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join:2005-01-22
Groveland, IL | Pricey 600 terabytes were downloaded from the Xbox 360 Live network during E3. At this price it would cost $1,080,000,000! | |
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Chris 313
Come get some
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clubs: | Africa will never.... Africa will never see anything good or decent at those prices. It's a real pity the entire world, including most of the USA couldn't be wired like Japan cheaply, and reliably. | |
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join:2005-12-09
49533 | Re: Africa will never.... I think the reason that broadband is so cheap in Japan, Korea, etc. is that there are a lot of people crammed in a relatively small location.
On the other hand, the reason broadband in the US isn't cheaper is the greedy telecoms... | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Re: Africa will never.... dont just say the telcoms the cablecos are greedy also | |
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join:2004-07-22
Hudson, FL | Re: Africa will never.... Well, hate to say it, but I think most Americans, reguardless of occupation, are greedy. Myself included I guess. | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| said by digitalfreak  :I think the reason that broadband is so cheap in Japan, Korea, etc. is that there are a lot of people crammed in a relatively small location. On the other hand, the reason broadband in the US isn't cheaper is the greedy telecoms... what about china? broadband is nonexisten axcept in hong kong or beijing and still very few people have it.
your speculation is not proven...
its technology in those places are more advanced then here
who been using laserdisc all this time and americans?
VHS for the last 20 years
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72276539
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Africa will never.... Oh now this is funny, its perfectly acceptable to say the US sucks but god forbid someone calls people out on it. Sorry for not spouting the company line.
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hmm So it would cost $30 - $40 to go to an online store and order a product? | |
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amungus
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America
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| that is outrageous! way too much for that volume of data. It would be cheaper to send a dvd/tape backup image of something. could they not "cache" large portions of information and then serve it closer to their intended destinations??? this would seem one of the only solutions. at those prices, they could probably solve starvation in many places. sorry, but food and water are more important than a gig of nearly any information, unless of course that gigabyte of info somehow contained the cure for AIDS. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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1 edit | 2 Africas I wonder how this breaks down between the politically "free-er" countries such as South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Kenya and Zambia and the rest of the continent.
Another point to consider... South Africa happens to be the country where Thawte, Inc. (the #2 security certificate vendor) is headquartered. Things can't be that bad!
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join:2001-10-21
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| Re: 2 Africas There was an article not to long ago (I think it was here on BBR) and a user in South Africa calculated that for a 1GB file it was cheaper and faster (if he didn't stay overnight) to fly to Hong Kong, visit an internet cafe, download the file, burn it to DVD, and then fly home again.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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1 edit | Re: 2 Africas »www.telkom.co.za/athome/products···tml#what
Here are some of the residential prices from one South African DSL provider. I am assuming that like with US providers, the actual cost is probably higher due to hidden fees and such.
Installation Fee for all services w/ VAT: 404.40 South African Rand = $62.38.
Monthly Fee for 1Mbps service w/ VAT: 680.00 South African Rand = $105.
Monthly fee for 512kbps w/ VAT: 477.00 South African Rand = $73.65.
Monthly fee for 384kbps w/ VAT: 359.00 South African Rand = $55.43.
Monthly fee for 192kbps w/ VAT: 270.00 South African Rand = $41.69.
These are high prices even by USA standards, but there must be people in South Africa who can afford those prices or else they would not be charging them.
As for the DVD/flying to Hong Kong story, I did some calculations assuming I was using the 1Mbps service above. 1GB is 8000mbits. It would take a little over 2 hours to download 1GB. Unless it took more than 30 days to do the download, the costs (including installation) would be about $170.
According to Cathay Pacific's website, the cost of flying round trip from Johannesburg to Hong Kong is 13159 South African Rand, or about $2028.37. Of course, this assumes a trip leaving this Saturday and returning on Tuesday, but I think the premise of that original article is way off.
