Utopia: Capped and Throttled? Ultra-fast fiber connections have their limits Tuesday Jul 18 2006 15:36 EDT Utah's UTOPIA municipal fiber project is the largest in the country, serving more than a dozen cities with fiber, much to the dismay of incumbents Qwest and Comcast. While the project does offer some incredible speeds for relatively little coin, users in our forums note that the ISPs offering service over the Utopia network are allegedly employing throttles and caps, limiting exactly how much users can enjoy these services. Utah's MStarMetro offers symmetrical 15Mbps fiber connections for $40, but at least one of our users claims their p2p applications are being throttled (As with Shaw/Rogers, using Bit Torrent encryption or changing ports usually solves this problem). Xmission also offers 15Mbps symmetrical connections for $40, but users in our forums indicate that the ISP caps its users around 100gigs a month. |
  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Are people really shocked?Lets review, as much as people dont want to believe it Utopia is a business. Business's exist to earn money. Freeloaders take away from potential earnings. Its funny how so many people proclaim that Utopia is the "darling" ISP and how everyone else should be like them, yet they do the same shit as the other telco's/ISP's! Ahhh, the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife.
EDIT: Summary for those who cant figure it out. For-profit business's exist to make $. They will ALL do whatever it takes to maximize profit while minimizing customer churn. No ISP that wishes to stay in business for very long will ever offer Joe User an uncapped, unlimited connection for $10 per month. If people really need a "better" connection spend some money and buy a business class product. /rant | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by wifi4milez:Its funny how so many people proclaim that Utopia is the "darling" ISP and how everyone else should be like them, yet they do the same shit as the other telco's/ISP's! Ahhh, the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. Except that you're missing one important point here - UTOPIA is not doing the throttling or capping. UTOPIA simply makes the network available, other ISPs actually offer the service and it is those other ISPs that are implementing caps and throttling. | |
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said by bbenso1:said by wifi4milez:Its funny how so many people proclaim that Utopia is the "darling" ISP and how everyone else should be like them, yet they do the same shit as the other telco's/ISP's! Ahhh, the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. Except that you're missing one important point here - UTOPIA is not doing the throttling or capping. UTOPIA simply makes the network available, other ISPs actually offer the service and it is those other ISPs that are implementing caps and throttling. I am not missing the point. The OTHER business's that offer services on Utopia's network are (get ready)..... also in the business of making money!! That means that THEY would have to pay extra for Joe User eating up the bandwidth that THEY paid for. Still not make sense to you guys?? Go re-read my edited first post for clarification. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by wifi4milez:The OTHER business's that offer services on Utopia's network are (get ready)..... also in the business of making money!! That means that THEY would have to pay extra for Joe User eating up the bandwidth that THEY paid for. Still not make sense to you guys?? Yes, they're in the business of making money. However, the big difference here is that they are all using the network provided by UTOPIA. Which means that instead of getting 6M/384k connection from Comcast (or whoever) for $50/month with caps and no other alternative these people are getting SYMMETRICAL, MULTI-MEG connections for $40/month and the option of switching to another provider if the service they're getting doesn't meet their needs. Frankly, I wouldn't mind a cap of 100Gig/month if I could get a symmetrical, multi-meg connection. The 6Meg download speeds I've got do a decent enough job, it's the increased upload speed I want. Not to mention the option to go with another provider since my Comcast connection has been out for over a week with no resolution and I can't get a connection from anyone else. No, satellite is not an option for me as there are trees which don't belong to me blocking the skyline exposure that I need. | |
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Actually, you sounded incredibly ignorant. The point you also missed of why Utopia is the next sliced bread is that multiple companies offer service (which is called competition) across the Utopia network, and the users may choose which ISP to use.
So if your ISP is throttling you, choose another, or, gasp, you can start your own ISP without being subjected to anti-competitive duopoly tactics, or "building your own".
