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R4M0N
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2 edits | This whole thing puts me in a weird position.. Should I trust what the cable industry claims or what the phone industry claims?
It's like choosing between a liar and a politician.
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N3OGH
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| Re: This whole thing puts me in a weird position.. said by R4M0N  :Should I trust what the cable industry claims or what the phone industry claims? It's like choosing between a liar and a politician. A fight between a liar and a politician sounds like an internal struggle to me, since they are, for the most part, one in the same. | |
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R4M0N
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Glen Allen, VA | Re: This whole thing puts me in a weird position.. Someone call Freud to referee this one then... | |
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Carlsbad, NM | Hahahahaha.........now that's comedy.  | |
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dvd536
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| said by R4M0N :It's like choosing between a liar and a politician. Those are synonymous with each other. lol.
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Banks, OR | Benefit consumers? How does it do that? They've just guaranteed that many consumers will never get the service. | |
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| I'm rejoicing! I think this is great. It will certainly give Comcast & Cablevision pause for concern. I guess they will just have to compete just like any other industry. Cablevision should already have some experience with this in NJ where they compete against US Cable in Paramus & Hillsdale. | |
| | donkc1
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Haskell, NJ
| Re: I'm rejoicing! I think it's about time that cablevision, and the other companies had some real competition instead of squashing them. Cablevision isn't the only guy in town, like they have acted for years, and now they will have to provide some real service for what they charge!! | |
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DaveNJ
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1 edit | Re: I'm rejoicing! I live in neither a "rich" or "densely populated" town and yet FiOS is being installed township-wide. I live in Middlesex county, not one of those affluent counties like Somerset or Hunterdon. | |
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DaveNJ
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! said by mbernste :I live in neither a "rich" or "densely populated" town and yet FiOS is being installed township-wide. I live in Middlesex county, not one of those affluent counties like Somerset or Hunterdon. Middlesex and Monmouth counties are consider the most affluent in the state. Got to love the ocean so close. What about Salem county ?
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, which makes Somerset the most affluent governmental entity in the world. Hunterdon have residences owned by people with last names like Forbes and Onassis, what does that tell you? Middlesex has many poorer areas such as The Amboys and New Brunswick (the part not near J&J or Rutgers) so its hardly affluent. | |
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DaveNJ
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ?
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Piscataway, NJ | Re: I'm rejoicing! Its about as likely to come to Camden as it is to Woodbridge or Carteret in Middlesex County. | |
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Fir_Na_Tine
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| said by DaveNJ :What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ? North Jersey and South Jersey are 2 different states, North gets everything South doesn't get much. Although I heard Medford Lakes (affulent) is getting Fios. Would love to have the option here though to choose.
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mig288
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! said by Fir_Na_Tine :said by DaveNJ :What about Camden, Vineland, and South Jersey. New Brunswick and the Amboys are the top quality compared to areas of south Jersey. When is Verizon Fios coming to Camden ? North Jersey and South Jersey are 2 different states, North gets everything South doesn't get much. Although I heard Medford Lakes (affulent) is getting Fios. Would love to have the option here though to choose. I agree! North Jersey and South Jersey is like North and South Korea! Split!!!!  | |
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kamm
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2 edits | said by mbernste :Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, What kind of Kool-Aid you're drinking?
Go and visit Switzerland, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, let alone Monaco, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein etc - they all enjoy much-much higher GNI than we do. | |
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mbernste
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Piscataway, NJ | Re: I'm rejoicing! Wrong. On a GDP basis, the USA is the wealthiest, most affluent, richest country in the history of the world. | |
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kamm
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1 edit | Re: I'm rejoicing! said by mbernste :Wrong. On a GDP basis, the USA is the wealthiest, most affluent, richest country in the history of the world. No, you're wrong. It's not the GDP, despite your beliefs but it's the GNI. GDP is usually far from reality, only part of it. In our case it shows us in much better light but that's false perception.
The good measurement here is the GNI. Gross National Income is calculated per capita too and US lags far behind countries I mentioned above.
