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join:2004-06-10 North York, ON | Isnt that dangerous? Should law enforcement and other city officials really use this service? Sounds like a nice target for exploitation. | |
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| Re: Isnt that dangerous? said by bmn :Solution is five letters... IPSEC. (or three if you prefer VPN) What about reliability? I would figure in an emergency having connectivity at all takes precedence above security. It would be entirely unacceptable if an ambulance or fire truck turns a corner around a building and loses signal.
Then again, how do emergency services deal with the issue of being connected to "the main office" currently? Is that solution currently acceptable and if it is, why reinvent the wheel? -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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| Re: Isnt that dangerous? said by pnh102 :What about reliability? I would figure in an emergency having connectivity at all takes precedence above security. It would be entirely unacceptable if an ambulance or fire truck turns a corner around a building and loses signal. I don't have all the details about how they are planning on maintaining reliability... Its possible that they can sacrifice speed for range since they aren't using OTS components, but systems designed for this type of situation.
Then again, how do emergency services deal with the issue of being connected to "the main office" currently? Is that solution currently acceptable and if it is, why reinvent the wheel? They are connected the same way that other cities are connected, via some sort of packet radio or cellular network. The problem with those older systems is that they are very slow and scale very poorly. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Re: Isnt that dangerous? said by bmn :Its possible that they can sacrifice speed for range since they aren't using OTS components, but systems designed for this type of situation. If its for emergency services they I sincerely hope they aren't using OTS equipment... the last thing someone wants to think about when they are being hauled off in an ambulance is whether or not the city's Linksys wireless routers are working correctly. We all know wifi in general is not the most reliable thing in the world, and using it in this situations kinda freaks me out.
said by bmn :They are connected the same way that other cities are connected, via some sort of packet radio or cellular network. The problem with those older systems is that they are very slow and scale very poorly. Philadelphia recently (about 10 years ago) put laptops connected via cell phone in police cars so that when an officer made a routine traffic stop (this was a result of the Eddie Pollock tragedy), he/she could pull up all the information on a vehicle and driver without having to use the police radio. The police radio was then able to be reserved for the highest priority problems.
Do they not have such a system in New Orleans? -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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| Re: Isnt that dangerous? said by pnh102 :Philadelphia recently (about 10 years ago) put laptops connected via cell phone in police cars so that when an officer made a routine traffic stop (this was a result of the Eddie Pollock tragedy), he/she could pull up all the information on a vehicle and driver without having to use the police radio. The police radio was then able to be reserved for the highest priority problems. Do they not have such a system in New Orleans? I'd have to ask around next time I run into one of the cops I know downtown... However, the police will also be able to make use of the network for other things... For example, I've already mentioned that the city, with the cooperation of some property and business owners, has put up cameras in selected locations around town. If the need arises, police may be able to access the images from that system.
I seriously doubt, however, this new system will lack a back up. In the event of a WIFI failure or an area with no coverage, officers would probably just switch back to the older system. Deatils on how the police might use it have been pretty scant. Currently, the biggest city users are building inspectors checking all of the city's buildings. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Re: Mayor N.O. trying to recover politically said by OverModded :All this is is the mayor of New Orleans pulling another stunt to try and get the voters minds off the fact that he screwed up big time before and after the hurricane. So much needs to be done to put N.O. back on its feet and he spends his time on this relatively minor effort. I live in the Katrina area and have seen and experienced all this first hand. Blame certainly goes to Nagin, but let's also include governor Blanco, Mike "Brownie" Brown, Chertoff, President Bush, and of course all the other inept/corrupt politicians in Louisiana. God, this country needs some leaders. Where are they?  -- Please help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Thanks, Mark | |
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| Re: Mayor N.O. trying to recover politically The majority of the blame lays on the shoulders of Nagin & the governor. There should have been a mandatory evac & they should have carted the so called "poor" people out. There is no excuse for leaving the old and infirmed people behind.
