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join:2005-06-24
| What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? I wouldnt pay 9.95 for dial up when I can get dsl for 3 bux more a month...majority wouldnt either...and some isps are still charging 19.99,21.95 a month for their dial up...They are pricing themselves out of the market...
They should charge 2 or 3 bux a month for dial up, so people can use as a backup for their broadband connection.. | |
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join:2001-01-25
Matthews, NC | Re: What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? thats why there needs to be competition in DSL.. in my area there is only one phone company(alltel) and they charge $35... | |
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join:2000-05-11 | And, ironically, for that $12.99 you also get an unlimited nationwide dialup account you can use at the same time.
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Naples, FL
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| Re: What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? said by RadioDoc  :And, ironically, for that $12.99 you also get an unlimited nationwide dialup account you can use at the same time. I was bout to say that, then saw your post  | |
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join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL | The death of dialup has been growing for years now... This is to be expected. I would steal WIFI before I went back to dialup...
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join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY | Nonsense. Nearly anyone can get dialup for $5/month but Broadband is usually about $40. Dialup is a much better deal.
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? You must be a horrible shopper. DSL is available for under half that in a lot of places.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? said by RadioDoc :You must be a horrible shopper. DSL is available for under half that in a lot of places. yeah but only if its 'NAKED DSL'. else when you put all the BS fees associated with POTS it approaches the price of cable.
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| Re: What do you expect when Dial-up is 9.95 and dsl is 12.99? I pay $16 for POTS. So even with that it's still less than $30, and since we're comparing with dialup you'd need the POTS line anyway so it's a wash.
Cable HSI is $45+ IF you have TV.
No contest.
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join:2001-01-25
Matthews, NC
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| used to be me:-D That used to be me(after i left earthlink high speed)... until i got the AOL High SPeed... i have to say, i'm glad to be back... i'm glad aol started that... the price is what was keeping me from returning to high speed... i'm no power user, and couldn't figure spending $45 a month just for email, banking and stuff like that... now i'm going to make phone calls over it, so its a money saver... | |
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neosolace
Stay In It
join:2003-08-25
Verbena, AL | ... What's going to nab those remaining dial-up laggards to broadband? Video, suggests the firm. How about availability?.... That might do the trick! | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: ... Silly! The FCC says we've already slayed that dragon! | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: ... Nielsen has apparently found a smaller dragon...they define "broadband" as anything above 56 kbps. Some here might disagree.
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
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| Re: ... Yeah, these definitions of 'broadband' are ridiculous.
FCC says 200kbps is 'Broadband'
Jupiter says 256kbps is 'Broadband'
Nielsen claims >56kbps is 'Broadband'
WTF comes up with this BS?
IMHO, anything under 768K is NOT broadband, and 768k is just barely passing. | |
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
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join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
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| Re: ... said by pabster :FCC says 200kbps is 'Broadband'... You got it in there while I was composing... 
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clubs: | I think it's closer to 1.5 Megabits BOTH WAYS. | |
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Lubbock, TX | Re: ... So almost no one is on broadband by your idea of it... | |
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Gods lend wings to tainted hearts
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join:2000-03-02 | I'd be impressed with even 768kbps as an official classification, and yes, I'd love to see FCC penetration stats with that unit of measurement. 50%? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: ... said by The Folsom :said by RadioDoc :Nielsen has apparently found a smaller dragon...they define "broadband" as anything above 56 kbps. Some here might disagree. I'm with "some here".  Nielsen is not the FCC... FCC's (general) definition of broadband is: "High-speed Internet access or “broadband” allows users to access the Internet and Internet-related services at significantly higher speeds than those available through “dial-up” Internet access services. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) generally defines broadband service as data transmission speeds exceeding 200 kilobits per second (Kbps), (bold added by poster) or 200,000 bits per second, in at least one direction: downstream (from the Internet to your computer) or upstream (from your computer to the Internet)." So a 1-way cable modem with carrier pidgeon return is broadband? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| So does that mean they include all Sprint Vision (CDMA2000 1x), Verizon NationalAccess (CDMA2000 1x), Tmobile EDGE, and Cingular EDGE, LET ALONE the next gens like EVDO/HSPDA users as Broadband users? That might as well be ALL the cellular phones out there lol. | |
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ieee1394
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join:2001-08-25
Washington
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| And then there's rural America.... Round where I live these days there ain't nothin' but dialup. Well, I guess there's satellite but let's be honest...that's just a half-baked (nicest term I could use here) compromise.
Yup, despite the availability of federal grants to wire the countryside in the trickier territory (trees, hills, and other obstacles) there's still nothing being done and there won't be. Too few people and too low density translate to: not worth it for the private sector.
