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They willJust need to find a way to contact family and friends by other means I suppose. | |
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2005-Oct-19 1:45 pm
Re: They willsaid by Cheese:Just need to find a way to contact family and friends by other means I suppose. They can still send and receive emails thru their ".mil" email accounts. It is just that those accounts can be easily monitored to make sure military secrets aren't being transmitted. When my nephew served in Iraq, I could send and receive emails from him all the time to an address on the military network. | |
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2005-Oct-19 1:47 pm
Re: They willVery True. This is only blocking commercial email accounts. | |
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said by FFH5:said by Cheese:Just need to find a way to contact family and friends by other means I suppose. They can still send and receive emails thru their ".mil" email accounts. It is just that those accounts can be easily monitored to make sure military secrets aren't being transmitted. When my nephew served in Iraq, I could send and receive emails from him all the time to an address on the military network. It is also blocks them from sending criticism, opinions, correspondence with reporters, personal information and other things. However, I'm not saying any of that is abnormal. Afterall, most work places ban use of commercial mailboxes for the same reasons. Why should the military not as well? | |
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Re: They willFreedom of speech doesn't necessarally apply to military when deployed. There are many limitations that are unconstitutional for civilians (can't say anthing bad about the president etc.).
The constitution typically applies to civilians. | |
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2005-Oct-19 2:37 pm
Re: They willsaid by raccettura0:Freedom of speech doesn't necessarally apply to military when deployed. There are many limitations that are unconstitutional for civilians (can't say anthing bad about the president etc.). The constitution typically applies to civilians. It's not just "when deployed". When you sign on the dotted line, you give up a lot of "rights" civilians take for granted. -tom | |
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2005-Oct-19 5:22 pm
Re: They willsaid by nixen:said by raccettura0:Freedom of speech doesn't necessarally apply to military when deployed. There are many limitations that are unconstitutional for civilians (can't say anthing bad about the president etc.). The constitution typically applies to civilians. It's not just "when deployed". When you sign on the dotted line, you give up a lot of "rights" civilians take for granted. -tom Aye, and those who have proudly served understand the reasons.  You "trade" those rights for "frag" grenades and fully automatic weapons  | |
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said by broadbander8: However, I'm not saying any of that is abnormal. Afterall, most work places ban use of commercial mailboxes for the same reasons. Why should the military not as well? Because you can't quit whenever you want. | |
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Re: They willActually I think they do get rid of the whiners now right in boot. No need for them if they can't handle the rules, life, stress. | |
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I'm afraid you need a few lessons on Good Order and Discipline and the role of a soldier, airmen, Marine, or sailor under the UCMJ.
I don't see a problem with this policy at all. | |
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Re: They willsaid by chrpai:I'm afraid you need a few lessons on Good Order and Discipline and the role of a soldier, airmen, Marine, or sailor under the UCMJ. I don't see a problem with this policy at all. Did you read my post? "Afterall, most work places ban use of commercial mailboxes for the same reasons. Why should the military not as well?" I agree with you! | |
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2005-Oct-19 5:25 pm
Re: They willThe difference is that while a civilian person can't use a corporate mailbox to do the things you say, a military person doesn't have the right to do those things anywhere in his life. | |
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2005-Oct-19 5:45 pm
Re: They willsaid by chrpai:The difference is that while a civilian person can't use a corporate mailbox to do the things you say, a military person doesn't have the right to do those things anywhere in his life. Would certainly have avoided that whole fiasco, last year, with the family that sued Yahoo to get access to their deceased son's webmail account. Besides, if it's a critical need and don't care about consequences, they'll find a way. -tom | |
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Having been a ballistic missile sub sailor, we got one way messages of less than 50 words when out @ sea. I was shocked to learn other aspects of the military allowed y! mail in war zones like iraq. it just seems to invite security breaches to allow hotmail in a war zone. seems like a good idea as long as the ban doesn't extend stateside. | |
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why don't they just hire network admin's that know what they are doing... | |
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2005-Oct-19 8:02 pm
Re: They willLooks like they do have admins that know what they are doing, they wanted webmail blocked... now it's blocked.  | |
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I think they just "created" a demand for private ISPs in Iraq. Somebody will make good money out of providing such a solution. | |
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Re: They willsaid by IanR:I think they just "created" a demand for private ISPs in Iraq. Somebody will make good money out of providing such a solution. BBR has a few Iraqi users that are non-military, non-coalition users (i.e. citizens). From talking with them, their biggest problem isn't access, it's power. | |
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/snifflebad news for me  understandable though | |
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2005-Oct-19 1:45 pm
Separate NetworkIf they are doing this they should provide a couple of computers separate from the government network in which individuals can email their family's.
