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Another analyst predicts AT&T announcement
(old news - 04:18PM Thursday May 25 2006)
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After one analyst predicted AT&T would scrap their current "Project Lightspeed" plans (FTTN, VDSL2 to the home) for something that could deliver more bandwidth, AT&T insisted to us nothing had changed, and that pair bonding and compression would deliver an additional bandwidth boost if 25Mbps to each home was too snug a fit.

"Using VDSL2, we're seeing speeds of 20-25 Mbps at up to 4,000 feet, even more at shorter loop lengths," spokesperson Denise Koenig recently told us. "On average, we're bringing fiber to within 3,000 feet of customers' homes."

"This gives us more than adequate bandwidth to provide four streams of high-quality video (including one high-definition stream), high-speed Internet access and, in the future, consumer voice over IP services," Koenig insisted.

But analysts apparently aren't buying it.

Today a second analyst predicted AT&T will "announce a new video architecture with increased revenue potential later this year." Forbes quotes analyst Tom Watts who says AT&T's Lightspeed architecture may be "experiencing challenges" and if deployed could be un-competitive.

The possible change? As many suspected, a switch directly to fiber to the home, a la Verizon Fios. The technology continues to drop in price, and Verizon has started using pre-installed home Coax to reduce installation costs even further. And since little has been deployed, AT&T doesn't have much to lose by running fiber the rest of the way to customers' doors.

"We do not view the move to FTTH as a changing of horses in the middle of the race," says Watts. "In fact, the race has barely started. Instead, this is a chance for AT&T to scratch a nag from the race, and replace it with a potential Triple Crown Winner."

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rg6
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Columbus, OH

One Can Only Hope

I'd love it if they decided to go with FTTH. I'd sign up as soon as available. It would be a future proof connection.

brooklynman4

join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY

Re: One Can Only Hope

Well verizon say hello to your little friend at&t look out verizon.

batterup
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Re: One Can Only Hope

said by brooklynman4 See Profile :

Well verizon say hello to your little friend at&t look out verizon.
What are you talking about? The families have there own territory and da'y ain't muscle'n in on each ott'er.

RadioDoc
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May 25th, @02:44PM

I'd say they are more than just friends.

Verizon proved the concept. SBCatt is doing it's usual follow-the-leader dance. Since they don't compete with each other, wouldn't it be nice if they banded together to drive the cost of FTTH/P down enough to make it viable for general overbuilding? Now that would finally bring real competition head-on with cable, and the myth of "consumer choice" might actually move to the reality-based world.

By the way, SBCatt has been quietly installing FTTH to new developments for awhile now. If true, this is really just an expansion of that.

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batterup
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Re: One Can Only Hope

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Since they don't compete with each other, wouldn't it be nice if they banded together to drive the cost of FTTH/P down enough to make it viable for general overbuilding?

You mean something like a national communication system? I wonder if that could work?

How about this slogan, ""ONE POLICY, ONE SYSTEM, UNIVERSAL SERVICE"? The holding company would be AT&T and the system could be called, "The Bell System" after Bell the inventor of the telephone. It's logo could be a bell, brilliant.
deepblackmag

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Re: One Can Only Hope

How about the slogan "YOUR WORLD, SPIED ON."

batterup
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Re: One Can Only Hope

said by deepblackmag See Profile :

How about the slogan "YOUR WORLD, SPIED ON."
That is Bush's slogan, the phone companies were merely following orders.

N3OGH
Will it all be Obama's fault now?
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Well, it's abundantly clear that fiber is the future. I think AT&T was fooling themselves thinking light speed could deliver the bandwidth needed for today's and tomorrow's bandwidth hungry uses. To dump billions into what really amounts to nothing more than a stopgap measure would be foolish.

The plus side, if AT&T decides to go the FTTH route, it will give some validation to Verizon's Fios deployment, keeping the stockholders there at bay.

The existing copper plant nationwide is pretty much obsolete. DSL is/was a stopgap measure until FTTH could be rolled out.

It's fun living in the future, isn't it boys and girls???
nasadude

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Rockville, MD
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Re: One Can Only Hope

said by N3OGH See Profile :

..

It's fun living in the future, isn't it boys and girls???
whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

The future is in Korea; the future is in Japan; the future is in Sweden; but it ain't in the U.S. - for golly sakes, the future is closer to France than it is to us.

batterup
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Re: One Can Only Hope

said by nasadude See Profile :

said by N3OGH See Profile :

..