There's plenty of people that would buy broadband (and I mean cable, dsl, fiber) if it were available. But it won't happen in a place where spending on public agenda (like education, transportation, communication) take a back seat to spending on military and bogus security boondoggles.
Dial up will NEVER die at this pace. These stories/studies are just plain stupid. And wrong. | |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
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| Re: And then there's rural America.... Well since the broadband industry shuns rural America dial-up will never die. For many beyond the corner of Villa Marie Rd. and Bedford Rd. around here the internet options are the same as they were since internet access was first introduced. With the exception of satellite, which you may as well bend over and give them your wallet during installation, in fact even the more wealthy people around here I've talked to won't spend their money on sattelite, it's just ridiculously expensive. No wireless ISPs around here either. Sadly all AT&T needs to do is put a small DSLAM in the cross-box on New Castle Rd. and Bedford Rd. and virtually everyone out of the Lowellville CO before the Hubbard, Campbell, or Youngstown CO exchanges would qualify for DSL.
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Luka1
join:2001-10-30
Index, WA
| said by ieee1394 :Round where I live these days there ain't nothin' but dialup. Dial up will NEVER die at this pace. These stories/studies are just plain stupid. And wrong. Exactly.
Where I live, I cannot get cable, I cannot get dsl, I cannot even get satellite.
Cable has not come out this far.
Verizon refuses to install DSL, even though their own regional engineer told me that all they have to do is plug the correct controller card into the station less than one mile from my home. They are telling me that I have to wait ten years or more, and get broadband on fiber optic. Something that may possibly be installed in about ten years...
Satellite... I am on the north side of a very steep ridge. There are NO satelites within my range. It would take a very large tower, and thousands of dollars worth of equipment to get the signal. A signal that would be constantly degraded by the constant rain and clouds here, anyway. (I also happen to live in a "rain well". A place where the clouds coming from the coast, pile up, and have to let off their rain to get over the mountains. In ten days, I get 7 days of rain, on average. Gold Bar, just 8 miles away only fets 3, bt comparison...
Bottom line... I do not -refuse- to stop using dialup. (And I pay 20 dollars a month for it.) I simply have no choice. | |
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join:2002-04-29
Columbus, OH
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: And then there's rural America.... said by Luka1 :Bottom line... I do not -refuse- to stop using dialup. (And I pay 20 dollars a month for it.) I simply have no choice. Move maybe? Sounds like a pretty depressing place to be with all that rain. | |
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join:2006-03-04
Saint Paul, MN
| said by Luka1 :said by ieee1394 :Round where I live these days there ain't nothin' but dialup. Dial up will NEVER die at this pace. These stories/studies are just plain stupid. And wrong. Exactly. Where I live, I cannot get cable, I cannot get dsl, I cannot even get satellite. Cable has not come out this far. Verizon refuses to install DSL, even though their own regional engineer told me that all they have to do is plug the correct controller card into the station less than one mile from my home. He says that to everyone. He drinks way too much.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by Luka1 :said by ieee1394 :Round where I live these days there ain't nothin' but dialup. Dial up will NEVER die at this pace. These stories/studies are just plain stupid. And wrong. Exactly. Where I live, I cannot get cable, I cannot get dsl, I cannot even get satellite. Cable has not come out this far. See if your county's franchise agreemnt has universal service rules, or madatory extensions or if there is a certain density the cable co must wire it.
Verizon refuses to install DSL, even though their own regional engineer told me that all they have to do is plug the correct controller card into the station less than one mile from my home. They are telling me that I have to wait ten years or more, and get broadband on fiber optic. Something that may possibly be installed in about ten years...
Sounds like your RT isnt DSL capable and VZ will never roll a truck. The engineer must have been talking about FiOS. If your dont have cable tv, i highly doubt you will get FiOS before you get cable tv. 10 years sounds about right as Verizon said FiOS will be avaible everywhere in 15 years, 1 year later they said the majority of its service area will have FiOS in 15 years and not 100% of Verizon customer will get FiOS since some areas will be too long and distent to wire or other technical reasons will be impracticle or rediculosly expensive to install. I think it means, Verizon wont ever put FiOS in a area where there is NO cable tv, since if the cable co didnt wire it for whatever reason (not enough people, or too expensive), the reason is mostly likly valid and logical to Verizon too.
Satellite... I am on the north side of a very steep ridge. There are NO satelites within my range. It would take a very large tower, and thousands of dollars worth of equipment to get the signal. A signal that would be constantly degraded by the constant rain and clouds here, anyway. (I also happen to live in a "rain well". A place where the clouds coming from the coast, pile up, and have to let off their rain to get over the mountains. In ten days, I get 7 days of rain, on average. Gold Bar, just 8 miles away only fets 3, bt comparison...
Bottom line... I do not -refuse- to stop using dialup. (And I pay 20 dollars a month for it.) I simply have no choice.