From Wiki:
"Gross National Income comprises the total value of goods and services produced within a country (i.e. its Gross Domestic Product), together with its income received from other countries (notably interest and dividends), less similar payments made to other countries."
In other words it's the GDP + other taxes + extra *net* income (income from overseas by domestic residents - payments made from home to overseas non-residents) from abroad = Gross National Income aka GNI.
FYI: it used to be called GNP. | |
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DaveNJ
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| said by kamm :said by mbernste :Somerset county is the most affluent in America. America is the most affluent country in the world, What kind of Kool-Aid you're drinking? Go and visit Switzerland, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, let alone Monaco, Luxembourg, Lichteinstein etc - they all enjoy much-much higher GNI than we do. The UAE looks like it could be the wealthiest
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JTRockville
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clubs: | Re: I'm rejoicing! Where is Somerset County on that list? | |
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| Re: I'm rejoicing!The closest data I can find is from 2002, which puts it 3rd.
»www.census.gov/cgi-bin/saipe/sai···state=34
Median household income, in dollars, 2002
Sort this column ID Sort this column State and County Sort in reverse order Estimate 90% Confidence Interval
34019 Hunterdon County 84,145 78,384 to 90,331
34027 Morris County 80,143 75,077 to 85,550
34035 Somerset County 77,887 72,844 to 83,278
34025 Monmouth County 68,651 64,446 to 73,131
34037 Sussex County 68,261 63,772 to 73,066
34003 Bergen County 65,164 61,338 to 69,229
34005 Burlington County 60,181 56,441 to 64,167
34023 Middlesex County 59,817 56,250 to 63,610
34041 Warren County 57,661 53,844 to 61,749
34015 Gloucester County 55,416 51,842 to 59,236
34021 Mercer County 54,793 51,327 to 58,495
34039 Union County 53,010 49,839 to 56,383
34007 Camden County 47,200 44,329 to 50,257
34029 Ocean County 46,654 43,745 to 49,756
34033 Salem County 45,841 42,771 to 49,133
34031 Passaic County 44,693 41,884 to 47,690
34001 Atlantic County 42,245 39,557 to 45,116
34013 Essex County 41,967 39,501 to 44,587
34009 Cape May County 41,496 38,774 to 44,409
34017 Hudson County 38,455 36,159 to 40,898
34011 Cumberland County 36,846 34,416 to 39,447 | |
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JTRockville
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clubs: | Re: I'm rejoicing! I can't believe you don't have a link to the relevant data burned into your desktop!!!
You know I won't take your word for it. | |
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mbernste
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! Yeah, and Somserset was compared to Howard County, MD. Too bad I live in Middlesex County (but I do my food shopping in Somerset). See? I don't make these things up, I'm just not able to find the stuff as quickly as others on the Internet.
In the 2003 ACS, Somerset County, N.J., while not different from Howard County, Md., or Prince William County, Va., had the highest median household income ($89,289) of the 233 counties with populations of 250,000 or more in the sample. | |
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1 edit | said by mbernste :Well, that I have to do more digging, but look at the stats, NJ is the most affluent state in the most affluent country in the world. I probably have to see if NJ has some census data on a county basis. I can always count on you, JT to keep me honest. As I wrote above, you are wrong. US is far from being the most affluent country.
If you still can grasp it, please ask first instead of spreading your ignorant false stuff. | |
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! said by kamm :As I wrote above, you are wrong. US is far from being the most affluent country. Then you need to read Wikipedia:
The standard of living in the United States is one of the highest in the world by almost any measure.
The article continues to say
The United States measures better under some measures of standard of living than others. Americans are some of the wealthiest people in the world, with a very high GDP per capita. Americans are top in the world for most material possessions. The numbers of televisions, vehicles, and other such products per person are considerably higher than in any other country. For instance, the United States has some 754 televisions for every thousand people; no other major state is even above 700, with Japan being closest at 680/1000. Why don't you do some research before you make blanket statements. | |
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Milford, NJ
| Hahaha, I live in Hunterdon County, and I dream of getting broadband. I'm not kidding. I had a dream a few weeks ago I got a two-way cable Internet connection and I was playing online games with a ping of 20! It was so fun!
