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join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
clubs: | Bought It's really easy to see that (probably the same) 33/34 politicians are really in the telco's pockets.
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phantom6294
join:2002-02-27
Abingdon, MD | Sigh... Sigh...
there really isn't much more I can say... | |
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
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join:2002-12-03
United State | Re: Sigh... It must be difficult for our local telco suits to talk out of both sides of the lying corporate mouths at the same time.
I know it was a lie, their mouths moved in unison.
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Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
clubs: | Sooo..... So what do we pay the "Universal Service Fund" tax for?
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Sooo..... Yeah, I guess there's no need for a 'Universal Service Fund' if buildout isn't going to be regulated anymore. | |
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join:2006-04-19
Oak Creek, WI | Re: Sooo..... GOOD POINT ... I be the Universal Service Fund will be next to go ! | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH | Re: Sooo..... I wouldn't hold my breath. How much of that fund do you think actually goes to what it is intended for? Politicians' wallets are ALWAYS having open-houses.
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| Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | I believe it is to fund the Spanish American war which started in 19th century? I promise, we've got them on the run.. or we're being over-run, one of those.. | |
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK
| Re: A little something for everybody in today's cmmttee action quote:
The only losers, apparently, are the content providers. They didn't get anything they want. They better start figuring out how to charge for their product, because they won't be able to make the ISPs carry a majority of the costs if this law passes.
And just how do ISPs bear the costs of content providers providing content? They're apparently trying to make themselves obsolete - without content, there is no reason to access the Internet, and I bet you can figure out what people will do with their DSL and cable Internet access if there's nothing they need it for. | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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| Remarkable. Simply remarkable.
You really *are* an astroturfer, aren't you?
Oh, the only losers are the vast majority of the citizens, who already pay a lot of money for their Internet access.
But it seems that those people, the real funders of the Internet, are the lowest common denominator to you. | |
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | Re: A little something for everybody in today's cmmttee action It's disgusting isn't it.
Frankly I'm rather sick that it's allowed to continue.
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Google costs the ISPs nothing, Youtube costs the ISPs nothing, XM Internet stream costs the ISPs nothing.
why? because not only do these content providers have to pay for their pipe but the person getting the content is overpaying for their pipe. basicly the costs are covered, and the communications industry cant say otherwise because they are making tons of money in the profit department(i mean their VPs make close to a million or more a year)
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| | Techman21
join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA | Re: A little something for everybody in today's cmmttee action Why does that sound eerily familiar? Oh yeah that gas thing going on... | |
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | That's another little something these telcos seem to like to exclude - the content provider's peering and hosting costs, which I'm sure quite a bit of trickles back into the telco's pocket, at least AT&T and Verizon. | |
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| ross
join:2000-08-16
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2 edits | said by LiamJunket  :Looks like almost everybody got something in today's committee action to rewrite the telcomm act of 1996. The Muni-wifi crowd get to erase laws in 14 states that prevents cities from providing internet access with public money. But bad news for taxpayers in some of those cities that might get a go ahead to stick them for overpriced systems. Luckily, most cities have dropped the idea of taxpayer funded muni systems and have switched to ad-supported or for-pay systems. The telcos and cable companies get a reprieve from draconian net neutrality laws that try to make them the b`tches of the content providers. And the ISPs get to roll out their products without giving cities the power to tell them who they have to provide service to. ISPs can now schedule rollouts so that the areas most likely to generate profits come first. The only losers, apparently, are the content providers. They didn't get anything they want. They better start figuring out how to charge for their product, because they won't be able to make the ISPs carry a majority of the costs if this law passes. Of course, this is only the beginning of the game. The whole House of Representatives have to pass it. And then the Senate must pass their version. And then a compromise bill must be agreed to in House/Senate negotiations. And then the compromise must be passed by both Houses of Congress. With all that, we may not get any bill this year. And then it would start all over again in 2007 with a whole new Congress. No one but the telecom industry won anything in the defeat of the amendments to the "Telco-Communications Opportunity to implement "final solution" to competition, Promotion of Telco Oligopolist self-interest, providing for the degradation and/or denial of technological advancements and Enhancements, both current and future, and socially destructive practices Act of 2006" today because the Act itself still breathes; steam-rolling along like every other industry-serving, anti-consumer, pork-barreling steaming-turd of predatory capitalism served up and foisted upon the American public by this administration and its industry-owned appointees.
