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I just wonder how Swedish courts will decide.
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Valley Stream, NY | Re: Got smart When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there.
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Valley Stream, NY | Re: Got smart Also I heard that fair use became a crime. Recently price fixing and monopolies became popular. And your point is?
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2 edits | Re: Got smart You people are joking right? I mean most of us have done at least some form of p2p at some time or another. It's easy, and it's free. But, if you don't see the fact that what you're doing is wrong, then you've crossed the line into the criminal mindset. You're stealing stuff, stuff that hardworking people put effort into. Whether or not you agree with the business practices the companies that produce the stuff partake in is irrelevant. It doesn't give you the "right" to do anything. And while the lines defining what is and isn't legal are very blurred due to the fast paced world of technology and the slow moving beast that is the legislatures of various countries, a person's unwillingness to accept the fact that what they are doing is wrong is abhorrent. I know that when I download a song that it's wrong, as well as a movie, or a computer game. I still try to buy all of the aforementioned things as well. I don't really care if all of you like to torrent everything in the entire world, and fill terabytes of hard drive space full of it, but if you aren't even willing to accept the fact that what you're doing is wrong, then we've got a whole different problem.
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| I refuse to buy something I cannot use the same way as I did before. I used to go, buy a CD, but when I ditched oversized CD player, I moved all of it to computer via LAME's MP3. So does it make me a criminal, because according to DRM I SHOULDN'T do that. We can keep on arguing.
I started using bittorrent to download live sets and video clips. The stuff you watch for free on TV or hear on the radio. How is that different from TiVo?
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| I guess I know its wrong, but I also believe the way the MPAA and RIAA operate is wrong. It's not like you'd steal bread from a poor old lady, but downloading a movie/tv show/album from people that are way the hell richer then I am, really hasn't ever ranked in my ethics rankings a top infraction.
to me its nothing more then a misdemanour. Its not like alot of people don't buy cd's/dvds, I have a pretty big collection of store bought stuff, but you can only afford so much.
You see how much these fuckers are making, the RIAA and MPAA being the middlemen, and it makes you want to gag.
That being said, its not illegal everywhere. Its not illegal to share albums in Canada, and its rather ambigous whether or not the same law protects films. Ever noticed theres never any lawsuits here in Canada? Our copyright laws are so friggin old, they don't cover most modern technology, and the music sharing on p2p case that makes it legal, equates p2p as the same thing as a photocopier in a library.
we also have a levy on all blank media (well audio media, like cd's, audio tapes), which is supposed to go the artists.
So just because somethings illegal in the USA, doesn't make the rest of the world hethens.
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| said by mishaq  :You people are joking right? I mean most of us have done at least some form of p2p at some time or another. It's easy, and it's free. But, if you don't see the fact that what you're doing is wrong, then you've crossed the line into the criminal mindset. You're stealing stuff, stuff that hardworking people put effort into. Whether or not you agree with the business practices the companies that produce the stuff partake in is irrelevant. It doesn't give you the "right" to do anything. And while the lines defining what is and isn't legal are very blurred due to the fast paced world of technology and the slow moving beast that is the legislatures of various countries, a person's unwillingness to accept the fact that what they are doing is wrong is abhorrent. I know that when I download a song that it's wrong, as well as a movie, or a computer game. I still try to buy all of the aforementioned things as well. I don't really care if all of you like to torrent everything in the entire world, and fill terabytes of hard drive space full of it, but if you aren't even willing to accept the fact that what you're doing is wrong, then we've got a whole different problem.
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join:2005-09-01 | Aiding and abetting copyright theft isn't a crime in sweden, the swedish police were just harassed into seizing the servers. | |
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1 edit | said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there. Aiding and abetting is also a crime. At least the Swedish police think so. At least the swedish police think so...okwhatever.
so if a cop think you a reckless driver you're going to agree with that as well???