Seriously, I cannot get DSL from Verizon, and the cable company in Hunterdon, Service Electric Cable TV & Communications (»www.sectv.com/), only "serves" me with one-way cable, which uses cable to download, but dial-up to upload. I have almost no hope of ever getting a true broadband connection as long as I live here. | |
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| Re: I'm rejoicing! said by Josh7289 :Hahaha, I live in Hunterdon County, and I dream of getting broadband. I'm not kidding. I had a dream a few weeks ago I got a two-way cable Internet connection and I was playing online games with a ping of 20! It was so fun! You sure about that? SECTV, via Prolog has greatly increased their speeds. It figures that you're not in the part of Hunterdon served by Patriot. Like 90% of the county is served by them. | |
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Milford, NJ | Re: I'm rejoicing! Heh, yeah, I'm pretty sure when I can't get something I've been longing for for years.
It really does suck! | |
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DaveNJ
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| said by Josh7289 :Hahaha, I live in Hunterdon County, and I dream of getting broadband. I'm not kidding. I had a dream a few weeks ago I got a two-way cable Internet connection and I was playing online games with a ping of 20! It was so fun! Seriously, I cannot get DSL from Verizon, and the cable company in Hunterdon, Service Electric Cable TV & Communications (» www.sectv.com/), only "serves" me with one-way cable, which uses cable to download, but dial-up to upload. I have almost no hope of ever getting a true broadband connection as long as I live here. I am surprised Patriot did get a franchise agreement with them or just buy them out completely. Well i guess you will have to wait for 6-X yrs for Verizon, enjoy the upping of your taxes as well.
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Fort Worth, TX | Oh well...sucks to be poor. No change there.
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1 edit | This will benefit consumers only if... Players are competing on as level a playing field as possible. Does this franchise agreement provide such a playing field?
Verizon obviously agrees, comcast doesn't. We are back at the starting point. NJ customers should take a look at the franchise agreement and make their judgements. | |
| | donkc1
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Haskell, NJ
| Re: This will benefit consumers only if... See, the reason that the cable companies don't like it, is because it's competition. Cablevision has attempted to squash anything that comes in it's path. They don't want competition, period, and that's not a level playing field. They began to feel some competition when satellite was allowed to carry the local channels (the cable companies lobbied against that too!!, again, they don't like competition), and I am very happy with my directv, and I am glad that someone else can come in town, and not let them sit back like they are the only choice in town. | |
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1 edit | Re: This will benefit consumers only if... said by donkc1 : again, they don't like competition), and I am very happy with my directv, and I am glad that someone else can come in town, and not let them sit back like they are the only choice in town. That sounds like Verizons attitude for voice, I dont like this ruling because there is no built requiremnets, so the people of south jersey will get no benefit.
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LeftOfSanity
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| Oh My What was that old saying? Be careful what you wish for?
People need to remember this is big business, they are not your buddy. The local franchises benefit consumers. Now VZ can pick and choose which areas to install.
This just goes with the way Americans are today, they want what they want NOW. Instead of waiting a little longer for better benefits, they sacrifice them just for the chance THEY might get it faster. Screw the people who can't, at least I got it-attitude.
One word comes to mind - SHEEPLE! | |
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cypherstream
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clubs: | Awesome, who's next? Great for NJ residents! Now what about PA, come on, were neighbors, share the fios! They should be pro-competition, the same way they are when they build a gas station across the street from another gas station! It's a win-win situation. | |
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Scotch Plains, NJ | Setting the precedence Now, perhaps some innovators will come to NJ and offer a better way to do things. | |
| | donjuan2002
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Kearny, NJ | Re: Setting the precedence I do not know you guy, but is come sense 2 is better than 1. If I have two choices I be better, then stick with one | |
| ITALIAN926
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1 edit | BOO HOO Amazing to me that the cable companies want the telco's to play by all the current-day rules.. meanwhile they offer a telephone service completely unregulated and free from all the traditional rules.
