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| Re: Ouch said by TK Junk Mail  :Even MS is going after SONY on this one. When other big business partners say you screwed up big time, you really screwed up. You have MS, the U.S. Government, privacy advocates, consumers, practically everyone going against Sony.
The only ones probably not going against Sony are the music pirates because Sony's DRM is only helping their cause.
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| Re: Ouch With any luck, this will set the MPAA and RIAA back years....Now I'm not a pirate, but I can recognize that any business that performs criminal activity in order to catch a theif is kind of freakin dumb. At least Sony will be employing plenty of lawyers for years to come. Way to go Sony! | |
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| Re: Ouch I "third" that.
And by the way, Blu-Ray is crap ridden with copy protection schemes, I am rooting for Toshiba's HD-DVD. I will not buy more Sony products as far as I can help it from now on. Very, very disappointed, considering almost everything at home is Sony. | |
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| Re: Ouch LOL
"The HD DVD camp plans to put an audio watermark in theatrical releases and circuits into your HD DVD player that will recognize such a watermark. Consequently, if you manage to tape a movie in the theater despite night vision goggles and stiff prison sentences, your player won't play the recording or any HD DVD you make from it. But the best part is just about to come: they plan to also watermark regular HD DVD releases. Now imagine your camera running while a HD DVD is playing. You don't even need to record the movie, but then once you make a HD DVD from your DV tape, your player won't play it. Now we just need the onscreen menu to send a couple of bucks to the MPAA to unlock your home movie" | |
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| Re: Ouch Most of the MPAA member studious are now supporting Blu-Ray because they believe it has a better copy protection scheme (BD+ - modifiable encryption).
It's ridiculous to have our lives made so dependent on these people. It is sad that it has come to this. Time to unplug and seek entertainment elsewhere. | |
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| said by fegul :This is what we refer to as "pwned" Sony: GG
Pirates: Cry more n00bz!
Legit Customers: WTF?!? | |
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Richmond, VA | good job! a lot of heads are gonna roll for this! | |
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| Re: good job! said by uncwjason :a lot of heads are gonna roll for this! This would probably only happen if the Free Software Foundation (or whoever owns the copyright on LAME) were to sue Sony for copyright infringement. I'd be glad to donate to a "legal offense fund" for such a purpose because they will definitely need it.
The only way heads would roll is if Sony were to lose BIG with such a case.
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| Re: good job! said by MxxCon :FSF does not own LAME's copyright. but i sure hope EFF will take this case on behalf of LAME developers. Ahhh ok... Usually the FSF requests that you transfer copyright of a GPL or LGPL'ed work to them if you would want them to handle the enforcement of that particular license.
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clubs: | Whats next for Sony? Hell if it keeps up Sony's PS3 will be so heavly locked down hat you can't evne play the games without giving up a pint o blood and your social security # everytime you want to play. | |
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Ogden, UT | Re: Whats next for Sony? Sony already has a patent for a disk that can be altered when put in a game console thereby locking it to that console
Once installed on one console it will be unplayable on any other. | |
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Mishawaka, IN | Re: Whats next for Sony? They wouldn't dare. If they muff the kick on the PS3 MS is going to destroy them with the X-Box 360. I'm all about the PS3, but if they do something like that I would have to change my mind. | |
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| Re: Whats next for Sony? said by gball :The day I can't bring my purchased game to my friends house to play is the day I stop buying anything Sony.. Wouldn't this also essentially, destroy places like Blockbuster & other video game rentals?
Maybe it's just me, but the ability to swap games with people is what pushed console ownership to begin with, no? If they start "tying" console games to console ownership...then why exactly are we paying for the console to begin with? | |
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| Re: Whats next for Sony? That makes me think...
What happens when my console goes bad; and has to be replaced? Let's say it's under warranty... should the manufacturer be responsible for buying me ALL new games so I can play them again? So, if I am an avid gamer... have 20 games @ $35 average per game a game... $750. Something tells me the manufacturer won't want to hand me a new/refurbished console AND $700 (nearly twice the retail price of the CONSOLE ALONE) because they just HAD to have some nifty copy copy protection.
Or... maybe they will have some way of re-writing the console identifier? Then of course... we all know someone, somehow, somewhere, at some time will figure out how to use it to their advantage. | |
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| Re: Whats next for Sony? said by phantom6294 :So, if I am an avid gamer... have 20 games @ $35 average per game a game... $750. Bump up your estimated costs there, as your newer console games in the next gen consoles will be costing $60+. I'd personally expect that price to go up as they note that customers will still be buying/playing games with that price hike. | |
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Abingdon, MD | Re: Whats next for Sony? Eh... I figured it best to underestimate so as not be accused of hyping my point. I was initially going to assume $50 per game (most popular new games start at $50). | |
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| said by gwaltrip :Sony already has a patent for a disk that can be altered when put in a game console thereby locking it to that console Once installed on one console it will be unplayable on any other. And I can't wait to hear how a $0.50 marker (or some other el-cheapo method) defeats it.... LOL.