Tried bonding 56K modems? Do u even get 56k or like 20k? What about cellphone internet? | |
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| golightly
join:2006-06-23
Inglewood, CA
| Well this is not just a problem for rural users. I live in a suburb of Los Angeles, CA. I just recently moved about a mile and a half from where I previously lived.
I was told I could not get DSL from SBC because I live too far from the CO (central office).Put it this way, on one side of the street is LA and the other is Inglewood. I just happen to live in Inglewood, so tought turkey toenails.
I just paid over 600,000 bucks for this home and I can't get DSL or a pizza delivered. | |
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join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: And then there's rural America.... 600 LARGE for a home in Inglewood?
Lemme guess-was previously where the Laker's played, right?
I.E. The "Fabulous" Forum.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | How Can This Possibly Be True? I thought broadband in the USA was so awful, so lame, so pathetic, so third-worldly that no one here would ever possibly want to use it!
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: How Can This Possibly Be True? An excellent troll, but I think you could stand to throw something in there about how people who want to improve the nation's telecom infrastructure drink sheep's blood and don't support the troops.
Might be more effective. I'm here to help. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Shoot 56Ker's in mouths and temples just yahoo troll humor but forreal at this rate America will NEVER see 100mps up and down connections :-( | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | 56K is free Why do people still pay for dial up unless there is some routing-ping advantage, which would be minimal anyway. | |
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technoblab
join:2006-06-22
Seneca, SC
| BELLSOUTH....Whats in it for them.... Bellsouth will not bring DSL where I live until the majority of the homeowners commit to purchasing the service. All they want is the money. Same with the cable companies.
Everytime I talk to Bellsouth about DSL in my area, they tell me to go around and recuit my neighbors. I'm not going to do their job for them. They go directly to the money. I even live within 1.5 miles from their PBX.
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| Re: BELLSOUTH....Whats in it for them.... hahahaha! You're kidding me right? Please tell me you're kidding me.
When you talk to them they tell you to go around and recruit your neighbors then you'll get service?
My god, what is this..some kind of an Amway organization now?
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join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| Re: BELLSOUTH....Whats in it for them.... bellsouth hell its that way with SBC/ATT what ever your flavor on the name is. I live in a large neighborhood. Where everyine that I know in the neighborhood has called and asked over and over for an upgrade so we can get dsl but nope not happening and the sad thing is we are not in the rural country we are in the city with 13000 other people but we are just not part of thier "plans" and dont sayw ell get some other form of broadband nope notta nothing else but dial up and please dont make me laugh with saying satallite | |
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join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Rick, u are a complete putz. You CONSTANTLY bash the telco's for their " introductory pricing" as if the cable co's dont have it either. I have seen OOL and TWC triple play packages go from $99 to $140+ after a year. You talk as if there'so fine print on the bottom of cable advertisements.
I have had DSL for almost 6 years and have always paid rock bottom prices and always a much better deal than cable. Speeds always constant, no downtime and NO CAPS. All anyone has to do is renew when the yearly contract is up. All you need is half a brain to understand this concept. So the question is, can you understand what Ive written ? I think not, and I look forward to your next "telco intro pricing" bashing. | |
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rob_in_chatt
Premium
join:2004-09-17
Chattanooga, TN | broadband a good definition for myself for broadband is this... if you listen to streaming music off the internet, and you can not listen to it continously at 256 kbps bitrate or higher, then you are not on broadband. | |
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CylonRed
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
| dialup sill never disappear.... too many areas have no other way to get online - my dad's house in Spring Valley, Ohio and he can't get DSL, no cable where he is unless he can get others in the area to get cable then pay about $1K/house just to get hooked up, and he does not have a free SW line of sight for sattelite.
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join:2003-11-17
Green Bay, WI
| Re: dialup sill never disappear.... I lived with dialup access from 1995 (when it became available where I was) to 2003 when I moved out of rural Northern Wisconsin. My mother still lives up that way and with the crappy phone lines depending on how wet the weather has been it may take 6 or 7 attempts to get a connection and when you do its anywhere from 26.4 to 44k and that's about it. While I lived there I tried satellite and have the same opinion as previous posters. There are (were) unreasonable bandwidth caps and its EXTREMELY expensive for the speed it delivers and at that time it was 1-way satellite so you had to have dialup anyway. It was nice for downloads of large files once it started but slow to begin and if you went over your caps or they felt you used too much speed for too long of a period of time you were cut to sub-56k speeds. I don't know if this is how it works yet but that's how it was back in the earlier part of this decade. | |
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LoneGreyWolf
Premium
join:2002-09-09
Bath, NY
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| Is it still tolerates or has to tolerate dial-up?? I wonder if we're starting to get down into the area where people have no other choice, but to keep dial-up? it would make sense since I don't ever believe that we will have 100% coverage in this country.
