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IA | Rip Off I wonder what the 'lease upgrade fee' will be.  | |
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pmayo
join:2001-10-22
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: Rip Off And yes it will be a ripoff -- I can just see them charging $199 for an exchange -- and you owned the old one and don't own the new one... | |
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| | Deathsadvoca
join:2003-08-20
South Lyon, MI
clubs: | Re: Rip Off Well if you buy the box retail then you own it. $200 Exchange is no where near the $1200 price tag the units will have when they come out. BTW if you want to own comcast box its near $1000 as well. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ | Re: Rip Off do you still get nicked for the gateway fee if you buy the comcast box?
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imrf
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join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
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| said by Deathsadvoca  :BTW if you want to own comcast box its near $1000 as well. No it's not, Comcast doesn't offer an option to buy the box. It's rental only. | |
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| | lovswr
join:2001-09-15
Stockbridge, GA | yep, I for peeps like me who only have the SD Tivo it will be 499 plus intsall of the 5 LNB dish (the new sexy MPEG 4 dish is not rumored until the fall) for even more money!!
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by Anonymous :I wonder what the 'lease upgrade fee' will be. I just left DISH for comcast (heaven help me) because of the "lease upgrade fee" for their HD-DVR - $299. Yes, $299 to upgrade AND YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE BOX!
I told them I would stay if they waived the "upgrade" fee, but they wouldn't do it.
Not upgrading isn't really an option, unless you don't want any of the programming that is ONLY available in mpeg4 - local HD channels over the sat, all new HD programming.
It's too bad, 'cause I liked DISH, but comcast now offers more for less. | |
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| | ub355
join:2005-09-15
Brookfield, WI | Re: Rip Off I left Dish because they would not waive a $60.00 fee to install an new dbs antenna that would get me locals. The locals were not available when I first signed up. | |
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| | | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Rip Off said by ub355 :I left Dish because they would not waive a $60.00 fee to install an new dbs antenna that would get me locals. The locals were not available when I first signed up. It will be nice when service providers stop waiving any fees for those that simply "bitch" and want it waived.
There are those that purchase the service and pay their monthly rates like everyone else for service provided. Then there are those that feel more important than the rest of us and "entitled" to something that the general public isn't.. Those people are the ones that help keep rates higher for the rest of us. Why? Does anyone think that those discounts come out of no where? nope. These discounts are an expense to the company and they have to come somewhere.
Everyone else, please thank these "I want it free" or "waive this or I am leaving" people in part for why your rates do go up in a competitive world. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by ub355 :I left Dish because they would not waive a $60.00 fee to install an new dbs antenna that would get me locals. The locals were not available when I first signed up. And they charge $5 extra for locals. thats plain wrong. why would anyone pay for locals when they can get them free with an antenna?
cable gives locals free thank god.
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join:2002-02-01 | Re: Rip Off No, cable doesn't give you locals free. Cable just doesn't give you the option to opt-out. They include the price in the cost of service. | |
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| GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| I think some of you are losing focus of the point the poster and early repliers were trying to make. They have nothing wrong with leasing/renting a STB. Its when they are expected to pay the equivalent of a 'blue sky' in order to be granted the permissing to lease/rent that is a message being received by comsumers.
For instance, let's say that a STB would retail outright on the B&M shelves for $1200. Also, let's say DirecTV is willing to lease/rent the STB for $10/month provided you pay them $200 up-front as the 'blue sky' palm-greasing agent. Well, I'd rather pay nothing up-front and simply pay $12/month to lease/rent.
But it is because the mandatory 'blue sky' requirement is being interpreted by the marketplace by the business as being questionable, and sometimes downright offensive. If someone is willing to lease a lesser of a STB for $10/month when it retail shelves for $1000, then why not $12/month for a $1200?
It just seems like DirecTV has trained its customers to expect one thing and now is changing it and at the same time acting all surprised the market place isn't as complacent as before. Give me sour milk and I'd cry, too.  | |
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lorick
Lorick Weather Live
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join:2002-01-29
Eau Claire, WI
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| DirecTV HD DVR BFD... It will not be TiVo. I will wait for the Series 3 TiVo and switch back to cable. I thought they would have learned their lesson with the poor excuse of a DVR in the R-15 model. Dropping TiVo was one of the biggest mistakes DirecTV has made.
