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| Uh, Yeah... AT&T still doesn't get it. They just need to break down and FTTH themselves to have any chance. 25 mbits is already too little for TV and data.
Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T. | |
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Rick
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| Re: Uh, Yeah... said by Chris 313  :AT&T still doesn't get it. They just need to break down and FTTH themselves to have any chance. 25 mbits is already too little for TV and data. Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T. Me thinks AT&T does get it. What they'll do is to let Verizon spend all their cash building this magnificent network, then wait for them to file bankruptcy and the new mega mergered AT&T will step in and buy the whole company for 3 cents on the dollar.
Didn't you ever hear of @home?
Now it's @AT&T using the same exact formula for success. 
AT&T is probably more in the business of mergers and acquisitions than even the phone business at this point. 
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| Re: Uh, Yeah... said by Rick :said by Chris 313 :AT&T still doesn't get it. They just need to break down and FTTH themselves to have any chance. 25 mbits is already too little for TV and data. Verizon is the only one who has a chance Vs. AT&T. Me thinks AT&T does get it. What they'll do is to let Verizon spend all their cash building this magnificent network, then wait for them to file bankruptcy and the new mega mergered AT&T will step in and buy the whole company for 3 cents on the dollar. Didn't you ever hear of @home? Now it's @AT&T using the same exact formula for success. AT&T is probably more in the business of mergers and acquisitions than even the phone business at this point. Could be. Only time will tell, huh? | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | This is very unlikely as Verizon has way more money than AT&T and Verizon isn't stupid they aren't going to push FIOS to the point of bankruptcy. Anyway AT&T will die long before FIOS drives Verizon into bankruptcy, which won't happen anyway. | |
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| | attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| ATT? wrong it's SBC who has consumed ATT now its called ATT to fool all of ya. Creative and clever aren't they? Here's a little hint. within 2-3 months from today BellSouth is no more. Their price stinks and the customer are paying more then they should.
ATT has ceast to exist long ago. You are living in fantasy land if you believe they are still in existent. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| AT&T is deluding itself Verizon FIOS, which they've already budgeted for (about $100 billion over 10 years), is the only one keeping up with technology in Telco land.
Cable runs a different system. Unlike copper (24 mgs is max), coax, with the 3.0 standard, could crush them if the cable companies want to do it.
Verizon is quickly establishing itself as the best HSI player while the other Bells play with their OLD toys. I'd hate to be in Qwest territory, which is like a 3rd world country.
Funny, the only player Comcast, a predator that said it wanted to bankrupt the Bells, is scared of is FIOS.
AT&T buy Verizon? LOL! That would be about a $300 billion purchase (T paid $98 billion for BLS). | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself 'Unlike copper (24 mgs is max)'
That is incorrect. The VDSL2 standard is up to 100mb/s and the ADSL2+ standard supports seamless bonding to allow as many multiples of 24mb/s as Bell cares to build out.
'(T paid $98 billion for BLS).'
Incorrect also. BLS hasn't been acquired yet. It's a stock buyout which will be about $65 billion as it stands now. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself T has to accept $21 billion in BLS debt. The original price was $77-78 billion plus the debt making it a near $100 billion merger.
It doesn't really matter: T shareholders will get the stick since it is a "cashless" merger.
If you figure the market value drop of T then BLS stock dropping too, one could argue a replay of Time Warner writing off AOL. In the end, T stockholders will pay dearly for the buyout unless they are willing to wait a few years providing T doesn't bungle it (or continue to lose 3 million POTS customers a quarter).
Exactly where is BLS and T putting VDSL2? 3000 ft from the CO which leaves out what 85% of customers??? | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself Not going to argue the numbers but the announcement had it set at 1.32 shares of T for a share of BLS. Figure it out from there.
"Exactly where is BLS and T putting VDSL2"
You unfamiliar with the colossal number of FTTC customers BLS currently has? | |
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join:2003-09-12
Appleton, WI
clubs: | It doesn't have to be 3000ft from the CO. They are running fiber to the node, which they will place in neighborhoods and run copper the rest of the way. That node will be like the CO, so it will be like they are closer to the CO. | |
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| said by bogey780 :'Unlike copper (24 mgs is max)' That is incorrect. The VDSL2 standard is up to 100mb/s and the ADSL2+ standard supports seamless bonding to allow as many multiples of 24mb/s as Bell cares to build out. How far can they serve it from the CO?If its only 2 or 3 miles they won't have everyone using it.
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself 1 mile frmm the DSLAM for ADSL2+. VDSL2 is about 800ft which is well within range for the plant design.
