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| A First NJ does something right? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
I hope other states see the merit in getting out of the way of progress as NJ has done. Given some time, there are going to be a lot of happy people with FIOS, as well as a lot of happy people with better quality cable service as a result of competing with FIOS.
Other states need to get with the program. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2004-07-09 Sewell, NJ clubs: | Re: A First How does verizon fios ondemand rate up to comcasts? Does anyone know? Also, what guide are they using? -- My Blog | |
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| Re: A First said by Daniel8802 :How does verizon fios ondemand rate up to comcasts? I have no idea dude... I cannot yet get FIOS  -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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But that would get in their way of gouging the people. -- Have fun, enjoy. | |
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join:2001-06-19 Duluth, GA | Blackmail Hurray! A win for corporate blackmail! Congrats Verizon... -- "Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp | |
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| Re: Blackmail said by ieolus :Hurray! A win for corporate blackmail! Congrats Verizon... It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people. -- Wiki Wiki Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge | |
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join:2005-09-14 Jersey City, NJ | Re: Blackmail I really hope they get fios out soon in NJ, comcast is pretty decent but their prices are on the high side. | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | yes, that's blackmail. | |
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| Re: Blackmail Wrong. It's called negotiating. If you want me to do something and I don't like the current status, I'll tell you what I want. If you don't want to do it, then get somebody else. Verizon does not have to offer fiber. Anybody else can come in and build their own network and sell access. | |
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| Actually, it's not. Blackmail involves extorting money for the promise not to make injurious revelations or accusations. More like extortion, although that, too, is a stretch.
Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other. | |
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join:2001-06-19 Duluth, GA | Re: Blackmail --> Extortion Fine, extortion it is. | |
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| Re: Blackmail --> Extortion Wrong again. Extortion implies you really don't have any other choice. Like you said "Like it or not, Verizon is entitled to decide where and where not to provide FIOS service. They decided to disclose the reasons for not deploying the service. NJ was free to decide whether or not to respond. Neither party is under any obligation to the other."
They indicated what they wanted and the State responded. | |
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| Re: Blackmail --> Extortion said by morbo :Verizon/telco current positions are those of power. they are abusing it and this is yet another reason they should be stripped of owning the infrastructure. And then you don't get your FIOS. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: Blackmail --> Extortion hence, blackmail. | |
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| Exactly. I continue to be amazed that there are folks here who continually equate big to terrible/overpriced/bad and small to good/friendly/good bargain. Verizon has a product. You don't want to pay for it(or establish an environment where they want to participate), then go somewhere else. They built the infrastructure. And yeah, I know we gave it to them for free. (you can use that same argument for AIDS research and most every other large product). So, go out and build your own infrastructure, make sure it's good, available everywhere, cheaply priced and above all has excellent customer service. Otherwise we all here will complain about every thing we can find wrong about it. | |
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| Re: Blackmail --> Extortion said by wifi4milez :Nope, its called a sound business model. Any company can come in and so the same thing. But not quite on the same basis. Read the law. There are special considerations given to ILECs. | |
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| said by yock :It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people. At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another.
America, best government money can buy. -- Ann Coulter doesn't know jack about science... "Extremes to the right and left of any political dispute are always wrong." Dwight Eisenhower | |
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| Re: Blackmail said by bmn :said by yock :It isn't blackmail. Verizon told NJ that if they wanted something bad enough, they'd create an environment in which Verizon could flourish. Now Verizon is employing thousands of people in NJ and will be providing a valuable service to millions of people. At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another. America, best government money can buy. Just whose public good are you referring to? Citizens will now have access to next generation communications technology, and if they perceive Verizon abusing their new state-wide franchise agreement with excessive rates, they can cancel their service. -- Wiki Wiki Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge | |
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| Re: Blackmail said by yock :At the expense of the public good... Basically, government selling out the interests of one group to help another. America, best government money can buy. Just whose public good are you referring to? Citizens will now have access to next generation communications technology, and if they perceive Verizon abusing their new state-wide franchise agreement with excessive rates, they can cancel their service. Access to a service is one good, however, there are losses that must be taken into account for that gain.
A large amount of locally generated content may be lost because localities can no longer negotiate with video providers. So government access and educational channels will suffer. Its a new type of media consolidation that will end up hurting the American public.
