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join:2001-01-21
Clinton, TN | are you kidding? And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
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| Re: are you kidding? said by LetsRok  :And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad Tubes... What a false analogy. Amazing yet pathetic.
[accent]You're clogging up my tubes with all that massive stuff like the back 'o my pickup truck!!1!??! I CAN"T GET MY EMAILS!!111/?![/accent]
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I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com
Spam: 12900+ messages currently using 406 MB. | |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs:
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| Re: are you kidding? If you would like to test the internet thingy and see how clogged it is to send him an email you can do so here...
»stevens.senate.gov/contact.cfm
See if it gets there before next Thursday | |
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| | backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | "Do you know why?
Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can't afford getting delayed by other people."
or maybe it is to keep the information from being intercepted..
what an ass | |
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CrazyTown
@verizon.net
thumbs down from:
damonlab
wriley
| He used some crazy words, but his point is exactly what is going on.. I'm not sure why everybody in here continues to harp on Net Neutrality, because it isnt going to impact any of you.. Any normal user should want the pipe controlled, if not your bandwidth will suffer.. I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwith with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isnt about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. The Senator has the point, he just doesn't have the terminology.. | |
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horsehockey
@istation.com
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| Re: are you kidding? Um, I think Google pays for their bandwidth too. | |
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peter_m
Premium
join:2005-07-13
Canada, QC
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July 4th, @03:55AM
| said by CrazyTown :
I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwidth with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isn't about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. The Senator has the point, he just doesn't have the terminology..
Ok, Google is not swallowing everyone else bandwidth. When I use my internet access (witch I payed for with money), I access content and services offered by Google out of my own free will. Google also pays for it's access to the internet. Where is the problem? What does that have to do with your pipes?
If you don't understand how the internet functions in terms of technology and principals, try taking a networking class at your local computer science school. | |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| said by CrazyTown :
Any normal user should want the pipe controlled, if not your bandwidth will suffer.. I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwith with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isnt about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. How do you figure Google does not pay? Everyone pays for Internet access. Google Pays for very big pipes to the Internet backbone. You as a user pay for whatever speed you need.
It is a spacious argument saying they do not pay. I use a hosting service to run my site. Part of the monthly cost goes to pay for the server the other part to bandwidth transit costs. I'm sure if you asked Justin about what it costs to keep BBR on the web he would disagree that he was not paying his own way.
The wisdom embodied in Internet design is transparent bit delivery. Anyone can set up shop on the Internet to deliver new service. They are able to do so without the permission or cooperation of the network owner. That encourages experimentation an innovation.
That is what is at stake.
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| CrazyTown -- are you trolling? Your statements defy logic. Google and every other content provider pays a lot of money for their "bandwidth" to the Internet.
In the early days the bandwidth providers increased the efficiency of the pipe and lowered prices. They saw their "money grab" as luring more and more customers to connect to their transportation system. And they were successful. As prices dropped, revenue climbed as more and more customers joined.
Now with access ubiquitous, revenue growth has slowed. Instead of simply selling more, they need to figure out ways to be more efficient. But it's far easier to increase margins by raising prices than lowering costs.
Unhappy with their current lot, the bandwidth providers are seeking a way to grow revenue by redefining the landscape. While this would be as it should be in an capitalist society, I don't believe sufficient competition exists for the providers to police themselves. Wave after wave of ILEC mergers and buyouts have left us with only a few competitors. The oligopoly has spoken and they want to examine what is being transferred and charge a premium based on content value.
Their premise is that those who make more money, can pay to have their traffic prioritized. It's a sound assumption with the unfortunate side effect of potentially stifling innovation and competition in the entire tech sector. Soon bandwidth will be the key to every tech-centric business as they convert their business models from selling units to selling services.
What small businesses are asking is that our government police the oligopoly to prevent them from creating a landscape where the price of entry is so steep as to prevent all but the richest companies from providing new services. Such an environment is lazy in that it produces predictable growth and measured innovation. This would be unlike emerging world powers where government has taken a heavy hand in promoting massive communications infrastructures to ensure innovation's pace is as rapid as possible.
If we let the bandwidth providers have their way, it will be similar to the electric company charging a jewelry store (with 300% margins) more per kilowatt than a grocery store (5% margins). Not only that but in times of peak usage, the grocery store's frozen food may spoil to ensure that the jewelry store's customers always see the sparkle in that massive engagement stone.
Of course if we listen to the oligopoly, we either do this or face "clogged" pipes -- as the senator asserts. As I understand it, the Internet 2 proved that prioritization is a fools game. Although Quality of Service (QOS) prioritization schemes help in very predictable situations, the Internet 2 (like the Internet) was too unpredictable. Rather than QOS, they simply added more bandwidth and the problems vanished. | |
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: are you kidding? i agree completely with you.
