 NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| What next Will they force me to watch commercials.. demand sensors be installed in couches to know when we get up and do other things while commercials are playing. Install sensors to make sure we dont avert our eyes during commercials. Have mandatory quizzes about commercials after the shows before the movie plays further.
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: What next Can't wait.
Until we all just say "F*** it" and start pirating their content uncontrollably. DRM is evil. | |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | Re: What next Ooops!
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL | Talk about Clockwork Orange. let's peel your eyes open and force you to watch our brainwashing commercial propaganda so we can make more money  | |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | Re: What next Blipverts, man... that's the way to go. Only problem is they overstimulate obese persons, causing them to explode.  | |
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dslhater
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join:2001-09-24
Chicopee, MA
clubs: | Yeah sure give them more ideas. I bet they will think about all your suggestions lol | |
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| dibbers
join:2003-09-19
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| What producers will end up doing is more product placement in TV shows and movies. Take the Martha Stewart Apprentice show, it's like an hour long K-mart commercial that millions of people will watch.
Or Extreme Makeover Home Edition, I think Sears pretty much owns that show.
Or the last few episodes of American Dreams, remember the Ford and Campbells Tomatoe Soup placements?
Or the most recent "The Office" show, it was filmed entirely in the "Chili's" restaraunt.
This is what you'll be seeing, your favorite CSI investigator drinking a Coke after his bust. | |
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stickfigure
join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA | Re: What next At least product placement doesn't waste your time like most worthless commercials do.
Being able to skip through commercials is about the only reason I love my DVR. If it loses that ability why the hell do I want to keep it? | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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·Vonage
| Hell -- most cable networks already put crap on the bottom and on the sides that isn't even part of the show. They just blatantly cover up part of the picture with their superimposed adware. Most of the time it's for their own shows but I wouldn't put it past them to start putting sponsors crap at the bottom and on the sides.
And what the hell is it with these logos that are always visible in the corner? They used to be transparent and inconspicuous. These days it's OK for most networks to plop their opaque logo in the corner.
And when is the last time you've watched a movie and the credits? Even on the pay channels (HBO, CIN, SHO, TMC, STARZ), the don't play the credits anymore without sqeezing it into a postage-stamp sized portion of the screen or rolling it so quickly, you haven't a chance unless you have a DVR and you can freeze the stream.
I understand the networks have to make money and that ad revenue is almost their sole source. I also understand that DVRs make it tough when folks can speed through the commercials and get back to the show. I don't know where it's headed but if the content we view within a 30 minute segment drops much lower, we'll be dangerously close to a point where almost half the segment is ads. When this happens, I think I'll quit watching regular TV.
I wouldn't be surprised if HBO starts running ads between movies. | |
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captokita
Premium
join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC
| How does skipping over commercials with a DVR differ from fast forwarding through them on a vcr? Saying "Well, you're kind-of watching commercials fast forwarding on a vcr." doesn't work because I can easily hit stop, FF 2 min. stop, play and bingo, same spot. Your Tivo/DVR records the commercials, how can they tell if you skip them or not?
"Holy @#@$!! I got hit with a $40 penalty for skipping 20 commercials! " Can that be far off? | |
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
Premium,MVM
join:2000-01-13
Oregon, USA |  Greedy bastards, they don't even provide the ads
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Carlisle, PA
·Cox HSI
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| Re: Greedy bastards, they don't even provide the ads Said by Program Content Provider: "The fees we charge the cable companies are based on a certain ad revenue cost recovery rate. If the end viewers are skipping commercials, advertisers will be less willing to pay high advertising fees. This means we will need to pass the uncovered costs of providing content along to the end viewers. Is it fair that we charge all viewers when it's really only those who skip the ads that are requiring fees to go up?"
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stickfigure
join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA
| Re: Greedy bastards, they don't even provide the ads "Is it fair that we charge all viewers when it's really only those who skip the ads that are requiring fees to go up?"