Not to mention, 100gb's a month is hardly a restrictive cap. That can easily be described as "commercial" use. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?Do you get it now wifi4milez? | |
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said by Ahrenl:Actually, you sounded incredibly ignorant. The point you also missed of why Utopia is the next sliced bread is that multiple companies offer service (which is called competition) across the Utopia network, and the users may choose which ISP to use. Hmmm.....And my comment about how a business exists to make money is related to your "comment" how? said by Ahrenl:So if your ISP is throttling you, choose another, or, gasp, you can start your own ISP without being subjected to anti-competitive duopoly tactics, or "building your own". Not to mention, 100gb's a month is hardly a restrictive cap. That can easily be described as "commercial" use. Ok well lets once AGAIN go back to my original post for a quick lesson. Given that all business's exist to make money, those that chose to offer crappy service, low caps, etc. will be the ones that have to close their doors when enough customers leave! So basically, all these responses actually back up my original post. I am still not sure where this whole "other competition" thing came into the mix, but you cant win them all. (One last time!)For those who STILL dont see the coorleation between my orignal quote and what is being discussed now please see below, then ponder, then re-read. said by wifi4milez:They will ALL do whatever it takes to maximize profit while minimizing customer churn. Do you guys get it now??? | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by wifi4milez: Lets review, as much as people dont want to believe it Utopia is a business. Business's exist to earn money. Freeloaders take away from potential earnings. Its funny how so many people proclaim that Utopia is the "darling" ISP and how everyone else should be like them, yet they do the same shit as the other telco's/ISP's! Ahhh, the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. Actually here's your original post where you blame Utopia for throttling and capping. However it's not Utopia at all, but the ISP's offering service over the Utopia network. Since you can freely choose which ISP you want to use over the network, you can choose NOT to use those with caps and throttling restrictions that affect the way you use the internet. That's why you sound ignorant, there is no irony, as there's no comparison to the "other telco's/ISP's" as when they apply restrictions to your usage, you have NO choice, except to NOT use the internet; which for many is not a choice. I'm also not sure what you mean by freeloaders, as I don't know of anyone who is getting their internet connection for free. In fact most people I know, myself included, pay way more than they should have to. (Or rather than they would have to if there were a fair market available, eg. Utopia). | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by Ahrenl:said by wifi4milez: Lets review, as much as people dont want to believe it Utopia is a business. Business's exist to earn money. Freeloaders take away from potential earnings. Its funny how so many people proclaim that Utopia is the "darling" ISP and how everyone else should be like them, yet they do the same shit as the other telco's/ISP's! Ahhh, the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. Actually here's your original post where you blame Utopia for throttling and capping. However it's not Utopia at all, but the ISP's offering service over the Utopia network. Since you can freely choose which ISP you want to use over the network, you can choose NOT to use those with caps and throttling restrictions that affect the way you use the internet. That's why you sound ignorant, there is no irony, as there's no comparison to the "other telco's/ISP's" as when they apply restrictions to your usage, you have NO choice, except to NOT use the internet; which for many is not a choice. I'm also not sure what you mean by freeloaders, as I don't know of anyone who is getting their internet connection for free. In fact most people I know, myself included, pay way more than they should have to. (Or rather than they would have to if there were a fair market available, eg. Utopia). Its clear that you STILL dont get it. I never "blamed" Utopia for doing anything. I simply stated that Utopia is a business, and that a business will do whatever it takes to stay viable in the market. While Utopia themselves might not have been doing the throttling, capping, etc. that is at issue here, I can guarantee you that they would if it became necessary to support their business model. Get with the times pal. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by wifi4milez:Its clear that you STILL dont get it. I never "blamed" Utopia for doing anything. I simply stated that Utopia is a business, and that a business will do whatever it takes to stay viable in the market. While Utopia themselves might not have been doing the throttling, capping, etc. that is at issue here, I can guarantee you that they would if it became necessary to support their business model. Get with the times pal. You're right I still don't get what you're talking about. Utopia is a municipal non-profit organization. They don't charge for service. They don't provide service. They charge a flat rate to ISP's (by flat I mean, the same for each ISP), to use the infrastructure. Not to mention, to stay viable in the market, one usually does not INCREASE their price. Price increases are usually due to market inefficiencies lending one of the bargaining players more power over the other. Utopia won't throttle or cap because THEY ARE NOT A SERVICE PROVIDER. You're arguments would be considered if they were based in reality. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?Its almost as if I am talking to a wall! Nothing seems to get through to you..... said by Ahrenl:They don't charge for service. They don't provide service Thats interesting. So I suppose the providers that re-sell Utopia service are getting it for free? If thats the case then please sign me up to be a Utopia re-seller! Free money, cant be beat!! said by Ahrenl:Not to mention, to stay viable in the market, one usually does not INCREASE their price. Where do you come up with this crap? Who ever said anything about increasing prices?? said by Ahrenl:Utopia won't throttle or cap because THEY ARE NOT A SERVICE PROVIDER. For the answer to this one, lets refer back to my previous quote once again. said by wifi4milez:They will ALL do whatever it takes to maximize profit while minimizing customer churn. If Utopia needs to do something in order to not LOSE money they will, trust me. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by wifi4milez:Its almost as if I am talking to a wall! Nothing seems to get through to you..... said by Ahrenl:They don't charge for service. They don't provide service Thats interesting. So I suppose the providers that re-sell Utopia service are getting it for free? If thats the case then please sign me up to be a Utopia re-seller! Free money, cant be beat!! Read the next line in my last response. But of course, then you'd have nothing to say. said by Ahrenl:Not to mention, to stay viable in the market, one usually does not INCREASE their price. Where do you come up with this crap? Who ever said anything about increasing prices?? Increasing price or decreasing service, amounts to the same thing. It's easier to blanket it all under price instead of continually mentioning every option they have. said by Ahrenl:Utopia won't throttle or cap because THEY ARE NOT A SERVICE PROVIDER. For the answer to this one, lets refer back to my previous quote once again. Well, your previous quote provided no answers, so ehhmm.. said by wifi4milez:They will ALL do whatever it takes to maximize profit while minimizing customer churn. If Utopia needs to do something in order to not LOSE money they will, trust me. | |
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100 gigs a month is certainly a nice round number if had no choice in my ISP's cap usage...  | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?100 gigs is more than ANY Residential ISP caps TODAY for the price and speed. | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?said by chemaupr:100 gigs is more than ANY Residential ISP caps TODAY for the price and speed. Yet somehow people on this site still bitch and moan. It's almost comical, isnt it! | |
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Re: Are people really shocked?quote:
100 gigs is more than ANY Residential ISP caps TODAY for the price and speed.
For that price and speed yes, but its not the highest CAP. Comcast won't even notice you until you start reaching 250-300Gigs a month. Qwest won't say anything at all, I don't even think they have CAPS. I've seen some users on Qwest do over 350Gig/month (on the 7Mbps/896Kbps plan of course). Its ridiculous of how low that cap is, esp for having 15Mb/sec SYMMETRICAL speed. That's like buying the top end Alien ware to use it for word processing. Oh well, not much we can do about it except not get the service.  | |
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said by chemaupr:100 gigs is more than ANY Residential ISP caps TODAY for the price and speed. and you know this how? I think you should do a little more homework there... | |
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said by chemaupr:100 gigs is more than ANY Residential ISP caps TODAY for the price and speed. it is more than enough for most people, but you can use more than this if you really try | |
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Refresh my memory, was this a network that multiple companies could offer service on, or everything run by the local government?
Anyhow, the company or companies are in a competitive market, if one of them can remove the caps without losing money, then they'll get more business until the other guys fall in line. The point of Utopia is competition with 1.5Mbps DSL and Cable, and providing to places stuck on dialup. Small companies can implement these simplistic throttling schemes more quickly, probably just one VP being impressed by the throttling vendors. But eventually they will lose to someone who offers a better deal.