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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Morristown, NJ
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| Re: 2 Africas said by pnh102 :» www.telkom.co.za/athome/products···tml#whatHere are some of the residential prices from one South African DSL provider. I am assuming that like with US providers, the actual cost is probably higher due to hidden fees and such. Installation Fee for all services w/ VAT: 404.40 South African Rand = $62.38. Monthly Fee for 1Mbps service w/ VAT: 680.00 South African Rand = $105. Monthly fee for 512kbps w/ VAT: 477.00 South African Rand = $73.65. Monthly fee for 384kbps w/ VAT: 359.00 South African Rand = $55.43. Monthly fee for 192kbps w/ VAT: 270.00 South African Rand = $41.69. What are the fees for going beyond $CAP amount?
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Sgtslaughtr
join:2005-08-29
Knox, IN | Oops $20 for 1 gigabyte a month in US? Sprint is gonna pissed. I download 1 Gigabyte a day :0 and I only pay $55 a month. | |
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| attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: Oops thats nothing
i download 52gb at 6mbit
full throttle!!!
and i paid only 29.99
cheaper then dirt
Woohoo  | |
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join:2004-07-22
Hudson, FL | Re: Get satellite internet Are there any internet sattillites, "visable" to africa? Im sure both of the american sats would be well below their horizon. I know there's others, but not sure about over africa. | |
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| pointrow
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join:2003-09-23
Poplar Bluff, MO | i have an idea. why dont some of us in the WISP business get together and buy some old offshore platforms add a couple PTP links and send some bandwidth over there for say $1700.00 per gig. LOL | |
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jsuboh
join:2002-06-13
Earlimart, CA | Nigeria Email Scams And the sad part of this story is that all that bandwidth is being used to send those darn Nigeria Email Scams. | |
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AthlGrond
Collectivism Breeds Envy
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | Re: Nigeria Email Scams Insightful!  | |
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P2PPirate2
join:2005-02-02
New York, NY | lol, they send me a mail telling me to gave them my company account so they can wire 3 millions dollars which we will share without the world knowing. Idiots. | |
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Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA | Undersea fiber optic cable: $ Millions
Gigabyte of data transfer: $1,800
Nigerian phishing scams: Priceless!  | |
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jabetcha
join:2003-02-13
Lake Mary, FL | Basic needs Most of africa doesn't have the basic needs of food, water, and shelter for its occupants, so why is $1,800/GB data costs an issue? | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Re: Basic needs I was thinking the same thing. I would also, like to see how much of inhabited Africa is wired. Lots of Africa is rain forset, or hut towns. These are places that obviously have little to no need for internet conenctivity. | |
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One
| Re: Basic needs said by Maxo :I was thinking the same thing. I would also, like to see how much of inhabited Africa is wired. Lots of Africa is rain forset, or hut towns. These are places that obviously have little to no need for internet conenctivity. I think the main point of the article was that the African continent's connection to the rest of the internet world is lacking at best. The average numbers are likely off, considering the economic state and location of the bulk of Africa's population; however, one must consider some of the larger African cities, ports and areas of commerce (Nairobi, Mombasa, Cape Town, Johannesburg, Cairo, et. al) and how costly it is for those areas to get internet access.
I'd like to see a cost comparison to regions of similar land mass and population density.
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
| Instead of just giving them food, many of the aid agency are now trying to teach them to be self sufficient.
One of the best ways to accomplish this is through education.
It would be to expensive to have a teacher come in form the outside, instead they have set up solar powered computer terminals in some of the most remote villages.
A child now has the ability to help themselves, there village, and there country without depending on others.
These outrageous bandwidth prices help to keep them dependent on others. | |
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AthlGrond
Collectivism Breeds Envy
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO | So? How do our costs compare to South Korea's? (Or put another way, why aren't they comparing the worst costs to the best?) | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Average price is a little off. In America we pay for unlimited connections. I think sbc is around $15 a month for 3mbit. People download hundreds of gigabytes on such a connection. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 |  (topic offline) Boooo!