Someone get me a violin for the cable companies. Waaaaaaaaaah.
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| sbcman74
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| Build-Out Build-out can take up to six years and only required to go to about the top 60 cities in population density. Most of those cities are on the northern part of the state. Horray for competition!  | |
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waiting4fios
join:2005-04-08
Howell, NJ | ? on buildout Is the buildout requirement to the 60 most populated towns in NJ or is it by population density? In other words does it apply to the 60 towns with the most people in them or the 60 towns with the most people per square mile? | |
| | sbcman74
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Belleville, IL
| Re: ? on buildout "The bill requires buildout within six years, but the standards set in the bill mean that buildout is only guaranteed to county seats and towns with population density of 7,111 per square mile. That pencils out to the 60 most populated communities in the state, most of which are along its northern border...." according to Multichannel News | |
| | | waiting4fios
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| Re: ? on buildout I guess Verizon better get started on these towns then as they are in the top 10 in NJ and only a few of them have been announced as being on the deployment schedule.
(based on 200 US census)
1. Newark 273,546
2. Jersey City 240,055
3. Paterson 149,222
4. Elizabeth 120,568
5. Edison 97,687
6. Woodbridge 97,203
7. Dover 89,706
8. Hamilton 87,109
9. Trenton 85,403
10. Camden 79,904
They have 6 years, they better get started now on Newark and Jersey City if they plan to be finished by 2012. | |
| ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| reeeeeelaaaaaaaaaaaaax People need to relax. Verizon will continue to build out EVERYWHERE. They arent gonna STOP their build-out. It costs them an insane amount of money to maintain their copper network. There is little or no maintance when it comes to fiber. It will be profitable for them to change EVERYONE to fiber eventually. Especially since fiber costs are dropping at an incredible rate.
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| Re: reeeeeelaaaaaaaaaaaaax One problem with your theory. My area of Ocean County was wired with fiber years ago. We have fiber to the pole throughout the this area of Ocean County. This fiber, however isn't the kind that supports FIOS. By your theory, it could be ten, twenty, or thirty years before they will rewire this area again.
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| | | ITALIAN926
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Stratford, CT | Re: reeeeeelaaaaaaaaaaaaax Umm yea, this fiber is not uncommon and supports only POTS dialtones and is regular throughout the country. This will be changed eventually also. | |
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actor90
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| Looks like Verizon wrote this bill This law amazes me. It gives Verizon everything it wants. The Democrats who run NJ get a tax increase which is what they want. Then, you may ask, what does the New Jersey consumer get? Nothing if they don't live in a affluent or densely populated part of the state. If they are middle class and live in southern New Jersey they get less then nothing. It is truly amazing to see the "enlightened" Democrats of NJ passing a bill that looks like it was written by Verizon's lawyers.
If your going to give Verizon everything it wants, then it was incumbent upon the New Jersey assembly and senate to make sure that within 5 years ALL of New Jersey would be wired for FIOS. Instead this law gives Verizon 6 years to wire only the most densely populated areas of northern New Jersey. As quoted here from Multichannel News:
"The bill requires buildout within six years, but the standards set in the bill mean that buildout is only guaranteed to county seats and towns with population density of 7,111 per square mile. That pencils out to the 60 most populated communities in the state, most of which are along its northern border...."
The state assembly, senate, and New Jersey Democratic party have shown that they are in the pocket of Verizon, and that, in the end, the New Jersey consumer will come last, if at all.
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| | tqhoang
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| Re: Looks like Verizon wrote this bill My brother-in-law is one of the few guys who does the fiber outfitting for Verizon. This stuff takes a long time to do properly (let alone fixing someone else's shotty work).