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Karl Bode
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| Re: DirecTV HD DVR I think if they didn't have the NFL Sunday Ticket deal they would be in trouble. I've not upgraded to HD yet, and I'm putting it off largely because I know this box will be a bug-filled pile when released, and I don't want to pay whatever ridiculous price-tag they put on it.... | |
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: DirecTV HD DVR Speaking of NFL ticket... if some of these new Telecom laws get through (depending on the lobby of the week's version) there is talk that Cable would have to give up any exclusive rights they have to "sports" programming and that they can't keep them from the satellite carriers.
Why is it right that NFL is able to make an exclusive agreement with Satellite? (And yes, I know one is the NFL and the other is Cable, but it just goes to show how there is no intent to level the playing field for real honest competition.)
And back to the DVR. | |
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Karl Bode
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1 edit | Re: DirecTV HD DVR NFL seems to love that kind of thing, see the exclusive deal with EA. NFL for some reason wants to avoid making billions from the nation's cable subscribers. I have a hard time believing the amount DirecTV pays is equal to what they'd make off offering NFL games to everyone with a cable box.....and no, I don't understand how such exclusive deals are alllowed...
If I could just download NFL games on-line, I'd cancel DirecTV tomorrow and go back to Digital cable...particularly now that they're not embracing Tivo. | |
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| Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA | I'm with you on this one... I switched back to DirecTV from Dish because of TiVo. I have an HD-TiVo now and will not "upgrade" to the mp4 version. But the new TiVo may be enough for me to switch away from DirecTV and back to (gasp) cable. | |
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| | GMFreak8
join:2005-11-17
Malone, NY
| Re: DirecTV HD DVR Glad I have cable, it's cheaper, I have a HD DVR that actually records true HD not HD Lite, and if it dies I just trade it out at the local cable office. DirecTV and DishNetwork used to lead in technology and price, but they don't anymore. I switched awhile ago, and I won't be going back anytime soon. | |
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masterpjz9
join:2000-10-14
Peabody, MA
| Re: DirecTV HD DVR said by GMFreak8 :Glad I have cable, it's cheaper, I have a HD DVR that actually records true HD not HD Lite, and if it dies I just trade it out at the local cable office. DirecTV and DishNetwork used to lead in technology and price, but they don't anymore. I switched awhile ago, and I won't be going back anytime soon. But how much do you pay monthly for that HD DVR? | |
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djtim21
It's all good
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join:2003-12-22
Buffalo Grove, IL
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| Re: DirecTV HD DVR Chicago market I pay $ 5 for the HD service, and I pay $11.99 or $12.99 for the DVR.
The only thing I'm pissed about is I had to have my box replaced because the hard drive went bad, but it's starting to happen again. It's not like I'm carrying around the box, it's in the same place and well ventilated.
I don't know if it's a Motorola issue or a Comcast issue. 
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: DirecTV HD DVR said by djtim21 :I don't know if it's a Motorola issue or a Comcast issue. Motorola made the box, comcast just purchased it and leases it to the customer. I'd say it's a motorola problem and in part, a problem of the person that doesn't give the electronic device room to breath. (Hint: When there are many vent holes on an electronic device, it means don't smother it)
Not sure why you are paying so much for the DVR in your are, here, as long as you are in a package, the DVR service is a total cost of $9.99 a month.
Given the $299 upgrade fee for the DirecTV version, it would take about 30 just to break even. If the DVR doesn't break down, you will ultimately do better than cable. However, these things are known to have issues. (Yes, many don't, but alot do) It's also my understanding that if you don't have thier maintenance plan and your box goes out, many plans require you to send the box back in and then they ship the replacement? (Leaving you without service for a while)
Here's what I don't get and why people put up with this. If you have to pay a $299 upgrade fee, pay a monthly fee for the service, AND you still don't own this box? Who's the sucker? Makes that $35 that Cable TV charges for the truck roll to install their DVR box. | |
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join:2005-11-17
Malone, NY
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But how much do you pay monthly for that HD DVR?
$9.99 per month for the box rental and the DVR service.