Currently the upgrades Bell is deploying are in order to make this likely. By next year there should be about a 50-55% availability and by 2009 it'll be 75-80%. | |
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join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself I think bogey780 is a BLS or SBC employee???
Ask BLS DSL ifitl customers how bad BLS fiber is. They will tell you: 1.5 mg, that's it???? I can't upgrade? What blithering moron decided that crap??? I can't home network without a MCSE certification and a $5000 router in my house???
3,000 ft is only little over 1/2 mile from the home. Now if these morons would put RTs out, you could get DSL 6.0 up to 18,000 ft from the home (whopping 3 miles+).
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Re: AT&T is deluding itself Huh? Do you know anything about FTTC platforms? The 1.5 limitation is a limitation of the 1st generation IFITL platform which composes a small part of the BST FTTC network and is schecduled for a complete overhaul sometime in the future. It's only stuck at 1.5 because Tellabs abandoned the platform for the most part and never came out with upgrades. The MX platform fully supports high bandwidth applications and the VDSL2 stuff isn't that far off.
And the RT doesn't "amplify" a DSL signal to allow greater range. It simply acts as the CO DSLAM would out in the field. The magic number for ADSL2+ is 5k for that. Which is something BST is pursuing. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Re: Uh, Yeah... Even worse, they see bringing fiber "within 3000 feet of a home" as a major accomplishment. | |
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| macflauaus
join:2005-10-08
Nashville, IL
| And I'll Still Be One Of Those People... While all this fiber to the home and IPTV, etc. is great, there are still going to be people like me, who won't be able to still get DSL, much less fiber to my house. They need to get themselves together in rural areas. They are really, really screwing up.
I know I'm in Illinois, but I'm 50 miles away from St. Louis, so my house has a slim chance of getting fiber to my house, none the less, my community. Great work AT&T.  | |
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| Re: And I'll Still Be One Of Those People... said by macflauaus :While all this fiber to the home and IPTV, etc. is great, there are still going to be people like me, who won't be able to still get DSL, much less fiber to my house. They need to get themselves together in rural areas. They are really, really screwing up. I know I'm in Illinois, but I'm 50 miles away from St. Louis, so my house has a slim chance of getting fiber to my house, none the less, my community. Great work AT&T. I'm really sorry to hear that. Being stuck on Dial Up because you live in a rural area blows. I spent 4 years on Dial up and then got the Cable connection I have now. The difference is huge and I will never go back.
I'm sorry to say that as far as I can see now, you have two choices: Move somewhere where you know you get faster speeds and better service or hope that one of the phone or cable providers will get the message and come to you instead.
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join:2005-10-08
Nashville, IL | Re: And I'll Still Be One Of Those People... Either that, or get satellite internet.  I don't think moving is such a good idea. | |
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jammmin
join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD
| AT & T/SBC is crap Deny, deny, deny. SBC/AT & T has been talking about IPTV and Project Pronto for years. Yet to see any rollout.
Verizon came out of the blue and let their feet did the talking with FIOS and FIOS TV in 7 states and growing.
Now tell me, who is talking BS.
Go Verizon. AT & T is crap and they know it. | |
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Indymike
join:2004-12-06
Indianapolis, IN | What good is it? "at 4000 feet"????
What good will this do me as I am 16,000 feet from the CO???
Sheeeeeeeeeesh | |
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| lemonade
join:2003-12-13
Los Angeles, CA | Re: What good is it? i am at 9000 feets, i can't even get the ATT new elite pakage (6/700 something...) | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: What good is it? said by lemonade :i am at 9000 feets, i can't even get the ATT new elite pakage (6/700 something...) Depends how badly you want it. How much frustration can you put up with?sbcdirect is so busy you'll wait 5 days then another 7 days for upgrade. That's what I meant. | |
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| said by Indymike :... What good will this do me as I am 16,000 feet from the CO??? ... they will do fiber from the CO to within "3000 or 4000 ft" of your house, then use the copper from there. Assuming they do it where you live. | |
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phoneboy2
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| It helps keep the investors off their back! That's all you need to understand!
It's not what is real but what is perceived. It's no different than Enron really! All corporations are the same at that level. Enron just took it one step further and turned it into a religion. An evil incestuous religion. | |
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| Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! ENRON, weren't they were from Texas ... SBC, now at&t they're Texas based now. Haliburton, yep Texas ... and the grand master of it all GWB ... oopps that's not right, Mr. Cheney anyone ... when his name gets into the fray the words evil, incestuous and religion often come up. | |
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join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL
| Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! i guess this will prove to be "the beginning of the end" for at&t. BAD MANAGEMENT CALL!!!! Make the most of the time you have and deploy ftth before it's too late!!! DOCSIS 3.0 will not have mercy! 6 meg hsi isn't going to cut it! The swanni has spoken.......... | |
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! Why would cable deploy DOCSIS 3.0 in stable markets? It makes no sense as cable's service is already superior. | |
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Hollywood, FL | Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! then why is it that cable cannot keep up with verizon? I think you are misinformed to say the least. | |
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@shawcable.net | Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! He is generalizing and you are pointing out the 1 in 100 exception. An extremely small percentage of people have FTTH and that is not changing anytime soon. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | You're kidding, right?