Yeah I understand the frustration regarding the tax increase, but for the majority of NJ, hopefully it will turn into actual competitive rates (i.e. cable tv & internet rate decreases). | |
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Rick
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| A tale of two companies... It's interesting to note how Verizon and AT&T have differed in their approach to not only rolling out advanced broadband and iptv services, but in how they have legally and politically addressed this issue as well.
Verizon, while maybe not liking it too much, has chosen to go the traditional route as far as seeking out franchise agreements and in doing so, has recognized their corporate responsibilities in adhering to the law, while at the same time recognizing that the investment now in laying out fiber to the home will probably pay big dividends later on down the road.
AT&T meanwhile, apparently believes these laws have no meaning to them and have decided instead to attempt to bully, ridicule, and sue their way into the customers homes with their own pieced together version of fiber almost to the neighborhood.
And, almost weekly now we hear of yet another Verizon victory in terms of areas and customers being connected and franchise agreements being approved, while the news out of the AT&T camp seems to involve some lawsuit or community being pissed off at them.
One has to wonder what in the world ever came over AT&T to think that they could ever win at such a failed strategy.
Can you imagine being a company of this size and taking on a strategy of simply ignoring the existing cable act laws that govern this and then in an attempt to win, fighting with every community you serve up to and including filing suit in an apparent attempt to bully their way into other communities?
Even with their recent apparent "win" here in Ct...they now have the Atty General saying he's going after them.
I completely fail to see what they hope to achieve with this strategy. Even if at some point down the road there becomes a national law to have franchise agreements happen at the federal or state levels nationwide, they're still going to be paying probably the same fees.
AT&T has reportedly said that if they were even to get one new franchise agreement a week, it would take them 8 years.
Well, how long do they think it will take to fight every tom dick and harry in state goverment while arguing their cases before courts all over this country?
And how much bad publicity happens to them when headlines all over the United States reads..AT&T Sues (insert the name of your community).
Verizon really has to be sitting back now feeling pretty good about their strategy. And probably can't help but to stifle a chuckle or two at AT&T's.
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| Re: A tale of two companies... said by Rick :It's interesting to note how Verizon and AT&T have differed in their approach to not only rolling out advanced broadband and iptv services, but in how AT&T has reportedly said that if they were even to get one new franchise agreement a week, it would take them 8 years. Well, how long do they think it will take to fight every tom dick and harry in state goverment while arguing their cases before courts all over this country? And how much bad publicity happens to them when headlines all over the United States reads..AT&T Sues (insert the name of your community). Verizon really has to be sitting back now feeling pretty good about their strategy. And probably can't help but to stifle a chuckle or two at AT&T's. ~RRR Well one look at Ed Whiteacre and you can understand why his company takes such an approach. Now remember it is really SBC you are dealing with but none-the less, they are nothing like Verizon which is probably why the "original" AT&T failed and had to be bailed out by SBC.
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| | bren9474
join:2004-09-28
Pearl River, NY | Brown... No wonder Larry Brown hasn't gotten his $45 million buyout to sit on the beach and do nothing yet! This is bad news for Isiah... | |
| tomj1226
join:2002-02-20
Allentown, PA
| Grab your ankles New Jersey I would expect that the end result of all this brou-ha-ha is that the consumer in New Jersey will get screwed. Verizon's proven track record to us in Pennsylvania is that they will lie, break promises, make false promises to receive a tax break, and then break the promises after getting the money. They can't be trusted and do not have anyone in Jersey's interest at heart besides their own money grubbing lying stealing tax defrauding interest of their own. PA took it bad from Verizon, and given the consequences they suffered here, after dry-screwing the PA consumer and taxpayer, we have no reason to believe that New Jersey is going to get anything different. | |
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EnzonE
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Indiana, PA
| Re: Grab your ankles New Jersey I'll second that also they mislead taxpayers out of billions promising state wide fiber connections by 2007, I don't even see that with DSL. Gamble as you will but hopefully you won't have to break even in Atlantic City! =)
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| | cdobol
join:2002-02-12
Denville, NJ
| Hey at least now I will have a choice who will be behind me when I grab my ankles; either Cablevision or Verizon. Right now I have no choice!
