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H0H 0H0 | Disappointing It disappoints me that the ARRL has taken an "I'm alright Jack" attitude to this by saying it doesn't affect amateur frequencies, when in fact it is going to hurt LOTS of other parts of the spectrum. | |
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| Re: Disappointing said by sbrook  :It disappoints me that the ARRL has taken an "I'm alright Jack" attitude to this by saying it doesn't affect amateur frequencies, when in fact it is going to hurt LOTS of other parts of the spectrum. And what activities are going to be impacted by Current's system?
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| Re: Disappointing said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article.
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Who uses 30 - 50 MHz? Many State and local Law enforcement agencies and highway maintenance agencies, not to mention a host of other public service agencies and industrial users. | |
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My county Sheriffs Ofc uses 460Mhz as primary, but 46, 41, and 42Mhz as tactical channels.
Florida Dept of Corrections uses 45mhz.
Florida Dept of Transportation uses 45 and 47mhz.
Florida Highway Patrol still uses (although not near as much as they used to) 45mhz across the state.
And lets not forget about all the fast food joints. The menuboard->headset freq of 95% of the joints is below 40mhz.
Theres these and a crapload of other agencies that use sub50Mhz for their primary communication, not all of which have the benefit of a large body like the ARRL on their side.
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The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. | |
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| Re: Disappointing said by shashinka :This is being deployed in Texas, right? The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. You DO realize that the FCC has been FSCKING up constantly over the past year, right?
You DO realize that the ARRL is viewed as a quasi-honorable organization concerned with wise and correct use of the spectrum, right?
What this tells me is that the ARRL are money whores like pretty much any other organization I've run across in my too many years.
So the ARRL, ONCE concerned with wise spectrum use for ALL frequencies, has now whored itself to a BPL carrier...
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| Re: Disappointing said by DaDogs :said by shashinka :This is being deployed in Texas, right? The ARRL is not funded to worry about the whole spectrum, this is up to the FCC and those affected. So the ARRL, ONCE concerned with wise spectrum use for ALL frequencies, has now whored itself to a BPL carrier... I can't recall the ARRL ever being concerned for all frequencies, although maybe remotely shortwave broadcast since many hams are SWLs. Can you cite an example were the ARRL lobbied for non-ham spectrum in some official public way?
Many have said this before, but the one and only issue that ARRL and ham radio has with BPL is with interference to ham radio. If a BPL carrier can honestly fix that problem without smoke and mirrors, and not be continual thorn in our sides, hams have nothing to complain about (much to the dismay of trolls and ham bashers here). The NTIA documented the issues with aeronautical frequencies, and the FCC implemented some protection for them, but if it isn't sufficient, it's the fault of the NTIA and FCC and they'll have to answer for it. Commercial interests that will be affected need to spend their money to protect their interests, not that of ARRL members. Myself and others may argue that BPL on any frequency is a bad scene, but I'm not going to pay to convince an unresponsive, heavily politicized FCC to protect a for-profit business. The ARRL has made bad decisions in the past, but this isn't one of them. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article. Lower VHF TV channels, business two way radio, and in some areas low band VHF public safety. I say "in some areas" as a lot of public safety is now in high band VHF ( ~150 Mhz) and the 800/900 Mhz spectrum. You'll see low band used in more rural areas or in areas with less money or incentives (like frequency congestion) to move public safety to other bands.
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H0H 0H0 | Re: Disappointing The thing is that it doesn't MATTER what's in the 30-50 MHz spectrum. BPL will create a lot of "splatter", everytime it hits a transformer, ever cable joint etc.
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| Re: Disappointing said by sbrook :The thing is that it doesn't MATTER what's in the 30-50 MHz spectrum. BPL will create a lot of "splatter", everytime it hits a transformer, ever cable joint etc. It's a ridiculous technology. I won't disagree that it's ridiculous technology, however I'd rather have this in 30 - 50 Mhz than plunked on the spectrum below 30 Mhz. Much of the communications in 30 to 50 Mhz is FM and local communications, often using repeaters and/or used in vehicles with electrically noisy engines to begin with. Receive signal levels are in general higher that what you work with on HF (1-30 Mhz). On HF, one often receives signals just above the noise floor, something most BPL proponents just don't understand. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by RadioDoc :Read the article: 30-50 MHz I saw that wise guy. What I was asking was what services are affected? And that isn't in the article. Get off your lazy butt and do some research on your own. There are hundreds of different services in that frequency range.
