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Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Heh Here's the obligatory:
You'd better live in the CO to get those speeds! | |
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23 | Re: Heh Nah, Business class will get you those speeds already. Had it when I was 11K feet from the CO earlier this year.
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sharkpedal
join:2005-05-04
PA
| This sounds good and tempting, but why not push the u/l to 1 mbps? Wonder how much the monthly will increase. Cant be $50.00 because arent they charging 44.95 for FIOS? Make it 34.95 and you got a deal. Luckily for me I am about 2900 ft from the CO. | |
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Nymostwanted
Who Cares?
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join:2004-06-25
New York, NY | Re: Heh Go to the topic, there are some pretty good price estimate that sound just about right.  | |
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| said by sharkpedal  :This sounds good and tempting, but why not push the u/l to 1 mbps? Wonder how much the monthly will increase. Cant be $50.00 because arent they charging 44.95 for FIOS? Make it 34.95 and you got a deal. Luckily for me I am about 2900 ft from the CO. ADSL can't handle a 1mbps upload, they'd need to use something like ADSL2+. The speed Verizon is testing now is pretty much the limit of current ADSL. | |
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Vamp
5c077
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join:2003-01-28
MD
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| Re: Heh said by vpoko :said by sharkpedal :This sounds good and tempting, but why not push the u/l to 1 mbps? Wonder how much the monthly will increase. Cant be $50.00 because arent they charging 44.95 for FIOS? Make it 34.95 and you got a deal. Luckily for me I am about 2900 ft from the CO. ADSL can't handle a 1mbps upload, they'd need to use something like ADSL2+. The speed Verizon is testing now is pretty much the limit of current ADSL. Yup sometime next year ADSL2+ will be the next step to help compete, and to hold people off until verizon FIOS becomes available.
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join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| said by vpoko :said by sharkpedal :This sounds good and tempting, but why not push the u/l to 1 mbps? Wonder how much the monthly will increase. Cant be $50.00 because arent they charging 44.95 for FIOS? Make it 34.95 and you got a deal. Luckily for me I am about 2900 ft from the CO. ADSL can't handle a 1mbps upload, they'd need to use something like ADSL2+. The speed Verizon is testing now is pretty much the limit of current ADSL. ADSL can't? starting about 3 years ago, TELUS ADSL in VANCOUVER BC offered 95KB per second upstream on their enhanced package for about $50 to $60 a month. 95KB per second is pretty close to 1mbps | |
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
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join:2000-11-09
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clubs: | Re: Heh The point was, with their currently deployed CPE and the standards they're built on, G.lite (or is it G.DMT?), the max upstream speed is 800 some Kbps. Considering ATM overhead and such, it works out to about 768 Kbps when you get down to payload. | |
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join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA
| Re: Heh said by rchandra :The point was, with their currently deployed CPE and the standards they're built on, G.lite (or is it G.DMT?), the max upstream speed is 800 some Kbps. Considering ATM overhead and such, it works out to about 768 Kbps when you get down to payload. I know glite and gdmt are not the same but I dont know which they use.. But as a hint, telus does use various versions of the classic dlink dsl300I's and G's(the brown ones and the silver ones)And I know about overhead but the 95KB i quoted was from FTP tests. generally, there are two levels.
and as another tidbit, i used the dlink config tool(it talkes to the dsl300i's to get raw info) on some of my lines, one of them uses a funny protocol called T413.fast or something like that. that line goes at 105KB/sec up, and the normal ones go at 90KB.
$39CAD/mo for basic 150KB per second down and 70KB per second up
$50CAD/mo for enhanced 250KB per second down and 90KB(up to 100KB if close to the CO) .the KB ratings were obtained through FTP tests, not any silly java stuff.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by sharkpedal :This sounds good and tempting, but why not push the u/l to 1 mbps? Wonder how much the monthly will increase. Cant be $50.00 because arent they charging 44.95 for FIOS? Make it 34.95 and you got a deal. Luckily for me I am about 2900 ft from the CO. Because the ADSL technology limits it to 896kbps up and that is BEFORE PPPoE/A overhead.