And yes, cable is cheaper than Directv in this area for me, of course it all depends where and who you have for cable service. And as I said, I also get full HD, and not the HD lite like you get with DirecTV. | |
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| | | chesney09
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
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| You are not getting 'TRUE' HD.
If you don't think your cable is compressing the HD, you are sadly mistaken.
The BEST HD is from OTA.. And the HD TIVO from D* gives you the Tivo functionality with your OTA locals. And the rest of the HD in MPEG2 compression is better than the MPEG4 that is being rolled out on D*.
Even when all the MPEG4 is cmopletely rolled out, you still won't get all your locals from D*. Only the Big 4, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX. I get about twice as many locals from OTA.
I think even still, the picture quality will still be best from OTA, them Satellite, then Cable.
As for the whole LEASE thing with D*. As much as I hate the Upfront costs for the HD Tivo (400).. What is the difference in all reality of you own it or not? It's not like I can take the Box and use it standalone or with any other provider. Add to the fact that if anything ever happens to it.. It is replaced for free. I can still Hack it to modify options if I choose (As if it dies, they won;t know what's on it anyways). If I own the box and it dies.. I have to then dish out another $XXX.XX for a new unit.
My BIGGEST complaint is the 24 month commitment thay make you agree to.
The new HD-DVR.. We'll see what it has to offer when it comes out.. Worst case.. I'll keep my HD Tivo until they shut down MPEG2 and they will/should have to provide the upgrade unit. | |
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NJChris
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join:2000-02-08
Pompton Lakes, NJ
| said by lorick :BFD... It will not be TiVo. I will wait for the Series 3 TiVo and switch back to cable. I thought they would have learned their lesson with the poor excuse of a DVR in the R-15 model. Dropping TiVo was one of the biggest mistakes DirecTV has made. Exactly what I will be doing.
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
·AT&T Southeast
1 edit | Mediacrap I wish we had more options where we live. Fact is that since Mediacrap services our area cable is not even a viable option. I've seen OTA programming with a better picture than Mediacom. With that said no matter how bad the box from Directv is it still can't be as bad as Mediacom. | |
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| Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | Re: And how much... Contracts are what keeps Sattelite companies alive  | |
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| yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | Did you ever think about what you're getting for that money? It's basically a computer that you get in that box, so you can't expect it to be cheap. | |
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Quake974
join:2006-04-11
North Wales, PA | Cable? Cheaper? Cable is cheaper? Really? The $72/month I pay DirecTV is much less than what I'd have to pay Comcrap for the same service.
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| Brigrat
join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM
·Windstream
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| Re: Cable? Cheaper? No doubt...In my area cox cable has no HD Brodcasts at all, no NFL Network, and cost me $30/month more than Direct TV. Plus with direct I get all the NFL Games. If you are to cheap to shell out a few hundred bucks every now and then, then satellite isn't for you. For me, a few hiundred bucks this summer is no big deal for the amount of entertainment that the lovely little box will bring me. It is a goo dinvestment in my book! | |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN | Re: Cable? Cheaper? You're area is also being sold right now. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
2 edits | I'll go back to Comcrap first If they have a hefty fee for upgrading (which I would consider a downgrade without tivoware) I'll spend the extra money and go back to Comcrap.
The money I'm saving with DirecTV would go right out the window with new equipment fees. Still, Comcast charges $10 in DVRs fees PER DVR plus $7 base rental per DVR, plus deposit. I use 2 HD DVRs so that would be $34 just in rentals and fees from Comcast for just those two boxes, not including the higher programming fees and horrid quality (which is why I left for DirecTV is the first place). At over $400 per year in Comcast rental fees, it wouldn't take long to pay of any DirecTV equipment fees. I'll wait and see what happens with DTV's price and HD programming additions.
Also Verizon is deploying FIOS here so in a year or so we should have FIOS TV available. Choice would be nice. | |
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
00000 | What? I am confused. You pay directv all this money and you dont own the equipment? Now that is just stupid. I guess there is a sucker born every day. | |
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myerskl
join:2001-05-31
Fairborn, OH | Dish Network "These discounts are an expense to the company and they have to come somewhere."
As an ex Dish Network Retailer nothing comes at the expense of the company!! | |
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