Is it fair that we charge all viewers for all channels when its really only a couple channels viewers want to watch? Put that in your pipe and smoke it,jackass content providers!!!  | |
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join:2003-11-11
Gladewater, TX | Re: Greedy bastards, they don't even provide the a A lot of the content providers require the purchase of groups of channels. Their are not really that many providers offering cable content. | |
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BlitzenZeus
Burnt Out Cynic
Premium,MVM
join:2000-01-13
Oregon, USA
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: Greedy bastards, they don't even provide the a So if we would leave the tv on all day our bill would get smaller, even if someone was not watching it? I don't think so.... This call came about in the digital cable/sat age, and these damn boxes track just about everything you do. So in the end they don't get the audience for their commercials, boo hoo, we really didn't want to see them anyway, they were already paid for the channels, get over it, and stop counting your piles of money while wishing you could have more.
I don't watch much tv, as a matter of fact I only have the free local broadcast channels at this time, but the few shows I like to watch are better if I don't have wade through the commercials, even my vcr records shows with automatic commercial skip which works 95% of the time so I don't even have to fast forward/resume.
If I really like a show, I actually buy the seasons to watch when I want to, they are like mini movies, and you get many of them for the price of 3 normal dvd movies or less usually.
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HardwareGeek
join:2003-11-15
Brooklyn, NY
| Sad All of you complain about ads. Ads on websites ads on TV. If you guys didn't try so hard to circumvent ads they wouldn't try so hard to force more ads or us or try to make money from you a different way.
Want free TV ditch cable and stick with your local channels.
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cob_
1310nm Of Goodness
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join:2003-07-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: Sad Ah no, even your local channels run commercials. I think you've missed the point. | |
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join:2005-06-06
| Well not quite. Cable used to have A LOT less ads when it first started and nobody was capable of circumventing anything for years after cable was available and yet ads increased to the point where no channel is without them except for the pay channels (i.e. HBO, etc.). So you are wrong to say that they wouldn't force more ads on us because they did that a long time ago. | |
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| clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| You're mostly correct. Advertising is a trade of the viewer's time for programming. Unfortunately, broadcasters have increasingly tipped the balance of that trade in their favor by inserting more commercials, more promotional messages and on top of that, inserting "snipes" (stupid lower-third advertising) in the middle of the programming. Mark my word, as snipes and those silly "info popups" become more common place, it's all a warm-up to get you to accept them in the middle of the program.
Commercial time used to be tightly regulated, now it's a free-for-all where the commercials can be anywhere from 25% to 100% (infomercials). Some stations have resorted to dropping entire frames of programming so that at the end of the program, they'll have an extra thirty or sixty seconds of advertising to sell paid-for by the viewer! How's that for respecting your audience?
By-passing commercials is an attempt to push that balance to a more equal footing. Broadcasters haven't figured out that the viewer now understands that their time is a valuable commodity. When they treat it as such, they'll either provide more valuable programming, cut back on the number of commercials or be forced into irrelevance by technology.
Unfortunately, the latter seems to be the way it's going to play out.
Worst case scenario is that time-shifting and PVRs that are fully capable of commercial skipping will enter into the domain of the uber geek. Those who can make them, get all the benefits. Those who can't, are stuck with whatever Microsoft deems them worthy of having. | |
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by HardwareGeek  :All of you complain about ads. Ads on websites ads on TV. If you guys didn't try so hard to circumvent ads they wouldn't try so hard to force more ads or us or try to make money from you a different way. Want free TV ditch cable and stick with your local channels. How is it free? $40-$50/month CATV isn't free.
If it were an antenna, fine. Just the fact that there are ads on PAY television is ridiculous, much less ads that if ignored, are added to your bill.
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GujuGuy67
join:2003-07-28
Garland, TX | Make your own PVR! Thats exactly what I did, use Beyond TV and you will love it!
Tivo's got nothing on it.
