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Can you do Blu?
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Hercules, CA | Like all the rest... ... it'll last about a week. LMAO! | |
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guitarzan
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1 edit | Re: Like all the rest... I doubt bullshit like this applied in such a way, will even see the light of day. If it does, a sample needs to be submitted to AV companies to detect a viral infection or Trojan before it spreads.
That is of course assuming one would purchase it other than to defeat it and beat it. 
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| Its not about working or not working.
ITS ABOUT selling it to idiot bean counter
industry execs, first you have to convince them
that the last failure they had was not their fault.
IT WAS PIRATES!!!!
then sell them on any protection that can't be broken
and will make them a billion.
And its only 2 million, so look at all the money you
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who cares if it doesn't really do anything they will be
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Maxo
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| said by dadkins  :... it'll last about a week. LMAO! My first thought. This device also assumes that you are ripping the data to share it. I have all my CD's ripped to my computer so I can listen to a big playlist of all my music. But I'm not sharing any of it.
Instead of ripping my videos I usually just download them. This allows my kids to watch Dora and SpongeBob on their computer in their bedroom or in the living room by grabbing it off the LAN. It let's me get some cleaning done.
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jpark
join:2005-02-05
Jackson, TN | Lets go all the way. Why don't we just market DVDs that are totally unusable. Perhaps fold them in half, or some such.
At some point, if DRM intrusions continue to increase, the industry will find that they no longer have any market at all. | |
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gomer1701ems
join:2001-08-23
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: Lets go all the way. They already did. Crap, I can't find the article, but the newest Blu-Ray (ok, it's not a DVD, but close) players won't play the discs. If I remember correctly, they're waiting for some updated DRM.
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Kilroy
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| Any lock that can be open... Can be picked.
Closely followed by you can't secure a standard after the fact.
When are the companies going to figure out that DRM only hurts the legitimate purchasers? Those who are going to steal their products will find a way around their protections.
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join:2003-09-27
Naperville, IL
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| Re: Any lock that can be open... said by Kilroy :When are the companies going to figure out that DRM only hurts the legitimate purchasers? Those who are going to steal their products will find a way around their protections. That's the general idea. Those who can will circumvent protection. Those who can't (many of whom are legitimate users) will have to buy one CD, one copy from iTunes for iPod player and one copy from microsoft for janus DRM'ed devices. Brilliant. | |
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and Inga
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clubs: | That possible reality, however, is that no one will ever buy a DVD again. | |
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Anonymous
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2 edits | mod chip will do the job i will just get an MOD chip
an solder less Anti Piracy MOD chip that crashes the Anti-Piracy chip | |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
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Staten Island, NY
1 edit | Do you hear what you're saying? quote:
The companies will market DVDs embedded with radio transmitter chips to allow tracking
This sounds like a cheesy sci-fi movie. The idea of this ever becoming a reality is scary. Not for the sake of ripping DVDs - there is the world of movies on TV, and HDTV releases would become more popular.
The idea of tracking chips put into purchased movies makes that guy who had a tin foil hat on 20 years ago credible.
It's not the idea that people would come up with this idea that's scary, persay. Rather, that people would adopt it and live with it. If people actually buy DVDs with this crap on them, I'll lose faith in mankind.
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| Re: Do you hear what you're saying? "Hello. You are Mr. Johnson, are you not?"
"Yes I am, who are you?"
"I'm with the MPAA, Mr. Johnson. I see you have a DVD there."
"Uh, yeah, I traded another movie with my friend for this one. I-"
"Your DVD player alerted us that you are not the licensed and registered owner of this DVD, Mr. Johnson. Did you pay the License Transfer fee as stipulated in the Playback Agreement?"
"It was an even trade, I didn't make any profit off of-"
"That's quite enough, Mr. Johnson. You'll need to come with me."
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Do you hear what you're saying? LOL.
Think of the movie Brazil, where the "Retrieval Squad" comes crashing in thru the roof and the doors and "retrieves" Mr. Buttle.
That'd be more like their tactics.
