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(old news - 09:32AM Friday Nov 10 2006)
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In the spring of 2004, Verizon told New Jersey that because their state Board of Public Utilities ruled they could only "moderately increase" the wholesale rates the telco charges its competitors, the state might not see Verizon Fios as punishment. At the time, Verizon stated "it is difficult to make a case to the corporation to invest here given the regulatory environment." The threat worked and the state ultimately decided to see things Verizon's way.

Via the "Fios on a stick" approach, Verizon also got the state to pass a law creating a state-wide cable franchise. As the AP notes, Verizon was the first company to apply for such a franchise late last week. According to the telco, Verizon has more than 1,000 technicians building the fiber network in New Jersey and expects to hire additional technicians in the coming months.

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TK Junk Mail
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Look forward to getting Fios in my area

However it was accomplished, if it gets Fios and Fios TV rolled out to my area, I'm all for it. It will be another welcome competitor to Comcast in NJ and will help keep prices in line as well as getting higher speeds available too.
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Daniel8802

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Awesome!

I say bring on the fios!

pnh102
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A First

NJ does something right? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

I hope other states see the merit in getting out of the way of progress as NJ has done. Given some time, there are going to be a lot of happy people with FIOS, as well as a lot of happy people with better quality cable service as a result of competing with FIOS.

Other states need to get with the program.
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Re: A First

How does verizon fios ondemand rate up to comcasts? Does anyone know? Also, what guide are they using?
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Re: A First

said by Daniel8802 See Profile :

How does verizon fios ondemand rate up to comcasts?
I have no idea dude... I cannot yet get FIOS
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Maryland's state legislators should observe what is happening in NJ.

But that would get in their way of gouging the people.
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Blackmail

Hurray! A win for corporate blackmail! Congrats Verizon...
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yock
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Re: Blackmail

said by ieolus See Profile :

Hurray! A win for corporate blackmail! Congrats Verizon...
It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people.
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zer0future

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Re: Blackmail

I really hope they get fios out soon in NJ, comcast is pretty decent but their prices are on the high side.

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yes, that's blackmail.
dogo88

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Old Bridge, NJ

Re: Blackmail

Wrong. It's called negotiating. If you want me to do something and I don't like the current status, I'll tell you what I want. If you don't want to do it, then get somebody else. Verizon does not have to offer fiber. Anybody else can come in and build their own network and sell access.

TKadlec

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·Verizon FIOS

Actually, it's not. Blackmail involves extorting money for the promise not to make injurious revelations or accusations. More like extortion, although that, too, is a stretch.

Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other.

ieolus
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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion

Fine, extortion it is.
dogo88

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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion

Wrong again. Extortion implies you really don't have any other choice. Like you said
"Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other."

They indicated what they wanted and the State responded.

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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion

it actually is more like blackmail than extortion or negotiating, so you were wrong to suggest that it wasn't.

Verizon/telco current positions are those of power. they are abusing it and this is yet another reason they should be stripped of owning the infrastructure.

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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion

said by morbo See Profile :

Verizon/telco current positions are those of power. they are abusing it and this is yet another reason they should be stripped of owning the infrastructure.
And then you don't get your FIOS.
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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion


hence, blackmail.
dogo88

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Exactly.
I continue to be amazed that there are folks here who continually equate big to terrible/overpriced/bad and small to good/friendly/good bargain.
Verizon has a product. You don't want to pay for it(or establish an environment where they want to participate), then go somewhere else. They built the infrastructure. And yeah, I know we gave it to them for free. (you can use that same argument for AIDS research and most every other large product). So, go out and build your own infrastructure, make sure it's good, available everywhere, cheaply priced and above all has excellent customer service. Otherwise we all here will complain about every thing we can find wrong about it.

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said by ieolus See Profile :

Fine, extortion it is.
Nope, its called a sound business model. Any company can come in and so the same thing. Unfortunately, all the CLEC's want to do is sit around and wait for the government to force Verizon to give them access. THAT is a terrible business model, and there is a reason why the 99% of the CLEC's went under.
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Re: Blackmail --> Extortion

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Nope, its called a sound business model. Any company can come in and so the same thing.
But not quite on the same basis. Read the law. There are special considerations given to ILECs.
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said by yock See Profile :

It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people.
At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another.

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yock
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Re: Blackmail

said by bmn See Profile :

said by yock See Profile :

It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people.
At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another.

America, best government money can buy.
Just whose public good are you referring to? Citizens will now have access to next generation communications technology, and if they perceive Verizon abusing their new state-wide franchise agreement with excessive rates, they can cancel their service.
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Re: Blackmail

said by yock See Profile :

At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another.

America, best government money can buy.
Just whose public good are you referring to? Citizens will now have access to next generation communications technology, and if they perceive Verizon abusing their new state-wide franchise agreement with excessive rates, they can cancel their service.
Access to a service is one good, however, there are losses that must be taken into account for that gain.