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AkumalDave
Life's A Beach
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join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN
| said by GujuGuy67 :Tivo's got nothing on it. Even a simple ATI TV Wonder card with the bundled software does a nice job - without "phoning home" your recording habits to the mothership...
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InMontreal
Throttled
join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
·VIF Internet
·AEI Internet
| Ri-di-cu-lous After reading the news 2 daus ago about the RIAA wanting more from ITunes for popular songs, and the honest answer from the CEO reffering to piracy as a solution for their master plan... and now I'm reading THIS as a commercials on TV solution?
Whose 2-watts brain IQ thought about "Control-based content pricing"?
Idiots. | |
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guitarzan
See. Now watch and learn.
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| Re: Ri-di-cu-lous said by InMontreal :After reading the news 2 daus ago about the RIAA wanting more from ITunes for popular songs, and the honest answer from the CEO reffering to piracy as a solution for their master plan... and now I'm reading THIS as a commercials on TV solution? Whose 2-watts brain IQ thought about "Control-based content pricing"? Idiots. Microsoft
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UnionJax
join:2002-09-25
Richmond, IN
| VCR Looks like its time for us to go backwards and bring back the VCR, at least we can control what we record that way. I really like my TiVo, I hope they don't try and stop me fast-forwarding the commercials in the future. Even more disturbing is if DVR's start self erasing time sensitive shows.  | |
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TK Junk Mail
Drop dead to the DDos scum
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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| Re: VCR If they ever implement this on Comcast, back goes the DVR and Comcast loses the $9.95/mo in DVR fees.
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| mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Mishawaka, IN | I still use my VCR, and I have no intention of changing. Everybody griping about DVR's...it's what happens when you get a machine that's smarter than you. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: VCR said by mlundin :I still use my VCR, and I have no intention of changing. Everybody griping about DVR's...it's what happens when you get a machine that's smarter than you. So does that VRC record that DTV pretty good? It doesn't take much of an imagination to see that non-digital recording could have a limited future. Sure your VCR likely will work in the near future...but some day it might not.
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Carlisle, PA | Re: VCR One could always buy one of the DVD recorder boxes, instead. No way to erase those once written.
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mph300
Two Thirds The Way There
join:2000-11-09 | Microsoft DVR.......... No thanks, I'll keep my replay 5000 series where I can do as I wish(at least for the time being anyhow).
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JAAulde
yum yum yum yum yum
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-09
Hagerstown, MD
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| They are in the business to make money said by DSLR/BBR Article: Microsoft DVR: Pay More if You Skip Ads :
but let's hope this isn't the industry's answer - unless they want to push users toward home-brew Bit Torrent solutions.
Remembering that the entrainment industry is in the business to make money, and remembering that Americans and many others are seeking more for less (often to the point of seeking free versions), I think that anything the industry does to maintain their revenues will lead to "home-brew Bit Torrent solutions."
I don't partake in or support piracy, nor do I stand behind the industry's methods of "preventing" it. But articles like this always make me think about the fact that nobody wants to pay for products received, and everybody wants to make money through the sale of their own products. The battle will never end!
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Razgriz
Pandora rocks
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join:2005-05-31
Fayetteville, NC
clubs:
| What the hell? Greed, Greed, Greed. This kind of shit is simply outrageous. Why the hell should we pay more if we want to skip ads? Bull.
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| bth_lonewolf
join:2005-03-28
Redmond, WA
| Re: What the hell? said by Razgriz :Greed, Greed, Greed. This kind of shit is simply outrageous. Why the hell should we pay more if we want to skip ads? Bull. Well, not really. The problem is this: the SOLE source of income for networks is advertising revenue. With VCRs, this was never much of a problem -- quality, convenience, etc. -- with DVRs and their capability, it's a real problem.
It's only a matter of time until the adoption rate of DVRs is high enough that will cause a collapse of the business model.