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| said by sbrook :It disappoints me that the ARRL has taken an "I'm alright Jack" attitude to this by saying it doesn't affect amateur frequencies, when in fact it is going to hurt LOTS of other parts of the spectrum. It has been the ARRL's stance from the beginning to strive for protection of amateur radio spectrum only. BPL interests would probably try to invalidate ARRL's issues with BPL and amateur radio spectrum if it started complaining about other services that it had no stake in. I tend to agree with them, though it's sad other services have basically done little to nothing to protect their spectrum.
As I mentioned two articles ago, Current has been very successful with the Cincinnati trial, with no unresolved interference issues. TXU did have an earlier trial with Amperion that had unresolved issues and was deactivated before the FCC could take action. I don't recall TXU ever fessing up to the interference, but their decision to go with Current says a lot. | |
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There really isn't that much use of the 30-50 Mhz "Low band" any more. Most of the state police agencies that used it are long gone to trunked, million dollar Motorola garbage.
Of course, when they finally auction off the analog TV VHF spectrum and move public safety to 700 Mhz, all those million dollar Motorola systems will be so much scrap and the equipment will hit the surplus market. I can see the hams licking their chops now. Mobiles and HT's for a song, trunking systems on the cheap....Hams will finally get to use some of the UHF and microwave spectrum they have. | |
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| Re: Besides said by Fatal Vector :There really isn't that much use of the 30-50 Mhz "Low band" any more. Most of the state police agencies that used it are long gone to trunked, million dollar Motorola garbage. Of course, when they finally auction off the analog TV VHF spectrum and move public safety to 700 Mhz, all those million dollar Motorola systems will be so much scrap and the equipment will hit the surplus market. I can see the hams licking their chops now. Mobiles and HT's for a song, trunking systems on the cheap....Hams will finally get to use some of the UHF and microwave spectrum they have. This is a totally anecdotal statistic (no link provided, standard disclaimers apply  ), but I know there's at least one antenna manufacturer that is still pumping out about 2000 low band VHF base station/repeater antennas a year, so there's still a lot of use. Like most things technological, trends are cyclic. You'll see low band VHF become sexy once again after the higher bands get too congested or the county $100M high tech system fails.
I don't see the FCC reallocating UHF or microwave spectrum to hams. Hams have plenty of UHF and microwave to work with now. | |
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| Re: Besides The military is a big user of frequencies in the upper part of this frequency range. I wish they would not pollute the 6 meter region because it has some very interesting propagation characteristics. The 49 mhz area is one I have used when I was in the Army National Guard and we used to be able to talk from Camp Guernsey, Wyoming to Ft Carson, Colorado from our vehicles which is a range of just short of 300 miles. It is a very nice mobile frequency.
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| said by sbrook :It disappoints me that the ARRL has taken an "I'm alright Jack" attitude to this by saying it doesn't affect amateur frequencies, when in fact it is going to hurt LOTS of other parts of the spectrum. The ARRL is essentially a trade association which is empowered to act in the interests of its members, and they should confine themselves to their proper constituency.
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| Have you really thought that disappointment through? ARRL staff have agonized over it.
In the first place, with several million HomePlug modems deployed -- the modems used on HF by Current Technologies -- ARRL does not have a single report of harmful interference involving Amateur Radio. To ARRL's knowledge, there have been no reports about HomePlug modems filed with the FCC involving shortwave listening, even reports by amateurs. In Cincinatti, although some noise was observed by me on the shortwave bands, of 50,000 homes passed, there were no reports of harmful interfernce to Amateur Radio or shortwave broadcasting, even by the hams there.
The system deployed in Texas is almost certain to be the next generation of HomePlug devices. Under the FCC rules, it will have to have the ability to notch any spectrum as needed, so if there were to be interference reports by those other spectrum users, the manufacturer will have the ability to address them.
ARRL has standing to speak for Amateur Radio. The real disappointment is that the other users of the spectrum, groups like APCO and the international shortwave broadcasters, have not spoken much at all for themselves. In
the presence of their silence, ARRL cannot and should not try to speak outside its standing. If it were to do so, the BPL industry would pounce on that, claiming that these other radiocommunications users do not see an interference problem, but ARRL is making up one that doesn't exist.
They would then use that to try to completely discredit ARRL's legitimate concerns for interference in the ham bands.
