Senate Commerce Committee Now a Telco/Cable PR Firm Push polls, misleading net-neutrality astroturf-flyers.... (old news - 10:32PM Tuesday Sep 19 2006)
Editorial: "A new bipartisan poll released today finds that an overwhelming majority of American voters favor video choice over onerous "Net Neutrality" regulations," states a press release by the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. While bi-partisan it may be, honest it is not. The Verizon funded survey (pdf), conducted by Glover Park Group (traditionally Democratic) and Public Opinion Strategies (traditionally Republican) questioned 800 registered voters on their thoughts on network neutrality. The survey in question uses a tactic known as "push polling", which presents questions phrased in such a way as to elicit one particular answer. This is the question asked used to support the committee's assertion of public opposition to net-neutrality laws: Which of the following two items do you think is the most important to you: Delivering the benefits of new TV and video choice so consumers will see increased competition and lower prices for cable TV, or enhancing Internet neutrality by barring high speed internet providers from offering specialized services like faster speed and increased security for a fee? In this case the second option suggests that there is a push to prohibit ISPs from selling faster broadband speeds, a dishonest talking point we've seen used by incumbent PR gurus in multiple editorials. While push polling is a frequent tactic in corporate PR and political-campaign smear attempts, we should not see the same tactics originating from what's supposed to be an objective Senate committee, tasked with intelligently navigating tough questions in the field of technology law. This is the second time in as many weeks we've observed this committee engaging in public relations warfare at the behest of the cable and phone giants. They've also been circulating a promotional flyer to "educate" voters on their Senate Communications Act of 2006. Note the flyer only contains links to editorials against net-neutrality laws, many of which contain misleading arguments designed by incumbent marketing departments. Regardless of party affiliation or your position on net-neutrality regulation, at the forefront of technology law debates should lay the desire for an honest discussion. The U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation has clearly decided to abandon such honest discourse and is now officially a bi-partisan public relation mouthpiece for the incumbent telecom providers.
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| Good Job Karl Excellent Editorial Karl. I think you did an excellent job discussing why this is wrong, regardless of if you are pro or con the various issues.
One thing I think we do too much of is bitch about our politicians, and not let them know. E-mail or call your Senators office! Let them know what you think about this!
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|  |  chemaupr
join:2005-06-06 Alexandria, VA | Re: Good Job Karl Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel.
Use the word constituency the seem to love it,,,  | |
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| Re: Good Job Karl said by chemaupr :Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel. Now that is something that can work, if you get enough people to care and then act. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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| Re: Good Job Karl said by TK Junk Mail :said by chemaupr :Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel. Now that is something that can work, if you get enough people to care and then act. Somewhat off topic...
I am somewhat active in local politics. I have to tell you, that phone calls and stuff like really do work. Senators and Reps are so used to getting calls from the same people over and over, that when a new REAL (ie not an activist or lobbyist type) person calls it gets more attention than you would think. I have heard some staffers make the comment that 1% of callers make up 90% of the volume.
I am a very jaded individual when it comes to politics mind you. Just adding my 2cents about calls. -- Jesus wears a bracelet with the letters WWSCD on it. So he never forgets to ask himself.. What would Supreme Captain Do? | |
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| Devil's Advocate Maybe those polled did not understand it (Net Neutrality) in the first place? Stevens, a relic and an idiot, certainly doesn't calling the Net a "series of tubes."
I do think everything about quicker deployment should be allowed. If states want to stall progress to protect this and that, maybe some framework should be designed for disputes. QOS is never going to work anyway. New Technologies will kill it. | |
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| Re: Good Job Karl Yes.. good job. And, to add.. push polling is done more than not these days. There's been much debate over the validity of polls and surveys, etc.
A poll is only as good as the organization conducting them and the questions asked.
Penn & Teller's BullShit program did an episode on pollsters last season. I forget who it was, but one of the major and well respected polsters in this country, pews? Can't remember, admitted to push polling to achieve the results their clients wanted.
This is why I do not pay attention to polls. Really, there is no real need to poll in masses. Really, there are consumer friendly ways to do business and still make money. These yahoos just need to stop listening to their marketing staffers and do the right thing.
There's something to be said about building the better mouse trap.. (ie: product)... if you build it, they WILL come. If you manipulate people, they will run. -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one. | |
|  |   sonofjay Mission Accomplished - Bush May 1, 2003 Premium,MVM join:2001-05-14 North Attleboro, MA | AGREED! Nice work Karl!
Unbelievable and complete utter nonsense that this goes on and no one is held accountable. -- Mission Accomplished | |
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| said by SupCap :Excellent Editorial Karl. I think you did an excellent job discussing why this is wrong, regardless of if you are pro or con the various issues. One thing I think we do too much of is bitch about our politicians, and not let them know. E-mail or call your Senators office! Let them know what you think about this! » www.senate.gov/general/contact_i···_cfm.cfm Better yet make sure to let them know when you call that this is the type of behaviour that is going to cause you to vote them out of office in just a few days. We will not change this until we change the power of control in this body. | |
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| The shock! What is this? Politicians being shady? What has the world come to!