definition of "Poor": can afford the newest Nikes, hippest clothing, all the good drugs and all new cds released by rap artists but yet cannot buy food for the 7 children they produce, pay rent or get a job | |
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| Re: Mayor N.O. trying to recover politically said by BVT :The majority of the blame lays on the shoulders of Nagin & the governor. There should have been a mandatory evac & they should have carted the so called "poor" people out. There is no excuse for leaving the old and infirmed people behind. definition of "Poor": can afford the newest Nikes, hippest clothing, all the good drugs and all new cds released by rap artists but yet cannot buy food for the 7 children they produce, pay rent or get a job Definition of "sweeping generalization": your post above -- Please help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Thanks, Mark | |
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| Your post is one of the most racist things I have ever read. Yes, these people are "poor" -- many are very poor. It is preposterous to assume, though, that they are out buying "new cd's released by rap artists" or the "newest nike's". Many are taking care of children, working multiple jobs and trying desperately to make ends meet earning minimum wage. Your stereotypes are grossly unjustified and reflect a profound lack of understanding of what poverty is.
I do not believe that our leadership's poor response had racist roots (as has been purported), but I do think it brought a lot of latent racism out of the closet. I would hope that this disaster would provide us with an opportunity for compassion and examination of our society rather than for the judgement of the "wastefulness" of the poorest. | |
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| said by BVT :definition of "Poor": can afford the newest Nikes, hippest clothing, all the good drugs and all new cds released by rap artists but yet cannot buy food for the 7 children they produce, pay rent or get a job Thats what the welfare checks are for -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| said by OverModded :All this is is the mayor of New Orleans pulling another stunt to try and get the voters minds off the fact that he screwed up big time before and after the hurricane. So much needs to be done to put N.O. back on its feet and he spends his time on this relatively minor effort. Incorrect... The project for a city wide wireless network was started before the storm. There were grumblings about this before Katrina, but Katrina facilitated the building of the network cause aid agencies and FEMA were in need of connectivity. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| You would think That New Orleans would have bigger fish to fry than worrying about such a scheme at a time like this, wouldn't you? Of course, mayor Nagin allways did strike me as a nitwit. Perhaps this is why a certain federal official said to congress after Katrina: "My biggest mistake was in not realizing that the Louisiana government was essentially disfunctional sooner" | |
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| Re: You would think said by Fatal Vector :That New Orleans would have bigger fish to fry than worrying about such a scheme at a time like this, wouldn't you? Not really his scheme though...
said by »bizneworleans.com/109+M5679f8e1803.html : City to set up Wi-Fi network NEW ORLEANS City officials are planning to set up a wireless Internet, or Wi-Fi, network throughout New Orleans. The plan is set to be unveiled at a Tuesday morning press conference next week. Days after Hurricane Katrina struck, chipmaker Intel donated more than $150,000 in equipment to set up wireless nodes downtown and at Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport. Intel worked with Tropos Networks, MCI and SkyTel to establish a network so that relief workers could communicate with each other to coordinate releief efforts. Intel donated 50 Tropos 802.11 Wi-Fi mesh transmitters, and Tropos donated another 25, said a source close to the deal. The access points have been used to offer free Wi-Fi service to Federal Emergency Management Agency workers and local government workers. The network has been up and running for more than three weeks, and plans call for the network to be available for residents, said Mayor's Office spokeswoman Tami Frazier. She did not know whether officials plan to charge for wireless access once the network is expanded. By Keith Brannon The Biz Network Plans for a city-wide predate the storm, but the city didn't build this... Industry donated the network to the city. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| I guess this makes sense, since people have no homes or businesses. Since there is no place to "hard wire" an internet connection, why not broadcast it? Besides, the next time there is a hurricane or the levies break, it will give people something to do while stuck in an endless traffic jam, as everyone is trying to flee. -- Common sense doesn't seem to be so common any more. | |
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What's next? A monorail? -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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1 edit | Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by pnh102 :Am I missing something... or do you need to actually have a municipality first before you can have municipally-provided nanny-welfare-state Internet access? What's next? A monorail? Oh perfect, and do you think then monorail he builds will be like the one Robert Crumb drew in his comics. I would get you this illustration but It is not something I would want to access from work.:D
The Great Mayor of NO is trying to get his departed voting base back in town. I am sure in future years the name Nagin is going to be used whenever there is a city mayor that is as incompedent; well our mayor has sure Nagined us.  -- Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you.