The League has worked with these other entities and made its information available to them. All they would have to do to make good use of it is to do 10% of the work that ARRL has put into this effort, and to allow their speaking out to give standing to ARRL to be able to support them as they address their interference concerns.
They have not, and under the circumstances, unless your disappointment extends to being willing to lose credibility for Amateur Radio, ARRL must continue to work within its standing to speak for Amateur Radio.
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| Re: Disappointing said by MysticGogeta :Who cares get a cell phone or nextel if you want some walkie talkies its time to change There's always somebody that says that every time the topic comes up. To me isn't the issue of what spectrum they're using, it's that BPL should be confined to the wire and not bleed into the open air. If it's bleeding, you can be sure it's going to bleed all over the place because of harmonic frequencies and the like. An unintentional emmiter capable of squelching parts of the radio spectrum is a alarming.
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| Re: Disappointing said by MysticGogeta :Im sorry but id rather have more compatition in broadband then haveing a radio frequency i never use Well, duh, but that's not the issue. When you have radio signal coming off of a wire and bleeding into free space any and all frequencies could be impacted. So if you're willing to give up your emergency services (police, fire, ambulance, disaster recovery)... | |
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| Re: BPL is a failed "technology" All BPL systems operate under part15, the two key rules;
(1) May not cause harmful interference.
(2) Must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.
It is up to the FCC and the BPL companies to clean up their systems; by shutting them down.
BPL was first tried almost 10 years ago and has never worked, it never will.
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| Re: the only interference to BPL are the hamsters > UPLC and the BPL companies want to work with them... but
> they won`t cooperate.... that`s why ... U.S is lagging
> behind other countries in the broadband arena !!!
I'm afraid you have this one exactly backwards. The industry is doing its best to portray ARRL as non-cooperative, but I would think that there is enough evidence to the contrary to convince you.
Just a few highlights:
o The IEEE EMC Society ran a BPL track at its last event. A number of BPL companies were invited to speak. They accepted, but en masse, several weeks before the event, they all cancelled.
o ARRL has an ongoing dialogue with Current Technologies, IBEC, Motorola, DS2 and Mitsubishi. That dialogue has been productive, for the most part, with one of the vendors -- Motorola -- installing one of their BPL systems at ARRL HQ in Newington, CT for testing.
o Others, such as Amperion, Main.net and Ambient have not maintained any substantive cooperative dialogue in at least a year now.
Those systems that are able to address interference are more than willing to work with radiocommunications users to do so. Those that are not work through their organizations to claim that groups like ARRL are not playing fair.
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Minas Tirith | I'm disappointed in the ARRL They should know better than this, that Hams are not the only ones that are affected by BPL. And besides, it probably will kill the 6 meter Ham band [50-54 Mhz] | |
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Morgan Hill, CA | Re: I'm disappointed in the ARRL All the other "BPL victims" could have filed comments on the BPL rules - why didn't they?
Could it be that they trusted the judgment of the FCC? | |
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| Don't shot the messenger It is the FCC who is responsible to keep the spectrum clean of pollution; not the job of the ARRL.
During the BPL comment phase the FCC had thousands of comments from the amateur community explaining the problems. The FCC has decided to ignore the problems of BPL and the subsequent interference.
BPL is a gross polluter of the worst possible kind. The FCC is responsible and FCC failure to take action is totally irresponsible. | |
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| Where? Where are all the ham bashers now? they were in the other forum bashing pretty hard about hams wanting to kill it. where are they now? hrmmm seems they have nothing to bash?
As far as BPL goes it don't matter what freq they infringe on, it will hurt someone. they just need to clean it up.
As far as the post about the million dollar Motorola systems that will be junk when they partition the 700mhz band to public safety? well seeing how we are going through the re-banding issue right now, that is not a problem because Nextel has to buy up all of our million dollar crap as you so call it and replace it with new stuff for the re-banded freqs. The radios that they are being replaced with are all APCO25 ready and with a minor mod will work in the 700 bandand yes some stuff will not have to be replaced that can be tuned, so no, hams will not be chomping at the bit for this old stuff.
Not to mention that the FCC has changed the band plan and all radios will have to go to a 12.5khz bandwidth by 2016 if i remember right so at that point most of your "low band" radios will have to be replaced with newer equipment, and by that time, who knows, BPL might not even be a factor at that point.
