China's Next Generation InternetStrategy part of five-year plan ( old news - 11:22AM Saturday Sep 23 2006) China plans on making the leap to IPv6 ahead of the rest of the world, in hopes of being the first to develop applications and services. The centerpiece of China's Next Generation Internet, the move has China "looking to leapfrog the U.S.," says Michael Gallagher, who was assistant secretary of commerce for communications and information. Meanwhile most US telcos seem unwilling to invest in the new infrastructure until there are applications that require it. That wait-and-see attitude may allow China to gain the advantage it seeks. "Over time IPv6 could revolutionize what we can do with the Internet," says David Powner, director of information technology management issues for the Government Accountability Office. "My concern is that we will get behind."
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| interesting a communist government initiative, built out and funded by the government. sure makes the Time Warners, Verizons etc look like pathetic Morse code supply side broadband providers.... "My concern is we will get behind" Who is he kidding? We already are..... | |
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| Re: interesting said by rit56  :a communist government initiative, built out and funded by the government. sure makes the Time Warners, Verizons etc look like pathetic Morse code supply side broadband providers.... "My concern is we will get behind" Who is he kidding? We already are..... Except that in China, you are guaranteed to disappear in a very efficient manner should you look at the "wrong" websites, or if you want to find out more about the 4 June 1989 Tienanmen Square Massacre than just tourist information.
As for China being "communist," it is now "communist" in name only. With the rise of somewhat private enterprise in that country, it is more of fascist dictatorship now than a communist regime. Not that it makes much of a difference when the government wants to kill you.
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| Re: interesting Be careful what you look at on that fancy new Internet in China, you might end up in one of these...
»www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006···an_x.htm
Quoted from the linked article...
"The country that executed more than four times as many convicts as the rest of the world combined last year.."
"Sixty-eight different crimes — more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling — are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling."
Ya know what, for all the bitching and moaning we do about such things as the Patriot act, electronic monitoring, and the like. I'll take my 3 MB DSL connection knowing I'm probably not going to take a ride in one of these puppies next time I screw up my taxes....
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| "Sixty-eight different crimes — more than half non-violent offenses such as tax evasion and drug smuggling — are punishable by death in China. That means the death vans are likely to keep rolling."
Sounds like a great idea, should do that here. | |
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| Re: interesting Is this really news? Except for leading in new Walmart openings (so as to bring in more imports from China) do we really "LEAD" at anything any more? Well anything "positive" and emerging? | |
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Camden, TN | Just to keep things in perspective. China executes about 1 out of every 382,000 of it's citizens. Texas( home of GW Bush ) executes 1 out of every 500,000. Not too much difference if you ask me. | |
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| Mobile execution van, between 15,000 and 18,000 a year are either lethally injected in the van, or bullet to the head in a park, where the person is put in a circle and executed. Then afterwards if the family wants to claim the body they have to pay the Chinese Govt. for the injection or the price of the bullet.
But man do they sure do have sum fast internet and all, see ya'll later got sum shopping to do, got to get to my Walmart store before it dun closes, wait whats the hurry they be open 24hrs now. | |
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| Re: interesting said by looser :Mobile execution van, between 15,000 and 18,000 a year are either lethally injected in the van, or bullet to the head in a park, where the person is put in a circle and executed. Then afterwards if the family wants to claim the body they have to pay the Chinese Govt. for the injection or the price of the bullet.But man do they sure do have sum fast internet and all, see ya'll later got sum shopping to do, got to get to my Walmart store before it dun closes, wait whats the hurry they be open 24hrs now. ... you have some fries supporting links to go along with that hamburger news piece ...
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| said by looser :Mobile execution van, between 15,000 and 18,000 a year are either lethally injected in the van, or bullet to the head in a park, where the person is put in a circle and executed. Then afterwards if the family wants to claim the body they have to pay the Chinese Govt. for the injection or the price of the bullet. But man do they sure do have sum fast internet and all, see ya'll later got sum shopping to do, got to get to my Walmart store before it dun closes, wait whats the hurry they be open 24hrs now. Sorry the number of executions in China is 3400 a year. | |
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| said by rit56 :a communist government initiative, built out and funded by the government. sure makes the Time Warners, Verizons etc look like pathetic Morse code supply side broadband providers.... "My concern is we will get behind" Who is he kidding? We already are..... yes, US in many ways far behind of China.
such as mobile tech, consumer tech.
you can see over 90% high tech product sold in US, MADE in China | |
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| This thread is starting to become funny with many amerikans trying to deny they are now living in the new third world of the west. No matter what all I can say, we will just need a few more years and we will become the new Superpower of the world.