I see a lack of intellgence
haha that's for a good humor
rock on!!!
btw, they can think whatever they wanna think but it's all BS up your asses. i smell fear in you and ya just saying what they want you to say... did they bribe you to say this? hmm... | |
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| Re: Got smart said by attsbcisgay :said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there. Aiding and abetting is also a crime. At least the Swedish police think so. IS THIS A CRIMINAL MATTER OR A CIVIL MATTER??? HELLO??? In Sweden, apparently it is a criminal case. Whereas in the US it is civil.
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2 edits | Re: Got smart said by Desdinova :Nah, he's just steamed because his corporate masters got whacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. It's propaganda to kill sharing to limit our freedom.
This is evil.
who has to gain? the few that wants everyone to fear them
who losses? the majority, the sheep who are poor, clueless and being fleeced like a monkey, no clue whatever lol how it is all rigged in front of their nose to benefit the private investor.
I only know a few amendment that's enough to stick them up the horse butt
1. free speech
2. right to bear arms
3. no illegal search and seizure
There's a lot more of our rights that is in danger of being infringed that most Americans need to learn this very important basic fundamental principle otherwise their
royally screwed up the their ass for not knowing it.
where is our rights to privacy?
where is our rights to say fu*koff?
we don't need anyone to stick their nose into someones private business.
Do most even care what the bill of rights say anymore? Have we all forgotten? Bad memory? Too much television?
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| Re: Got smart maybe you should car a bit more about what the bill of rights says. The first amendment concerns only the government restricting speech - there is no right to free speech in civil matters.
What in the world does the right to bear arms have to do with it?
The search was made under the privileges granted by a warrant - just like the (U.S.) constitution provides.
Someone who provides an index to facilitate downloading someone else's copyrighted material is aiding and abetting a civil or criminal wrong.
To put it in simple terms - Pirate Bay has no right to do what they are doing, they got busted, and they will be shut down again, lawfully. | |
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Then you are saying google should be busted because it shows you the link?
Wow, that's so great, so we cannot have a search engine anymore. | |
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| Re: Got smart No, that is nothing like a valid comparison.
Pirate Bay exists to offer access to sources that violate international copyright laws.
There is a difference between Sears selling a pair of pliers that can be used, among other things, to pry open a lock, and a maker of burglary tools. | |
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| Re: Got smart said by K Patterson :No, that is nothing like a valid comparison. Pirate Bay exists to offer access to sources that violate international copyright laws. There is a difference between Sears selling a pair of pliers that can be used, among other things, to pry open a lock, and a maker of burglary tools. And that would be???
Burglary tools are pliers, screwdrivers, pry-bars, and etcetera.
This is not a good metaphor for this argument.
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1 edit | "Someone who provides an index to facilitate downloading someone else's copyrighted material is aiding and abetting a civil or criminal wrong."
Absolute nonsense. By using that logic sharing information is the problem. Okay, then that means I can sue the MPAA out of existence for making films that do THE EXACT SAME DAMN THING. Hey, Gone in 60 Seconds goes into great detail about exactly how to steal a car, so when my car got stolen, that was Hollywood's fault and they owe me a new one.
Hey! That's a great idea! Anyone want to put together a class-action lawsuit? | |
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| said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there. Aiding and abetting is also a crime. At least the Swedish police think so. if we used your logic then it could be assumed that car dealerships aid and abet hit & run drivers, DUI's, speeding tickets, vehicular manslaughter, assualt with a deadly weapon, narcotics trafficing, etc. etc. because they sell cars to the general public that then misuses them through intentional or accidental means... therefore posting bittorrent links for people to use or misuse is aiding and abetting a crime...? really...? | |
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| They actually dont. The US imposed their laws on another country. It is really a big scandal over there.
Before that happened however, the article states the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of Amercia) requested that the United States Department of Justice (US DOJ) take action against ThePirateBay.org.
During a visit to the United States in April, the Swedish Minister of Justice Thomas Bodström was pressured by unspecified elements of the US government to eliminate ThePirateBay.org. Six weeks later, ThePirateBay.org was taken off line in a controversial raid that also claimed 200-300 other domains.