Most people will accept throttling if it lowers their bill, but nobody likes caps, so the market should come to some equilibrium as long as there are enough providers. Watch out though if the Utopia providers start consolidating, then they become just like the cable monopoly. | |
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said by wifi4milez:EDIT: Summary for those who cant figure it out. For-profit business's exist to make $. They will ALL do whatever it takes to maximize profit while minimizing customer churn. Imagine that. A business wants their revenues to exceed their costs and actually make a profit for the investors. Lock them up, I say, lock them up.  | |
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2006-Jul-18 6:11 pm
Re: Are people really shocked?And as customers, we are suppose to take as much as we can, bringing that profitability as close to zero as possible. | |
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2006-Jul-18 6:12 pm
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As long as those limitations are clearly spelled out and are fairly reasonable, there really isn't a reason to complain. 100GB is a tab bit low for a 15Mbps product, but its much better than, say 30 or 60GB. 150GB would be a slightly more reasonable number.
As for getting a business product, why should a home user have to get a business product for home use ? If a provider advertises an unlimited product for home use, it should be prepared to offer an unlimited product for home use. | |
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2006-Jul-18 2:58 pm
:pOnly 100gig a month? OMG! What a crime! Such a low cap! [/sarcasm] Heck, 100gig a month that's nice, wish my FAP was like that. Anyone who complains about that for such a low price should be forced to live out here in the boondocks where only satellite is available. | |
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2006-Jul-18 5:46 pm
Re: :p100 gigs is incredibly low. It should be at least 200.
I can easily use over 100 GB a month and I'm on a 4 Mbps connection... | |
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2006-Jul-20 12:58 pm
Re: :pI'm amazed at the attitude of the OP, calling people who use all of the bandwith that they pay for "freeloaders".
When he buys gas, does he put a gallon or 2 back in the stations tanks?
As far as caps go. 100 gig is not that much for a house full of teenagers. But at least (I think) they state the actual cap to their cutomers instead of having unstated limits and severe penalties for exceeding them - like Comcast. | |
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Honestly100GBs is very reasonable. I used to be of the opinion that I should be able to download whatever I wanted, but bandwidth just hasnt reached basement prices yet.
I mean honestly, if you're using 100GBs a month on a residental connection, then 95% of the time you ARE engaging in less than legal activity. HD quality streams arent THAT plentiful, and even streaming radio isnt that much.
Lets be generious and say a radio stream is 256kbps. 256kbps = 32Kbyte/s. 32*60sec*60min*24h*30d = 82944000KByte = just under 80GB. That's listening to a high quality audio stream 24/7. Hell, even my average bittorrent traffic averages only 20GB a month. Sad to say, but those of us who consume a good deal of bandwidth are just unprofitable customers for a business. The only way we get by is because our heavy usage is subsidized by low traffic users.
I'm not saying that I wouldnt complain too, but at some point in time, heavy users (myself included) have to face reality. | |
| |  danawhitakerSpace...The Final Frontier
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Re: HonestlyThat statistic works if you're the only person in your house. Fine. Take a household of three or four people. That breaks down to 25 gigs a month. Is that so reasonable? Just with my Xbox 360, I've done at least 8-10 gigs of transfer of game trailers and game demos in less than a month. That doesn't even hit on the game trailers and demos I download that aren't going directly to my Xbox, but instead are on my PC.
It's bad news for legitimate content producers like iTunes and other streaming media outfits. If I were going to get anything online, I'd probably get CNN Pipeline. I wonder how much that would eat up for about 15 hours a day running constantly.
I don't even really care so much at this point, because I've been saying since people started jumping up and down about Utopia that there were flaws, and that other countries do it much better (i.e. Sweden, where you can get 100mbit synchronous uncapped very cheap).
The only way I'd get this kind of service is if a) they weren't throttling ports and b) If they insisted on a cap, they had a max overcharge of around $30 like Sympatio does in Canada.