In addition, regarding the so-called "communism" in our country do you think our leader is like the ones in N Korea? Nah... You are wrong... Try visiting China one of these days and witness for yourself how peaceful and beautiful China is. If we were to compare our leaders/president, the last time I check the leader of this “communist” country has yet to be call as a DEVIL like the leader of the “Free Country” not to mention in the middle of the United Nation general assembly! (We laugh so hard after reading this in the local newspaper)
And isn’t it ironic that a so-called “communist” country can achieve in less than 10 years what the good ol “free country” America achieved in like 50 years? Compare our economy, technology advancements and military capability with the US right now… China has a much more stable economy, (not to mention countless numbers of American companies investing or trying to get in China everyday) has a higher level of IT expertise and computer programmers here in China. Not to mention 80% of all American computer companies are now here in China. Don’t you believe me? Go to your local computer hardware dealer and check how many parts have the label “Made/Assembled in China” Oh one more thing. We can get all the high-end computer stuffs for half the price here in China. (Try visiting the night market of Hong Kong one of these days) Now to the military capabilities… Speaking of *“Nukleeyar”- G.W.Bush* weapons do you know we just laugh at your president every time he goes on TV talking about he threat of “nuclear weapons” affects the homeland security of your country? I think the military intelligence of US isn’t intelligent enough, yes I have to admit that North Korea has nuclear weapons however to have a nuclear threat to other countries they MUST HAVE the capability to launch the nuclear device and detonating it in another country. Nevertheless, the last time I checked, their missiles could not even get off the coast of Japan without crashing to the sea. Not to mention the nearest US soil Hawaii/ Alaska is like thousands of miles away… How can this be a DIRECT threat to US? Threat to allies yeah that could be but still it will not directly affect the US whatsoever. (Now I wonder what the excuse of bush is if ever he will order his army to invade NKorea… I don’t think there is OIL there for them to steal eh? Oh Ahah! Now I know! They want to build a new military base the eastern region so that can control Asia! LOL! )
In addition, just to let you know North Korea only as like 1/100th of the nuclear arsenal here in China. China has more active ICBM (Intercontinental ballistic missiles) sitting in silos strategically placed around the mountains of china and has the capability to launch a first strike and also retaliation strikes that could even reach the east coast of United states. Now why doesn’t your president try calling our country a “threat” to United States? I am sure CIA, FBI and everyone knows that China is in the fourth of fifth place of countries with active nuclear weapons. Maybe bush is still smart enough to know that amongst all country that he can dictate and order his army to invade, China is NOT one of them. Because he knows that, his army is no match against the huge numbers of military personnel here in China not to include the enormous number of civilians that will die to defend mother china. And I am sure that he is not stupid enough to touch the number one military ally of Russia. I wonder what will be left of the US if the most powerful nuclear weapon in Russia combined with the pin pinpoint accuracy of China’s ICBMs of it hit one of the major cities of US. Haha! Anyways enough of this… See you all in the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing China! | |
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| Re: China Next SuperPower! BhuddaBlessU, I know it may seem like China is rising, but they are going to have to do something MAJOR about their pollution. By pollution, I mean AIR POLLUTION. There is so much coal burning in that country, that we won't have to worry about a war, because everyone will get sick and die from all the smog. The pollution is so bad, it is considered one of the worlds largest greenhouse gas emitters. The simple fact remains, if America needed to do something to China in the case of war, it would be another Hiroshima. We still have many things that are stealth to their Army. Sorry brother, but guess who SOLD China the transistor, thats right, we "amerikans" did because we invented it. You'd still be using your Abicus today if it wasn't for us. President Bush is a crappy example of why politics go wrong. I dare you to compare China's leader to, say, umm, Bill Clinton. Or how about Regan. Sorry bro, but China will NOT be a place I would visit, especially considering what the death penalty is more common than, say, a ranting post like yours and mine...