I don't really see the point in such a technology. Rental stores would require an alternative disc that allowed it to be used in any console and inevitably, people would copy those discs; unless of course Sony intends for its games to no longer be rent-able.
Also, what really would be the point??? All this really does is prevent a user from copying a disc AFTER it's been used on a console. Somebody, somewhere, somehow, will provide a pre-used ISO/etc of a game that everyone could then use. Furthermore, it will stifle the... "I've got this cool new game... you should borrow it, and if you like it, buy it."
If Sony (or any other game maker) implemented this... they'd just be shooting themselves in the foot... ummm.... AGAIN. | |
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| Re: Just wondering... No. Power users do not have device drivers rights.
From: »www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte···8d5.mspx
Power Users can:
• Run legacy applications, in addition to applications for Windows 2000, Windows XP Professional, or the Windows Server 2003 family that belong to the Windows Logo program for Software.
• Install programs that do not modify operating system files or install system services.
• Customize systemwide resources including printers, date, time, power options, and other Control Panel resources.
• Create and manage local user accounts and groups.
• Stop and start system services which are not started by default.
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| said by loeakaodas :Thats the same thing. Incorrect. While power user comes with less restrictions than regular user, it doesn't have all the privileges that administrator has. From personal experience, I know that some of the older Windows programs will probably install under Power User, while newer ones (especially the ones based on Microsoft Installer and the latest versions of InstallShield) will not.
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Waterville, ME | Re: Just Remember... Yes perhaps we can coin a new word use, like instead of the flim-flam he pulled a sony,when some thing is fubr we can call it a sony .
I bet it will make sony(no)baloney a very nice slogan
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| Re: Just Remember... said by braynes :Yes perhaps we can coin a new word use, like instead of the flim-flam he pulled a sony,when some thing is fubr we can call it a sony . I bet it will make sony(no)baloney a very nice sloganBruce I like that slogan! | |
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| Re: Just Remember... said by braynes :yea i should have been better. Bruce I think they did have an ad gingle or similar to that yeaaars ago. sony no baloney.
I agree with you sony F'ed up and pulled a sony.Its a new catch phrase. 
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If so, then First 4 Internet would be the ones in trouble at the point for not complying with the LGPL. | |
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Sarasota, FL | Re: Sony/BMG That's what I thought when I first read this somewhere else. Sony only licenced to use the protection made by that company so how can they be liable in this case. I'm playing devils advocate here, but isn't this right. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Sony/BMG said by loeakaodas :That's what I thought when I first read this somewhere else. Sony only licenced to use the protection made by that company so how can they be liable in this case. I'm playing devils advocate here, but isn't this right. Depends: if Sony/BMG merely licensed an off-the shelf product, then they have some measure of protection. However, if they contracted to have the software written for them, and/or assumed ownership rights to the software, then they also assumed ownership liability.
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| Re: Sony/BMG said by nixen :said by loeakaodas :That's what I thought when I first read this somewhere else. Sony only licenced to use the protection made by that company so how can they be liable in this case. I'm playing devils advocate here, but isn't this right. Depends: if Sony/BMG merely licensed an off-the shelf product, then they have some measure of protection. However, if they contracted to have the software written for them, and/or assumed ownership rights to the software, then they also assumed ownership liability. -tom I think SONY should be held responsible by the affected customers; after all, they are the ones who prepared the product (audio CD) and then pushed it out in the public. Then, SONY can turn around and sue First 4 Internet for the damage that their software has done to SONY's customers.
SONY should have tested the DRM that First 4 Internet sold them before including it on their CDs. After all, ignorance is no excuse - a song that RIAA/MPAA and their member labels/studios are singing so hard.
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| Re: Sony/BMG said by Pirate515 :After all, ignorance is no excuse - a song that RIAA/MPAA and their member labels/studios are singing so hard. Pfft. Ignorance is no excuse...until it's your turn at bat in the blame game. Feel free to take a look at Capital Hill's running record for this one. | |
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| said by loeakaodas :That's what I thought when I first read this somewhere else. Sony only licenced to use the protection made by that company so how can they be liable in this case. I'm playing devils advocate here, but isn't this right. Not to give First Four a free pass on its involvment.Those azzhats need to get hosed as well.The question of responsibility falls on the corporation who claims ownership of the CD and its contents.That and who's pocket did the money from the sold product go into, Looks like Sony to me.
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| Doubt It's Enforcable... Well... let me correct that.
It's enforcable, but I doubt anyone's goign to be willing to jump through the hoops *to* enforce it, thus making it unenforcable.
Sony/BMG no doubt realized this at the time.
