 mishaq
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jstep73
join:2004-02-28
Rock Island, IL | Re: And secretly Must....make...more...tinfoil...hats....... | |
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vliktor
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Philippines | Re: And secretly Except that they're made of aluminum... | |
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join:2002-09-02
Pasadena, TX
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my god....no wonder my hats weren't working!
You have to connect a ground wire to the foil in order to drain the current that the signals create. Otherwise the foil acts as an antenna.
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| stufried
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join:2003-10-13 | Mark my words, we will see a trojan within the next couple of months which has a file name beginning with $sys$. | |
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| Joe123456789
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Des Plaines, IL | This is just as bad starforce | |
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JoeOnSunset
Doublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.
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| My favorite part is, according to the definitions agreed-upon and mentioned in a recent DSLR article, this IS malware.
This is precisely why we can't believe the industry line that DRM is harmless and for our own good. Microsoft and the TPM group are always saying, "trust us, this is about empowering YOU."
Funny that this time it was someone so big as Sony. Usually you see smaller companies trying to get away with rediculous intrusions like this (a la Blizzard Entertainment, who was mostly let off the hook in these forums.) | |
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technick
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Loganville, GA | Absolute Crap! That's just absolutely crazy. The folks over at Sony and First 4 Internet should be held liable for damage to pcs and potential compromise of trade secrets due to this DRM. Any program that tries to hide itself is just wrong. | |
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| Thaler
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Encino, CA | Re: Absolute Crap! ...and these people want to push "secure computing" onto us? Sorry, but when your current-day rights management could best be classified as a "virus"...why should we be letting you have hardware-level control over anything in our computer? | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | thank god for illegal P2P, oh wait they will never see the writing on the wall that DRM hurts business.
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
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| oooo, can i sue sony now? can i sue sony now for hacking my pc if it does that crazy crap?
when will these people ever give up?
even if they made absolutely hack proof DRM blah blah, i can still hook the line out of a portable cd player or something to the line in on my sound card and hit record in sound recorder 
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| Thaler
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| Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? said by FLECOM :can i sue sony now for hacking my pc if it does that crazy crap? Nope. Hidden EULA in the CD cover. Should the CD create complications for your computer, it's your fault. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN | Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? AKAIK, clickwrap or shrinkwrap licenses have never officially been challenged in courts. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? The courts upheld that Lexmark's shrinkwrap license/contract was enforceable. You can find it at the EFF's website. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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| Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? said by gatzdon :The courts upheld that Lexmark's shrinkwrap license/contract was enforceable. You can find it at the EFF's website. I beleive you are referring to the Lexmark v. Static Controls case where Static Controls "reversed engineered" the chip that allowed aftermarket inkjet cartridges to work in their printers. You are right that it was decided in favor of Lexmark, however it was overturned on appeal and the SCOTUS has denied hearing the case. More info here.
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| Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? said by cdru :said by gatzdon :The courts upheld that Lexmark's shrinkwrap license/contract was enforceable. You can find it at the EFF's website. I beleive you are referring to the Lexmark v. Static Controls case where Static Controls "reversed engineered" the chip that allowed aftermarket inkjet cartridges to work in their printers. You are right that it was decided in favor of Lexmark, however it was overturned on appeal and the SCOTUS has denied hearing the case. More info here. Aside from the fact that your article predates the 9th Circuit Court Ruling, always go to the source, articles sometimes miss the real message.
»www.eff.org/legal/cases/ACRA_v_L···ling.pdf
The court upheld that Lexmark's shrinkwrap license on their so called Prebate printers was valid and enforceable. While the court did agree that the third party manufacturer was not party to that license, they did imply that Lexmard could sue their consumers when they violate the license by not sending the empty cartridge back to lexmark or by using a third party cartridge in the Prebate printer. It's a very discouraging read.