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| Re: China Next SuperPower! I used to hang out on the English language People'sDaily website. You'd be amazed how many Chinese nationals are like this. China is a country that does a great job of copying and claiming inovation. Every couple weeks they're touting some new discovery that proves they did everything first (Soccer, discovery of North America, etc). When their pilot crashed into our EP-3 in international airspace they went nuts.
If you get a chance and want to cry from the stuidity, read any Xinhua publication. According to them the death penalty in America is used almost exclusively on black people among other wonderful interesting claims. | |
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| Re: China Next SuperPower! said by bogey780 :... China is a country that does a great job of copying ... .
... they are great in copying ... may be it has something to do with paper ...
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| Re: China Next SuperPower! said by bogey780 :I'm not saying they didn't invent things. They just gave it up a long time ago and collapsed inward. ... throughout the history civilizations have gone through cycles of upward and downward movements with stagnation in between (some perishing completely in the process) ...
... if they seems to be going through another cycle of upward movement, their effort should be appreciated rather than looked down upon ... I'll clap for their effort ...
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| This thread is starting to become funny with many amerikans trying to deny they are now living in the new third world of the west. No matter what all I can say, we will just need a few more years and we will become the new Superpower of the world.
In addition, regarding the so-called \\\"communism\\\" in our country do you think our leader is like the ones in N Korea? Nah... You are wrong... Try visiting China one of these days and witness for yourself how peaceful and beautiful China is. If we were to compare our leaders/president, the last time I check the leader of this “communist” country has yet to be call as a DEVIL like the leader of the “Free Country” not to mention in the middle of the United Nation general assembly! (We laugh so hard after reading this in the local newspaper)
And isn’t it ironic that a so-called “communist” country can achieve in less than 10 years what the good ol “free country” America achieved in like 50 years? Compare our economy, technology advancements and military capability with the US right now… China has a much more stable economy, (not to mention countless numbers of American companies investing or trying to get in China everyday) has a higher level of IT expertise and computer programmers here in China. Not to mention 80% of all American computer companies are now here in China. Don’t you believe me? Go to your local computer hardware dealer and check how many parts have the label “Made/Assembled in China” Oh one more thing. We can get all the high-end computer stuffs for half the price here in China. (Try visiting the night market of Hong Kong one of these days) Now to the military capabilities… Speaking of *“Nukleeyar”- G.W.Bush* weapons do you know we just laugh at your president every time he goes on TV talking about he threat of “nuclear weapons” affects the homeland security of your country? I think the military intelligence of US isn’t intelligent enough, yes I have to admit that North Korea has nuclear weapons however to have a nuclear threat to other countries they MUST HAVE the capability to launch the nuclear device and detonating it in another country. Nevertheless, the last time I checked, their missiles could not even get off the coast of Japan without crashing to the sea. Not to mention the nearest US soil Hawaii/ Alaska is like thousands of miles away… How can this be a DIRECT threat to US? Threat to allies yeah that could be but still it will not directly affect the US whatsoever. (Now I wonder what the excuse of bush is if ever he will order his army to invade NKorea… I don’t think there is OIL there for them to steal eh? Oh Ahah! Now I know! They want to build a new military base the eastern region so that can control Asia! LOL! )
In addition, just to let you know North Korea only as like 1/100th of the nuclear arsenal here in China. China has more active ICBM (Intercontinental ballistic missiles) sitting in silos strategically placed around the mountains of china and has the capability to launch a first strike and also retaliation strikes that could even reach the east coast of United states. Now why doesn’t your president try calling our country a “threat” to United States? I am sure CIA, FBI and everyone knows that China is in the fourth of fifth place of countries with active nuclear weapons. Maybe bush is still smart enough to know that amongst all country that he can dictate and order his army to invade, China is NOT one of them. Because he knows that, his army is no match against the huge numbers of military personnel here in China not to include the enormous number of civilians that will die to defend mother china. And I am sure that he is not stupid enough to touch the number one military ally of Russia. I wonder what will be left of the US if the most powerful nuclear weapon in Russia combined with the pin pinpoint accuracy of China’s ICBMs of it hit one of the major cities of US. Haha! Anyways enough of this… See you all in the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing China! | |
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| "My concern is that we will get behind." Uhm... ever look out the window pal?