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | trial for what? they already have had a 7.1/768 package for years now, its like $200/mo. thats why when they said their commercials "up to 128x faster then a 56k modem" they were referring to their 7.1mbps package | |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
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join:1999-10-16
Beverly Hills, CA | useless information to most of us | |
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vpoko
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join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
| Re: Heh said by rtcy :useless information to most of us Yes, why would a broadband site report on broadband issues? Useless! | |
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rtcy
FACTS only please
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join:1999-10-16
Beverly Hills, CA
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Heh said by vpoko :said by rtcy :useless information to most of us Yes, why would a broadband site report on broadband issues? Useless! because most users can NOT get the 3mbps offer and many that qualify end up having lots of problems
so you can imagine just how many will be able to get 7mbps | |
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Nymostwanted
Who Cares?
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join:2004-06-25
New York, NY | Maybe...... Maybe someone can call and ask to be on the trial... Long shot, isnt? I cant wait until this package comes out. | |
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wcdove
join:2003-06-06
Richmond, VA | Meh... Pfft! I get this speed via Cavalier Telephone at no extra charge already. Cavalier is the competitor to Verizon in VA, MD, PA, and DE.
Also helps that I live close enough to throw a rock to the CO. | |
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AFK_BOT
join:2005-06-05
Gwynn Oak, MD
clubs: | Re: Meh... Cavalier is a what to verizon ... lol STOPIT thnx | |
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brawney
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join:2002-03-02
Frederick, MD | Verizon has been good to me so far I expect they'll offer this at a good price. I'm on their 3/768 service now. Its rock solid and only $29 a month. My neighbor on Adelphia says he has outages every week. If the 7/768 service is less than $40 a month I'll probably sign up. | |
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sbhusted
join:2000-05-14
Bethlehem, PA
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| Re: Verizon has been good to me so far LOL... I just signed up for 3.0/768 service from COVAD and I'm paying $89.99 for it. But then again, its worth double the price not to put up with the Verizon consumer service. 
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: Verizon has been good to me so far I deal with verizon reps daily and call their support maybe once a month to activate new accounts for people and never have a problem at all with them.
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itmakesmesick
@71.241.x.x
| To think that Verizon is wasting another penny on DSL trials?!?!? WTF!!!
You see, this is the kind of nonsense that will get them in trouble long-term.. the only thing copper is good for from the CO to the customer premise, is to send electricity to power a FIBER ONT!!! That's about it.. I just hope they don't go back to their old ways of redlining residential customers in favor of business customers again.. that old mentality.. it's easier to 'upsell' corporate America than deal with whiny old grandmothers who's phones don't work.
BTW 7.1 megabits is STILL VERY DISTANCE DEPENDANT no matter what light and majick show dslam you put in the central office. PERIOD! End of story (10 years ago it was the beginning of the end for DSL/dslams)
Going back to the old ways is a good M.O. for pumping up the stock price, so watch for it kiddies. | |
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Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| Still plenty of people without DSL Who cares... there are plenty of areas without DSL and I'm not talking rural areas either. With no further expansion of their DSL network and the chances of Verizon using remote DSLAMs being next to zero I don't think many people will give two bits for this news.
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I said *many* people. Yes I'm sure there are a few dozen who might be lucky enough to get this service in the future. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Nothing new... ...just expensive. I have 7Mb DSL via Verizon (sold by DSLx) and it works fine. Now if they get the price to more like $59.99 instead of $150-$200 that would be even better.
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There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA | Re: Nothing new... This is residential trials, not business, people. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: Nothing new... I'm residential. | |
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There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA | They're supposed to drop the price down to residential prices, that's what this article is getting at. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: Nothing new... There is no mention in the article as to any changes in pricing...although that would certainly be welcomed.
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dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA
| Verizon's wholesale circuit charge to DSLX and other companies is far higher - over triple what they charge for 3M/768, which everyone agrees makes no sense. However, for reasons unknown, Verizon has not sold this tier retail which is why the price is so high. It is usually only sold by independent ISPs as a high end business package. If VZ lowers their price because Verizon Online has decided to finally offer the 7M speed, you can bet DSLX (and other companies) will be competitive.