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Jason Levine
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USA | My problem with those a EULA like that is that the user can't read it and agree to it before opening the package. And once you've opened the CD case, good luck returning it if you don't agree to the EULA. | |
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| Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? said by Jason Levine :My problem with those a EULA like that is that the user can't read it and agree to it before opening the package. And once you've opened the CD case, good luck returning it if you don't agree to the EULA. Hehe, I didn't say I agreed to it, but rather, that's just how things are.  | |
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join:2005-08-29
Knox, IN | I wonder if some 12 year old from scandinavia made a virus that told you in a lengthy EULA that this program would erase all your .mp3's or .jpg's and corrupt your boot record, would that also be your fault for not reading the EULA? | |
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| Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? said by Sgtslaughtr :I wonder if some 12 year old from scandinavia made a virus that told you in a lengthy EULA that this program would erase all your .mp3's or .jpg's and corrupt your boot record, would that also be your fault for not reading the EULA? Probably. After all, that is ad/spy/malware's primary legal defense...and it seems to be working. | |
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join:2003-10-13 | Or better yet, some phisher in Bulgaria wrote a "free software" program which contained a EULA stating that he was authorized to use your PayPal account, Amazon account,and web banking account to help compensate for his efforts. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | does holding down shift work? or turning off autoplay?
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
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Bentonville, AR | Re: oooo, can i sue sony now? Be very careful. Saying that can get you locked up. Look at the poor SOB who came up with that in the first place.
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join:2000-08-16 | Re: Never buy a Sony CD ever again; BOYCOTT SONY How would we know they were complying? Really... | |
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GOLFnSUN
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| Re: Never buy a Sony CD ever again; BOYCOTT SONY said by ross :How would we know they were complying? Really... Because if they still continue to do things like that, someone like the person in the news item above will figure it out and it will be publicised.
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Kilroy
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| I believe you have it all wrong. We should buy lots of Sony CDs and then return them to the store opened because they would not play on our machines. This will cause Sony to put large bright stickers on all CDs with this garbage calling attention to their protection.
Next, sue Sony, and any other members of the RIAA or MPAA who try this, because they installed software to a computer without the consent of the owner and they offer no way to remove it.
They (RIAA/MPAA) are trying to change a business model that has been around for over half a century. Consumers are under the impression that once they purchase something they can copy it to use it on a different device. This has gone on for years. Now they (RIAA/MPAA) want to stop it. Too late.
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join:2005-08-02
Anaheim, CA
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| Welcome to Root Kits People Those of you not familiar with root kit technology should read up on it. This is some VERY nasty stuff that hides itself from many scanning programs. It hides itself by literally "becoming" a part of the OS inside the kernel....It's VERY bad stuff.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit | |
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Elf Wizard
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| Re: Welcome to Root Kits People would making an extremely limited user account prevent this stuff from being run and just allow the music to be played?
or are we better off just using the line in feature and some freeware recording software nowdays since the RIAA wants to hack our computers in the name of holding onto their 1950s business model.
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JoeSchmoe007
join:2003-01-19
New York, NY | Why is this a problem? Just disable Autorun on your system - problem solved. You should do this immediately after you install OS anyway. | |
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cacroll
Eventually, Prozac becomes normal
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Martinez, CA
| Re: Why is this a problem? said by JoeSchmoe007 :Just disable Autorun on your system - problem solved. You should do this immediately after you install OS anyway. I happen to LIKE Autorun. It does things for me that I don't want to disable.
I'm not going to cripple MY system simply because Sony and Apple are fighting, and because Sony has their heads up their arses.
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Oleg
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Birmingham, AL | Re: When DRM Goes Bad People still will find way to un protect CD protection it's just not gonna work no meeter how hard they try | |
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peter_m
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Canada, QC | Re: When DRM Goes Bad Doesn't that move from SONY justify downloading MP3 over spending money for a booby-trapped CD??? | |
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KeepOnRockin
Music Lover Forever
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join:2002-11-08
Beaverton, OR | That Ain't Good It would seem that the RIAA would never want their "DRM" associated with any type of PC backdoor, virus, malware, or rootkit.
It's just another PR nightmare to a technology that people aren't exactly embracing now. | |
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I will never buy a CD from Sony until they remove this rediculous DRM bullsh|t!
Why companies think it's OK to put their crap on my system in a vain attempt to protect their copywrited works is something I will never understand.
This software is akin to the bullsh|t starforce driver for some PC games. Funny thing is... THEY HAVE AN UNINSTALLER FOR STARFORCE!!