The U.S. is already behind.
Want to know why? Greed! 
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Bethel Park, PA | Re: "My concern is that we will get behind." $5 is probably outrageous to some consumers on this site I've seen. Heck, they would want it for free, deployed by Google, and 1000 Megabit symmetrical over Wimax!
And its sad that that sarcasm almost sounds plausable... | |
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| Re: Hmm. Look on the good side. US companies are competing heavily in the expanding Chinese market. Even though china may not be for free trade and competition we may now be able to compete with them and push out IPv6 along in our own country. On a second note will they be able to form new standards they we ALL will have to adhere to in they beat us in the IPv6 race? (sounds like the race to the moon).
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| said by GoodyearMark :Great, China will now be able to restrict access to even more things with this new expansion of their "internet". Thank you for making a, like ya know, on-topic post rather than adding to the frightful pile of drivel this thread has become.
Civil liberties infringement made possible by IPv6 implementations is not an area I know much about. Hopefully someone can flesh-out a question for me.
Is it not possible for an IPv6 network admin to enforce encryption upon all traffic and remain the sole keeper of keys? I also seem to recall end-user controlled encryption can be excluded from travel but I cannot see how that could be enforced. Also, I think keys can be replaced network-wide almost instantly. Can someone with more knowledge verify or refute my recollections? I tried to find where did my IPv6 reading (about this time last year) but couldn't. At the time claims of RSA telco snooping installations at major switching stations was in the news and I was contemplating how the US government might try to influence the roll-out of IPv6.
The less techy and oft cited other privacy issue is ability to permanently assign addresses to every building, essentially making end-to-end traffic logging a high-certainty snap.
Quick Googling indicates there is some debate about how starved China really is for address space. I think the US has ~30% of global IPv4 allocation [?] so it's not hard to believe China is strapped for, or at least rightfully concerned about exhausting, address space. Nested NAT gets messy.
By the looks of things just about all of the so-called 'developed world' except North America has requested & received IPv6 address blocks. Note that several countries have received IPv6 allocations from multiple registries, making comparison a chore. I looked for a geo map of allocations but couldn't find one.
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List of residential and/or business connection providers selling IPv6: »www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native. None are in the US. I don't know how comprehensive this list is but anyone can submit provider info. | |
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| Official US sucks thread OK boys and girls, this thread is for all those who want to say the US sucks because the US government is not funding broadband penetration, IPv6(which is not really needed anyways but that's just a minor detail) or you are pissed because companies are too greedy and your sorry ass can't get into those greedy companies thereby losing you money. So have it, we all know the US sucks and it ain't worth a crap. Here is your chance to show just how bad it is.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by 72276539 :OK boys and girls, this thread is for all those who want to say the US sucks because the US government is not funding broadband penetration Maybe it would just be cheaper for the US government to buy the complainers one-way tickets to China instead 
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| Re: Official US sucks thread Well you have to admit that is at least ONE good thing about a communist country, when they want something done its sweeping changes.
Have to face up to the facts, more and more people adopt other countries ways to do things than use the USA as a model like the old days.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by markopoleo :Well you have to admit that is at least ONE good thing about a communist country, when they want something done its sweeping changes. Never. There is nothing good about communism, socialism, fascism, or any other philosophy which denies personal freedoms. There is nothing good about any communist country and the world is better off now that communism is nearly gone.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by pnh102 :Never. There is nothing good about communism, socialism, fascism, or any other philosophy which denies personal freedoms. Including our current regieme? LOL. While it may not be as far to the extreme as many nations, I think it's still off track.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by KrK :Including our current regieme? LOL. While it may not be as far to the extreme as many nations, I think it's still off track. Whatever. Had you posted something like that about the Chinese government in China, you'd probably have disappeared by now.
This administration has curbed no freedoms from any American. People are just as free now to say the government sucks as they always have been.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by pnh102 :This administration has curbed no freedoms from any American. Really. Ok. Insert head back into sand and go to sleep. | |
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West Bloomfield, MI | This administration has curbed no freedoms from any American.