I shouldn't have to get a business-class connection to do things that the average residential user wants to be able to do. I'd gladly pay a higher price for an unlimited tier, if they'd offer one. Until they do, I'll gladly stick with my 1.5mbit DSL, because I can do what I want with that and run circles around the caps the Utopia ISPs throw into the mix. | |
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2006-Jul-18 3:52 pm
Re: Honestlysaid by danawhitaker:That statistic works if you're the only person in your house. Fine. Take a household of three or four people. T........ I don't even really care so much at this point, because I've been saying since people started jumping up and down about Utopia that there were flaws, and that other countries do it much better (i.e. Sweden, where you can get 100mbit synchronous uncapped very cheap). The only way I'd get this kind of service is if a) they weren't throttling ports and b) If they insisted on a cap, they had a max overcharge of around $30 like Sympatio does in Canada. I shouldn't have to get a business-class connection to do things that the average residential user wants to be able to do. I'd gladly pay a higher price for an unlimited tier, if they'd offer one. Until they do, I'll gladly stick with my 1.5mbit DSL, because I can do what I want with that and run circles around the caps the Utopia ISPs throw into the mix. Actually, the caps are not just on Utopia, but all the services for the ISPs I am familiar with. Not to say that there are not some that do not have caps, but I do not know about them. But if you have X number of people pumping max bits all day long on one cheap line (times a lot of lines), no provider will stay in service very long. Someone has to pay for that all the way down the pipe from you to the source. I like a decent provider who says up front what the limits are. If you can't handle it, then it lets you know to keep looking for another source, which it sounds like you are doing. And Utopia is not a provider of services, they are a provider of a line that the incumbents were dragging their collective feet on for much of the area. What you do with that line depends on you and the actual service provider, thanks to Qwest buying a lawmaker (who is not even near the Utopia served area but all the way south) and making Utopia only a line and not a service. Can't understand why you deserve business class service at peon rates. Maybe the airlines should let us all fly first class for the cost of steerage? Wonder how long they would be in business with the loss of more than half of the seating and back to paying for all that food and drink? | |
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2006-Jul-18 6:13 pm
Re: HonestlyCan't understand why you deserve business class service at peon rates. Since when is an uncapped, unlimited service considered business class ? If a provider says unlimited, they need to be prepared for users to take that at face value and use bandwidth as they see fit. Otherwise they need to slap the business school morons and tell them to quit using unlimited in the advertising material if the technology can't support it. | |
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Hmm.. wonder what the bandwidth cap will be when you get 3 TV's with 3 channels of HI-DEF (1 for each TV) plus the Internet and/or VOIP.... | |
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Re: HonestlyThe bandwidth cap only applies to the internet traffic. The TV and phone are partitioned off onto their own networks. According to the MStar technician that installed iProvo in my last apartment, the router at my end of the fiber shapes 100Mbps for all three services. The TV service includes up to 3 concurrent TV channels, each on their own ethernet cable (you have to string the cable to each TV, apart from the internet network). Those three channels share about 80 Mbps of the 100Mbps available.
The router also provides two phone lines for the house which share about 2 or 3Mbps.
The rest is available for internet use. I do not know if these ratios are set, or if I could have a broader internet pipe if I don't use the TV and phone (which I don't). The real limit is the router right now. | |
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what's that song?ev-ery Ro-se has its thorn, just like every downloader sings a sad, sad song.. | |
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2006-Jul-18 3:12 pm
Re: what's that song?Not me, I'm singin a happy song.  Thru my 3 Cantenna connections, i'm pulling in over 30gigs a day. I'm filling 400gig drives almost faster than I can buy them. Seagate must really love me. | |
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I'll take some!100GB per month? Not a problem!
15/15 for $40 per month? Hell yeah!
Bring that shit this way! | |
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Re: I'll take some!Hell I would be ok with 100 gigs a month cap.I can see this month that i would hit about 70 or 80 gigs | |
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The government should take it over.
I personally think it's stupid to allow businesses to monopolize voice/tv with fiber.
I think the government should own and run it. It was a historical mistake to allow private business to own cable networks. Zero competition.