The thing that really has me pissed is the fact that even when a CD is not being played, you still take a hit on CPU and resources.
We need to boycott Sony HARD on this one! Let them know your pissed and this is a violation of fair use.
Give them hell like we gave Intel hell when they tried their PROCESSOR ID bullsh|t!!!
»esupport.sony.com/EN/feedback/feedback.html | |
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anonpronman
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| This Explains Everything OMG explains why I'm having all the problems with my computer.. I followed the step mentioned by mark over at sysinternals and indeed Sony has Rooted my Machine.
I'm having Frequent crashes after the purchase and install of that cd... When i call Sony for support on my dell they talk to me like i'm an idiot..
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join:2002-01-24
Toms River, NJ
clubs: | Re: This Explains Everything reformat and reisntall and never buy sony cds. | |
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Pz_
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Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Re: This Explains Everything I still buy blank Sony CDs. | |
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| Re: This Explains Everything said by Pz_ :I still buy blank Sony CDs. Yes, you will do it. Until some day you'll discover that all stuff you've written to those CDs belongs to sony... Did you read EULA that say about it with an extremely small font? The one that is hidden by a rootkit beneath recording layer
No seriously, it reminds me case with Intuit and Turbo Tax. And I just wish it to end up the same way.
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bigboy
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Palo Alto, CA | More experiences -- from a consumer perspective Check this blog out on his adventures with this same DRM crap.
»bigpicture.typepad.com/ | |
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Harddrive
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Norwich, CT | Re: More experiences -- from a consumer perspective lol, that's funny!:D
"If you have a Mac computer you can copy the songs using your iTunes Player as you would normally do."
guess us PC users loose out on that one. | |
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Boomerang86
Got FUD?
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clubs: | That's it! I'm selling my VAIO desktop. Sony sucks!
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Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | And why shouldn't we pirate the stuff now? Traditionally, people would be worried about getting a virus from a P2P network. Now, people have to worry more about getting a virus from a CD they bought than getting a virus on some P2P network. | |
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nohelpWA
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Federal Way, WA
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Marietta, GA | Re: SONY is a four letter no-no! The thing is, just because it doesnt say sony on it, doesnt mean sony didnt make it. ( or a LOT of the parts for it) | |
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DSLdewd
join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO | DRM The layers of crappy DRM just keep growing. Wait till windows Vista comes out with its crappy DRM that none of our current machines will even run. We will even have to replace our monitors to get that POS to work. | |
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join:2004-02-11
Taconite, MN | Re: DRM I just follow the rule of don't buy sony labels. We need to create a petition of users that will not buy sony. That way when sony sees how many people will not buy because of this DRM they will be forced to change. | |
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powerage66
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Seminole, FL | Re: DRM Just great...my favorite band is with sony. Well AC/DC, it's time for y'all to find a new record label.
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clank
join:2005-07-04
spain | go one step further, come up with a "sticker logo", I´ll share them around here! | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| They are correct Especially Retire_Rich aka Capitalist, etc.
I mean, we are all criminals according to the corporations. Why should you be surprised they do this stuff, it's only done for your own protection, and to keep prices down. Remember, they DESERVE to make a profit, and if all you criminals fail to purchase the same item 3-4 times, you DESERVE to go to jail.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
* WARNING: The preceding comment was SARCASM for those lacking the intellectual brain cells to understand it. In reality, I think that SONY and their ilk are dumbasses, who don't deserve anything. WARNING: Dr. Smith. The Preceding Comment WAS SARCASM. Please look up SARCASM in the dictionary before you post "you are all thieves" Mr. Capitalist and his good squad of Intelligent Design Morons.
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jpark
join:2005-02-05
Jackson, TN
| Encouraging file swapping? This makes no sense at all. Most DRM stuff is foolish, but this is actually counter productive.
Why would anyone place something on their computer deliberately which will damage their computer?
So if John Q. Uprightcitizen wants to purchase product A to play on his computer, but can't because product A is packaged in such a way at to damage his computer, would anyone be surprised if he obtains product A through a sharing network without the package bomb? | |
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jdb8167
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Maynard, MA | People are suing Apple for scratches People are suing Apple for scratches on an iPod but no one is suing Sony over this? We live in a very twisted world. | |
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