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! Ray Nagin's Monorail |
said by Transmaster :Oh perfect, and do you think then monorail he builds will be like the one Robert Crumb drew in his comics. I would get you this illustration but It is not something I would want to access from work.:D I googled for him and got a general idea... LOL... but in my above post I was thinking something more along the lines of this attachment. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! You know something, at least Blanco,Nagin,Landrieu et all are at least trying to rebuild and do something.I have YET to see any of the Bushco promises come to fruition.I am so tired of hearing people bash them when all they are trying to do is rebuild their great city.I don't see anyone in MS getting all bothered about it but oh wait the governor of MS is a close personal friend of GWB and their ain't much to rebuild in MS.If you have nothing positive to say, why not try saying nothing.Before you start the flaming do any of you actually have family in the area?Have you even ever been there?Did you grow up there?I thought not. | |
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join:2004-10-25 Mount Juliet, TN | Re: Stuck On Stupid! New Orleans is not a great city. It is a cesspool of human filth and corruption.
Leave it to the Frech to start a city/outpost below sea level. Once again, we Americans need to clean their mess up. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by BVT :New Orleans is not a great city. It is a cesspool of human filth and corruption. This said by someone who doesn't live anywhere near the city. I'd recommend visiting cities like Philadelphia, Chicago or New York city if you want to see some serious corruption. Those cities are a lot big bigger and hence have WAY more corruption.
said by BVT :Leave it to the Frech to start a city/outpost below sea level. Once again, we Americans need to clean their mess up. Actually, the French didn't build it below sea level... The parts that were built long after the French had turned the city over to the US are the parts that are below sea level. The parts the French built are all above sea level (ie - the French Quarter, the Marigny, etc). -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by bmn :I'd recommend visiting cities like Philadelphia, Chicago or New York city if you want to see some serious corruption. Those cities are a lot big bigger and hence have WAY more corruption. You forgot to mention New Jersey 
Just for the record, even though Philadelphia is the 6th largest city in the USA, our corruption ranks at or above any other corruption you could get in this country. I guess being #1 at that sport kinda makes up for the decades-long drought of championships we experienced here. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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1 edit | said by Iceblink8 :I have YET to see any of the Bushco promises come to fruition. Yawn... what's that I hear? Is sure sounds like the Left cheering on the destruction of New Orleans because they could use it score political points against the President.
There are many other places in the USA which get hit by major natural disasters (e.g. earthquakes and wildfires in CA, major hurricanes in Florida, tornadoes in the Great Plains and Midwest) and those places didn't need massive Federal help to rebuild. Why should it fall upon the Federal government solely to rebuild the city? Sure it can provide tax breaks and ease up on regulation to make it easier to rebuild, but ultimately it is going to have to be the locals who pick up the shovels and rebuild the place.
And frankly, I hope they do rebuild it. New Orleans has contributed more than its fair share of culture to this country and it would be awful if it was not rebuilt. If the state and local government waste time and resources on useless minutia like free Internet access, they won't be able to focus on things that really matter like stronger levees, canals, and a better disaster response preparation for the next time this happens. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by pnh102 :There are many other places in the USA which get hit by major natural disasters (e.g. earthquakes and wildfires in CA, major hurricane s in Florida, tornadoes in the Great Plains and Midwest) and those places didn't need massive Federal help to rebuild. The difference is the scope of what happened with Katrina. At the risk of using an overused phrase, this was the largest natural disaster in U.S. history. 80,000 homes along the Mississippi Gulf Coast alone. Several hundred thousand homes in Louisiana. Sit with those figures for a moment.