It's fun living in the future, isn't it boys and girls???
whatchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?

The future is in Korea; the future is in Japan; the future is in Sweden; but it ain't in the U.S. - for golly sakes, the future is closer to France than it is to us.
Tiny little countries with government subsidies. Look at this map. The North East serves more subscribers then those tiny places. If the govern would get there greedy franchise hands off fiber it will take off.
cableguy619

join:2003-06-24
Chula Vista, CA

The plan on running fiber to the house where it is new build. They are already doing this in certain areas of San Diego. It would be to costly in certain areas to do all fiber so they are most likely going to run both their version of FIOS and their project lightspeed....

KPSlider

join:2000-09-17
Hurst, TX
·AT&T Southwest

What the real shame of this talk about At&t's IPTV and such is that older neighborhoods aren't going to get it. Only new subdivisions, which in my opinion is BS. Why is that? I'm interested it what they offer since my only option is crappy Charter Cable or Direct TV. There are a lot more older neighborhoods than new that have people wanting that kind of service. Bring it to us, and we shall use it. If not, then we don't want you business anyway.

veloslave
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said by rg6 See Profile :

I'd love it if they decided to go with FTTH. I'd sign up as soon as available. It would be a future proof connection.
I would only sign up as soon as Sonic.net could sell it (God willing)

They (ATT, etc.) can change their names every week all they want... but they are the worse excuse for a telecom no matter what the name.
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ftthz
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do what works ...

Chris 313
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Idiots

Now they're starting to get it... They should've done this from the start like Verizon and be done with it.

icp1
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Saint Louis, MO
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Of course...

Like FTTH wasn't always in the plans?

Maybe not right now, or even soon, but FTTH was always going to be "lightspeed2" and everyone knew it. They were just trying to save money for a while until costs dropped.

Maybe it will be sooner rather than later if they are having architecture problems like hinted at, but even "sooner" FTTH would probably be 2008...

Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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AT&T's plan "could" be uncompetitive?

"Forbes quotes analyst Tom Watts who says AT&T's Lightspeed architecture may be "experiencing challenges" and if deployed could be un-competitive"

Ummm..hello? Anybody home at AT&T?

It ALREADY is uncompetitive.
The cable co's are ALREADY delivering video and HSI with some delivering up to 15,000k HSI service and VOIP as well.

According to reports..AT&T's project lightening bolt misses it's target by a mile and strikes AT&T's corporate HeadQuarters instead and will only deliver 6MB HSI.

What kind of a new and upcoming service is that which is already Cable (and verizons fios's) yesterdays news?

It is the news from a company that is sadly very desperate and that desperation is the reason that AT&T now decides they are above the law and don't need franchise agreements in order to get this very sad "next generation" project out to anyone who cares to even take it.

One can only wonder what new things they have on their drawing board? A partnership with AOL to offer free AOL dialup CD's maybe?

AT&T management, it's time once again to admit your failures and follow..instead of lead companies like cable operators and Verizon. Get out of the courtrooms where you're suing communities instead of signing franchise agreements and start running that FIOS to the home before it's too late.
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djrobx

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Re: AT&T's plan "could" be uncompetitive?

quote:
What kind of a new and upcoming service is that which is already Cable (and verizons fios's) yesterdays news?
I think FTTN can work but they must plan on pair bonding. 1 HD stream is not enough. 6mbps internet is not enough, either.
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CO_Chris
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join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO

Hmm maybe they have one cell left in there brain!! NOT

Surprise I guess they are waking up now and seeing that it has to be FTTH DUH you Fools
lovswr

join:2001-09-15
Stockbridge, GA

Free at Last!

About freaken' time. However, the pissed off Verizon investors will join with the (newly minted) pissed off at&t investors & form Vultron....Defender of the Uni......oh, got carried away there.

Actually, this is probably what they wanted to do all along. They just had to have a face-saving suitable amount of time to pass. This should be good.
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JonR800
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join:2003-08-06
Farmington, MI

HD

"enough to provide one hd stream"

Who the hell says one hd stream is enough??

Seth0101

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Re: HD

If they dont follow suit with verizon, this project will be the biggest failure ever. No one wants 6 meg by 1 meg connections, you can get a 100/100 in barbados, and it is an island in the middle of the ocean!
Zorglub

join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA

Exactly. They have to invest in a system that will last them another 100 years, and FTTH is the ONLY way to achieve that. 5-10-20 years from now, all TV will be HD, and we'll all expect to get HD channels to all 3 or 4 of our TVs. Only FTTH can provide that.