EVERYONE else loses!
The Telcos will continue to rail against and sue, ad infinitum, any/all Muni-WiFi projects into oblivion, or "promo-rate" them out of business with targeted, locally discounted service unavailable in other Telco service areas.
The Telcos will continue to red-line economically unprofitable services areas in violation of their obligations under Universal Service regulations; which slush funds they continue to suck out of the wallets of all consumers without oversight, accounting or benefit to consumers.
Everyone else loses as the Telcos convert the information superhighway into a miasmatic labyrinth of dirt lanes, gravel tracks and cul de sacs replete with toll booths, tariffs and surcharges of every description for every bit, byte, and packet of digital interaction traversing the synapses of the Internet, effectively double- and triple-dipping by surcharging all parties for services already subscribed and paid for at both ends of every link. Any trickle of utility remaining will be pummeled to death by the wardens of the DMCA.
Fateful words these:
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packetscan
Premium
join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | I can't wait for the day someone @ bbr pulls your card.
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truedalife
join:2003-01-10
Brooklyn, MD
| Sad day for the poor Sad day for the poor hard working families. I live in one of these areas in Baltimore, MD. and we'll never see Fios deployment here possibly until the very end of the rebuild.
You know everybody is commenting lately on the abolishment of franchise agreements, but this is the very reason why a franchise agreement is needed. So that no one is left disenfranchised. I should have access to the same communication type services that any other resident in my State has access to.
Again the haves keep getting, while the have not keep getting the shaft. Just my poor 2 cent here! | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: Sad day for the poor said by truedalife :I should have access to the same communication type services that any other resident in my State has access to. If the company can make a profit and if you can pay for it. Otherwise, get a job, save some money, and move to a better area if you want the BEST broadband service.
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quetwo
That VoIP Guy
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join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
| Re: Sad day for the poor said by LiamJunket :said by truedalife :I should have access to the same communication type services that any other resident in my State has access to. If the company can make a profit and if you can pay for it. Otherwise, get a job, save some money, and move to a better area if you want the BEST broadband service. What if I live in a poorer area (lets say, one of the people trying to revitalize an area, or moving into a trendy old building/loft)? I am able and willing to spend the money to get broadband. How about the middle-class whom often get ignored by mandatory build outs of poor communities, and ignored by the red-liners? | |
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| | moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by LiamJunket :said by truedalife :I should have access to the same communication type services that any other resident in my State has access to. If the company can make a profit and if you can pay for it. Otherwise, get a job, save some money, and move to a better area if you want the BEST broadband service. So are you also upset with the fact that a muni project can be built and a telco or cable company can't say no?
Nearly every muni project is being stopped because of the competition argument yet if a company won't wire an area, that area should be able to get wired up by any way they want INCLUDING a muni. If no cable company or telco is servicing the area, how can a muni be competition? | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: Sad day for the poor said by moonpuppy :So are you also upset with the fact that a muni project can be built and a telco or cable company can't say no? Not if the taxpayers aren't paying for it. I have no problem with the ad-supported and for-pay citywide WiFi models.
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join:2006-01-03
New York, NY
| Re: Sad day for the poor If you are a business and broadband is so important to you at high speeds then you will shell out for a T1 or T3. If not then that clearly indicates it to be a luxury that you can live without or can live on dial-up. When you are choosing you the neighborhood you live in and you finally move into one you don't whine about every little thing such as why there is not built in swimming pool or park etc... | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| You're an idiot. Yeah move to get better internet. Any more dumb ideas? Show me someone that does than and I show someone almost as stupid as you.