Email is a lot more practical now a days then writing a letter so I think they should still provide this option as many families are worried sick about their family members oversea. | |
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|  JoeOnSunsetDoublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.
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Re: Separate NetworkAs was posted before, they can still use their ".mil" accounts. I don't know what the procedure is for assigning these and if everyone gets one. Maybe the reason people were using Google or Yahoo email accounts was that using the .mil email is not as convenient. I'm sure someone will post about that. | |
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It really has nothing to do with the "government network" more than the fact that's more easy to monitor incoming and outgoing mail on a local server (i.e., the .mil e-mail servers) than some remote commercial mail server. They're more concerned about leaked intelligence than about network infiltration. Which is why if you see somebody on here (won't mention anybody by name, but you'll recognize them) claiming to be posting from Iraq, chances are it's BS. | |
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said by alamarco:If they are doing this they should provide a couple of computers separate from the government network in which individuals can email their family's. I agree. (In some cases such may actually exist, particularly in base housing...but in other cases it may not.) This reminds me of the excessive restrictions on Internet access that exist in some college dorms, where people's personal access (from dorm rooms) is treated the same as access from administrative offices -- why exactly are machines in libraries being treated the same as those in offices? Of course, the military has "special needs" to maintain security and so on that don't exist on college campuses, but the general theme is similar. And why is only overseas access and not domestic access affected? -SC | |
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My Guess...Is that they're more concerned with what's going out than with what's coming in. | |
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|  HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.
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Re: My Guess...you are correct!! ding ding ding!
No more photos of anything like Abu Ghraib some place or pictures sent to www.nowthatsf***up.com from anyone. Remember, big brother is listening. | |
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2005-Oct-19 1:56 pm
Re: My Guess...They could always zip the files with some odd name for it | |
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Re: My Guess...thesearenotnakedpicturesofmebeatingiraqiprisoners.zip | |
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sure, but that's not going to stop those files from being scanned by whatever means one wants...
also from another post:
"It really has nothing to do with the "government network" more than the fact that's more easy to monitor incoming and outgoing mail on a local server..."
uhh.. yeah it kind of does, some less than savvy user opens up a "you just won an xbox 360" email or some such bs, and gets a worm or some other nasty that spreads through their systems, it would cause trouble.
Of course they're also concerned more w/outgoing, agreed. It's not that they wish to stop family communications, which is of obvious importance to the morale of everyone, it's exactly that they don't want much leakage of disturbing media files reaching out and winding up on some looney website. | |
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They still have blogs that they submit info to all the time. Check out » www.sacbee.com/content/n ··· 44c.html free registration required. It is worth reading. I think the Military is doing the right thing blocking the free web mail sites, many corporations do the same. | |
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2005-Oct-19 2:16 pm
nothing surprising here....gotta love censorship | |
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2005-Oct-19 2:43 pm
Re: nothing surprising here....How is this censorship??? Corporations all over the world do not allow their employees use personal email accounts from work. What is the difference here?? Those in the military work for the Federal Government. The Federal Government is the "corporation" and it is their property these people are using. They have every right to limit whatever they want to. | |
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As a military service person.. You give up many of your rights and are owned, essentially, by the government. I think it is for many reason, many legit reasons.. Espeically in the digital age. There is enough garbage that the press puts out. The military needs to protect itself, service persons, country, and Government. If ya don;t like it.. Don't sign up for the military. It is still a theater of war and they can't afford mistakes. | |
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| ricep5
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My company blocked webmail and chat access many moons ago, so this shouldn't be a surprise that the military is doing the same thing.
Doesn't matter if people are exporting corporate secrets or military ones, financial data or pix of dead Iraqi's, its the perogative of the owners to use their network as they see fit. | |
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What censorship? You obviously have no clue how the military operates and the need to prevent certain types of info out. | |
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2005-Oct-19 2:17 pm
Really?Works fine for me.
Gmail, Yahoo, MSN and yes I'm on DOD network right now.