You're right, the locals are going to have to do it themselves. That's what we are doing in Mississippi. But until you've been here on the ground, you cannot imagine the scope of the devastation. The Mississippi Gulf Coast looks like Hiroshima for 60 miles. -- Please help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Thanks, Mark | |
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1 edit | said by Iceblink8 :I don't see anyone in MS getting all bothered about it but oh wait the governor of MS is a close personal friend of GWB and their ain't much to rebuild in MS. Ain't much to rebuild in Mississippi? Well, only 80,000 homes, not to mention thousands of businesses; oh, and roads, highways, bridges, schools, hospitals, ports, piers, beaches, airports, sewage treatment plants ......
Nah, not much ....  -- Please help the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Thanks, Mark | |
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| "I don't see anyone in MS getting all bothered about it but oh wait the governor of MS is a close personal friend of GWB and their ain't much to rebuild in MS."
i happen to live on the mississippi gulf coast and you are so wrong it's not even funny. two entire towns were basically wiped off the map. nearly everything on the beach from biloxi to waveland was completely destroyed. i live on a little inland bayou and my house and all of my neighbors houses were flooded (7 feet in my house) and have severe wind damage. there is plenty to rebuild here. if the levies hadn't broken in new orleans, the media would be reporting on how much destruction there is on the mississippi gulf coast. | |
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1 edit | Re: Stuck On Stupid! Forgive me for asking a pointed question, but, what the hell were they all doing living on the beach in an area prone to Hurricanes to begin with? And, as far as New Orleans goes, if the "Big Easy" was so great, why was it that a local police commander commented on national news that they had the largest and most LETHAL criminal underclass that he was aware of in the entire country?
A criminal underclass that got evacuated to other cities in the country where they found a new welfare tit and started their criminal operations anew. No wonder they dont want to go back. There's nothing left to rob or steal and no one to sell drugs to.
Face it. Louisiana was, and likely still is, one big crap hole of corruption. Where "Parrish" (county) officials were arrested for piling up reliref supplies in their own garages, right after the storm. Where the weakest and poorest were thrown into the sports dome for days without supplies or protection and at the mercy of the criminal element, while hundreds of municipal and school busses went unused, then had to be rescued,finally, By the military and only after word got out to the media who somehow, strangely, managed to get in there while the police and authorities said they couldn't
Fact is, it was the biggest fiasco in our history and it falls squarely on the shoulders of Nagin and the Parrish presidents and, most of all, Louisianas governor. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! "Forgive me for asking a pointed question, but, what the hell were they all doing living on the beach in an area prone to Hurricanes to begin with?"
why do people live in california where there are earthquakes? why do people live in the plains states where there are tornadoes? why do people live along the mississippi river that floods every so often? why do people live in the north where there are blizzards? why do people live in southeast asia where there are tsuamis?
you gotta live somewhere. there's probably very few places on earth that are not susceptible to some kind of natural disaster.
"And, as far as New Orleans goes, if the "Big Easy" was so great, why was it that a local police commander commented on national news that they had the largest and most LETHAL criminal underclass that he was aware of in the entire country? "
i live an hour away from new orleans and don't care for it too much. i work with many people though that live in new orleans and they love the city. however, these are well educated people that live in nice areas and not crackheads living in the projects.
"Fact is, it was the biggest fiasco in our history and it falls squarely on the shoulders of Nagin and the Parrish presidents and, most of all, Louisianas governor."
i agree that it was a huge fiasco in new orleans. government incompetence at its finest. | |
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1 edit | said by Iceblink8 :...and their ain't much to rebuild in MS. Next time I make a trip to MS, I'll have to take more pictures to show how there "ain't much to rebuild."
That's the problem with the media and television... Unless you see it first hand, it doesn't really have the same affect because all kinds of things are missing...
And then you have the Democratic and Repulican political machines of this country pointing fingers at each other when they both need to take a look in the mirror...