I've pretty much lost faith in our elected representatives at this point, so news like this comes to me as no surprise. Sad really, since the Senate is frequently cited for its great debates. -- I subscribe to the theory of intellectual osmosis. Unfortunately, I must now cease our conversation and move away from you before my intelligence begins to drop. Good day. | |
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| Re: The shock! Some portions of this poll do not go together.. e.g. 'Higher quality programming, such as high definition television and video on demand'. Higer quality programming may mean to some less Jerry Springer, and more PBS. Programming != video on demand or HDTV.
'Create a "Consumer bill of rights" that guarantees full access to legal content on the Internet and prohibits blocking degrading, altering, modifying or altering the data that consumers send or receive over the Internet.' I'd like to see the outcome of this.. I expect that providers will sell 2 different products. One as an Internet like service for cheap, with bells, whistles, proxies, etc. and one that's a bare boned, somewhat pricey Internet service where everything is a-la-carte.
Also, according to the poll, 91:7 haven't heard of net-neutrality  | |
|  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase Precisely. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached. Through misinformation and FUD. Stevens knows that a number of Democrats are adamant about keeping his bill from passing before the end of the year and the 109th Congress comes to a close. So he's using every tactic in the book to get the 60 votes he needs to defeat a filibuster. Even if some are dishonest like these survey results. | |
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| Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase said by Zoder :said by TK Junk Mail :And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached. Through misinformation and FUD. Stevens knows that a number of Democrats are adamant about keeping his bill from passing before the end of the year and the 109th Congress comes to a close. So he's using every tactic in the book to get the 60 votes he needs to defeat a filibuster. Even if some are dishonest like these survey results. And this comes as a surprise? That is what politicians do. They do anything that is LEGAL (and sometimes what is barely legal) to win. Politics isn't a game for the squeamish and ethics has very little to do with it. It has always been such, back to the days of the Ancient Romans and Greeks. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL | Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase No I'm not surprised. But I'd like to see the other side in the Senate call him out on it. | |
|  |  |  |  grandpinaple
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| And you think this is acceptable? Really what is Karl supposed to do sit down and accept the ass fucking? It's called civic engagement whether it be through the media (such as DSLR a decent tech news website) or actual protest. Either way it is the way legal change in this country has occured for the past two hundred years. It doesn't come as a surprise, it comes as part of a laundry list of grievances that the netizens of this country have. The fact that they are using this to build support for a possible corrupt position is the issue not a question of the fact that they are building support through pr campaigns. I don't support net neutrality, but that isn't the question the question is the masking effect the senate is trying to achieve by looking like they are pro consumer. | |
|  |   cob_ 1310nm Of Goodness Premium join:2003-07-08 Tulsa, OK | Sadly, you're right.
Money will always trump public interest. | |
|  Zoder
join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL | Poll funded by Verizon According to the press release issued by the Senate Committee, the poll was fund by Verizon.
It's the 2nd to last line in the link Karl provided. | |
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| Poll question is bias This proves to me one thing that transcends net neutrality, that polls are easily manipulated to favor one side or the other. The phrasing of the two choices that are presented is simply shocking. I will never accept a poll at face value until I read the actual question presented in the poll. | |
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| You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Giving the NSA the keys to your information was not done because the government asked for them. It was let's make a deal. The people wanted hustle a buck, deregulated companies building and running the nation's network. The people elected Bush TWICE. The people got what they wanted and yet the people weep. | |
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| Oh, the people will weep.... Oh, OK, I'll stop thinking now.
Yeah, let's subject the big bad baby bells (ok they suck, but you're not forced to use them, now are you thanks to those little things called deregulation and the free market via Telecom act of 1996) to the same sort of b.s. that made the cable industry so much fun: Local monopolies negotiated by local politicos without an iota of oversight compared to what happens on a national level.
Everybody knows that Net neutrality is a Good Thing (tm) because Vinton Cerf and the EFF said so, and they both have vast experience in the legislative process (Not). Yeah, what a great idea it would be if we could get a technology challenged Congress and FCC to tell verizon that they must not charge google more for bandwidth (like Google would take that lying down) or charge individuals to access Google, or otherwise block Google. ("What was that giant sucking sound, and where did our customers go?) Even if Verizon was that stupid, it would be nothing more than an even faster path to irrelevancy. Boo hoo indeed.
And you think Congress and the FCC would stop there why? How about setting rates for DSL at the 2006 "bargain rate" of $50, and forbidding the $15/month plans as "predatory pricing"? How about forcing cable companies to support 911 access with all VOIP plans or suspend operations. "Fairness " can be interpreted so many different ways, can't it? | |
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