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Verizon Unveils FiosTV Multi-Room DVR
$20 a month, 160 gig hard-drive

Verizon today unveiled a new option for those lucky enough to be within reach of FiosTV: the Motorola QIP6416 multi-room DVR, which will stream programming to up to three standard definition televisions. The unit, which features dual HD tuners and a 160gig hard-drive, is available to FiosTV subscribers for $20 a month, plus $3.95 for each TV you'll have connected to it.

The TVs are connected via traditional Coax, via 270 Mbps capable equipment from the Multimedia Over Coax alliance (MOCA), recently chosen by Verizon to reduce installation costs. Each TV hooked into the hub needs a standard definition Motorola QIP2500 box, which means despite the bandwidth, no multiple HD-streams (HD signals can be viewed remotely, they're just at a lower resolution).

Connected TVs can't access the same program at the same time, though the company promises this functionality in future versions. The company also states that the company will ultimately let users hook the box up to a home PC, allowing the transfer of PC-stored media (though there may be legal obstacles).

Plenty of discussion of the new service (and some early impressions) can be found in our Verizon Fios forum. There's also more information available at the Verizon website.
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caco
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Good/bad

Great deal for Verizon. They get to save on equipment cost.
Good deal for subs if they don't record that much, not so good if you record a lot. I can just see some big households eating right thru that 160 GB hard drive.
bogey7806
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Re: Good/bad

I don't know. I popped a 120gig HD in my TiVo and I still have program a year old on it.

DaveDude
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I dont understand who would want this.

20x 12= 240. A new tivo or replay is just able to the same cost and some do streaming and there have a better interfaces.

imrf
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Re: Good/bad

said by DaveDude:

I dont understand who would want this.

20x 12= 240. A new tivo or replay is just able to the same cost and some do streaming and there have a better interfaces.
Really? They both came out with high def units? When did this happen?
DMS1
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Re: Good/bad

said by imrf:

said by DaveDude:

I dont understand who would want this.

20x 12= 240. A new tivo or replay is just able to the same cost and some do streaming and there have a better interfaces.
Really? They both came out with high def units? When did this happen?
And a dual-tuner HD unit at that.

DaveDude
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Re: Good/bad

said by DMS1:
said by imrf:
said by DaveDude:

I dont understand who would want this.

20x 12= 240. A new tivo or replay is just able to the same cost and some do streaming and there have a better interfaces.
Really? They both came out with high def units? When did this happen?
And a dual-tuner HD unit at that.
For the price it isnt reasonable. I rather just build my own.

Fatal Vector
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Re: Good/bad



Yes. Another "deal" for the terminally stupid (or, those with more money than brains). $20 a month and an extra $4 for each TV connected to it...? WTF?

So, with 1 TV, that's $288.

With 2 TV's that's $336.

with a full load of 3 TV's that's $384!

Over and above regular service charges.

I'll jump right on it.
FlyingPhotog
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Carrollton, TX

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Re: Good/bad

Say What? I can get the whole package from Verizon for about $100 a month for 2 TV's. HDTV, dual tuner, MRDVR, internet.

Fatal Vector
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LMAO.

Say what?

$100 a month? $1,200 a year? Someones crazy and it isn't me.
FlyingPhotog
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Re: LMAO.

Fios Internet - $34.95/month
FIos Premier TV Pakage - $39.95/month
MRDVR with HD - $19.95 / month

Still less that we have been paying for DirecTV, SBC Yahoo DSL and Land line phone. We're ditching the land line and using cell phones 100%

Maxo
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PC Hookup

This can already be done via a TV tuner or capture card. These are easier to use for pirating purposes than if they used some proprietary program.

pnh102
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Re: PC Hookup

said by Maxo:

This can already be done via a TV tuner or capture card. These are easier to use for pirating purposes than if they used some proprietary program.
It'd be nice if there were a tuner card which captured DVI or HDMI output... lowdef is just so 19th century.

Steve B
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Re: PC Hookup

uhhh, i don't think they had tv in the 19th century, it's the 21st century right now, so i think you meant the 20th century.

pnh102
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Re: PC Hookup

said by Steve B:

uhhh, i don't think they had tv in the 19th century, it's the 21st century right now, so i think you meant the 20th century.
I suppose I could reply by saying "what I have written, I have written" but that might be tacky.

I can't even watch standard NTSC broadcasts anymore. The lame picture quality literally hurts my eyes.

Steve B
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I don't have a Hi-Def TV. I still have the standard tube with D*. I watch Hi-Def when I can like when I am over at my brother's place. He got the 64in widescreen DLP with a subscription to hi-def. It's fun to watch when I can, LOL.

Maxo
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Hi-Def is fun, but it's also for those who can afford it. It's not really about the quality of the picture, it's the quality of the programming. Right about now the content of most programming on TV is much lower than the actual quality of the picture it's coming in at.

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"This can already be done via a TV tuner or capture card. These are easier to use for pirating purposes than if they used some proprietary program."

Exactly so. Tuner cards are very nice and TV looks good on a monitor digitized and deinterlaced.
grandpinaple8
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Wow what a ripoff

You have to actually pay per TV attached? Give me a break I'd rather do it myself I am sure that with 2 TVs attached I would recoup the cost of all the equipment within half a year.
DMS1
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Re: Wow what a ripoff

said by grandpinaple8:

You have to actually pay per TV attached? Give me a break I'd rather do it myself I am sure that with 2 TVs attached I would recoup the cost of all the equipment within half a year.
I don't think you understand how it work. The multi-room DVR option allows a non-DVR STB to pull recorded programming from a DVR totally independently of what is happening on the DVR. In other words, you can watch one recording on the DVR and a different one on the other STB (and still be recording two other programs at the same time).
grandpinaple8
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Re: Wow what a ripoff

No I got that I'm saying you can stream yourself to multiple rooms although it is admittedly looking more difficult than I originally envisioned.

inteller
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QIP6416?