Anyway, back to the topic at hand... A Municipal network that was started before the storm getting up and running after the storm. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| said by pnh102 :What's next? A monorail? I understand that Seattle has a couple of cars they would be willing to part with for cheap... -- A is A | |
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| said by pnh102 :Am I missing something... or do you need to actually have a municipality first before you can have municipally-provided nanny-welfare-state Internet access? Well, the plans for this were being worked on before Katrina came through here... The only reason it was built so soon after the storm was, as I've told others, is because relief agencies and FEMA were in need of connectivity, so the network was pushed out for them. Since the equipment and funds were donated, the city is allowed to keep the equipment.
And this certainly isn't "nanny-welfare-state"...
What's next? A monorail? Actually, there were plans for high speed rail between NOLA, Baton Rouge and the Louis Armstrong airport, but that supposedly died a long time ago. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by bmn :And this certainly isn't "nanny-welfare-state"... I know we'll probably never agree on whether municipal broadband for city residents is acceptable or not. I'm against it just because I feel its not a necessity and its something that private citizens could provide for themselves if they chose to do it (e.g., pool their money and share the cost of a T1, etc.). I also believe that most local governments have much more important things they should be worrying about instead of providing broadband to residents. You've already seen the problems I mentioned when Philadelphia implemented this so I won't rehash those... but I think in the case of New Orleans, with the amount of sheer devastation that occurred there, I just think that municipal broadband for residents as a "general service" (e.g., like garbage collection, water, sewer, etc.) shouldn't be that high on the priority list of fixing things.
Of course, if FEMA and other relief services need it, that is a different matter altogether. -- Rove / Rumsfeld 2008! | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by pnh102 :said by bmn :And this certainly isn't "nanny-welfare-state"... I know we'll probably never agree on whether municipal broadband for city residents is acceptable or not. I'm against it just because I feel its not a necessity and its something that private citizens could provide for themselves if they chose to do it (e.g., pool their money and share the cost of a T1, etc.). Well, that's the thing... The muni-network in New Orleans was not created with the intent of it being a freebie for the citizens. What New Orleans had been doing over the last few years is putting up cameras in high traffic and high crime areas for evidence gathering. These locations used a combo of WiFi and wired networks to transmit the images to a central location. They then opened that network up to police and public works on a limited basis to use for things like getting information on suspects or getting work orders.
What the city has done is just offered the surplus network capacity to the people who live there. The network speeds they are offering really don't even compete with the broadband offerings out there. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! And, after they spent all this money, all of it failed, including the municipal communication syatems for the police and fire, which didn't even have backup generators to keep the repeaters and other equipment on the air, which hampered rescue operations because all they had was short range simplex communications. And, even if it HAD stayed operational, it could not communicate with police, etc in the other neighboring Parrishes, nor with the state system.
You can be very sure that many people died, trapped like rats because of this and it just is a prime example of the pathetic lack of foresight displayed by Nagin and the city. Bottom line is they new that sooner or later they were going to get hit bad and seemingly did absolutely nothing about it. | |
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| Re: Stuck On Stupid! said by Fatal Vector :And, after they spent all this money, all of it failed, including the municipal communication syatems for the police and fire, which didn't even have backup generators to keep the repeaters and other equipment on the air, which hampered rescue operations because all they had was short range simplex communications. And, even if it HAD stayed operational, it could not communicate with police, etc in the other neighboring Parrishes, nor with the state system. Well, this was a level of destruction never seen before... And the problems of interoperability are a widespread problem. Other cities and states have the same problems of different communications systems and standards.
You can be very sure that many people died, trapped like rats because of this and it just is a prime example of the pathetic lack of foresight displayed by Nagin and the city. Bottom line is they new that sooner or later they were going to get hit bad and seemingly did absolutely nothing about it. This is just an example of a lack of foresight on every level of government... The state, federal and city governments all new we were going to get hit and all of them kept singing along to little orphan Annie's classic "Tomorrow"... -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
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| Legitimate Questions I am wondering who is paying for this whole thing? Are we the tax payers all paying for them to have wireless internet? If that is the case then I can honestly say that they have to be the most ignorant group of people I have ever seen. Well, on second thought, even if we are not paying for it and they are using their own money for WiFi instead of necessities like housing and whatnot, then I would again have to say that they have to be the most ignorant group of people I have ever seen.
