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join:2004-07-23
Las Vegas, NV
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| 300kbps? That's pretty chickenshit. Why would the city of San Fran agree to that?
Slow speeds, get adware inundated and have google record your every keystroke. I wanna use that service.  | |
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| zduice
join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA | 300kbps is more than enough for streaming music at 128 kbps while browsing webpages and emailing. It's free, if you wany more.. pay for more. | |
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antwanp
ObamaBiden 2008 I voted, did you?
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join:2002-05-14
Cedar Hill, TX
clubs:  | Re: 300kbps? Exactly! | |
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join:2005-03-17
Cerritos, CA | Re: 300kbps? Ill take anything that is free but 300kbps... hell sounds good to me  | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: 300kbps? Great! What a thing for the tourist business. Good place for local businesses to run ad's on. This will help with another project in San Fransisco, PDA's for bums. 
Hey Joe just text messaged me Market Street Pastries is throwing out donuts, the dumpster is full of them.....
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join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL | Re: 300kbps? hahahahaha!!!!!!!!! | |
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Tell Joe if there are any blueberry bagels in there  | |
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| Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | 300kbps is like lightning.. You obviously never lived with 1200baud (and lower) dial-up.. | |
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join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA | JoeyDee, your just another troll it seems... | |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
Premium
join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| said by JoeyDee  :That's pretty chickenshit. Why would the city of San Fran agree to that? Slow speeds, get adware inundated and have google record your every keystroke. I wanna use that service. Big huge diff between adware and add supported ware. They will likly use a system like free i and net zero did few years back. The dialer they used had a banner add that would come up when you connected it was 10x10 pixels smaller than typical website banner adds of the time. The ad software was only active when your connection was even when you had the dialer minimized to systemtray the app for the banner was not running. Cant recall the exact name but was pretty obvious somethign along the lines of adsystem.exe. When you closed out the dialer completly it was very obvious it was all gone as all that was left running was your normal procs your comp would have had (in my case windows 98 at the time).
I dont know why people are so quick to call ad supported software and service spyware or adware or any thing of the sort.
Many people use the ad supported opera browser yet dont call it adware or spyware infested. Yet google and earthlink decide to run a trial on wireless broadband for free supported by ads and every one jumps to the conclusion that its spyware.
Now thats not to say this service isnt going to suck for other reasons. The could go the route netzero did with their free dial up isp and disconnect you if you covered up the banner with any on top window such as full screen only games. I beleive netzero still does this i know juno who is in buiss with them does this and these are now paid only isps. Sorry if i pay for a isp i dnt want advertisments splatered on my screen and i sure as hell dont want my net restritec to only web browsers and email clients no thanks.
Maybe they will have a bit of a brain and use a pop up dialog for you to click every 2 or 3 hours.
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| googem
join:2005-12-20
Weehawken, NJ | 300kbps is blazing speed for a lot of people who are still on dialup and for many more who can not afford to pay for it. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: 300kbps? I was just reading Google will track San Fransisco WiFi users to with in 100 to 200 feet of their location in order to target them with ad's for businesses in their immediate area.
»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12188577/
I personally think this is a great idea. If you are a tourist in the City it would be nice to have such pin point information.
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 free is nice | |
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screwthisbox
@il.us
| Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 It doesn't matter. 300Kbps is the dial up of 2006, with new technology I and everyone else should expect more. We can deliver speeds of Gbps but yet we are only being supplied nothing but mere crumbs by ISPs at speed of something like 10Mbps. I thought capitalism was suppose to invoke competition but apparently it does nothing more for competition than what communism does. | |
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join:2004-03-09
Dallas, TX | Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 then build your own isp...and u can pay for all the bandwidth and fiber you want lol | |
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danza
Premium
join:2002-08-23 | Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 300kb is slow? What do you want to do with a free wireless? BT? download porn?
It's plenty for people who want to enjoy a nice afternoon in the city while chatting with friends over skype or checking out maps or mails on the go. | |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 said by danza :300kb is slow? What do you want to do with a free wireless? BT? download porn? It's plenty for people who want to enjoy a nice afternoon in the city while chatting with friends over skype or checking out maps or mails on the go. Well if thats 300kb up and down thats more than enough for some pretty hardcore gamming. Friend of mine was startign up his own paid wireless isp 1500 up and down (yes yes very nice speeds pretty high bandwidth to heh) I haveroad runner 3500+ down what the hell ever up dont know dont care just know its over 300 up. My ping times are pretty decent to most places in low 50 to low 60s. To same sites i was pinging he was getting 10 to 20 ms at most. Now range on his was about 4 miles no antena with one that range was over 8 miles. This was with a 9 inch dish antena for wireless and the tranceiver was sitting on his shops roof during the tests. Speed drop off was pretty minimal over the distances he could get from it. Unfortunatly do to a idiot city building inspector telling him he needed no permit to erect the tower and the same idiot refused to isue one he never got off the ground. The city made him tare down the tower 10k to erect and same to take it down + cost of tower another 12k.
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| It's a myth that bandwidth costs money. It costs nothing to produce, nothing to distribute. The only reason it's priced so unreasonably high is because of a handful of companies that sit on the big pipes and demand huge tolls to play with their hardware. There's tons of unused capacity, but it pays to create an artificial valuation, the way they do with the price of gas. Do you really think it costs $1000 a month to run a little voltage down a T1 line? | |
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
 ·Speakeasy
| Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 Uhm, yes it does cost to distribute, because you need to buy the equipment to do so. Which is why we need router's, which is why we need switches, anything internally is based on distribution and when you consider a citywide WiFi network costs rise.
So while it does not cost to reproduce, to distribute there are costs. Plus when you consider hundreds if not thousands of users using this WiFi network your going to need a real fat pipe. It might look small when you look at one user, but when you look at the whole picture it will actually cost you.
Plus there not demanding any tolls, they are just going to show you advertisement, etc. Not every ISP is out there is evil. Plus T1's go into the $400 range I don't know where did you get those numbers. | |
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007 "Uhm, yes it does cost to distribute, because you need to buy the equipment to do so."
No, that's build-out. I'm talking about bandwidth. Even if you amortized the cost of build-out into the service, you'd still be talking about fractions of a penny on the dollar compared to what the big ISPs charge. And the main build-out, the important high-bandwidth connections, have been paid for a thousand times over, and a thousand times again.
"Plus T1's go into the $400 range I don't know where did you get those numbers."
I got them from the lowest quote to run a T1 to one of my potential tower sites. | |
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join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA
| This service is obviously not being marketed to someone like you, the power user, but towards the casual user. If a free service offered 3 mbit download speeds it would only be a matter of time before the network's bandwidth is overly utilized by just few leeching users 24/7 making it crawl well below 300 kbps. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by ftthz : free is nice "Nothings cheaper than free"
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA
| From the local newspaper -
Earthlink and Google plans to charge $20/month for wireless access.
Oh sure, $20 for 300kbps. HAHAHAHA
SOmeone should mention about SBC $12 a month DSL | |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20 | Been there, done that - Santa Clara, Cupertino, & Sunnyvale MetroFi has already done this in the South Bay -- in the next city over from Google HQ. | |
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Google/Earthlink to Unwire San Fran
Rollout won't begin until 2007
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