So it's not so much about greed, it's about coming up with a reasonable business model. I love my DVR, too, and sure as hell fast forward through commercials. But I also realize that as soon as everyone is doing it, there's a problem. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: What the hell? I'd pay a few extra bucks a month to skip commercials. What's the big deal? I want caller ID, as I am sure many here also have, and pay the national average rate of $5.50 a month.
Problem is here, not in the real world. (Thank god) This "gimme gimme gimme" and "I won't pay you anything" model of BBR is sickening anymore.
YOU have the right to make a choice.. go with? or go without! If skipping commercials is SO important to you, buy one less Big Mac Value mean a month! Combine two of your errands into one and save that 1 gallon of gas. You'd be doing the economy and environment good at the same time too!
Funny how people are willing to pay for "things" and not for services. Are we all asking for the government to pay for it all for you? Where should the money come from now that everyone wants to skip the 8 minutes of commercials in a 1/2 hour viewing block? When di your lives become so important that you have to maximize your time? Get over it! and if you don't like the technology, take the advise of other users, get yourself a VCR and skip away! | |
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seriousinvid
@verizon.n
| Not! I guess this ultimately means Verizon is NOT serious about video.. with all these restrictions, AND a higher over-all price structure? No wonder it ended up in BellAtlantic vaporware back in 1996!!!!!
Its non-inovatative attitude like that which will make the VIDEO portion of fios bounce bigger than the gas bills at the pump!! | |
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
Premium
join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | This is economically legitimate Ads are the major source of revenue for TV channels. If broadcast TV didn't have ads, it wouldn't exist. So if you are guaranteed not to have any commercials, you are one less ad viewer who will have to pay full price to watch. | |
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@comcast.net
| No ads No programs Ads are what payees the actors, the network, and the broadcasting. If everyone stops watching the ads then actors quit, network goes out of business, broad casters quit. Then all tivo, dvrs, vcrs ,and tv are useless. It is even possible there be no cable internet service. | |
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dadkins
I Don't Care
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Build one! Well, I bought a laptop that *IS* a DVR, I can skip whatever I want to skip.
Yes, it is Digital.
Yes, I do have softwares that allow me to edit my recorded programming.
Yes, it will burn anything to DVD.
Yes, I do record and watch TV on *MY* terms! 
Plenty of tuner cards out there, and DVR software, that will allow you to do the same.
Screw me? NO! Screw them! ;)
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Louisville, KY | Re: Build one! I think you'll find the television networks operate with the same policy, and they have more funding with which to screw you. | |
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dadkins
I Don't Care
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: Build one! Love the "Commercial Skip" fast forward mine has too! Click once - 45 second skip... twice - 1:30 skip.
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DreamWraith
Premium
join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA | RE: Commercials they might be able to force you to watch commercials in that way using their dvr devices, however, i can bet that you will still be able to get software, be it commercial or OSS, that will allow you to use your pc however you see fit as a DVR. | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Re: RE: Commercials Ahh, but you aren't looking at the BIG PICTURE.
The big picture of the future is forced support of the TCPA chip. Remember, your computer won't play any music, video, content unless it's compatible with the TCPA chip. Period. OSS will be made illegal. Importing non TCPA computers will be illegal. Using encryption on your internet connection will be illegal. Remember, this is a control issue, and they need to close all the loopholes.
All the legislation is tied together. They want to close any and all 'loopholes' which will allow a customer to view conent the way the customer wants to. Remember, you exist to support the **AA's and the big corporations, not the other way around.
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join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| Re: RE: Commercials Well, when that happens, I will probably stop watching.
Crap, I could probably live without a TV at all, were it not for my wife. When the day comes that TV has mandatory advertising that you aren't allowed to skip, record, or otherwise make more palatable - I'll just stop watching.
That is what these companies should really be scared of. They can control how you view, but they can't make you view. If they make it bad enough - I suspect more and more people will get fed up, and go do something else. | |
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guitarzan
See. Now watch and learn.