While studying this net neutrality debate it raises the question, for me anyway, Could the pathetic upgrade schedule of the north american broadband have contributed to the dot com bust? I think you might be able to prove the case that their resistance to lay fiber all accross the USA may have contributed significantly to the dot com bust as consumers were completely shut out of the broadband world and therfore all but the strongest business plans were completely useless.
Do we need to be put further behind? These people act like laying fiber to the curb is a bad for them (when in reality it becomes an asset to the company). Remember in 1985 they predicted that the USA would be almost all fiber to the house by 2000. The current regualtory enviroment of oligopoly control continues to drag their feet and need to have less control not more. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| Re: are you kidding? I'm not sure laying fiber across the country is the problem. At least several years ago there were complaints that too much fiber had been installed and much of it was dark. I don't know if that's still true.
It is true, however, that an improved infrastructure to the curb (each home) has been artificially retarded by oligopolies unwilling to settle for a fair return on their investment. Rather than a fair return for their investment and having to deal with potential competitors leasing their investment (keeping prices low), they want to keep if for themselves and maximize their returns. And in a competitive environment, they have an obligation to do so for their shareholders. But fair competition does not exist. If it did, Google, Microsoft and other major content providers would not be voicing opinions. They would simply move their business to the next provider -- the way capitalism is designed to work; consumers having choices and thereby keeping vendors and providers efficient and fair.
Regarding running out of bandwidth -- the cable companies seemingly prove how ridiculous this notion is. Instead of lowering prices on existing bandwidth tiers, they keep raising the bandwidth on existing tiers. The only way this model works is if the bandwidth cost of the service is not linear (that is, as bandwidth increases, costs increase at a rate that is far less than proportional) or bandwidth represents such a small cost of the overall service that they can afford to double or even triple it speeds for the same price. Rather than running out of bandwidth, they continue to innovate by replacing equipment and modems so that they can offer increased upload and download speeds.
Although we've heard about the ILECs having improved DSL equipment to offer increased speeds over the same infrastructure, they've done next to nothing regarding these technologies. Granted, running fiber is much better but they've only recently begun doing this. And they seem to fight every competitor who wants to socialize the infrastructure and offer a community option.
I just don't trust the ILECs. They are old money and they are used to having guaranteed business, guaranteed profits and measured innovation. | |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Gives a whole new meaning to boob tube.. | |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Fuck the internet...these people are deciding the fate of this nation. I wouldn't let him pick what I put on my plate at a Chinese Buffet. | |
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join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO | That was so rediculously stupid, I couldn't even finish reading it. | |
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| wheeled
join:2004-12-31
Edmonton, AB | " And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad"
Are not these the same people deciding the direction and fate of your country...WoW! | |
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| willp1
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Las Cruces, NM | What expect from party of idiots and marons. Look at the Idiot Gw Bush | |
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join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM
·Windstream
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| Re: are you kidding? wow, you are calling other people names in a post that is nearly as retarded as the article in question...
Get a life partner...
I am a life long conservative and proud of it, and I will be the first to admit that this guy is a first class idiot when it comes to technology...but hey, he didn't invent the internet like AlGORE, so give him some time to learn the ropes. I am sure ALGORE isn't fond of sharing the secrtets of the internet with the opposition... | |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | Let's put this one to bed... Let me say this ONE LAST TIME:
AL GORE NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET!!!!
JESUS! Why can't you all get this through your thick skulls!! | |
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join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM | Re: Let's put this one to bed... Not in so many words, but he certainly took credit for its existence... | |
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join:2004-09-17
Orange, CA | Re: Let's put this one to bed... No he didn't. He spoke about how he pushed for legislation that help to bring about the Internet we know today. Everything was a bunch of text and crap, until Al Gore started telling everybody abou the "Information Superhighway" | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Brigrat : Not in so many words, but he certainly took credit for its existence... Yes, and deservedly too.
At least, Cerf and Kahn (who did invent the Internet  ) think so.
Here.
As usual when dealing with potential myths, it's wise to check with Snopes. | |
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join:2002-11-06
Cedar Springs, MI
| Your right, let's put this to bed...
Gore and the Internet
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" Gore said when asked to cite accomplishments that separate him from another Democratic presidential hopeful, former Sen. Bill Bradley of New Jersey, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.
Gore supported technological advances related to the advancement of the Internet, but to say that HE took the initiative in creating the Internet is a bit much.
(Sources: Transcript »www.wired.com/news/news/politics···390.html )
(Note: Lots of people seem to enjoy e-mailing me, professing that my information about Gore saying he "invented" the Internet is wrong, that he did support things which helped get the Internet moving, etc. First, I know he never said he "invented" the Internet. Please notice the quote above. Second, saying that he took the initiative in CREATING the Internet is still a funny statement since the Internet was already created and being used (ex: file copying via the UUCP protocol and e-mail) by the time he was elected to Congress. One can't take the "initiative" to "create" something which has already been created.) | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: are you kidding? "Get a life partner..." What? Are you telling him to be gay and get a life partner? or to "Get a life, partner..."