Glad to see that ATT is waking up though.

anonposter

@optonline.net

No money

That is considering they don't declare chapter 11 first.

Their Debt is getting HIGH and investors are Running scared.

But don't worry all the Exec's are still getting their millions in pay.
wierdo

join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
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Funny..

Funny that they can get 20-25Mbps at 4,000 feet using VDSL2, yet using ADSL they can barely get me 3Mbps at that distance.

Somehow I think "rose colored glasses" is a term that might be appropriate here. Perhaps even "beer goggles."
cwh

join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX

Re: Funny..

said by wierdo See Profile :

Funny that they can get 20-25Mbps at 4,000 feet using VDSL2, yet using ADSL they can barely get me 3Mbps at that distance.

Somehow I think "rose colored glasses" is a term that might be appropriate here. Perhaps even "beer goggles."
Just got the lightspeed service installed yesterday. The tech said my line was good for 40-50mbit. Seems to doing the cable and broadband just fine. My guess is this will be more than adequate technology until FTTH is rolled out.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
You have no familiarity with xDSL services apparently. Different standards have different capabilities.
cwh

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San Antonio, TX

Re: Funny..

said by bogey780 See Profile :

You have no familiarity with xDSL services apparently. Different standards have different capabilities.
Just repeating what the tech said. Meanwhile 3 tvs and broad band are working at the same time.
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said by bogey780 See Profile :

You have no familiarity with xDSL services apparently. Different standards have different capabilities.
I have plenty of familiarity with the service, but you seem to have difficulty with relative comparisons. If they are having trouble delivering a clean ADSL signal to me, only a few thousand feet from an RT after having tried multiple pairs in multiple feeder cables, I have a sneaking suspicion that my line is not the only in existence that will have trouble with good ADSL2+ or VDSL speeds.

Since they'll already be using the technology to its fullest just to handle what's being asked of it today, I can't help but draw conclusions about its real usefulness.

Note that that in no way implies that it won't work for some, or even most people they try to hook up, but copper is a fickle beast, and a lot of people will be left out because SBCAT&T is too cheap to do things right.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA

Re: Funny..

If at a few thousand you have trouble with the service then you're a rarity. The different flavors of xDSL have different profiles. How one works doesn't necessarily mean another will work better or worse. ADSL is a whole other beast than VDSL2. It's made to do 100 megs while ADSL tops out at 8 megs.
wierdo

join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK

Re: Funny..

If a line can't perform at a high level with ADSL and it's much simpler and more robust coding schemes, it won't do well with VDSL.

But you're right, my sort of line is rare, but by no means unheard of.
Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

i don't care...

i don't care who gets me fiber to the home as long as i can get it... so far in my location (san diego) it isn't happening... either the cable/phone companies have forgotten that we as a technological center exist or they've decided that smaller, shittier markets need it more... but however it gets here, i'll sign on... anything right now would beat out cox, unless cox endeavors to try and bring ftth to me...

dvd536
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Re: i don't care...

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

i don't care who gets me fiber to the home as long as i can get it... so far in my location (san diego) it isn't happening... either the cable/phone companies have forgotten that we as a technological center exist or they've decided that smaller, shittier markets need it more... but however it gets here, i'll sign on... anything right now would beat out cox, unless cox endeavors to try and bring ftth to me...
Cox does fibre installs but it won't be for $50/mo.
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Re: i don't care...

said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

i don't care who gets me fiber to the home as long as i can get it... so far in my location (san diego) it isn't happening... either the cable/phone companies have forgotten that we as a technological center exist or they've decided that smaller, shittier markets need it more... but however it gets here, i'll sign on... anything right now would beat out cox, unless cox endeavors to try and bring ftth to me...
Cox does fibre installs but it won't be for $50/mo.
that's for sure. my 3/3mbps cox fiber is $1050 a month.
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cluth

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Re: i don't care...

Hopefully that will go down someday. I ran across a blog post the other day discussing active versus passive optical networks. The cost of deploying an active optical network has dropped substantially, so that they're competitive with PONs. In fact, many non-Bell ISPs are considering active networks instead of the PONs, as they're far easier to future-proof and the functional distances are far greater. Read the post and the associated articles.
cableguy619

join:2003-06-24
Chula Vista, CA
they are only doing fiber to the house in SD in select few brand new homes... so eastlake and poway...
mclassing

join:2004-11-13
Columbus, OH

Not only Mulling...