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| said by G_Poobah :Ahh, but you aren't looking at the BIG PICTURE. The big picture of the future is forced support of the TCPA chip. Remember, your computer won't play any music, video, content unless it's compatible with the TCPA chip. Period. OSS will be made illegal. Importing non TCPA computers will be illegal. Using encryption on your internet connection will be illegal. Remember, this is a control issue, and they need to close all the loopholes. All the legislation is tied together. They want to close any and all 'loopholes' which will allow a customer to view conent the way the customer wants to. Remember, you exist to support the **AA's and the big corporations, not the other way around. Thanks for bringing up the real agenda here.It's what the deal is about, as one can see from the company that is applying for a patent to control it.
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DreamWraith
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join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA
·Comcast
| if they, and you think the world wont balk at forced tcpa chip usage, you and they are sadly mistaken. the world will balk. and there will be loopholes. there always is. there will always be hackers, crackers, modifiers, and people who dont beleive in the restriction of personal rights.
the general poulace might accept something along the lines of forced tcpa chip usage, but the largest portion of computer and technology enthusiasts will find a way around it wether or not it is illegal.
if they make importing illegal, i will simply move to a different country. i hear network admins get paid well across the globe... | |
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
·Verizon Online DSL
| TV jjust ain't that important I'm about one step away from pulling the plug on TV. I'm currently on a special promotion where I get the "basic package" (CNN, FXNEWS etc.) and a bunch of digital channels for $35 a month, but the one thing I've learned is that when that promotion expires it's being cut back to the $13 broadcast channels only mini-basic. The number of commercials and info-mercials that clog up the other channels especially in off hours is just ridiculous. Pay $60 for a basic cable TV package (w/o any HBO, etc.), I don't think so, just don't get that much enjoyment from it. Nothing a like programs that run 9 minutes of content, followed by 5 minutes of commercials. Sorry I'll find something else to do with my time. If folks will just turn off the TV and realize it is not a necessity I think you would see the commercial clutter eventually reduced, and the cable companies drop their price. Heck, Charter's promotion markets it like it's crack, what their slogan "Get Hooked", we'll give it to you cheap at the beginning on the assumption that you will mistakenly think you can't live without it. Commercial clutter + high cable prices equals time to do something else. | |
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I Vant Blud
join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ | Re: TV jjust ain't that important True that:D | |
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ctceo
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join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | Other way Ummm, No.
If I have to watch your commercials, then YOU owe me, not the other way around.
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tcp1
Premium
join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA | Re: Other way Exactly! But that's how they're going to phrase this.. They're not going to say they're -charging- us, they're going to say we're getting a discount when we watch the commercials. | |
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@taconic.net
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AkumalDave
Life's A Beach
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join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN
| "Better", but not "Best" said by Cgoody :
well i think that you all should just switch to dishnetwork Three words why Dish ain't the best:
NFL Sunday Ticket
I'm sticking with DirecTV, thanks anyway! Never needed Tivo - don't anticipate needing the new, downgraded version.
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hbarbrey
T6Broadband
join:2000-03-19
Kirkland, IL | What is so damn important about a stinking football game?
A childs game played by childish adults for an excessive amount of $$$ that none of them could ever earn if they were to try and compete in the business world.
Give me a break already! | |
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IOddity
join:2005-06-06
Rio Dell, CA
| I wonder.... How long it will take for someone to create a small app that will filter the tag from the signal if you stream it to your pc? Or maybe just hack the file on the DVR hdd. Really, as if many of the other forms of trying to secure their info weren't a hell of a lot more of a pain to crack than these tags are likely to be. | |
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join:2003-11-14
Beverly Hills, CA
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In latest news - The Buggy -Making Guild sues the inventor of the steam engine!
"The rampant use of cheap steam engines will drives us out of business!", laments Efraim Binkelsworth, a local horse-keeper.
"You want cheaper transportation? Hah it does not come free, we need to feed and house horses, pay expert craftsmen to build buggies and then maintain them!", was the answer of Elisabeth Forsythe, a local seamstress whose product line includes horse droppings bags used in the horse and buggy tra |
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