So far they block anything related to IM, Gaming, Freeware/Shareware (ie SourceForge), personals, babe wallpaper sites, and blocked download of common file types.
So it's pretty tight.
It's all blocked to conserve bandwidth and OPSEC (operational secuirty). People are known for sending out tactical information.
But then in the first place, why would anybody use DOD network for personal use, there are dedicated places.
On top of that I hate that newspaper, it's terrible. | |
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Re: Really?Geez it took them long enough. This has only been done at every coroprate office I have worked at in the last 5 years. About time for them to catch on. | |
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said by Tomek:It's all blocked to conserve bandwidth and OPSEC (operational secuirty). People are known for sending out tactical information. But then in the first place, why would anybody use DOD network for personal use, there are dedicated places. On top of that I hate that newspaper, it's terrible. OPSEC? By that reasoning, servicemembers shouldn't be able to write letters. What do you think the computers in the base library are for? This affects them, too. This is about snooping. | |
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Dear Congresscritter...» www.senate.gov/general/c ··· _cfm.cfm» www.house.gov/house/Memb ··· te.shtmlDear Sir, Stars and Stripes is reporting that the Navy and Marine Corps have cut off access to web-based e-mail servers such as hotmail, yahoo, gmail, and others from military computers overseas. They claim that it is for network security. As someone very knowledgable in this field, this explanation is bunk. Plain and simple: the Navy wants to monitor outgoing communications from servicemembers by routing the communications through their own servers. This monitoring makes it impossible for service members to confidentially contact their civilian leaders, members of congress, lawyers, clergy, family, or members of the free press. Please use your oversight role to investigate this decision and arrange for corrective action. Thank you. Faithfully yours, -- Robb Topolski Your Oregon Constituant | |
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hmmIt's about time they got wise.
I was in 11 years and never got a .mil account. So don't think everyone just gets one or the infrastructure is there to support it for everyone. | |
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DOD Blocking WebsitesI am currently evacuated to Millington, TN but stationed in New Orleans, LA. Every personal email site I know of is currently being blocked. The big thing about all this is everyone who uses the network had to sign a letter stating that they will not use the network for civilian email and so on. If you don't believe you should have to follow these rules then don't sign the form and then they will deactivate your account and you won't have to worry anymore about the network. All or most bases provide non NMCI (Navy and Marine Corps Intranet) computers at their local MWR hangout. You can check whatever you want from there. If someone is so worried about not being able to access their personal email then have it forward your emails to your .mil address. | |
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|  DrexBeer...The other white meat.
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Drex
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2005-Oct-19 11:33 pm
Re: DOD Blocking WebsitesJust reinforcing what you said. It's not just overseas users it is ALL users on the Navy and Marine Corp Intranet.
I'll admit it makes it tough to do work with the limited resources we have available (limited DOD workstations that about 40 people are trying to share). Kinda makes it tough to carry on an email conversation when you can't check your .mil email because there are no workstations available. | |
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Re: DOD Blocking WebsitesYou know you could always buy a CAC Reader and check your .mil email at home. | |
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rewket
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2005-Oct-19 5:05 pm
this isthe freedom they are fighting for, LOL | |
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2005-Oct-19 5:13 pm
Air Force has done that for about 6 months nowSome of our overseas customers can not get through the base email firewall so we have to go home now to get the mail sent to our home email. | |
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This isn't just overseas.As a network admin for a .mil domain afloat we were recently required to add a laundry list of sites to block, including most webmail from free providers and ISPs. The message was one of many we receive regularly as a part of our network security. Right now we are stateside and while it is a pain not to be able to check your gmail or what not it makes perfect sense. Our exchange antivirus is maintained with the latest definitions and strict rules for scanning. With webmail none of that security is guaranteed. All the workstations are loaded with anti-virus also but I would rather it get caught before it gets that far.
As far as the censorship goes, you do sign a form saying that you will follow the rules of the network and all information is subject to monitoring. This is nothing new in the military, as almost every phone I have used has had the warning on it, "use of this phone is consent to monitoring." As a rule of thumb though we don't even consider looking at a persons mailbox without authorization from someone higher up.
