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join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA
| Doesn't suprise me I'm actually suprised more ISPs haven't done this due to legal issues and low usage. Anyone who is not a major noob uses a pay news service that has better completion and retention than the ISP services. I bet more and more ISPs do away with usenet soon. Not that customers should be happy or anything it just doesn't shock me | |
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wjr110
join:2005-02-23
North Salem, NY | Re: Doesn't suprise me Perhaps some people don't feel the need to pay extra for usenet service because it isn't important to them to have better retention and speeds. Calling them 'noob's is very mature of you. | |
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join:2003-10-21
Edmonton, AB
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·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: Doesn't suprise me yah i'd be a little choked... i use my isp's server for posting messages and what not, i just use a premium server for binaries. So I guess i could get around it, but for those few people who only use it for posting and reading messages in text groups, that could suck.
you would think maybe isp's would just cut out the binaries, it costs too much for them to maintain binaries in a decent fashion anyways, should be rather inexpensive to keep the text groups. | |
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
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If you're using the old-fashioned text-based newsgroups (like me) there's no need for long retention and there are no issues with completion. I would be pissed off if I had to pay for access.
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inciter
Noobie
Premium
join:2000-08-30
Rohnert Park, CA | Re: Doesn't suprise me Have you tried out Google? they offer free access the newsgroups you are talking about. | |
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Sarah
Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | Re: Doesn't suprise me Yeah, they bought out dejanews a while back. It's OK, but the posts are not in real-time, they are greatly delayed. | |
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Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: Doesn't suprise me said by Sarah  :Yeah, they bought out dejanews a while back. It's OK, but the posts are not in real-time, they are greatly delayed. There are a boatload of free providers out there. Also no post in USENET is realtime unless you are on the same server:p.
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Premium,ExMod 2002-05
join:2001-01-09
Cambridge, MA
clubs:
| Re: Doesn't suprise me The groups I use on Comcast are as close to real time as my emails are. Good enough for me.
I like using my current newsreader and it would be a PITA to switch to some other service when I pay Comcast a ton of money every month.
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yes_you_r_a_noob
@128.238.x.x | deja vue all over again Google already has 'free' text newsgroup service, and its searchable too. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA | Re: deja vue all over again There are plenty of free services for pure text and many people use those groups, but lets not kid ourselves what most people use usenet for, and why Rogers probably pulled the plug. | |
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join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI | Re: deja vue all over again Bingo.
Everyone can stop pretending otherwise. | |
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printscreen
join:2003-11-01
Juana Diaz, PR
·Coqui/PRTC
| Interesting. I used to pay for Usenet access until I found by snooping around that the server I was paying for and the one used by my ISP were one and the same, or at least, belonged to the same company. That day I cancelled my subscription and continued using the server provided by my ISP which has excellent retention and completion. My ISP outsources its NNTP server and happened to be the same provider I was using.
Perhaps these people should outsource their NNTP server. | |
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Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: Doesn't suprise me said by printscreen :Perhaps these people should outsource their NNTP server. Comcast did the same (to giganews) and alot of comcast suscribers were not happy. 1 Gig per month, and downloading headers took away from that total. Anyone that could was dropping comcast and switching to verizon. Verizon has the best free servers around, and hopefully they wont drop it like Rogers did. But we all know what they are used for and IMO any provider is within their right to terminate that service.
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joetaxpayer
I'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Wayland, MA
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| said by joshpo :Anyone who is not a major noob uses a pay news service that has better completion and retention than the ISP services. I bet more and more ISPs do away with usenet soon. Not that customers should be happy or anything it just doesn't shock me Yea, I've used usenet since before the net went WWW, when my modem was still 300baud. Speed and retention mean little to me, I guess 20 years later, I'm a noob.....
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | No Discount? I am sure Rogers will discount the price of their service now since they don't need to provide Usenet anymore.
Oh wait a minute, now Rogers customers will be paying more for less!