Oh, and probably the same result. | |
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| nguyen27
join:2003-05-14
Quincy, MA | Re: Another one bites the dust.... Lol, I think I better start stocking up DVD Player, will sell them for thounsand dollars a player when this technology become standard on all DVD Players  | |
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| Re: Another one bites the dust.... said by nguyen27 :Lol, I think I better start stocking up DVD Player, will sell them for thounsand dollars a player when this technology become standard on all DVD Players Why? The new DVD players and drives will still have to be able to read old pre-RFID DVDs. The only thing that will be needed is for something to fry the chip in the newer DVDs. I'll bet 2 secs in a microwave would do it, without harming the actual DVD.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: Another one bites the dust....
RFID is not a "transmitter chip". If you look at the current RFID tags, they are small helical antennas that pick up (and, are powered by) a RF field emitted by the device reading them. In other words: A transponder.
Therrefore, a system would have to be imbedded in the electronics of the player to utilize them, which would jack up the price of the player, never mind the complexity, especially if you consider the music industry would want to get in on this scheme too, if it was sucessfull.
Considering how cheap players are today, consumers would not like this a bit. Nor would they like the higher cost of such DVD's.
The same old DRM flaw STILL would exist: SOONER OR LATER THE DATA HAS TO BE CONVERTED TO REGULAR ANALOG VIDEO AND AUDIO. Therefore, it can be picked off and re recorded without the DRM. And, once such a file is made, it is easy to share/distribute, etc.
Never mind that the embedded transponder in the disk would be vulnerable to the same deactivator pad used at checkout to prevent it from setting off the store alarm at the door.
Also, the embedded sensor in the player would be vulnerable to the tech savy, who would simply put a grounded shield over it to prevent it from signalling the chip in th disk, thereby rendering it useless, since the player would then have to assume that the disk was a older, non embedded one, or a home made disk and so, would simply proceed to play it.
Again, so much for another dumbassed DRM scheme which is nothing more than the people who make thr RFID stuff looking for another way to make more revenue | |
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ctceo
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1 edit | I have, It's cool, and aside from frying the RFID, the DVD would be just as useful.
As for RFID and non-RFID movies, they simply wouldn't. That would not be practical, or economical. Their objective is to get you to do what they want. | |
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1 edit | Re: Another one bites the dust.... said by BA :It's almost certain there's some kind of key on the tag that's necessary to decode the DVD content. Maybe; maybe not. Remember, the new DVDs with RFID chips have to be backward compatible to play on older DVD players without RFID readers. If the RFID has to be there to decode the movie, it couldn't be backward compatible with older players. Of course the studios could sell RFID and non-RFID versions of a movie, but I doubt they would do that for cost reasons.
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| Re: Another one bites the dust.... said by MMH :said by BA :It's almost certain there's some kind of key on the tag that's necessary to decode the DVD content. Maybe; maybe not. Remember, the new DVDs with RFID chips have to be backward compatible to play on older DVD players without RFID readers. If the RFID has to be there to decode the movie, it couldn't be backward compatible with older players. Of course the studios could sell RFID and non-RFID versions of a movie, but I doubt they would do that for cost reasons. Why would anyone buy the RFID version? Also, how will this stop copies? Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get how this would prevent copies? | |
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ctceo
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clubs: | Re: Another one bites the dust.... It won't. If it can be heard it can be digitally copied. The law of analog. | |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
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| If they did something like that I wouldn't buy it simple as that. This benefits nobody but them, and hurts the consumer. IMO it aint none of their business what I do with it after I buy it, unless I am selling it to other people.
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Jason Levine
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USA
| Re: Another one bites the dust.... I'd agree with that statement with only one modification:
it aint none of their business what I do with it after I buy it, unless I am selling copies to other people. If I watch the DVD and then decide to sell it to someone else, that's my business. I just can't run off copies and start selling (or giving) them to people. | |
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Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
| they cant force us to buy new players, this will fail because the consumer will say no and in the end its us the consumer who controls them because if we dont buy new players for their new RFID discs then their share holders will tell them use the old system or we sell your stock.