My favorite quote from D&D movie bad henchman says:
"YOU MUST BE JOCKING"
I swear You must be... | |
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| Re: Official US sucks thread said by mcmillan :My favorite quote from D&D movie bad henchman says: "YOU MUST BE JOCKING" I swear You must be... D&D Movie?
Jocking?
Dude... I don't even know where to begin to respond to that one!
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| There is good things about communism. If deny personal freedoms your only problem, every country does that to some extent. Yes even the USA does this.
Take Cuba and the USA for example, they both block outright radio and TV signals coming from each respective countries.
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| Re: Official US sucks thread What freedoms? There are so many laws you can't walk down the street probably without violating ten or so. | |
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Yeah like killing 8 million people..
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| Re: Official US sucks thread "There is good things about communism. If deny personal freedoms your only problem, every country does that to some extent. Yes even the USA does this."
Actually, from what I've seen, the people in china are not all that repressed, especially in the cities. Lots of young people with money to spend on western type goodies.
The laws are draconian, yes, but the difference is that they GET ENFORCED when necessary
"What freedoms? There are so many laws you can't walk down the street probably without violating ten or so."
While I would think this is a bit of a stretch, they DO have lots of "gotcha" laws they can dredge up and use against you when they need a justification to screw you around. The only real difference is that the chinese authorities are much more up front about it.
That being said, the very fact that one can sit on this globally available website and bitch and moan, as well as call ones "leaders" names, cast aspersions, make baseless/unprovable charges, etc, should serve to tell you in no uncertain terms how free one REALLY is in the United States. Try doing that stuff overseas and see how quick you end up in a hell hole. ESPECIALLY since the U S government you criticize will protect your right to do so.
"Actually about $20 billion from those spectrum auctions our government holds would be enough to jump-start a real broadband initiative in the U.S. Like physical highways it's called infrastructure and it is important to the national economy."
Yes, it would go far towards building infrastructure. Trouble is, you'd have to give it to the telcos, AT&T, the cable companies and so called "backbone providers" like Level 3. And we know what would happen to all that money with them, dont we?
We CERTAINLY dont want the government getting in the act, because they would want those control strings attached and we know where THAT leads too, dont we?
As far as personal freedom:
We are the most personally free society on the planet, bar none. The problem seems to be that we have gotten to the point that we take that freedom so much for granted that we think we can do any damned thing we want to do personally and hell with anyone else.
(The chinese, on the other hand, use the assumption that if the accused LOOKS like a dope dealer, ACTS like a dope dealer and, was CAUGHT dealing dope, then the accused IS a dope dealer, unless he/she can prove otherwise. Then they send you to prison or shoot you. No wiggling on the hook with lawyers. It obviously works, just look at their crime level and the safety of their citizens.)
This is the premise our legal system seems to operate on in it's zeal to provide "due process" and protection against government excesses. It's a double edged sword.
On one edge, it has been shown time and time again (all the people being released now as innocent on DNA evidence after decades in prison) that the government WILL take the path of least resistance and exert it's power on some hapless accused to gain an easy conviction. Such as in china where you are guilty untill proven innocent-IF, that is, you even get the chance.
On the other edge, criminals have far to many ways to wiggle endlessly on the hook courtesy of unscrupulous lawyers, appeals, etc. Many of which wouldn't happen if prosecutors didn't try for an easy conviction instead of doing their job properly. The previous excesses of the government are why criminals get off easy nowadays.
Precedents, it seems, can work both ways and with unforseen results and consequences.
The bottom line is that with freedom comes responsibility for ones actions, as well as a responsibility to society as a whole. Dont do the crime if you cant do the time and so on. And, dont make false accusations about things you cant prove.
The sword cuts both ways: You wouldn't want to be falsly accused, so dont falsely accuse others. You wouldn't want to be lied to, so dont lie. That kind of thing
The kind of things personal dignity, honor and reputation are built of. | |
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| I disagree that IPv6 is not needed - we're running out of IPs. IPv6 would permit more growth on a worldwide scale.
I concur with the greed of the companies - unfortunately that's the general rule for the capitalist model: charge what the traffic will bear without attracting the attention of a Congressional Committee (should anyone on one happen to be awake).
