said by Derch :

I agree, nothing can beat FIOS.

said by oliphant :

Cable's topology lends itself to costly bottlenecks in the field so they cap or have tons of trouble when they try to offer their dense subscriber areas 10Mb+ service.

said by LiamJunket :

teenage video porn downloaders.

said by click_310 :

Please stop using stereotypes! I download porn all the time and am not a teenager.

said by click_310 :

Please stop using stereotypes! I download porn all the time and am not a teenager.

said by SirXILE :

Agreed. Even though I have girlfriends. I still download and look at them.

said by nixen :

Heck, sometimes it's good to have downloadable nudie or porn pix of your real life SOs.

-tom

said by LiamJunket :

At some point, the price becomes more important than continual speed upgrades. And for 95% of the internet customers those numbers have already been reached.

said by Rob A :

No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle.

said by Rob A :

No one on cable with be able to hold 20Mbps/2Mbps consistently and will be capped very easily. And not to mention, when this things goes final, Verizon will just flip a switch and upgrade their speeds with no hassle.

said by Time :

Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable.

said by BosstonesOwn :

Here's a little note for ya. THE WHOLE INTERNET IS SHARED. You are as slow as your weakest point and right now cables is much lower then Fibers.

said by davidcb13 :

20 mbps is the same 20mbps over cable or over fiber. The medium makes no difference. Fiber maybe able to acheive higher speeds but at this point it dosent matter

said by BosstonesOwn :

True but you are failing to realize the limitations of the equipment moving the data not the medium itself.

Answer these 2 questions. How much throughput per channel on cable nodes and how much per channel on fiber ?

Then rethink the statement.

said by djrobx :

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Answer these 2 questions. How much throughput per channel on cable nodes and how much per channel on fiber ?

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Well, on a 800mhz system, there's 133 6mhz channels. At QAM256, that's 38mbps per channel, or 5054mbps per fiber node shared amongst everyone connected to it.

At the moment 70-90 of those channels are being used by analog cable on most systems. And of course all the digital cable and HDTV channels. Can you see why they want to switch everybody to all digital now? That analog cable takes up an enormous amount of their available bandwidth.

Bottom line, there's really an enormous amount of bandwidth that can be pumped through coax. It's just a matter of management.

said by dscline :

You seem to be countering your own point. Yes, the whole internet is shared, and yes, you are limited by the weakest point. But even with cable, your home connection is often not the weakest point. I "only" have 8MB cable, yet my download speeds are still frequently limited by the source. Very few of MY common everyday sites can saturate my pipe. Of course, that only holds true for downloads. Pure download speed is not what's attractive about FIOS. It's the upload speed, and lack of a download cap.

But I think an earlier sentiment holds true: for most of the market, the differences aren't great.

said by Time :

Just because FiOS is fiber, doesn't mean there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth. Verizon can't just "flip a switch" without gaining more bandwidth from their end, it's common sense. FiOS is still a shared source, just like cable.

said by Dr Demento :

And as a former OOL user myself, since I am in PA now I can tell you that I usually got 9/900 out of my 10/1 connection with virtually no downtime. And for people that are having problems on OOL are either on a really crowded node, which is seems apparent since you're in Long Island, you were truly downloading to much or just one of those victims of circumstance.

P.S: A crowded Node or server can happen on any ISP or connection medium. It could even happen on Fios if Verizon ever mismanages it.;)

And to anyone who said cable is the weaker link, yours is still weaker than the guy appointed to manage an OC-48, do you feel comfy now?

said by Jeffrey :

You're just jealous because you don't have Fios.

said by Jeffrey :

I also got roughly 9/1 out of my OOL connection from 1999 through 2003. After 2003, it got steadily worse.

I don't buy the argument "downloading too much". That's a weak, catch-all phrase that depends upon opinion, and in no way can that be used to describe general degredation of a service for 2 years.

You're just jealous because you don't have Fios.

said by Dr Demento :

You pretty much confirmed on what I have stated. Your connection got steadily worse as more people signed up in your area. Since FIOS basically works on the same principle but with less, but larger nodes how can't Verizon guarantee the same thing might happen?

I'm not jealous of your connection, I am just current satisfied with mine. However, if Verizon FIOS becomes available in my area and is being offered a better price not to mention better packaging for their TV service then I will give it a try.

I'm sorry but like others say, it isn't only about the bandwidth.

said by Wh19L45H :

lol boost it keeps you regular
wrong url »www.boostbenefiber.com/
looked for the info on ool boost but no find

said by r81984 :

If a national company offers a tier of service in one area it should have to offer it everywhere.

said by r81984 :

If a national company offers a tier of service in one area it should have to offer it everywhere. Just because fios is not in their other markets is no excuse, there really needs to be a law made to make national companies have fair universal prices and services.

said by rka27 :

See...after 2003 ool just sucks period. But see...fios has a better flow to get higher speed such as 50+ megs or w/e...copper can b limited maybe to 50 only but they all are shared. Since OOL is owned by cablevision there are TV's and Internet running all over the place in NJ NY and CT...when Verizon puts their tv stuff out its gonna be the same problem when people start changing over...Downtimes and lower speeds each year is Inevitable...in Japan they have fiber all over the country but guess what can they still play video games under 100ms in US servers?....negative bc they connection 100Mbs but they are shared..Sux but i like the verizon fios..i even WANTED to change to it...but since SOUT NEWJERSEY aint getting anything until next year i might just chill with OOL on their 20mbs and try it out...if it does happend to run at those speeds and my pings r low as balls.....hah maybe fios and cable r the same shit

said by rka27 :

lmao 30/5 its $150+....tahst y evryone gets the 15/2 package