I wish there was something that can be done to spur companies to deploy broadband even in areas that they deem not profitable. Last tech I talked to a few weeks ago said there are many people would love to have DSL from Verizon, but Verizon doesn't want to spend the money in Upstate NY. They could cut costs by using C/Os and R/Ts that have been replaced by FIOS in areas that don't have a broadband connection. Use the used equipment. Especially since I have been told that FIOS won't even be coming to my area. | |
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Razgriz
Pandora rocks
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join:2005-05-31
Fayetteville, NC
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| Wow I couldn't imagine going back to dial-up, ever. More and more, sites cater to those who use broadband, so it's getting harder to surf the web using dial-up. I feel sorry for those who have to endure such painfully slow internet. I know all too well how much dial-up sucks. | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: Wow said by Razgriz :I couldn't imagine going back to dial-up, ever. More and more, sites cater to those who use broadband, so it's getting harder to surf the web using dial-up. I feel sorry for those who have to endure such painfully slow internet. I know all too well how much dial-up sucks. Tell that to all the user who can't get broadband...
It is not a necessity, neither is dialup but dialup is everywhere even cable user can use it during downtime...
Like floppy drive, it is use to bootup the computer
see the pattern and its usefulness? | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| Some people Just don't want even the internet I have a couple relatives like that
They didn't grow up with it & it didn't impact them at their jobs, so they say 'why bother'. And a lot of people [mostly the elderly] only want it for email, to keep in touch with their kids [although with digital photography becoming so popular, you need broadband for that]. And then, there are people who live in a 'broadband black hole' and dial up is the only thing they've got. | |
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The Gizmo
join:2002-03-12
Pearland, TX
| Tolerated? I don't think it's a matter of whether that 28% tolerate it, it's more like a lot of them (like myself) have no other choice than dialup because the Telco and Cable companies have overlooked them (and frankly don't care about the people they overlook in some developments), or they live in the boonies.
For me, I refuse to use dialup. So I'm forced to dish out more money than 7 DSL subscribers for speeds that are lucky to be a 10th of the speed for just one of those subscribers (ISDN). I guess life just isn't fair. | |
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kirbywise
@redrivernet.com
| Dialup still here I live in a very rural area in Arizona where you either have satelitte or dialup. Or DSL, if you can afford that.
Satelitte is still too expensive for me right now and so stuck with dialup with outdated phonelines. Run 24,000 to 26,400 with a 56k modem and too far from the telephone switching station to get anything faster from my provider.
A local computer store owner is looking into getting our county seat to back a Wireless setup for the area. In town there, it is Cable or dialup. But at 33 miles away, I am too far to get Cable.
Verizon offers Wireless for "text messaging only" in my immediate area but it is not for computer use here yet. Reason? Not enough people to offer it here yet.
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Trinijoy
Premium
join:2005-09-12
Brick, NJ
| Who cares Basically DSL is T1 but a little worse. Cable is a T1 with slow upload bandwidth. FIOS is better then a T1. When FIOS comes out in my area. Screw my cable Modem, They have the monopoly and rip you off. But when FIOS is available,I am going to that. | |
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mworks
join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC
| No other choice The state of broadband is really sad in rural america.
Sprint, oh sorry, embarq, says the area I live in isn't capable of broadband, theres no infrastructure.
I asked an engineer about why there are post all over the county beside the roads labled "Buried Fiber Optic Cable, Call
Before Digging" . I was informed this is mostly dark fiber and that the cost to make it active is just too high. Sad.
This is why dialup will not die.
I wonder if anyone has even bothered to see if a newer type of modem could be developed to obtain higher transfer rates over the existing telephone lines. Maybe some stronger compression that wasn't possible years ago when the 56k standard was adopted. Probably not, they all think, whats the problem just get broadband. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Video doesn't matter Video isn't going to push the other 28% into broadband. The VAST majority of those 28% have NO OTHER CHOICE but dial-up. Satelite doesn't count because shelling out $600 for installation and $60 a month for 256 kbps is not an option, it's a rip off. Cable and DSL aren't coming to the boonies. They'd be there already if they were. And until satelite gets it's butt in gear and enters the 21st centuray and provides REAL broadband access at REASONABLE prices, then that 28% number isn't going to drop much. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 |  (topic offline) Where's Geraldo Rivera? It's time for a BBR Expo
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | And it will continue to die When DSL is only 14.95/month. | |
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LoneGreyWolf
Premium
join:2002-09-09
Bath, NY
clubs: | Re: And it will continue to die It will never really die as long as Telcos and Cable Companies continue to shun those that are in rural areas. As expressed right here in this discussion, Sat just isn't worth it and when it's that or dial-up, dial-up will continue to stay alive. | |
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