Problem with comparing what's going on here in the U.S. and such benchmark countries as Japan and Korea is first of all one of size and numbers. It's easier (and cheaper) to cover an area the size of either of those with serious broadband than to cover the U.S. - as spread out as it is, especially when you consider Alaska and Hawaii along with 15 territories.
Here's some numbers:
Japan: area - 144,689 sq mi (374,744 sq km)
Population (2006 est): 127,463,611
1/26 the size of the U.S.
Korea: area - 37,911 sq mi (98,189 sq km)
Population (2006 est): 48,846,823
1/100 the size of the U.S.
China: 3,705,407 sq mi (9,596,960 sq km)
Population: (2006 est) 1,313,973,713
(an estimated increase of 200M since 2001!)
on this scale, virtually the same size as the U.S. but with fewer problems such as being geographically separated from significant portions of itself.
United States 3,794,083 sq mi (9,826,675 sq km)
spread over 50 states and 15 territories.
Population (2006 est) 298,444,215
Alaska alone has 663,267 sq miles of area, Texas: 268,581, California at 163,696 is still larger than either Japan or Korea!
Yes, it's nice when the government, or any central authority, can dictate (hmmmm) the means of communications that will be used and put the full weight of their pocketbook behind the effort, do we really want our tax dollars heavily weighted toward broadband expansion? Help, yes. Sole provider of the cost, no thanks, my taxes are high enough anyhow. Diversity also breeds choice - what if that central authority makes the 'wrong choice' for a way of doing something? Then you're pretty much stuck with it.
But I agree that we really need to work harder to expand broadband faster. It has, perhaps faster than any other communication advance before it, moved into the mainstream of almost everyone's life, become a tool that business and the economy relies on heavily and if the damned spammers would just get the hell out of the way, has enough bandwidth to provide many more benefits in areas like education and cultural information exchange.
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| Depends on what the average American knows about China....
Does this Look Totally :"Communist"? |
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| Re: Depends on what the average American knows about China.... Beautiful Shanghai skyline, probably one of the most modern cities in the entire world.
P.S. Corrupt capitalism, corrupt communism, it makes no difference to me, all the governments in the world are f'ing corrupt. There is no "better or worse" to me, just right or wrong. It's as simple as that.
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Majestik
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| I agree. I does depend on what the american press tell you.
I will be visiting Shanghai next spring and staying with a retired couple from the U.S..
My friends live in a victorian structure that reminds me the buildings in Richmond, Virginia along monument avenue.
They have CATV and internet.....2 bed chambers / living room / dining-room / kitchen / bathroom / storeroom / laundry-room / huge balcony / 3 airconditioners / refrigerator / washing-dryer / microwave oven ...internal security system and 24 hours guards.....
And traditional market in the neighborhood for fresh produce,meats,etc..(wife is retired chef)
They are in the Xinzhuang Area, Minhang District.
I think they pay around $12-15k/yr. total including taxes and property management fee.
So they are living a pretty good life there.
A lot cheaper.
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New Milford, CT | Very enlightening post and interesting links.
The question that begs to be asked is what kind of people can afford these homes in China? | |
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| Internet Pearl Harbor There have been several technology Pearl Harbor's in our time....
- Sputnik
- 1973 Energy Crisis
Just to name a couple.....
But we responded in a competitive fashion once it was discovered.
- Man on the Moon
- Fuel price deregulation
I don't think its a flaw of the US to take a wait and see on IPv6, its just human nature to wait when the benefit isn't obvious.
Perhaps the Chinese will discover a use we can't seem to fathom. I think they like it for the amount of control and management it provides. | |
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| Third world nation By 2050 rest of the world will realize the US is just a third world nation. Our politicians will deny it of course, maybe our media too. We'll be a footnote in textbooks of Chinese and India school children, while ours will be laboring in the fields for something to eat for that day. There is no need to invest in any infrastructure of the future when there will be no need for it. We are already seeing the consequences of the principles open market economy, capitalistic system; why invest in something where there is no return? | |
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odreian615
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| IPv6 for those that dont know like me »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
China is not the only one looking at doing this but the Asian broadband kings SK and Japan also | |
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