It's a nice story but... in the end will have no bearing on anythign because, well... in the end nobody cares enough to truly enforce the GPL in situation like this. After all, Sony has deeper pockets... | |
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| Re: Doubt It's Enforcable... Don't bet on it. There's been a number of successful lawsuits in Germany and other places where the copyright holder (i.e., the people who wrote the FOSS software) won hands down. Quickly. Judges know all about copyright; the LGPL and GPL are clearly written; and, having been enforced already...
Point: the penalties for copyright infringement are high. They're put that way to discourage even big companies from doing the deed. As I understand it, they're _per_ violation. Just how many copies of this thing has First 4 Internet and Sony sold?
Look at it this way: At the very least, assuming First 4 Internet/Sony fight this, some lawyer for the copyright holder is going to get very rich. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Doubt It's Enforcable... And, perhaps that's why it was only used on US-released titles: to avoid GPL/LGPL-aware markets like Germany...
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| Re: Doubt It's Enforcable... said by nixen :And, perhaps that's why it was only used on US-released titles: to avoid GPL/LGPL-aware markets like Germany... Actually, BMG was copy-protecting their European releases for a while before they started doing the same to their American ones. It was a European version of Celine Dion CD where protection was defeated by a permanent marker, while the U.S. version of the same thing was totally unprotected. Copy-protected CDs have been around here in the U.S. for around a year or so while the Europeans have been seeing them for around 3.
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| Re: Doubt It's Enforcable... True, but they only used the copy-infringing code on the DRM software that was used only on US-released CDs. At least, that's what the articles thus far have been saying.
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That's just plain ol' bullxxx. You might want to contact Linksys they have some experience with this. | |
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join:2004-01-17
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| Who wants to be there is no penalty? So, Sony screwed up, installed a rootkit on millions of computers, now they stole copyrighted software, and distributed 4+ million copies of it FOR PROFIT.
Lets see what the penalties would be for an american citizen, vs. what will happen to sony..
Botnet Zombie Maker with 400,000 machines (rootkits) installed. Looking at 50 years of prison. How is his rootkit any different than sony's rootkit? It's not. Both were installed by tricking the user to install via EULA clickthroughs.
Copyright infringement : The MPAA sentence for copying ONE MOVIE is 150,000.00 + 10 years. The sentence is PER VIOLATION. By my calculations, at 2,300,000 CD's sold with this copyright violating software, SONY should be liable for 345 Billion dollars then. And at 10 years per violation, times 2,300,000 CD's, divided by 162,000 employees, that's about 140 years of prison for every single employee.
Does all that sound ludicrous? It should, but that's the LAW as written, that's the law **AA's purchased from the US government. Why should they get a 'free ride', or even a 'slap on the wrist' penalty when they demanded outrageous penalties? They shouldn't.
The corporate drones wonder why so many people ignore the law. It's because the law is ludicrous. And the law becomes worse than ludicrous in sony's case, it becomes hypocritical, unless sony faces HUGE penalties for what they did. Why should anyone who releases a rootkit be punished, if sony can get away with 2.3 million rootkits? Why should any p2p user be charged with distribution, when sony SOLD for PROFIT 2.3 million copies of stolen code? The violations are clear. There is no excuse for them. The question is, will Sony be punished with a penalty to match the level of the infringement. (300+ Billion dollar penalty).
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| Re: Sony/BMG's hypocrisy is showing said by secondly :
...the makers of the free software dont contribute to economy.
In what way do IBM, HP, Sun, Novell, and Nokia (to name just a few) not contribute to the economy? They still pay their programmers, don't they? They still charge for service and support, don't they?
And what their customers don't have to spend to buy software is now available to be spent on other things. Free software actually raises the overall economic well-being. | |
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| said by Doctor Four :Hey Taylor (and other pro music industry trolls), what do you have to say about one of your corporate buddies doing the same thing that p2p users (or "pirates" as you inaccurately call them) are doing: infringing on someone else's copyrights (or "stealing" as you again incorrectly call it)? They won't post a word on this board condemming their copyright infringing idols.Their silence is proving them to be 100 % hipocrites.
Hmm not one post by taylor, ranting, hang the real scumbag pirates.Because they know they can not defend the "copyright Stealing" without speaking out of both sides of their mouth at once.Unless they are busy buying clues and vowels from sony on what to say and how to say it.As the brain washed zombies have no thoughts of their own
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| Re: Sony/BMG's hypocrisy is showing said by juwareze :
EXACTLY.
"Azzhats" like Taylor give all anon posters a bad name.
Taylor gives him/herself a bad name Anom posters have nothing to do with making Taylor look bad.He/she has that part down pat.Speaking of "pat" anyone remember the the old Saturday night live show, where they did this skit with "pat".
Nobody knew if pat was male or female.Same thing with Taylor nobody knows,Yet we all know how SNL's "pat" looked and sounded.Fwiw that's the impression i get of Taylor.Taylor and Pat are both one and the same. ~evil f*cking grin~
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