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artulo
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Madison, WI
| Re: They I'm sure they'll at least be in contact with the offending US agency that pushed them to do the deed. Also, I'm not at all surprised at this story or the fact that servers that didn't belong to TPB were taken.
Why'd they take so long to complain? If one of the servers were mine, I'd be there the day it happened and on the phone with a lawyer. | |
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Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| Re: They said by backness  :most property that is seized by authorities is never seen by the owner again... Not true, the only property not seen by the owner again is the owner that went to jail as a result. | |
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Barrington, IL | Re: They They have to return it but you must go get it(after having an attorney take them to court) and they make life a living hell forever after you do. | |
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North Andover, MA | I heard about this the day it happened.. they didn't take "so long to complain" at all. This is just old news rehashed. | |
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join:2004-06-24
Regina, SK
| Re: They Kind of - the article says to me that the people on the receiving end of the "collateral damage" are now seeking compensation for the way they were tread upon, rather than just complaining about it.
Regardless of ones view of TPB, one has to admit that the raid seems to have been poorly handled, and the only ones not hurt by it appear to be TPB itself, who has grown stronger.
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by artulo :I'm sure they'll at least be in contact with the offending US agency that pushed them to do the deed. And the RIAA's response will be "Well we didn't force you to do it. It's not our fault you took down too much."
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yock
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Fairfield, OH | said by Anonuser :Should pass that bill onto the **AA's Why? | |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
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| Re: They said by yock :Why? the mpaa/riaa are lobbying u.s. politicians to pressure other nations into going after p2p sites such as piratebay.
said by Quote from an article :
Officials from the State Department, the Department of Commerce and the U.S. trade representative's office told visitors from the Swedish Ministry of Justice in April that Sweden was harboring one of the world's biggest Web sites for enabling the massive and unauthorized distribution of movies, music and games. The lobbying (and general) tactics the riaa/mpaa use are considered to be sleazy by most ppl, and lobbying itself is debatable as a form of bribery.
It is difficult for people to condone the tactics the riaa/mpaa uses. If for example the electric company or farming company wanted to hike up prices, and lobbied congress to make it easier for them to do so-that may be sleazy but those two industries are considered modern necessities. The mpaa/riaa represent the entertainment industry, something most people see as a luxury.
It is troubling to watch our government waste time and money on a mission which serves the interest of big corporations, that have paid off a few people.
It is twice as troubling to watch them do it for an industry that we don't need to survive.
It is three times as troubling to watch them fumble around trying to take down the piratebay.
said by Same article :
In Russia, the government's inability, or reluctance, to shut down another unauthorized file-sharing site may prevent that nation's entrance into the World Trade Organization, as effective action against intellectual property theft tops the U.S. government's list of requirements for Russian WTO membership.
It is also sad that a few ultra rich people in beverly hills can effect 100 million people like that. | |
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join:2003-10-21
Edmonton, AB
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| Re: They it does seem rather moronoic for the mpaa to lobby for another country to remove a server, that appears to have broken no laws in the country its hosted in.
you would of thought someone would of researched that, what did they expect would happen? | |
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| said by 53059959 :said by yock :Why? the mpaa/riaa are lobbying u.s. politicians to pressure other nations into going after p2p sites such as piratebay. That is absurd. It isn't RI/MPAA's fault that the police screwed the proverbial pooch and took equipment not covered in the warrant. If the equipment was covered in the warrant, then the fault lies with the body that signed the warrant.
Hate them all you want for their tactics, I don't care, but don't blame them for stupid shit in which they had no part.
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| Re: They said by Tsume :MPAA could have payed the Swedish Police. You forget that possibility. Why in the hell would they pay the police to damage property not related to their goal? It doesn't at all benefit them. Not only is that notion pure speculation and unsupported by fact, but it's asinine too.
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
| said by yock :Hate them all you want for their tactics, I don't care, but don't blame them for stupid shit in which they had no part. They had no part? Think again Yock.
The MPAA and/or RIAA played a major role in getting this snowball effect started with their tactics.
They were proudly patting themselves on the back for being responsible for TPB going down for what was it 2-3 days max ? They caused it to happen,They bare the brunt of responsibility
They,the MPAA and or RIAA ARE the key core players, YES they are to blame.
It's sad to see you fail to understand that key element
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| >...lobbying itself is debatable as a form of bribery.
Only some forms of lobbying. If you go down to your city councilor and lay out why you think the corner of Elm and Dupont needs stop lights, THAT IS LOBBYING. You'll note that at no time does a white envelope ever cross the desk. | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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| Re: They said by Mormonic :
>...lobbying itself is debatable as a form of bribery.
Only some forms of lobbying. If you go down to your city councilor and lay out why you think the corner of Elm and Dupont needs stop lights, THAT IS LOBBYING. You'll note that at no time does a white envelope ever cross the desk.
I believe he's talking about the type where you contribute to the city councilor's re-election fund as soon as he approves the stop lights.. | |
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join:2001-07-08
Excelsior Springs, MO | what goes around... LMAO this is priceless | |
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R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
1 edit | oops I can bet my house the RIAA and the MPAA will claim "That's what they get for being 'associated' with copyright pirates". When asked for clariffication on "being associated", they will claim that they should have known better than to host their websites on a server that also hosted illegal operations (or was near one that hosted illegal operations).
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: oops Exactly.
You can also bet the Swedish police will be a bit more careful about listening to the RIAA and MPAA next time.  | |
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Bill
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1 edit | They probably cleaned out the whole rack thinking all the servers belonged to them.
Why wasn't someone from the data center there making sure they only took the right servers?