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| said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there. Aiding and abetting is also a crime. At least the Swedish police think so. Might as well arrest google while you're at it, genius. | |
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| said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :When you think about it, they do nothing wrong, all the do is link to torrents, if the site will be shutdown the torrents will be still there. Aiding and abetting is also a crime. At least the Swedish police think so. There's nothing like that.
Also you're confusing your US masters - those who are paying for your for-corporate trolling astroturf online activities like this pathtetic trolling - with Swedish Police...
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| Re: Got smart said by onsitede :Ahhh... I see your view is guilty until proven innocent? Well, at least until it enters the realm of corporate corruption interests. Why exactly is it we should hang the P2Pers before we review the evidence, but AT&T's wiretapping allegations should be brushed aside? | |
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|  Re: Got smart
said by Thaler :said by onsitede :Ahhh... I see your view is guilty until proven innocent? Well, at least until it enters the realm of corporate corruption interests. Why exactly is it we should hang the P2Pers before we review the evidence, but AT&T's wiretapping allegations should be brushed aside? That's a damn good question AquaBlaze. Thank You, mabye that will give some people something to think about.
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| Ok, it all depends on you point of view. See many of us believe that file trading shouldn't be illegal, and in fact isn't illegal.
Piracy involves an exchange of Money in my point of view. File trading has no such exchange and is therefore not , and therefore should not be, illegal. | |
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1 edit | said by MIllIlITER :I hope they lock up the owners no matter where they located their servers. That approach is not only ineffective, but it also backfired severely.
TPB now has tons of free publicity and sympathy, all thanks to the Swedish police and whatever industry lobbying group(s) which pressed for the raid. I am willing to bet TPB now has 100x more users than it had before and that the recording/movie industry is now "losing" 100x more than it was before the raid.
Based on what I have read, TPB wasn't doing anything illegal in Sweden and that while the raid was lawfully executed, the justifications behind the raid may not have been legal. If this is indeed true, then it will only galvanize the people of Sweden to oppose more of these sorts of actions. As Sweden is a democracy, I suspect that the end result might be a government that is less interested in respecting copyrights.
What should have happened is that the industry lobbying groups should have tried to make a sincere, respectful effort to change public opinion in Sweden about the respect of copyrights.
This comment is in no way a dig on the people of Sweden, but there are people who don't see how sharing copyrighted work is a bad thing when compared to things like murder or other real crimes. As long as that mindset exists, then any sort of heavy-handed tactics that go against this mindset will be met with the sort of response that we saw with the actions against TPB.
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| said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :Looks like they now got smart about it. I just wonder how Swedish courts will decide. I hope they lock up the owners no matter where they located their servers. They do not host any actual files, they merely catalog and index the torrents. That is not illegal.
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| said by MIllIlITER :said by Tomek :Looks like they now got smart about it. I just wonder how Swedish courts will decide. I hope they lock up the owners no matter where they located their servers. Get google's owners while they're at it! Those damn indexers!
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| Re: Hackers Attack Swedish Law Enforcement Website Posted 2006-06-04 19:59:24
Cyber vandals have attacked the website of the Swedish police, presumably in response to the Pirate Bay bust, forcing it to shut down. Police said the site was taken offline after it was overloaded by net data. »Hackers Attack Swedish Law Enforcement Website
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After they were struck down they really did become more powerful than anyone could imagine!
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| All that happened. All that's happened is a few swedish sites now lost hosting revenue. Boo Hoo! The site is still up, back and will be MORE popular. Perhaps with a focus on MORE of the content that these two POS industry losers try to protect and line the pockets of lawyers. If you think they are actually protecting the artsist's revenue, you are deluding yourself thinking as bad as the gas station owners who make 1-2% of the revenue from gas, and the OIL companies profit well over 300% on their investments with NO CHECK on the amount of profits in the future.