AT&T (SBC) is not only mulling Fiber to the Premise (FTTP) they are doing it. I just recently moved to a new house and won the lottery -- our house is FTTP. It's great, but it seems that they aren't selling any services beyond what I could get while I was on DSL.

The service is great. I've had no problems. The best part is that the service is 3 Mbs SYMMETRIC for 19.99/mo (1 yr contract).

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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Meh

a 25mbps pipe just to download email attachments, surf the net, and watch tv. What a pitiful waste of fiber. Most likely servers are not allowed and don't even dream of having a static. It's nice to have a 25mbps pipe when the fastest you will get from a server is probably 300KB/sec.
gantua

join:2002-01-27
Hutchinson, KS

Re: Meh

Wow atleast one person gets it. Kudos to you sir!
wtcrjk
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Lilburn, GA

I have FTTH, but BEllSOUTH would only give me 1.8Mb, They said they didn't have the technology in place to support 3Mb on the fiber. However, they still charged me for the 3Mb until I caught them on it and the admitted that it was an error, but the still couldn't give me 3Mg because they don't have the equipment to support it on fiber. They never change out my cable boxes for my cable TV in 12 years. That's RIGHT 12 YEARS, they haven't had an equipment upgrade. That is why I am on COMCAST now. It may be cable internet but at least I get the 6+Mb that I am paying for.

Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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Re: Meh

So? What's your point?
grandpinaple

join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

AT&T

From what I read of AT&T on a daily basis I feel like they will be stingy with speeds even if fiber is deployed with a GPON infastructure. It would be cool if they deployed fiber with IPTV though they would be back on the inovation list in my book because not even Verizon is doing that.

phoneboy2

@shawcable.net

No suprises here!

Nothing to see here, move on. This is what anyone who understands the underlying technical and business challenges knew long ago. FTTN, VDSL2+, bonded pair blah blah (What ever happened to all the talk of ADSL2, 2+ etc.???) was all just smoke and mirrors to keep investors from bailing so the executives could get their bonuses.

It makes no sense to deploy a technology that is obsolete before the installation even starts!

The phrase, "this is a chance for AT&T to scratch a nag from the race" says it all! LOL!

anonme

@myvzw.com

Re: No suprises here!

Smoke and mirrors... I bet that's all their fiber deployment will be for 50 years to come too. Sure a few select and privileged areas. The rest of us who don't even have DSL yet will still be on dial up... yeah probably even 50 years from now.

guitarzan
Premium
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Skytop, PA

AT &T fiber

Could rightfully be called or known as.Edgar has fleas in his couch.

I wonder if that fiber gets installed with a Junior G-man complete home system spy tap.

anonme

@myvzw.com

Re: AT &T fiber

The only fiber most of us will see in the next 50 years will be served to us by Metamucil. HA HA And that the straight poop.

atwhatcost

@verizon.net

To you people...

Do you really think all that fiber is going to your home any time soon without FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WIRETAPS, diverted optics for the NSA, FBI, etc...

This is the 21st century, people WAKE UP and smell what you voted for TWICE, in a ROW!!

AT&T will stand for All To The [insert government wiretap acronym here], and if you can't figure what all of that stuff is, than you need not be here reading this--move along, nothing to see here!
Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

Re: To you people...

said by atwhatcost :

Do you really think all that fiber is going to your home any time soon without FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WIRETAPS, diverted optics for the NSA, FBI, etc...

This is the 21st century, people WAKE UP and smell what you voted for TWICE, in a ROW!!

AT&T will stand for All To The [insert government wiretap acronym here], and if you can't figure what all of that stuff is, than you need not be here reading this--move along, nothing to see here!
wow, what a paranoid, hysterical piece of drivel... look, if you think that any of us will be able to escape the influence of government in the 21st century, then i'd have to say that you are pretty niave or your planning on living like ted kazynsky...

raypsi1

join:2001-04-09
Redford, MI

Re: black opps

Black opps. I got everybody after me. Best is they have to account for every dime they spend. Well except for those guys over in Iraq they have cart blanche. But they won't let me go to Iraq.

Tech can beat NSA wire taps anyday in the week. You are living the the dark ages.
rcdumont

join:2006-05-23
New York, NY

Here

I hope I can get that here!

megahz01
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May 29th, @03:13AM

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