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Zaber
When all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
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| Re: oops said by Bill :Why wasn't someone from the data center there making sure they only took the right servers? From what I remember reading TPB's servers were clearly marked as such. The police just cleaned out racks not even paying attention to what they were taking.
A cleaver move actually, force an exodus from TPB's host for fear of another raid. In order to keep a customer base TPB's host would have to dump TPB to guarantee that any clients would never be taken down as a collateral damage in an attack against TPB again.
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1 edit | Re: oops If someone from the host was present at the time of the raid and allowed them to take servers other than TPB's, I'd be very angry at them, not the police. It'd be enough for me to ditch them and move to another host.
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1 edit | Re: oops Personally, if I was working at the host, I would show the police which servers to take, and then let them do whatever they want. Its not worth a police record or imprisonment for interfering.
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join:2003-01-03
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clubs: | That is if you actually believe the police would have listened to the worker. Who knows, they may have arrested him/her for being an accessory, after all, that is was the **AAs seem to think. | |
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TransitMan
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join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
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| said by Bill :They probably cleaned out the whole rack thinking all the servers belonged to them. Why wasn't someone from the data center there making sure they only took the right servers? When served with a seizure order, the police do not care what they take, regardless of what was marked in the data center. The search and seizure warrant probably spelled out to take everything, and both the police and courts were unaware that other servers not associated with TPB would be in there. And if - I SAY IF - someone was there from the data center, they were probably told to be quiet or face a trip to jail for obstruction.
Bottom line is, both the MPAA and RIAA did not have their information in order, went to the police and courts with what they thought they knew and obtained the search and seizure order.
This will bite not only the police, but the court who OKed the raid, the prosecuting attorney who pursued the courts OK, and finally the MPAA/RIAA for wilfully disclosing untruthful and erroeous information that led to them being sued.
And as for the people who host their sites at a particular location that is legit, make sure you have back-ups pf your sites info, just in case it happens again.
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| said by Bill :They probably cleaned out the whole rack thinking all the servers belonged to them. Why wasn't someone from the data center there making sure they only took the right servers? Not that i find it right what the police did but would you trust anyone telling you ohh yea don't take that one its for other sites.I would think as soon as they heard that they would of taken that one to lest i would of.
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| thats the upside to if they had used 1U racks they would have needed a datacenter worker to remove them because i doubt the cops could just start unscrewing things without knowing how to power the center down properly(besides that would risk damage to evidence).
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| Re: oops Assuming their servers were in a fairly large data center with adequate security measures, they would have also needed someone to let them into the building, elevator, suite and cage.
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | This is 'Containment' of the RIAA kind. Go get'em, tiger! | |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
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| Sloppy police work It's a worldwide problem.
Many people like to blame the lawyers for criminals getting off on a technicality, but the truth is most of the time criminals walk due to sloppy police work.
Police should have to take at least one or two years of law school as part of their training. There is more to law enforcment than going in with guns blazin' and getting the bad guy. | |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | knew it was coming I saw this coming from a mile away I hope they all have to pay hefty fees. | |
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RandomSCGVBV
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Virginia Beach, VA | Collateral damage... "10 companies suing over outage"
That's not quite right...
"10 companies suing over outrage"
That's better. | |
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Jrmntr
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join:2004-01-10
Vancouver, BC
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| Re: Collateral damage... said by RandomSCGVBV :" 10 companies suing over outage" That's not quite right... " 10 companies suing over outrage" That's better. Why is that better?
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| Re: Collateral damage... said by Jrmntr :Why is that better? Because that's what it is. I don't like weasel words, and I feel they should come right out and say it.
Say what you will about The Pirate Bay, but this raid shows a stunning level of incompetence on the part of local law enforcement. It's as if I went up to the cop on the street corner, said "that cashier just stiffed me $5," and he called in the SWAT team and arrested everyone in the shop.
This was not a military operation, and The Pirate Bay posed no physical threat to any living beings, so "collateral damage" was unacceptable. Period.
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Rogue Wolf
Is Sponsored By DJO Apple Juice
join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY
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| Why sue?! (sarcasm) I mean, obviously, if these companies had their sites hosted on the same servers as Pirate Bay, then they were willfully and knowingly associating with CRIMINALS! The RIAA and MPAA should sue THEM!
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Troy, MI | Re: Why sue?! (sarcasm) Long live The Pirate Bay! | |
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FiL
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| Cox Cable hit the nail on the head with this statement:
"It is also sad that a few ultra rich people in beverly hills can effect 100 million people like that."
This to me sums up the US's involvment with the raid and how money rules government, not people or their "needs". People fear the Gov. but i wish the Gov. feared the people...imagine that............. | |
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imtim83
Hurricane Katrina was awesome. So ha.
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join:2001-06-03
Kenner, LA | Re: Cox Cable We need a V for Vendetta moment somehow! Of course a peaceful one though. Still can have normal fireworks though lol. | |
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Renaak
join:2006-03-12
Seattle, WA
| Not a new practice Nothing new here... similar seizures have happened for twenty plus years when piracy is involved.
Friends busted in US and Germany, for computer game piracy, would routinely have video camera, VCR, etc. taken by police.
It's just moved from consumer goods taken to extra servers.
It sucks, yes. | |
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XoLiMiT
join:2001-10-04
Newark, NJ
| ok i don't think they will win in court because no host guarantees 100% up-time only 99.9% or 99.8% reasons such as this i would say. Then again it was the police's negligence in taking down and removing the wrongly label Rack without paying attention to warrant detail which must have stated The Pirate Bay Servers TPB only. I am sure they won't want to pay out to 10 companies(so far) so they will figure out a way not to pay it out. If they pay out 1 they have to pay out the other 9, plus the little guy that didn't bother to sue yet. | |
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