Do you work for a teleco or something? the lsoers are the CONSUMERS. ALL of them. Bellsouth doesn't need Google to pay them for access. I already pay Bellsouth for that access. WTF do you think my $37.95 is going for? if you think it actually cost Bellsouth $37.95 to provide me with internet acces for a month I have a gold mine in the everglades to sell you. I also give Bellsouth $2.97 a month in a universal service charge so poorer areas can have access ot broadband but now telecos don't have to provide this sercice. Well I want that $2.97 taken off my bill and paid back to me retro-actively. | |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| Re: Sad day for the poor said by BF69 :You're an idiot. Yeah move to get better internet. Any more dumb ideas? Show me someone that does than and I show someone almost as stupid as you. I suppose all those people who buy a new house and choose to deliberately move to an area that has Verizon FIOS as opposed to AT&T or Comcast are idiots?
The only people that are fools these days and the ones who move and DO NOT check to see if BB is available in that area. And some people in some areas still don't get Cable TV.
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BPLSUCKS
@comcast.net
| Better get packing Better get packing...I'm moving to japan or england...they know how to do broadband (cept for the caps in england). We need a "geek" president or at least one with the intelligence to know what the terms:broadband,monopoly,dsl,cable,modem,dial-up,and MA BELL mean. Soon we are going to be back to square one with the break-ups with comcast buying cable co's left and right and with AT&T going for merges with bellsouth and possible talks with verizon we may just see a day where everything is owned by one company and we are screwed because instead of a regulated monopoly we have an unregulated monopoly that can do what it pleases and charge what it pleaeses. But the day that corps or ISP's charge for content I disconnect my HSI and go back to dial up. | |
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| Odie97
join:2006-04-19
Oak Creek, WI | The World is Flat and America Just Went Below Flat A once an powerful nation just fell even further behind ... while today we are living in a flat world ... the USA just went "flat-line"
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| It's good that this died. You can't force a company to ignore simple economics in deployment of a newer and more expensive product. A company needs to make money. It is perfectly logical and should definitely be acceptable to service areas that will make them more money first. And that definitely is not affluent neighborhoods. The middle class can surprisingly afford 40 a month just like the extremely rich. | |
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| moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Re: It's good that this died. Fine, however, no company has the right to tell anyone else that they can't deploy into an area that is not being serviced by anyone. Just because you MIGHT service that area, doesn't give any company the right to shut anyone else out. | |
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join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| Re: It's good that this died. No...but then that is where Mr. Money bags comes in and says nope you can't service here. It says so in FCC Article 100000032 section 89 of part Z that you're not allowed to place antenna here for a wifi network, but....if you slip me a a few hundred Wilson's I'll be happy to oblige.
For those of you who don't know Wilson is printed on the 100,000 bill....actually I had to look that one up. (these are no longer printed) | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: It's good that this died. said by Techman21 :For those of you who don't know Wilson is printed on the 100,000 bill....actually I had to look that one up. (these are no longer printed) They also no longer exist. There are a handful of $10,000 bills around but supposedly all the $100,000 bills are out of circulation and illegal to own.
»www.thememoryhole.org/econ/big-bills/ | |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| .. Once again the posters of this board forget that these companies are BUSINESSES and have to stretegically deploy their services SENSIBLY. They have people to pay, materials and equipment to pay for and have resposibility to their shareholders ! As they continue to expand the fiber networks, they will and MUST start with the most profitable areas first !!!
For the Love of god, PLEASE dont ever start your own businesses people. Its harder to declare bankrupcy these days. | |
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| ross
join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
1 edit | Re: .. said by ITALIAN926 :Once again the posters of this board forget that these companies are BUSINESSES and have to stretegically deploy their services SENSIBLY. They have people to pay, materials and equipment to pay for and have resposibility to their shareholders ! As they continue to expand the fiber networks, they will and MUST start with the most profitable areas first !!! For the Love of god, PLEASE dont ever start your own businesses people. Its harder to declare bankrupcy these days. I have no problem with that as long as they forgo collecting and redirecting USF fees, or any other fees collected for providing universal service, toward any infrastructure that does not serve previously unserved, underserved, hard to serve, or unprofitable to serve areas/customers.
Don't want to serve all equally, give back the USF fees collected for that purpose.
Oh, be sure to let us know when the poor Telcos are about to declare bankruptcy for any reason other than to break their union contracts and dump their pension obligations on the federal government. | |
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