A large amount of locally generated content may be lost because localities can no longer negotiate with video providers. So government access and educational channels will suffer. Its a new type of media consolidation that will end up hurting the American public.

Sorry, but state franchise agreements are a step backwards. They eliminate the ability of rate payers and localities to enforce basic service minimums and keep these companies honest.

Sorry, but the free market fantasy world of needs to be kept in check by rational policy and oversight.
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Re: Blackmail

said by bmn See Profile :

A large amount of locally generated content may be lost because localities can no longer negotiate with video providers. So government access and educational channels will suffer. Its a new type of media consolidation that will end up hurting the American public.

Sorry, but state franchise agreements are a step backwards. They eliminate the ability of rate payers and localities to enforce basic service minimums and keep these companies honest.

Sorry, but the free market fantasy world of needs to be kept in check by rational policy and oversight.
Franchise agreements are decidedly *NOT* capitalist, in fact, you're preaching to the choir when you speak out against them to me. Business is a risk and no matter your size the government shouldn't make such guarantees to commercial entities.

The free market can work to a point. I agree that some consumer protection is necessary against monopolist or collusionary business practices. Problem is, franchising goes against this.
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Re: Blackmail

said by yock See Profile :

Franchise agreements are decidedly *NOT* capitalist, in fact, you're preaching to the choir when you speak out against them to me. Business is a risk and no matter your size the government shouldn't make such guarantees to commercial entities.
Then I think you've misread my post... I was commenting on the fact that NJ gave in and granted a statewide franchise agreement to Verizon. This gives Verizon carte blanche to say F*** You to the localities and their interests.

The free market can work to a point. I agree that some consumer protection is necessary against monopolist or collusionary business practices. Problem is, franchising goes against this.
Are you sure... Franchising merely grants companies the ability to operate in a given locality. Due to the nature of how MSOs and phone companies work, they are natural monopolies, the franchise agreements are structured to give consumer protections and establish minimum guidelines in order for those companies to operate. Also remember, franchise agreements can NO LONGER be exclusive, so there is no guarantee of success to the company, but there is a guarantee that the company will meet certain standards.

However, the weakening of franchise agreements, such as the case here, can strip the ability of consumers to be protected by companies like Verizon who have a history of waste, fraud and abuse of rate payer money.
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DaveNJ
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Well if Verizon is going to raise rates again, cable is still cheaper. So maybe Verizon will raise rates so high that no one can use them. Then competitors will just undercut Verizon all the way. hmm Wimax ?

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Similar traits of what happened in PA

Let us not forget how Verizon promised the Commonwealth to be wired through the state via DSL and fiber by 2009 (somewhere around there) but thanks to the PAPUC somehow botching the deal Verizon reaped the benefits of billions from taxpayers now not having to follow any kind of deadlines and go at the recreational pace they wish (aka cherry picking/red-lining). I'm simply keeping that fresh in everyone's minds hopefully NJ will not meet the same fate. How many more billions is it going to take Verizon? Obviously not enough! I don't have a gripe with the company just angered as a taxpayer of how the deal was managed and hard earned cash gone to waste (nothing new)!
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Re: Similar traits of what happened in PA


well said.

Verizon got billions: they were to wire the state.
PA got nothing in return.

viperpa33s
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Comparing NJ to PA, Verizon bit off more they could chew with PA. I use to live in PA and I knew they wouldn't be able to wire the state in that time frame. NJ would be much easier due to the dense population.

EnzonE

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Re: Similar traits of what happened in PA

Yes I agree with you on that; anytime I see Verizon wiring more states and more areas with FIOS I keep thinking hey we should be further up on the priority list making billions in down payments but as we all know they go where the bonus $ is at turning into sure-fire quick profitable results! Can I take one of those pastel-colored Verizon hummers around for a joy-ride across the Commonwealth? I'm sure the company wouldn't mind picking up my gas fueling tab!
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Jodokast96
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Deployment in NJ

Does anyone know if there are any guidelines they are following for deployment? Such as overhead lines first followed by underground, North vs. South, by county, etc.?

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Re: Deployment in NJ

Jodokast96,
I do not know their guidelines for rollout but one thing I have noticed is they have announced no new FIOS areas since early summer. I suspect they are trying to consolidate and finish the areas already started.

The press release that accompanied the TV franchise application said they plan to pass 70% of the NJ homes in 6 years.

Of course, being in a rural area, I am sure I am in the 30% group of homes.
Tim
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Should be great

I'll be sure to consider fios tv, currently have directv through verizon and loving it. But I'm not sure if verizon will allow me to keep my DTV discounts when they start to offer fios tv.

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Re: Should be great

I doubt you would be able to keep your Direct TV, Verizon is using Direct TV as a direct assult against cable, for those areas that did not have FiOs yet.

As for the Battle with New Jersey, Verizon would have put FiOs in New Jersey no matter what, Why? Because Verizons National Headquarters is there!
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