You are just as bad by judging him as he is calling names. But, I guess ince you are a "lige long conservative and proud of it" that you are right and everyone else is wrong?
The problems with conservatives, and dems are just as bad, is that they think "the other side" is wrong. There are two sides to every store, usually more, and each side belives only theirs is correct. It's SOOOO funny to sit back and watch you party-liners , a.k.a, ONE liners, think they have all the answers. It's no wonder neither of you guys "get it"
AS for your "give him some time to learn the ropes" comment, no... no time. His time is up! He's old, he's out dated, he's ready to retire. The guys a duck and quacking like crazy.
These people are in office to conduct our business and represent their people. Many of them fail at this on both sides and they also embarass our country just about everytime they speak.
These quotes are nothing more than an example of a horrible job they are doing. They made a great salary and to do what? Talk like a commplete idiot? Does he not have staff researching these issues? or is he just spewing out what makes sense for the ones that write his check? and I don't mean the tax payor either... I am talking about the corporate paycheck.
The guy didn't do his home work, period! He understands *nothing* or he wouldn't have sounded like an "idiot"
so, don't come here and puff up your chest about being a "life long conservative and proud of it"... say that all you want on election day.
I'm sorry to go on here but this notion that Republicans have that the other side is wrong, or retarded or that being liberal is a mental disease is just as idiotic as this Seanator. (I say all of this becuase if you are a life long conservative, you must follow party lines to a T and this is the current public diatribe at the moment. Fair is fair!)
Trying to curb an insult by throwing another or pointing out someone else's 'problem' is not a surprise. | |
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join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM
·Windstream
·WildBlue
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| Re: are you kidding? You obviously didn't read my post...I completely agree that this guy is an idiot...the learn the ropes comment was obviously a joke, get a clue...Party liner...are you kidding me? Since I am an Independant Conservative, I have no party...
If I didn't believe that I am right and everyone else is wrong, then I wouldn't BELIEVE anything...the whole concept of belief is that what you believe is right...you cannot believe somthing if you think you are wrong...but I suppose absolute truisms are a little beyond you...there must be a series of grey areas in there for you...
You just came in here, and did exactly what you are accusing me of doing...
Liberalism is not a disease, it is a religion, and a funny one at that...
Just go back to your cave, worship teachers who don't teach, and politicians who don't know what free choice is, and stay out of conversations you are to jaded to understand...
I love indignant internet morons who start every counter argument with gramatical errors...you are hilarious... | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: are you kidding? said by Brigrat :I love indignant internet morons who start every counter argument with gramatical errors...you are hilarious... I try to be...
I would think from my post that you'd see that I too am an independant.
But, if you want to say something as a joke, sometimes a after the joke helps.  | |
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Tomek
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join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY | Low Level of Education It sounds like a very uneducated person trying to explain how things works. I think we better stick with "highway" than Postal Service.
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA | Re: Low Level of Education Please tell me the reason that the reason his message seemed so garbled and incoherent was because I'm having a stroke or an aneurysm. I don't want to accept the fact that it's the way it was written, because that's just depressing. | |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| Re: Low Level of Education You too?? I wasn't sure if I looked at too much crap today, too tired, or just brain dead from a clot. Maybe Senator Stevens should have an MRI or CAT scan. 
If this is an example of other Senators and politicians and their intelligence in other matters, ie Iraq/War On Terror/etc, I'm gonna blow my brains out, seriously. | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Levittown, PA
| By tubes, he meant his feeding tube.
He should have used the anal-ogy of Large Colon with nodules and polups!
Or maybe like a gate that allows for travel...like a stargate... | |
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mr sean
Professional Infidel
Premium,ExMod 2001-07
join:2001-04-03
N. Absentia
clubs: | A series of tubes... ...that makes it easier for us to float as we are sold down river.
No wonder they believed the WMD story. | |
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xyrx
join:2001-08-07
Sacramento, CA | Re: A series of tubes... Bwahaha... I KNEW IT!! My thar internat.. it's slow cuz there ain't 'nuff suckin' goin on in thu tewbs... | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio | Re: A series of tubes... Wow, they can send people over the Interweb now? | |
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pog
Premium
join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| Not surprising... ...just depressing that our laws are being shaped by such ignorance. Still, I suppose this is nothing new.
This just reinforces my opinion to never align with any particular politician or position.
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL |  Oh Lord!