This sounds dangerously similiar in model to the Moto DCT6416 which is a high definition piece of trash. I have went through about 5 of those boxes. Just because the transport is Fios and not cable doesn't mean the box doesn't suck.

EDIT: yep I found it......the same piece of garbage, retrofitted for FIOS

»broadband.motorola.com/n ··· 416.html

as far as charging for each TV, the box uses MoCA which is just retrofitting and using your existing cable loop through the house. So just tell Verizon you only use one TV, then hook it up yourself.

After you use this box for a week though you wont want to hook it up to more than one TV, more like you'll want to throw it out the window.

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Re: QIP6416?

said by inteller:

So just tell Verizon you only use one TV, then hook it up yourself.
It won't work that way. The charge that everyone is so up in arms about is a normal converter rental that is required to view shows on the DVR. Without that converter there is no way a tv can tell what is on the DVR. They communicate with each other.

McLovin
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said by imrf:

The charge that everyone is so up in arms about is a normal converter rental that is required to view shows on the DVR. Without that converter there is no way a tv can tell what is on the DVR. They communicate with each other.
A smart move on Verizon's part!

Edrick
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Re: QIP6416?

The equiptment charges are cheaper than comcasts.

Now for those saying why not just get a tivo blah blah blah

Say you have 4 TV's 1 DVR

1 DVR - 20.00 w/ Multi Room Service
3 Settop boxes 5.00 each - 15.00

Now say you have Tivo Boxes
4 Tivo Boxes
4 Set Top Boxes
= Cost More.

CodeeCB
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Re: QIP6416?

It depends if you need/want HD on all the tvs though. with Comcast, each HD-DVR is $9.95 (atleast in my area) so each tv would have a 2-tuner HD DVR with its own storage.

If you don't need HD, Dish Network would be the best option. the vip622 has 2 outputs, and the HD is around 300 gigs I beieve (it holds about 30 hours of HD). It also has 3 tuners in it. The TV2 out can be rca, s-video, and/or coax. The coax can go to as many tvs as you want to run it to, but the only downside is that the other tvs besides the main set all watch the same thing at the same time. But, the total cost for that setup would be $5 a month for the box, and as many tvs as you want on it.

tivo-pc
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PC PVR

How do you setup a PVR on your PC? what hardware is required? I think the last tv tuner card i had, i just plugged the coax in and it changed the channels. How is that done with satellite system or digital cable systems? (or even multiple inputs, like dual-tuner or more).

I guess the windows media system comes to mind, I've seen them with dual tuners but couldn't figure out how it can tune the sat boxes automatically.

thanks.

KoolMoe
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Re: PC PVR

As far as I know, you can't. Since such signals can only be descrambled by the providers STB, you have to have that STB connected - so you have to leave the tuner set to channel 3 then change actual channels on the set-top box.
I have to do it that way in my office. While it's an analog feed, I can't get HBO or SHO without the lame analog box inline.

Only way around this will be a partnership between makers of TV Tuner cards and the cable providers - which I just don't see happening, at least not any time soon.

I would love to be proven wrong on any of the above!
KM
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Re: PC PVR

you are correct. Everyone above talking about "this is stupid I could just build my own for so much cheaper" really doesn't know what they are talking about.

OreoleO
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Pretty expensive

Pretty expensive for those who are going to use it for only 1 tv. What I don't like about them as well, is the lacking of Russian programing aswell
DMS1
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Re: Pretty expensive

said by OreoleO:

Pretty expensive for those who are going to use it for only 1 tv. What I don't like about them as well, is the lacking of Russian programing aswell
If you only have one TV then you wouldn't have the multi-room DVR option would you. Instead, you would just have the standard DVR at $13 a month. Given that these boxes costs Verizon at least $400, it would take over two and a half years for them to break even. Of course, if anyone can build their own dual-tuner HD DVR that will work without a separate STB or two, then please tell us how.
tmc8080
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too rich...

i think the dvr equipment rental fees are too expensive..
the standard dvr is $12.95, and that is too much, so this would be out of the question. it would have been better to give everyone a dvr in each room with the abilty to stream from room to room!
Imagine 500gb hard drives, not 160gb, with the ability to stream room to room! and while I'm in fantasy land, the rental should only be $4-10/month, but a $400 steep fee if you don't "return it" when you unsubscribe. Its not like they're going to cut the cable-tv service price anymore, so this would be a good incentive.
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Re: too rich...

Charter has the Moxi with Mate. It runs 24.95. As many have said I would be a "Sucker". But last I checked most that have these have a movie channels and use on demand not to mention use 5.1 Dolby Digital sound. That crap called Tivo doesn't do that.

jlhugh
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This is new

So the pricing will come down and the packages will change. The extra fees will probably change also.

Ebolla
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prices

It says $20.00 for unit and 3.95 for each tv its attached to. now is that 3.95 cost in addition to the STB that will be required to pull that information? If it is the $382 a year for equipment is gunna jump up a bit more.

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QIP6416

Hi, I would like to purchase QIP6416 STB.
Can any one tell me where can I get it.