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join:2003-12-06
Reynoldsburg, OH
| Re: No Discount? said by pnh102 :I am sure Rogers will discount the price of their service now since they don't need to provide Usenet anymore. Oh wait a minute, now Rogers customers will be paying more for less! I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Somebody care to call Rogers and ask them what their lowered bill will be now that they done away with Usenet? | |
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join:2003-08-24 | They'll probably say that Usenet was a service provided to their customers free of charge, so they won't have to offer a reduced fee. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: No Discount? said by sMh :They'll probably say that Usenet was a service provided to their customers free of charge, so they won't have to offer a reduced fee. It's always fun when companies try to pull that crap. Would their customers have had Usenet access (previously) through Rogers if they were not paying Rogers for it? Of course not. That alone proves that it was not a "free service."
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Usenet dying; few use it; who cares But like one post said, will this stop a rate increase or lower current rates? If only 3% use it and yet all customers are paying for it, then where's the return for the customer? | |
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CompuDoc
join:2004-09-07
Lake Worth, FL | Re: Usenet dying; few use it; who cares they dont make a move like this unless they are actively looking for places to make cuts, and when they cant make cuts, then the rates go up. | |
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@verizon.n | Now this is where microsoft will come in and offer some kind of news group software. | |
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Premium
join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Re: Usenet dying; few use it; who cares Microsoft already offers software that can be used to browse newsgroups: Outlook Express. It's not the software that's the issue, it's the connection to Usenet. The ISP is terminating their NNTP servers connections so the users will have to purchase a separate subscription (or use Google Groups).
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join:2001-02-20
NY
1 edit | Re: Usenet dying; few use it; who cares said by GOLFnSUN :
Usenet dying; few use it..
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
Premium
join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR | Not Dead Yet
Usenet may or may not be dying, but it's been around for quite a while.
I, for one, still use it and will until it either gets really boring, lacks the content I need, or disappears off the internet completely. | |
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no_usenet_no_service
@12.47.x.x
| Re: Not Dead Yet I would drop my ISP tommorow if they removed their usenet access. I don't care about long retention or amazing speeds but I do care to have it there when I need it.
Don't expect many ISP's to be doing the same thing, because once set up properly, usenet is relatively maintanance free. | |
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storm64007
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Freeport, NY | Re: Not Dead Yet Everyone i know that uses Verizon uses their great access to usenet for free.
Verizon has the best access of any ISP and why many have chosen Verizon as their ISP. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Not Dead Yet said by storm64007 :Everyone i know that uses Verizon uses their great access to usenet for free. Verizon has the best access of any ISP and why many have chosen Verizon as their ISP. Didn't verizon axe like the 10 best groups that people normally buy premium service to get?
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CableConvert
Premium
join:2003-12-05
Atlanta, GA | I think we should all actively insist that Usenet is dying...the less press it gets the better...dead...yeah, thats it...dead | |
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j_a_t_h
join:2002-04-29
canada
·TELUS
| Re: 3% of users ? How many did they have before they started to kill it 9 months ago. It was closer to 15%. If you make anything un-usable people will stop using it. I am leaving my ISP (Shaw) because they are making they usenet useless. All the rogers users who uses usenet (Rogers or Premium) should drop rogers. Since Shaws usenet become un-usable my P2P use has gone up so I am using more bandwidth to get the same thing. Maybe that is the plan, jack up the users bandwidth useage then jack up the prices. | |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Hollywood, FL
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| Re: 3% of users ? said by j_a_t_h :How many did they have before they started to kill it 9 months ago. It was closer to 15%. And you have documentation to prove this??
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: 3% of users ? Well 9 months ago or whatever, Rogers Usenet service went from unlimited (max your connection anyway) speeds with 2 day rentention to 60k/sec max 30 day retention.