It also goes down to the fact we have limited bandwidth, and with a T-1 line and 250 users it can get pretty tight when people are trying to work and all the launchcast, forums and various non mil websites bring the link to a crawl. | |
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2005-Oct-20 12:25 pm
Re: This isn't just overseas.NMCI IS PURE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE should just start listing email addresses, addresses, and phone numbers of high ranking officials in the military until they reinstate this priviledge. | |
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beyond ironicfighting for freedom while censoring the very same people getting shot at for other's ideals... | |
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2005-Oct-19 8:17 pm
Re: beyond ironicIt's an all volunteer force that I proudy gave up those rights and joined so that I could protect your right to whine. You could atleast have a clue why you are so wrong. | |
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2005-Oct-19 7:09 pm
Not NewsAir Force has had this turned off for a while now. On top of that you can't download or stream any music or video. Even if its for training. And this is stateside.
As far as web based email... this is super easy to circumvent and near impossible to completely stop. So don't give up there are ways to access Gmail/hotmail/etc from .Mil domains. | |
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2005-Oct-19 8:25 pm
Corperate intranets block webmail alsoIt's not so much about keeping secrets in. There isn't someone sitting there reading through email. Most military people don't need to spied upon. I have access to the internet from my computer at work, but I can't access webmail. It's a network security measure, not directly a national security issue. I do find it interesting that you can still access webmail from an NMCI computer stateside. | |
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This is a Good ThingThe main problem is that is is very difficult to monitor or protect against all the web-based mail services. The Navy can monitor (for defensive purposes) .mil emails to make sure malicious attachments get stripped, but some webmail services do not do this and allow attachments to come in. This is how many infections occur on government computers. The Navy is leading the way in blocking this activity, and the other military branches will soon follow suit once they realize the gain in bandwidth and reduction in computer compromises. | |
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2005-Oct-20 3:07 am
They could try a webased home email checkerwww.web2mail.com is not web based email in a way. It checks your email address anywhere in the world.
ex login is username@someisp.com
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2005-Oct-20 8:08 am
its a good thingI did 10 years in the Army as a Signal Soldier and now I do it for the Gov.
Most soldiers that aren't in the Signal Corps don't know squat about electronic security while using cell phones, PC's, blackberries or anything else that has a connection to a network. They turn it on, enter their password and expect it to be secure, as they should.
The only training you get as a non-signal soldier is a 1 or 2 hour block of Information Assurance training once a year and most could care less about it, just as I could care less about sitting through a mandatory 2 hour class on "Consideration for Others" training.
The information that spills out of our operations overseas and here in CONUS via web based email is unbelievable. All military members must agree to a DoD warning banner when signing on a DoD owned computer that specifically says they can be and will be monitored and access rights controlled. There is no surprise that most people don't read this banner and get pissed off when they can't get to the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit website or get brought up on charges for looking at Porn on a work computer.
ALL SOLDIERS in the US Army are required to get and are given an AKO (Army Knowledge Online) email address which is a web based portal for mail, Instant messaging, and access to their personal records. They can sponsor their family so the family members can get a limited access AKO account as well and communicate with their soldiers 24 hours a day, 7 days a week via chat or email. This provides a better than average controlled enviroment for the safety of our soldiers and the security of our operations. | |
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| DrexBeer...The other white meat.
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2005-Oct-20 8:32 am
Re: its a good thingAMEN!
Those IA training classes are just soooo much fun. If I'm not mistaken, I believe they are trying to convert them into a web based training class. | |
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Some webmails accounts still workWebmail like COX, Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo etc is blocked at all NMCI (.gov computer) terminals. Personal domain webmail (» mail.yourdomain.xxx) is still working. So spend a few bucks and get a email account from say Network Solutions and you don't have to worry (yet). Fritz Also in Millington from New Orleans | |
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2005-Oct-28 12:11 am
Re: Some webmails accounts still work
When you receive an NMCI account, you sign a user agreement to only use NMCI computers for official authorized purposes. That agreement specifically disallows the use of commercial email amongst other things. The CTO order applies to all Navy networks, not just NMCI. So the fellow claiming he could still use gmail has a crappy network staff that doesn't understand the phrase "immediately block" and probably has pitiful security.
Most interesting about the firewall blocking order isn't that it blocks some commercial email providers. It's that it only blocks certain ones (eg Earthlink, but not Verizon). The bulk of the IPs listed on the order were not webmail providers. It's not hard to guess that something else is going on that involved webmail. Most likely those webmail sites were found to be a significant path for data leaking out of protected networks.
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WebmailNo big deal, the Air Force has been filtering it out for a long time now. | |
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