Be aware, however, that few qualify for the 7M speed in Verizon territory, compared to those in SBC. Verizon has few remote or "overlay" areas, meaning that you have to be within a mile of the old central office to qualify. We have found you rarely see the full 7 meg speed if you are more than a few blocks from the CO. That and Verizon's generally crappier cable plant (at least out here in the West) and GTE's penchant for using 26 gauge wire means few will qualify. I suspect that their move to add 7meg speed to their retail products is positioning to compete with cable speeds.
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AFK_BOT
join:2005-06-05
Gwynn Oak, MD
clubs: | Re: Nothing new... hmm the co is . 1.8 blocks from me,3.0 and i stll have screwed up connection @alot times..best of service suks...co0nsidering the short distance | |
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mack1951
Universal Soldier
join:2000-04-18
Bayonne, NJ | Can it be Naked? The key for me would be can you get it Naked, I want no Verizon phone service thank you.:)
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Alright! Great job VOL! Now just keep the same price of 29.95 and OOL won't be able to compete. | |
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pog
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join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI | Maybe it's just me... ...but I'm not that interested in jumping from 3mbps to 7. However, if it was possible, I wouldn't mind an upgrade that offers less than 20ms end-to-end latency and 7mbps upload. | |
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Gokou2k3
join:2003-08-05
Tehachapi, CA | And SBC just sits and waits..... I just have one question, SBC, where are you?! | |
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join:2004-02-10
Rosemead, CA | Re: And SBC just sits and waits..... they are hiding in the dark lol | |
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Exeter17
@itsqs.com | Re: And SBC just sits and waits..... Yeah, I called VZ about naked DLS and FIOS and they (I quote) asked "What's that, I've never heard of it?" | |
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UberGuber
join:2003-07-22
Tampa, FL | What is there to test? I'm happy to here this but what are they testing?
Results of test: yes it's faster downriver and many people will probably go for it, at a reasonable price. | |
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Nymostwanted
Who Cares?
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join:2004-06-25
New York, NY | Re: What is there to test? They are testing network capacity. If their network is not ready for 7.1/768, then people will experience serious slow downs. | |
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join:2003-02-13
Morton, IL
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| 7 Mbps? And what is the range on that? I am like 13 or 14 thousand feet away and I can only have 1.5/384. They keep uping speed but nothing for distance. The more speed the closer you have to be. Now if you ask me I bet it is possible to get the 3 Mbps package out to the 15 thousand feet and work just fine. When I first ordered the 1.5 package they said I qualified but when I got it I had the 768. When I called to find out why they said I didn't qualify and that I shouldn't have been told that. Another call I did qualify and I would have it. I went round and round with Verizon. Finally I was getting pissed off and was snapping. I got put on hold and transfered like 6 times. On the last one I started cussing up a storm in which case it was management personel. I ended up with the 1.5 package. Sorry a little of subject there. I think it will be useless to say something about the 7Mbps package when they don't know where the lower 1.5 Mbps package reaches to. | |
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@optonline.net | Current Communication`s BPL had fast upload fyi... the speed of uploading is 3Mbps AND THE SAME AS DOWNLOADING SPEED !!!
check their website if you like: »www.current.net/LearnMore/Benefits/ | |
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bhorow
join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| Intresting Problem Facing Verizon The reason for the 7meg is probably going to appear on the east coast.
In many memos i mentioned to people that the growth of FIOS will not surpass the decline in DSL if they have no additional speed beyond 3.0.
This is especially true in the North East. I have heard that cable is going to be ready soon particularly in the north east with speed increases.
Since FIOS won't be available to everyone, this is Verizon's way of calming people so they won't shed dsl customers.
If you noticed Verizon's strategy has been to go after the low end with 14.95 with speeds of 768k, but here is the problem. How much would you charge for the 7 meg service?
29.95?? 34.95. You can't bring it above FIOS Pricing.
It might try a 44.95 rout for it. It's really hard to say usually when employees try out something it won't be till 2006, that they do the intro out. However I know certain that they must go 7 and this is really good if they do, because it will bring the Cable companies to push for 7 or 8. | |
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join:2005-10-20
Bronx, NY
| Re: Intresting Problem Facing Verizon Well they better keep making it 3 time faster then DSL like they always say on the commercial  plus if the cable company upgrade it to 8mbps and dsl is 7mbps for 29.95 I will say good bye cable 1mbps doesn't make a diffrence to me:p | |
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Verizon 7Mbps DSL?