I like the way the public utilities are run.
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I have Mstarmetro and haven't noticed any capsI download PLENTY from newsgroups and have not seen any caps yet. I almost always get my full 15MB down too. I don't do torrents though, so I couldn't tell ya if they are throttling that. It's hard to keep your upload at the 15MB cap though I will admit, but at least you still get more than you do with any other provider. Utopia rules!! EDIT: And BTW Mstarmetro does not offer 10/10 connections. There is only one plan other than the business plan and it is 15/15 symmetrical for $40 just like Xmission. Please get your facts strait! (And no.. there website is not the place to find the facts )EDIT 2: Thank you! | |
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2006-Jul-18 3:45 pm
The ISPs probably had problems collecting overage feesI can remember doing the math when I first heard about Xmission offering 15/15 mbps connections via UTOPIA. Pricing started at $40/month, but if you exceeded the usage ceiling, the price could rise to over $6,000 per month (assuming you could manage to fill your pipe 24/7/30).
I'd bet the put the hard caps in after they had a hard time collecting on some overages. | |
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2006-Jul-18 10:41 pm
Re: The ISPs probably had problems collecting overage feessaid by kontos:I'd bet the put the hard caps in after they had a hard time collecting on some overages. They (the computer) slow down your connection until you pay up for the overage or the timer resets. Xmission has done that since before Utopia was started. | |
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2006-Jul-18 3:45 pm
Just a few ISPs or Utopia Itself Doing This?From what i read in the article summary, it seems that only a few ISPs who use the Utopia network are allegedly throttling people and capping connections. However, the headline is implying that Utopia itself is doing this. If other ISPs which use the Utopia network are not doing this, then it is not fair to claim that Utopia is implementing throttling and/or capping. | |
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Re: Just a few ISPs or Utopia Itself Doing This?said by pnh102:From what i read in the article summary, it seems that only a few ISPs who use the Utopia network are allegedly throttling people and capping connections. However, the headline is implying that Utopia itself is doing this. If other ISPs which use the Utopia network are not doing this, then it is not fair to claim that Utopia is implementing throttling and/or capping. Do you mean to imply that DSLR is printing misleading news articles??? You sir, must be firmly reprimanded for such onerous statements! That type of thing would NEVER happen here....... | |
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Lol. Im almost sure thats wrong btw. I know im way over 100g this month but jeez. | |
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2006-Jul-18 3:58 pm
Gimme!15 up? 100gig cap?
I'd take it in a heartbeat. | |
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2006-Jul-18 5:57 pm
100gb is nothing100gb i hit that on 1.5mbits dsl ~.~ so would hit that cap even faster with 15/15mbit | |
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2006-Jul-18 6:41 pm
It's the Tubs stupid.It's the massive tangle of Tubes that is getting in the way of my internets. | |
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2006-Jul-18 6:58 pm
AT&T through Utopia... No CAPAT&T offers ISP service through Utopia fiber. I heard that if you get AT&T as your ISP, there is no cap and it is truly unlimited. Here is the link: » www.usa.att.com/fiber/index.jspI doubt that AT&T would cap their connection at all. And you get to ride over AT&T's backbone which is pretty good. | |
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batterup
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2006-Jul-18 8:23 pm
This Must Be StoppedThe UTOPIA Community Metronet prioritizes voice data so that it takes precedence over standard data transmissions.