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Maybe when the genocide stops... telecom corporations will be willing to set up shop and make it cheap. So long as warlord states continue to operate making it unsafe to deploy anything nothing will change. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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1 edit | Re: Maybe when the genocide stops... Perhaps broadband in South Africa isn't $1800/GB. If they want to price African broadband in general, we must stick to generalities.
If we want to isolate the discussion to specific nations, we need to know what the prices are in those nations. | |
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lemonade
join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA
| how they obtain the $1800? i am wondering how they get this number, i am wondering they could get this number by saying most people are on 56K dialup, ideally if they want to download 1GB of data they need over 42 hours, and if their ISP charge those dialup connection say a combination of monthly fee + additional usage count by hour (say $30 - 40 per hour) then we can get the $1800. | |
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| attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: how they obtain the $1800? said by lemonade :i am wondering how they get this number, i am wondering they could get this number by saying most people are on 56K dialup, ideally if they want to download 1GB of data they need over 42 hours, and if their ISP charge those dialup connection say a combination of monthly fee + additional usage count by hour (say $30 - 40 per hour) then we can get the $1800. I dunnnnnnnnnnno but its
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cost of 4.7gb in america 15cents...
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Supafly
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Lancaster, CA
1 edit | Egypt? What about the more modernized countries such as South Africa, Morocco and Egypt? | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: Egypt? I'm pretty sure the prices are far lower than $1.8k in those places. | |
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Quake110
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON
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1 edit | Re: Egypt? Here are the prices for Morocco Prices For Morocco:
Menara ADSL »www.menara.ma/abonne/adsl.asp
256kbit : 199 MAD = $22.96 US
512kbit : 299 MAD = $34.50 US
1Mbit : 399 MAD = $46 US
2mbit : 499 MAD = $57 US
4mbit: 799 MAD = $92 US
But Prices will eventually drop since Meditel and Maroc Connect will soon bring some competition to Menara IAM. | |
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DR_JAY
join:2002-04-23
Verdun, QC | Fibre in water? Is there Fibre cabling in the Atlantic ocean?! My friend claims there is but I don't think I ever heard of it | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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upstate NJ
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| Africa Those numbers are skewed. I use much much much much more than 1GB/month and I pay $45/month.
Africa is always going to be a shithole. It's sad, but true. Unless the people help themselves, they aren't going to go anywhere.
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: Africa said by Tzale :Those numbers are skewed. I use much much much much more than 1GB/month and I pay $45/month. Africa is always going to be a shithole. It's sad, but true. Unless the people help themselves, they aren't going to go anywhere. -Tzale huh shithole? more like craphole. lol... behind the rest of the world. chuckle... laughs... | |
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emmpeethree
Twizzling Flagella
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join:2001-04-13
Richmond, BC | FOOD? maybe they should worry about starvation and aids or even electricity and sanitation before how much they are paying for the internet... | |
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join:2001-02-08 | Re: FOOD? Now this is useful information.
Good thinking  | |
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join:2005-10-05
| Maybe the reason they got no food or internet is that they are run by a bunch communist pinkos! I'm sure if they had broadband in zimbabwe, their two bit, piece of s*** commie dictator would have it all to himself and let everyone else die! Or the fact that South Africa was taken away from white capitalists and given over to black communists and now what was a nice country is a toilet! If they had internet they would find out all the lies those commies have said like to cure aids u got to rape white babies. They ought nuke africa, and end communism! | |
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AB, Canada
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| Re: FOOD? said by houselog442 :...They ought nuke africa, and end communism! [sarcasm] Thats very constructive.  I bet you think they should nuke China for being communists too?
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| Re: FOOD? said by Quentin :said by houselog442 :...They ought nuke africa, and end communism! [sarcasm] Thats very constructive. I bet you think they should nuke China for being communists too? Nuke China? Well that actually aint a bad idea! Can we nuke those communist pinkos in north korea too, I wish that pot bellied pinko would do the world a favor and die! | |
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