The internet doesn't care which country the bits flow or WHO profits. It just flows. No way to stop it, slow it down, not even for a few days. | |
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| Re: All that happened. said by cashtalks :
All that's happened is a few swedish sites now lost hosting revenue. Boo Hoo! The site is still up, back and will be MORE popular. Perhaps with a focus on MORE of the content that these two POS industry losers try to protect and line the pockets of lawyers. If you think they are actually protecting the artsist's revenue, you are deluding yourself thinking as bad as the gas station owners who make 1-2% of the revenue from gas, and the OIL companies profit well over 300% on their investments with NO CHECK on the amount of profits in the future.
The internet doesn't care which country the bits flow or WHO profits. It just flows. No way to stop it, slow it down, not even for a few days.
They cannot kill freedom
Freedom is very hard to destroy
We have rights that cannot be infringed no matter what they say... What a bunch of whiners
They could careless if you are poor or broke
All they want is to milk ya and charge whatever the heck they like
often much higher then what you can make in an hour slaving for these corporate insatiable greed
The point is that what their doing is to scrare everyone from sharing and force them tobuy whatever crap they put out
The few should not make the rest slaves for them nor their servant.
I am God, I am angry at what they have done to people who are too nice and easily brainwashed by their pissy attitude.
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Moline, IL | run, but not hide? My thought is that if I can watch, listen, or purchase something, I will buy it. However.... if it's something old and interesting that is not commercially available, is downloading it really "stealing"? | |
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| Re: run, but not hide?said by lotusracer :My thought is that if I can watch, listen, or purchase something, I will buy it. However.... if it's something old and interesting that is not commercially available, is downloading it really "stealing"? JESUS Christ you took the bait didn't ya???
ignore all the retards that say it is stealing...
it isn't according to most and that's what matters the most
don't forget that America Sucks wehave many hypocrites who says thing that are illegal but they themselves done plenty of illegal shit it just they haven't been held accountable!!!
the war in iraq, afghanistan
civil rights being dismantled by this administration that wants to total control of your life.
what we have is mass ignorance
some of these troll are agents of the nwo they will treat all people like criminals and try to use the law on their side. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT WE ARE, FREE
fearless and in control!!!
we need to take backthis country, and we gonna have to be organized like these punks who likes to pick on individuals
such as ourselves. remember as long as you are divided and are afraid they can do anything!!! whether you like it or not
if they can do a lot of talking so can we!!! and even better
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| also depends on what country your in, sharing music and videos isn't actually illegal everywhere. Not every country has a DMCA, and not every country thinks DMCA type punishments suit the offence.
The video P2P'ing here in Canada is rather ambigous, because no law supports or denies it, so its pretty much ignored. HOWEVER for trading music on p2p, its legal here, under a court resolution, that stated sharing music via p2p was no worse then having a photocopier in the libary, people are free to make personal copies. (not even backups, just copies for themselves).
its funny how people think American law is end all of all law in the world. Not all countries have the same beliefs, and thats how places like the pirate bay will survive.
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| Hmm. Why shouldn't the common people like us get to have some fun?
Look at all the fun the current White House administration and President and corporate America have with our money and rights? The big guys always screw the little people and get away with it.
This is a minor form of payback on our part and the only way any of us will ever get back at the system.
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| bring it to a vote Lets bring this up to a vote and settle the matter the right way. People should not be harassed into submission. I think all the MPAA and RIAA should be brought up on criminal charges do to the sniffing, hacking and maliciously poisoning the sites with fake torrents for all the websites out there that they attacked . Some of these are private sites and require a login and password. These private sites and their traffic should not be monitored because they are PRIVATE.
I also consider torrent sharing a way to find software music and movies that you never would have watched or used.
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| back up eh? No hits due to politics
Yeah the domain point to an interactive page. but there doesn't seem to be a tracker or search function.
so I would say that as of yet they are still in submission and not "winning"
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