NET NEUTRALITY. | |
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Re: This Must Be StoppedAre they prioritizing ALL voice data from every voice provider? If so then this isn't a case about net neutrality. It's simply a case of allowing the smaller voice packets to travel without problems. What do you think happens with DSL? | |
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batterup
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2006-Jul-20 2:32 pm
Re: This Must Be Stoppedsaid by SRFireside: What do you think happens with DSL? With DSL my internets get stuck behind massive goo in my Tubes. | |
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Surewest 20Mbps/20Mbps (no caps)Its disappointing to see Utopia setting a bad example with caps and P2P throttling as they have a symmetrical service like Surewest. I am glad that Surewest uncapped their 20Mbps service when it was introduced awhile back. I calculated my usage last month through bittorrent alone and it looks like I downloaded 153GB and uploaded 1.15TB. | |
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MSauk
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2006-Jul-18 9:50 pm
Re: Surewest 20Mbps/20Mbps (no caps)what the heck are you guys doing that you have that much bandwidth usage? damn | |
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said by cyberbeing:Its disappointing to see Utopia setting a bad example with caps and P2P throttling as they have a symmetrical service like Surewest. I am glad that Surewest uncapped their 20Mbps service when it was introduced awhile back. I calculated my usage last month through bittorrent alone and it looks like I downloaded 153GB and uploaded 1.15TB. Utopia does not put limits on the service, the individual companies do. Thanks to a certain bought lawmaker from Saint George (far outside Utopia's area) Utopia was artificially crippled to be nothing more than a pipe between the user and non-governmental entities. | |
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dude way too muchtruly i have nothing for using bandwidth that you can get, but then people get mad when people abuse their usage and make others lives more unhappy because they have to cap their service, 100+ GIGs is lots of junk to be downloading. i mean i pick up alot of anime that comes over from japan. but it's when you D/L over 100 GIGs it's a bit overkill. thats when they really know your not just surfing the net. truly i can't complain with 15 up and down for 40 bucks.. only thing i have to worry about is 100 GIG cap. easy. but thats just me. i have been wrong before. | |
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Tiered pricingFrom this thread alone, it's clear that different people have different bandwidth needs. We all want 100Gbit d/l speeds and zero latency even if it's for email and IM.
The ISPs just need better tiered plans. Instead of hiding the caps and overages in the fine print. Have clear pricing structure and let consumers pay for what they use and need. I'm not advocating a per mb charge, but rather 5 or more plans or even ala-carte choices for advanced users.
download, ala-carte:
768Kb = included in base
3Mb = $8
6Mb = $12
15Mb = $20
upload, ala-carte:
128Kb = included in base
384Kb = $5
1Mb = $12
15Mb = $20
monthly limit, ala-carte:
10GB = included in base
25GB = $5
100GB = $12
250GB = $20
500GB = $40
Of course it would be more like a confusing cell-phone bill... but it would be for advanced users who are already watching their bandwidth and thinking about how much they want to consumer. The same users could opt for any of the standard plans offered. Instead of complaining, they could swtich to ala-carte when their appetite increases.
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Other ISP's?It doesn't really mention the other ISP's here...
What about AT&T and Veracity? Are they capping?
If not people need to stop complaining and move to these two providers.
Personally, I am in a Utopia service area and just waiting for it's arrival. Obviously if the company you are with isn't providing what you need people need to switch. They have options.
Also I've had Xmission DSL in the past and they have never enforced their caps. I went over on a monthly basis and never heard a word. | |
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UTOPIA is HeavenI have measured bandwidth usage for ISP's on UTOPIA as par t of my job. (I do not work for UTOPIA or their ISP's.) While the AUA allows them to limit you to 100GB, they are very easy going with this limit. I have reported to them and seen them contact users that were using over 1000GB.
I don't think the ISP's (all of which have an acceptable use agreement with some limits) charged them for overage, just asked them to cut back.
We all know a small number of very heavy users use most of the bandwidth and they are actually subscidized by light users. Bandwidth has a cost and you should expect to pay more if you are a heavy user. Of course it's a business but this connection is about the best you can get. Compare it to cable's tiny upload, unknown usage limits or DLS or wireless slow speeds
UTOPIA is HEAVEN
Fiber to the home....250+ channels of IP TV (uncompressed HD (19.5mb/sec.)...not like cable which compresses it's HD)which does not count at all toward your high data limits...all at a fair cost. | |
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Thru my 3 Cantenna connections, i'm pulling in over 30gigs a day. I'm filling 400gig drives almost faster than I can buy them. Seagate must really love me. 