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| Re: Another one bites the dust.... said by Kearnstd :they cant force us to buy new players, this will fail because the consumer will say no and in the end its us the consumer who controls them because if we dont buy new players for their new RFID discs then their share holders will tell them use the old system or we sell your stock. Also, wouldn't the new players have to play older discs without an RFID tag? If so, wouldn't that mean that it would play copies without a problem? | |
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ctceo
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South Bend, IN
clubs: | Apparently they've forced enough people to buy DRM stuff, to afford their new assault on freedom with new DRM hardware that is abundant, and being sold every day at your local Wal-mart, or Best Buy. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | not to mention that if someone found a way to safely microwave the RFID and not the media part, Microwaves would get banned by the DMCA.
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Jason Levine
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USA
| Re: Another one bites the dust.... It could be in theory if you could construct a "DVD sleeve" that protected the DVD while exposing the RFID chip. I'm not sure whether it would be feasible though. (Is there any material that you could make a sleeve out of that would block microwave radiation?) I don't think that microwaves would get banned (though the "chip nuker sleeves" might just be). After all, they didn't ban sharpies after it was discovered that you could use them to get by some CD copy protection schemes. | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: Another one bites the dust.... Just use aluminum foil, allthough this might be difficult (and a bit hard on the oven) because the transponder antenna would likely be embedded in a circular manner around the disk, just like the data pits.
It would just depend on how they did it.
But then, why bother? Just disable the sensor antenna in the player. It would simply be a small helical antenna sitting on top of the tray cavity in the player (since this is really the only real practical place to put it). You cant put it below because of the motors and mechanics for the pickup.
It would be easy to either shield the sensor, move it away from the tray area, or, simply bypass it, since it is only low frequency RF (somewhat like a garage door opener) to begin with.
Hardly a technical challenge to defeat. | |
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sokhapkin
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Somerset, NJ | How come? My brain can't understand how RFID chip could prevent DVD copying??? | |
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plencnerb
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Racine, WI
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| Sounds like I can't take my DVD's on vacation? From the article
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Home DVD players will eventually be able to check on the chip embedded in a disc, and refuse to play discs which are copied or played in the 'wrong' geographical region, the companies behind the technology expect.
So, if I buy the DVD say in New York, and I take a trip to California to visit my relatives, and bring the DVD with me, it sounds like there is a chance that it won't play!  How stupid is that!
This is why things like this will hurt the people who buy the media for legal reasons, and have no plans to pirate. I also feel stunts like this (along with probably tons other bad things about this chip) that will kill it before it even gets off the ground.
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dualsmp
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Charlotte, NC | RFID sucks donkey balls I think this will just increase piracy. RFID will turn people off big time, including myself. | |
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BA
You Gotta Be Here in 2010
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clubs: | Re: RFID sucks donkey balls Obviously not. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| Its in clothing already, you buy it and the store knows who you are when you leave and COME THROUGH the shoplifting towers, so instead of hearing "we're sorry there seems to be a problem with something you have stolen.....err purchased", you'll hear "Welcome to target stores Mike martinez" and if you've been busted at a store for shoplifting it can send a radio message to loss prevention.
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Fatal Vector
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| Re: RFID sucks donkey balls
Ummm...The systems in stores are not that intelligent. The towers by the door are Sensor antennas that emit a low frequency RF field that powers the transponder in a theft tag. It sets off a alarm if the tag has not been deactivated at the checkout, which is what those pads thery pass stuff over are for.
Nothing high tech at all, really. If they thought consumers would accept smart systems like you suggest, they would have implemented them by now. There is a limit to what even Joe and Jane box of rocks will accept in intrusive advertising, etc. | |
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TheTony21
@mindspring.com | Ritek? I'm thinking this news won't bode well for retail sales of Ritek blank media. | |
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BetaTron
Sinz
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Brooklyn, NY
| Here we go again! Every time I read news like this my blood boils... all I want to do is buy my DVD... sit down on my comfy sofa with my soda in one hand and my remote in the other.
Instead of spending all this money on anti-piracy tools how 'bout a price break on the movies. | |
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miscnick
@rr.com
| Heh, bring it **AA I welcome a challenge.