Sorry, but state franchise agreements are a step backwards. They eliminate the ability of rate payers and localities to enforce basic service minimums and keep these companies honest.
Sorry, but the free market fantasy world of needs to be kept in check by rational policy and oversight. -- Prove it... | |
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| Re: Blackmail said by bmn :A large amount of locally generated content may be lost because localities can no longer negotiate with video providers. So government access and educational channels will suffer. Its a new type of media consolidation that will end up hurting the American public. Sorry, but state franchise agreements are a step backwards. They eliminate the ability of rate payers and localities to enforce basic service minimums and keep these companies honest. Sorry, but the free market fantasy world of needs to be kept in check by rational policy and oversight. Franchise agreements are decidedly *NOT* capitalist, in fact, you're preaching to the choir when you speak out against them to me. Business is a risk and no matter your size the government shouldn't make such guarantees to commercial entities.
The free market can work to a point. I agree that some consumer protection is necessary against monopolist or collusionary business practices. Problem is, franchising goes against this. -- Wiki Wiki Laughter is the closest distance between two people. --Victor Borge | |
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| Re: Blackmail said by yock :Franchise agreements are decidedly *NOT* capitalist, in fact, you're preaching to the choir when you speak out against them to me. Business is a risk and no matter your size the government shouldn't make such guarantees to commercial entities. Then I think you've misread my post... I was commenting on the fact that NJ gave in and granted a statewide franchise agreement to Verizon. This gives Verizon carte blanche to say F*** You to the localities and their interests.
The free market can work to a point. I agree that some consumer protection is necessary against monopolist or collusionary business practices. Problem is, franchising goes against this. Are you sure... Franchising merely grants companies the ability to operate in a given locality. Due to the nature of how MSOs and phone companies work, they are natural monopolies, the franchise agreements are structured to give consumer protections and establish minimum guidelines in order for those companies to operate. Also remember, franchise agreements can NO LONGER be exclusive, so there is no guarantee of success to the company, but there is a guarantee that the company will meet certain standards.
However, the weakening of franchise agreements, such as the case here, can strip the ability of consumers to be protected by companies like Verizon who have a history of waste, fraud and abuse of rate payer money. -- Prove it... | |
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join:1999-09-01 New Jersey | Well if Verizon is going to raise rates again, cable is still cheaper. So maybe Verizon will raise rates so high that no one can use them. Then competitors will just undercut Verizon all the way. hmm Wimax ? | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: Similar traits of what happened in PA well said.
Verizon got billions: they were to wire the state. PA got nothing in return. | |
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| Re: Similar traits of what happened in PA Yes I agree with you on that; anytime I see Verizon wiring more states and more areas with FIOS I keep thinking hey we should be further up on the priority list making billions in down payments but as we all know they go where the bonus $ is at turning into sure-fire quick profitable results! Can I take one of those pastel-colored Verizon hummers around for a joy-ride across the Commonwealth? I'm sure the company wouldn't mind picking up my gas fueling tab! -- NOW Comcast 6M/768k October 9 2006! Adelphia 4M/384k Activated September 20 2006. | |
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  Jodokast96 R.I.P Bassman442 Premium join:2005-11-23 Erial, NJ | Deployment in NJ Does anyone know if there are any guidelines they are following for deployment? Such as overhead lines first followed by underground, North vs. South, by county, etc.? | |
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| Re: Deployment in NJ Jodokast96, I do not know their guidelines for rollout but one thing I have noticed is they have announced no new FIOS areas since early summer. I suspect they are trying to consolidate and finish the areas already started.
The press release that accompanied the TV franchise application said they plan to pass 70% of the NJ homes in 6 years.
Of course, being in a rural area, I am sure I am in the 30% group of homes. Tim -- The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. | |
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  Rob A Jets AFC East Champs Premium join:2005-01-17 Pompton Plains, NJ | Should be great I'll be sure to consider fios tv, currently have directv through verizon and loving it. But I'm not sure if verizon will allow me to keep my DTV discounts when they start to offer fios tv. | |
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| Re: Should be great I doubt you would be able to keep your Direct TV, Verizon is using Direct TV as a direct assult against cable, for those areas that did not have FiOs yet.
As for the Battle with New Jersey, Verizon would have put FiOs in New Jersey no matter what, Why? Because Verizons National Headquarters is there! | |
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