Apparently thats an improvement in the service. So i gaurantee more ppl used it then, I'm one of them, but I havent touched it since. | |
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my2centsroger
| I'm not Roger, thank you Well, I'm not in Rogers' land, but for those of you KNOW this will save them untold thousands every year not to host the servers or however they were providing this service.
You should get some TANGIBLE benefit in return, like SPEED UPGRADES, more tiered packages, etc. Just saving the company money sucks, they should lower everyone's bill IMMEDIATELY by at least $5 a month! | |
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join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | Re: I'm not Roger, thank you www.deja.com has usenet without any fees | |
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MoeDumb
I already have a Messiah.
Premium
join:2002-09-23
| Usenet has been 'dying' almost as long as there has been a Usenet!
Meanwhile premium NSP's like Giganews and EasyNews have to keep expanding their server farms and increase retention because the customer base is shrinking and Usenet is 'dying.' LOL
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pog
Premium
join:2004-06-03
Kihei, HI
·Hawaiian Telcom
| RIP When the day comes that every ISPs either outsources Usenet or drops it altogether, Usenet will cease to be Usenet.
There will only be a handful of providers each peering with each other...
...this is bad:
•governments (and other interested parties) will have a much easier time controlling content, pursuing individual users, and so on.
•it will harder/impossible for the community to hold the remaining providers accountable (for following guidelines, rules, protocol, etc... eg ISC active lists, etc) which will lead to poor propagation...
The strengths of Usenet, free speech and worldwide distribution, will be eroded.
...this isn't Usenet:
•this would be very close to being the same thing as a forum maintained by a single entity... like DSLR/BBR  | |
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Free Usenet For those who only use text usenet, there are a plethora of options available. Most free usenet servers have a 50 Mb a dat limit, but if you only download text-only groups and post text-only, and even just a little few binaries every now and then those servers should serve you just fine.
Its true that most people have not even heard of Usenet. I don't know how many people use usenet to download stuff that could be considered illegal, but if they download more then 1 movie, game or program a month they already got their money's worth out of the $10 or so a premium service costs.
But again, I think most people will be happy enough with just text groups. I use RoadRunner's usenet, but I use text only groups and even those I check maybe once a week or so.
Also on ISPs: I don't think there is any law that says they have to offer anything more then a TCP/IP connection to the Internet. Sure, all of them offer at least 1 e-mailadress for communications, and most offer webspace and a number of other features, but I do not think they HAVE to offer usenet.
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@rr.com
| Re: Free Usenet There are many free newsservers out there; most are junk/spam-filled and don't receive any external feeds (they're just stand-alone servers). I use RR servers for basic text stuff; works fine and is very fast (should be for being on same network  . And use »www.newsgroups-download.com for the *binaries*. As someone else mentioned; all based on what you're looking for. And Usenet is not going away | |
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salan
join:2004-10-04
Canada
| GIGANEWS outsourced to ROGERS for those ranting about how isp usenet services suck, actually giganews was outsourcing its newsgroups to rogers. the only disadvantage is/was that the user was limited to 60kb/s total. but thats not too bad if u leave ur computer on all the time, and dont really need the stuff too bad. | |
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs:
| Re: GIGANEWS outsourced to ROGERS salan for reasons known only to him and Crown Royal posted
"for those ranting about how isp usenet services suck, actually giganews was outsourcing its newsgroups to rogers. "
Link please....
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hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
Premium
join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| Re: GIGANEWS outsourced to ROGERS "giganews was outsourcing its newsgroups to rogers."
"* Newsgroup services are provided by the Giganews Usenet Service, by Giganews, Inc."
Maybe you do things the other way in Canada. To me that means Rogers was outsourcing to Rogers.
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nubletdeluxe
@adelphia.net | haha Someone here has some mad Cannabis issues if they think Usenet is 'dying'. Just because everyone nub think's their mp3's at 128 off kazaa are great I'll be snatching a few FLAC album's on my dead newsgroups. | |
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Rogers Kills Usenet
Usenet dying; few use it; who cares