Direct TV smart cards (a fancy chip on a card) didn't take much, a simple script and it's defeated.
A not so fancy RFID chip is miniscule in it's abilities.
Remember the handshake buzzer thing that shocked you?
A simple electrical discharge.
Far from it for me to say, but the solution is probably along those lines.
Heh, it's either that oir hold down the shift key
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| wh5916
join:2006-02-09
Newport News, VA | Re: Heh, bring it **AA said by miscnick :
I welcome a challenge.
Direct TV smart cards (a fancy chip on a card) didn't take much, a simple script and it's defeated.
Have you visited alt.dss.hack recently? | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| What is the 'wrong' region? Why do I suspect that, if this were put in place, the "geographic regions" will be as narrowly defined as possible. Meaning that my DVD player won't just be in "Region 1", but will be in "Region 1 - Northeast US." So if I decide to sell my previously viewed DVD to someone else, it will be useless to anyone outside of my region. And if I decide to move out of my "region", then my DVDs won't play (even if I bring along my own DVD player) and I'll have to repurchase them. All in all, sounds like a bad system for the consumers.
Of course, it'll likely be cracked within a week. The pirates will use the cracks to put the films online, the tech savvy will use the cracks to use the films for their own purposes, but the average consumer will be the ones who suffer. | |
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| ChoZ3nWon
join:2003-02-16
Lindenhurst, NY | Re: What is the 'wrong' region? its already been cracked just RFID blocker sleeves in a sheet make it so it fits perfectly over the cd/dvd whatever insert to drive :P | |
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aurora
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join:2003-03-18
Chicago, IL
| Mega dmca It seems like its been too long since the industry has gotten one of its puppets to try and push through a law which requires things like this in new devices. This kind of thinking is one of the reasons that tech growth is somewhat stuck in this country. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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Hartwell, GA
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| The end of the road It makes you not want to buy any movie. Not only do they want to stop fair use but track you as well. I guess the words fair use is not in there vocabulary.
They won't care if sales decrease cause of this, they will just blame it on piracy.
1) can't copy for personal use even under the fair use law
2) can't sell software, music or movie downloads even after you paid for them
3) can't fast forward through a commercial
4) can't change a channel during a commercial
5) can't go to the bathroom to avoid a commercial (sarcasm)
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join:2006-07-21
| Re: The end of the road said by viperpa33s :It makes you not want to buy any movie. Not only do they want to stop fair use but track you as well. I guess the words fair use is not in there vocabulary. They won't care if sales decrease cause of this, they will just blame it on piracy. 1) can't copy for personal use even under the fair use law 2) can't sell software, music or movie downloads even after you paid for them 3) can't fast forward through a commercial 4) can't change a channel during a commercial No wonder the Media industry is in trouble congress wants to make it illegal to record songs off the radio even for personal use. all u need to defeat that is a tape recorder. they also want to make it a felony to use a vcr to record tv shows. i was watchin c-span a while back and lawmakers were discussin this. the technology would be in the form of a "flag" | |
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Phylop
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Reston, VA | If you want to control the market... ...STOP BUYING DRM PRODUCTS! (Not talking to BBR people, talking to idiots who blindly buy shitty products and don't understand the concept of "If it sucks, don't buy it.") | |
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rob_in_chatt
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Chattanooga, TN
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1 edit | ya does not matter to me either way what they do. it will simply be circumvented in a short while. who said you cant run an unauthorized copy of XP Pro and not get updates? LMAO these people amuse me in the way they go about thinking of ways to stop piracy. it will never happen. | |
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anon2cents
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| simple Want to stop piracy? Lower the price of something to a reasonable level. Just one music cd is $20.00 and the way that money is distributed between the industry and the artist is pathetic and greedy. Sell music cds for $10.00 or $7.99 and piracy will go down big time. Oh sure some industry garbage will complain that the costs of doing business keep the price high or some other lie like that but we all know that a business owner never tells anyone how much something REALLY cost to make or produce. They all have that hidden profit margin for themselves it's something that all businesses have and are willing to take to the grave lol.
Common sense is always there but most people never use it because of greed or lack of any sense at all. | |
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