With BPON Verizon is selling down their speed to match cable. To outdo FIOS cable would have to switch to DOCSIS 3.0 and even then Verizon could still blow them away with their GPON conversion. | |
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| DOCSIS3 is not about the benefit to the end user. It's about the benefit to the provider. It simply gives their network more capacity without having to do major expensive upgrades. It does not mean they will give YOU a bigger piece of that increased capacity. That is more of a competitive issue.
As another poster pointed out, cable is SOoooo far ahead right now (in most markets) that they are in no hurry. They will upgrade when the time is right to make sure they keep their lead. The Telco's are in deep dodo and they know it!
Even with all the talk about FTTH rollouts, the Cable Co's could do the same thing right now for much less as they are already FTTN (node or neighbourhood, same same). Coax has a heck of a lot of capacity already though. I think there would have to be the need for a whole other type of ultra high bandwidth service before coax capacity would start to limit out. | |
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New York, NY | Re: It helps keep the investors off their back! Right, but since when has cable cared about the quality of their networks when you can cap, throttle, and suspend. | |
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Hazelwood, MO
| Its all irrelevant. Both technologies will continue to mature and the speeds will get faster and faster.
In the future everyone will have fiber to their homes / businesses and it will be delivered with pretty much any amount of bandwidth you need. All copper will be replaced because it is much more expensive to maintain. They may not do it all at once, but it will happen eventually and at a minimum it will happen when they do a repair.
They are already talking about fiber getting an 80x boost using multiple lights. Copper will never keep up with that and so eventually it will be changed to fiber. | |
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paddyjm
join:2003-10-18
Austin, TX | FTTP Why do so many of you think that FTTH is the only method AT&T is using for Lightspeed/U-verse? There are at least 6 new subdivisions or new sections of subdivisions in my town that have FTTP. | |
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join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL | Re: FTTP forgive me for correcting you but i believe fttp & ftth are the same sir. | |
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join:2006-04-15
Smithville, TX | Re: FTTP FTTP is Fiber to the Premise...FTTN is Fiber to the Node or if you want neighborhood | |
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jtorre69
join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL | poobah i'm surprised poobah hasn't come to post his regular corporate bashing comment. Oh, oh, and not to say the use of his favorite word; neocon! | |
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Austin, TX | Re: poobah Excuse me but that was a typo. I meant fttp and fttn. | |
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| attsbcisgay
join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| said by jtorre69 :i'm surprised poobah hasn't come to post his regular corporate bashing comment. Oh, oh, and not to say the use of his favorite word; neocon! poobah is a curse word in chinese, remember not to use these words around chinese or in china. They'll all look at you kind of funny. | |
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| Ying and Yang "...we're pleased with the video quality and the features are working as planned." It's one thing with what you are pleased with... entirely different is what the CUSTOMERS are pleased with.
"This gives us more than adequate bandwidth to provide four streams of high-quality video (including one high-definition stream), high-speed Internet access and, in the future, consumer voice over IP services,..." And what about for 2008, when other services are already rolled out by other companies? Not only will it just be a copy, they will probably be able to support more streams than you at that time.
"For now, Koenig insists that pair bonding and compression will deliver an additional bandwidth boost if and when 25Mbps becomes too tight a fit..." Pair-bonding, maybe. Compression... probably not.
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| AT&T - need an FTTH solution for tomarrows network the problem with waiting is that if your bet is wrong with all the quad plays, att stock can drown. Imagine this, imagine a 30% copper failure rate, imagine this in the midst of say a theoretical offering from the competative cable company saying "ok were offering all channels HDTV, even just 30mbps.
I compare AT&T and the cable company to a sports car with an ailing engine to a new sports car with a 300hp engine and the latter saying "don't worry mine purrr's just fine". AT&T, this may be fine now but when it all hits the fan and if your wrong for not building FTTH now and i'm almost sure you will be, there won't be any time to recover cause customers will be running to the competative cable company in droves.
I'd just like to say, im sure, at least for now that with all this copper working good you can manage to keep up with the technology but pair ailing copper, a sudden burst of technology for the competitor & new more speed demanding offerings to the formula and there won't be enough time to recover before your losing customres by the dozens. | |
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