I'm glad this was approved. In my opinion the video franchise laws were outdated and assumed that there would only be one video provider in a community. The local communities are guilty for abusing this old system too; demanding 'extras' before agreeing to a franchise agreement. I can't see why Verizon (or anyone else) would want to negotiate with each town. The state franchise will give the towns a flat fee; which they can spend on any ridiculous thing they want. | |
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DaveNJ
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| Re: Grab your ankles New Jersey said by cdobol :Hey at least now I will have a choice who will be behind me when I grab my ankles; either Cablevision or Verizon. Right now I have no choice! You might be waiting 6 or more years for that choice...
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| | | | cdobol
join:2002-02-12
Denville, NJ | Re: Grab your ankles New Jersey I would hope not; I already have FIOS. I'm just waiting for them to offer TV service. If was in an area that wasn't on any list for FIOS deployment I might agree with you. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| Uh-oh. Look out. "New Jersey is poised to join a growing list of states that are steamrolling antiquated video franchise laws in favor of rules that promote competition, increase investment and benefit consumers." Stuff like this is always said right before the consumers are introduced to the exigencies and vicissitudes of traumatic economic-based combat proctology.
It's just another way of saying "Nothing good will come of this". | |
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uroberto
join:2001-05-01
Piscataway, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Cable tax Regarding the increase in the franchise fee, keep this in mind.
The fees would increase only in towns where Verizon has begun marketing its television service to at least 60 percent of the homes, but would apply to customers of any cable provider in those towns.
But Verizon claims that any increase in fees will be offset by lower prices as a result of competition. | |
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truedalife
join:2003-01-10
Brooklyn, MD
| Not playing by the same rules People have the wrong idea about franchise agreements. A franchise agreement ensures your level of service. How many PAC channels? Payment centers. Weather or not schools and government offices get free service. And there is a fee that is paid to the township for this agreement being signed.
It's not a question of competition. Comcast will go to bat with the best and our accounting books are not in the RED like Verizon. There has always been competition no matter what people say. I can name many services that have been available for years. High internet speeds are not promised to anyone, read your bylaws for your on-line service agreement. And with net neutrality a question who knows what may happen to speeds. Just because no one had millions of dollars to invest in a over build is not Comcast or Cable-visions fault. If someone had the money they could apply for a local franchise agreement a start there own system.
This is where I have a problem with Verizon and AT&T. You don't hear cable companies saying we want to change the franchise laws. Our Government affairs office re-news 130+ franchise agreements per year. It is a on going, long process that never stops. Comcast as well as other cable providers has managed to comply with these laws for many years.
Then here comes the Telcos. They know these agreements involve sometimes millions of dollars being paid to each individual townships and can take months of negotiations to complete. Comcast, Cablevision, TWC and others comply to these laws everyday. So what makes the Telcos any better that they need different rules to compete. Why is AT&t suing townships to override policies that are there for that townships protection. So it's fair that Cablevision has to pay for example 2 Million dollars to East Orange for a video franchise but Verizon pays a Statewide fee which it would be less money than negotiating for each township. These townships should be furious with the State right now. For it's the New Jersey State government that will hopefully give some money back to each municipality involved. And from my experience, State government doesn't gives the Cities and townships what they want. And are always crying that it's not in the budget this year. Your Townships budget could be directly affected by this.
And there is the question of redlining. I live 5 blocks away from my Verizon substation. But I also live in a low income area. Verizon is upgrading everything on the county side which has home surpassing $150,000 and is 15 to 20 blocks away from the same substation. There are no current plans for FIOS to pass my area anytime soon. I speak to the Verizon techs all the time in my area for the HUB is in front of my house. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and anyone who thinks redlining isn't real just needs to come to Brooklyn Park Maryland and see it first hand. The FIOS construction trucks line the streets in Brooklyn height's and out to Glen Burnie, MD. | |
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Verizon Wins NJ Statewide Franchise
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It creates a level playing field from now on
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