I work in public safety comms and i don't see any agency that will be affected by this, they are either on the 150mhz range or trunked. i see lots of posts in here about people talking about their area and they are not even in Texas. this is about Texas, it is not to say when they get to your area they will be using the same version or type of equipment. | |
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| said by ctceo :I'd like to know who authorized the ARRL to become the new BPL approval authority. The last I checked FCC had that authority and already had given the green light some time ago. Sorry I missed this thread. The cats authorized them. They control everything. Somehow they get millions of people up in the middle of the night to feed them and let them out. It's amazing the control they have. | |
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| 6-Meter ham bands? What about the 6-meter ham band?
And I agree with the remainder of the posts here. You wouldn't hear a teacher's union complaining about truck driver's wages, you won't hear the ARRL complaining about somebody else's spectrum. Though, if a number of police and public safety organizations got together and petitioned the FCC to shut down the BPL in TX, I'd support them. Show the BPL people that, no matter where you stick it, you're stepping on somebody's airwaves. | |
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| Re: 6-Meter ham bands? 30-50mhz eh? That's right below the ham 6 meter band--an interesting spot to put a service like BPL.
Since that's in the VHF spectrum most communications stuff would be designed to operate within a line of sight, probably with about a watt of power if we're talking about 20 year old cordless phones and toys. And it's not as if people are using such equipment to listen for audible speech (or code) within background noise. Possibly you'd need to be in the same room or very close to have noticeable interference very much like when someone walks into a room with a 2.4ghz router talking on a 2.4ghz cordless phone. (Or maybe you'd hear modemish noises forever more. Maybe.)
30-50mhz might not be a problem. It might even be able to coexist with the VHF stuff that works down there. Certainly it's worth checking into.
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| is it really that hard? Is it really that hard to deploy BPL without causing interference?
Up on the pole you have power, pots, cabletv - do they not cause interference?
My fault at not looking at the technology, but I just dont see how putting another signal on a power line has to cause all this interference.
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| Re: is it really that hard? said by mikef1 :Is it really that hard to deploy BPL without causing interference? Up on the pole you have power, pots, cabletv - do they not cause interference? My fault at not looking at the technology, but I just dont see how putting another signal on a power line has to cause all this interference. The key difference is copper twisted pair and coaxial cable is self-shielding, power lines are not. Any high frequencies you place on them will naturally radiate off. This is why antennas work; any unshielded wire at least a quarter wavelength long radiates into the atmosphere. | |
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| Re: is it really that hard? The FCC band plan can be viewed here:
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It looks like there's some "fixed Mobile" and private Mobile services in 30-50mhz. I'm thinking cab companies, security and the like. Fixed Mobile isn't the most specific description in the world. Also there's some radio astronomy down there.
Radio astronomy? Could that be down there because it's not transmitting anything and typically very far away from the RF noise of the city? It might not be affected by BPL. Regardless, I want NO ONE to mess with radio astronomy! No sarcasm here. I think radio astronomy is cool and potentially important.
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| Re: Instead of... said by Dan :Because the signal radiates off the line, why not run it like a WAP? Stay in a wireless range and offer wireless anywhere in the world near a power line. A company called Corridor Systems is developing a microwave based BPL that does just what you are talking about. They use 802.11 frequencies and thus can run much more power than HF based BPL. Plus, the equipment to receive such signals is readily available and cheap. HF BPL can't run enough power to make this feasible, plus the nature of power lines at the frequencies HF BPL uses makes it problematic.
Last I heard Corridor was moving away from the last mile Internet access market and developing mobile solutions. The technology has a lot of potential. At microwave frequencies using surface propagation like they do, you could easily run hundreds of megbits.
Amperion's BPL uses 802.11, but they hang wireless access points on the poles and use BPL on the wire as a backbone. | |
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| Google, TXU invested $100`s of Millions in BPL this is the envy of ARRL... looking for donations to fight Broadband over Power Lines !!!
If you can`t beat them, join them for the progress of the nation !!!
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| Venezuela power company to offer broadband Venezuela power company to offer broadband
CARACAS, Venezuela, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- Venezuela's state-run power company Cadafe will soon offer broadband service over its transmission lines.
China's Zhongxing Telecom Equipment will provide the Internet service to rival the planned powerline-broadband project announced two months ago by Venezuela's largest private power company, EDC.
Cadafe operates Venezuela's backbone power transmission network with an estimated 2.5 million customers. The broadband project involves an investment of $132 million and installation of about 5,600 miles of fiber optics.
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The businesses, federal, state, and local governments, law enforcement agencies, and various industrial radio services can take on the BPL Fan Boys now.