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| Desdinova
join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD
| Re: Oh Lord! Yeah, I THOUGHT this was the clownshoe that was responsible for that stupid bridge debacle. Since he loves bad analogies, here's one he can use in the future (with his poor syntax already included):
"Let's say that Google is a big hungry bear. And it's winter. Like it's winter cold 'cause it's winter. And Google's a bear. Well, the consumer who just wants to get his e-mails is a lost hunter in the cold winter woods. And let's say that hunter smeared honey on his ass to keep warm. 'Cause it's winter. What do you think that Google bear's gonna do to his tubes when he smells that sweet sweet honey?"
Good luck Ted! | |
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rjpaez
join:2000-08-27
Hialeah, FL | sad It's sad that there are so many incompetent people that are deciding the fate on something they have no clue about. | |
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| wev567
join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: sad He is not alone. Many people in power or positions of leadership, both in gov't and the private sector, have no clue how tech works or even what it is capable of. Look at Bush the 1st - he was amazed by a supermarket checkout scanner. And I doubt the CEO of Pepsi or GM could explain the internet better than ol' Ted here. | |
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| HMS1
join:2006-01-14
Austin, TX
| It will continue being a problem as long as (a) they don't know how ignorant they are and (b) they get all their information from lobbyists.
It's up to us to correct the situation. It's no use castigating them for being so clueless. Instead constituents have to write polite, short letters with clear explanations.
I'll be writing this week in favor of net neutrality and against the broadcast flag. | |
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AHomeBoy2000
join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL | TWiT They played the audio from his ramblings on This Week in Tech. It was CLASSIC! He sounds like he has no idea what he is talking about and is just trying to recite from memory something a Telco told him as they were putting money in his pocket. | |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | Re: TWiT Funny how that acronym describes exactly what he is when it
comes to technology: a Twit.
Some Congress critters shouldn't be allowed to decide
technological issues, given just how clueless they are
in these areas. | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | A bunch of tube?? Bahahaha - only in Alaska !!!
Hey, what do you expect from some dumb senator?? | |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
edit:
July 3rd, @06:06PM
| Time to make your crazy rant somewhere else Ted Stevens should be put in a nursing home. A few other senators should go to one as well.
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: Time to make your crazy rant somewhere else said by reub2000 :Ted Stevens should be put in a nursing home. A few other senators should go to one as well. Or to alcoholic rehab - Ted Kennedy. | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Mission Viejo, CA
clubs:
| Scary But True Senator Stevens splains the internets:
"I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially. […]
"They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a truck. It’s a series of tubes."
You can hear the full audio in all its frightening details here.
Stevens is not only commenting on key issues like net neutrality without understanding the issue, he’s shaping the government’s policy.
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21st C TechnoBarons.
Why Care About Media?
IANYL:TINLA | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY | Re: Scary But True The audio makes it even more frightening. The guy not only doesn't know what he's talking about, but he can't even speak clearly. | |
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tnroroc
Let's Rock
join:2001-04-25
Matawan, NJ | Re: Scary But True I can speak more clearly, after a six of Guiness. | |
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jebba2005
join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME | Help us, I dream.. We need a rogue-net. I dream of something, we can all buy or make cheaply, which can connect us all, no monthy fees, no big brother, no rules, no law, real feedom, to do as we please with our pc's. | |
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ff1324
Everybody Goes Home
Premium
join:2002-08-24
On Four Day
| Re: Help us, I dream.. said by jebba2005 :We need a rogue-net. I dream of something, we can all buy or make cheaply, which can connect us all, no monthy fees, no big brother, no rules, no law, real feedom, to do as we please with our pc's. You buying? I'm in.
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
·Cox HSI
| Re: Huh? said by dadkins :What kind of slow ass pipe does this clown have? Here's a News Flash for Teddy boy: there are services where you can DOWNLOAD movies, and if your machine has any balls & connected to a pipe worth a fu**, the movie will get there(here) pretty quick! What a piece of work!  Here's the pipe i think hes Smoking These are the tards that run our country!!!!!
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs: | uh..... hahahahahahaha! and f-ing sad that he holds some power over an issue like this. we are screwed.
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join:2001-02-22
Fort Pierre, SD
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July 3rd, @06:16PM
| clogged tubes I think Teddy needs to call a damn plumber to unclog all his clogged tubes...maybe a maid to clean the cobwebs upstairs. | |
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missileman
join:2006-05-07
Little Rock, AR | TS I just emailed him. He needs to retire immediately. | |
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AHomeBoy2000
join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL
| Discrimination Best Line:
"Until you can define (discrimination), I am opposed to the concepts that are applied by your recomendation"
Um... by nature Net neutrality is that a single service is not treated any differantly than another. I thought that was pretty simple. | |
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rudnicke
Premium
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Rantoul, IL
clubs: | Power How the hell do these people even get in power? This guy sounds like a complete idiot. | |
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