I have friends around that area and some of my family has actually gone down to help people rebuild and I can say that the last thing a lot of those people want is a free internet connection. For crying out loud. I just can't get over how stupid the whole thing is.
the ones I feel sorry for are the ones that are trying to rebuild their lives with little or no assistance. I have no sympathy for the ones that expect everything to be handed to them without them having to actually do anything. Those are what I would call lazy bastards and they deserve nothing. | |
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| Re: Legitimate Questions some of you are just stuck on negativity and stupidity.flat out.if your not from the area you have no place debating how and when it should be rebuilt.plain and simple.we all pay taxes and frankly a lot of your attitudes suck.if you have nothing positive to say don't say anything.by the way if any of you took the time to look around on the internet you would know that there has already been a wireless network set up since after Katrina, set up by Direct INC for the City and rescue workers.Also the equipment was donated.It is not going to cost the city that much money.As far as NOLA being a human cesspool and oh so corrupt city,You have obviously been watching the 700 Club,only fundie dominionists buy that crap.NOLA is as "unclean" as ANY city your going to find here in the USA.I thought being a Christian was loving one another and not wishing disasters such as a hurricane on your fellow man. | |
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| Re: Legitimate Questions I am going to assume your a kid since you resort to calling people stupid. I'll explain what I said. Not once did I say that I wished a disaster upon anyone. My reference was to the WiFi and I would think that since it is such a disaster down there that they would have a few better things to worry about than WiFi. Since all these people are homeless and are living in shelters, who in the hell is going to use it??? I am just amazed at the waste of resources. | |
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| said by CJ :I am wondering who is paying for this whole thing? We're ALL being Nagined  -- "You can only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough." | |
|  |  bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus
| said by CJ :I am wondering who is paying for this whole thing? Are we the tax payers all paying for them to have wireless internet? Your federal dollars are not paying for this, so no, you and people from other states aren't paying for this... This network was donated to the city.
»bizneworleans.com/109+M5679f8e1803.html -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
|  bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus
| 'Ang on a minute... Before everyone goes jumping on the mayor and such for working on this instead of the recovery effort here, this project was started BEFORE the storm came rolling through... This project got a kickstart after the storm since FEMA and other relief workers needed connectivity. -- Support "W" The one thing worse than idle hands is an idle mind. | |
|  bogey780
join:2004-03-19 Here | Why bother? Cox, BellSouth, and all the other companies in the area are having to install all new backbones and almost everything including the last mile. Making a competing muni will hurt the corporate rebuild if anything. | |
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  Wills
join:2001-01-03 Port Charlotte, FL | Perfect! Now all the people that looted computers can use them!
I love it when a plan comes together. -- I have a shaved head, a goatee, and tatoos. Don't you realize the rules don't apply to me. | |
|  |  |   Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
1 edit | Re: Amazing how At least they dont have to worry about all the dope and gang punks...at least, not yet. But, they'll be baaack.
Hmmmm...I see WWL and entercom have dissolved their "United Radio Broadcasters of New Orleans" partnership with clear channel. I find it interesting how they kept WWL's 50,000 Watt transmitter on the air at full power for all that time after the storm, as well as the 2 other AM and 2 or 3 FM stations as well. I guess SOMEONE was prepared. Which just goes to show you that if you depend on the Government, you are a fool. | |
|   ag1010
join:2001-06-11 Kenosha, WI | Shouldn't they be spending their money on repair? They should be spending their money repairing the leeves and other reconstruction projects then deploying muni-broadband. | |
|  |  jmuskratt
join:2000-11-21 New Orleans, LA | Re: Shouldn't they be spending their money on repa I betcha if Intel donated sheet pilings, we'd take 'em. | |
|  |  bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus | The stuff was donated... And this project predates Katrina. | |
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