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Philly burbs | Greedy music industry Steve Jobs has given his answer to what he's called the "greedy" music industry"
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by pike  :Hmm.. the pot calling the kettle black? -Mike What are you insinuating? | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by Cod :What are you insinuating? Certainly not that Jobs is himself fairly greedy. **cough cough ipodanditsnonreplacablebattery cough cough**
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| Re: Greedy music industry Surely you remember that Apple didn't initially offer battery replacements?
»www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/
Yeah, I thought so.
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by AthlGrond :Surely you remember that Apple didn't initially offer battery replacements? » www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/Yeah, I thought so. you know, im tired of reading shit like this. apple was not frickin obligated to offer you a battery replacement!
NOWHERE in their marketing did they claim that the battery was replaceable nor did they claim it would last for years. the ipod has a LiIon battery, batteries which are well known to have a finite number of charge cycles. every laptop computer, palm pilot, etc has the exact same issue. aditionally apple does NOT have to provide you with the parts or capability to replace the batteries. does GE provide with the parts to replace the filament when your light bulb burns out? are they terrible for not doing so?
NO one is forcing you to BUY the ipod, NO one is forcing you to LIKE the ipod, NO one is even forcing you to THINK about the ipod but it is not productive for you to continue to rehash old and invalid arguments. you have contributed nothing new to the collective intelligence of BBR.
try posting again when you have something original to say.
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Ingersoll, ON | Re: Greedy music industry And Apple sells iPods that come with new batteries | |
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Morganton, NC | Re: Greedy music industry There is a MAJOR difference in a $1.00 light bulb with a burned out filament, and a $200+ IPod.
Sorry but that's a very lame argument.
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| *laughs* I love the Mac fanatics. You point out that, yes, the product isn't perfect, and they throw questionable 3rd party solution/workarounds to the matter...like hobbling along w/ duct tape is what makes a product superior.
Point that out further, especially having the compnay being on record as either ignorant and/or greedy, and then you get a big steaming load of STFU FLAMER!
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| Re: Greedy music industry quote:
*laughs* I love the Mac fanatics. You point out that, yes, the product isn't perfect, and they throw questionable 3rd party solution/workarounds to the matter...like hobbling along w/ duct tape is what makes a product superior.
Questionable 3rd parties? Most of those are reputable companies. There are others that will take your iPod, replace the battery and send it back to you. How is this duct tape, etc? You get your iPod in the same condition you sent it in, a new battery.
And don't get me started on the junk Windows users need to keep their systems running well (virus scanners, ad-ware busters, spyware defenses, etc). Those are more duct tape than an iPod battery replacement.
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Point that out further, especially having the compnay being on record as either ignorant and/or greedy, and then you get a big steaming load of STFU FLAMER!
Probably ignorant. But it's no different than me taking my 3 year old Explorer back to Ford and demanding new brakes, tires, and a battery because they all wore out.
It's just common sense, something sorely lacking in America these days. Everyone as the "it's someone else's fault" mentality these days. No personal responsibility at all. | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by itguy05 :Questionable 3rd parties? Most of those are reputable companies. There are others that will take your iPod, replace the battery and send it back to you. How is this duct tape, etc? You get your iPod in the same condition you sent it in, a new battery. Hows about we just jump on this new technology called "the battery compartment" and make it so I can go to Radio Shack and replace mine own damn battery without having to pry the back off with a butter-knife mmm-k. I'm mean it's not as if 99.999919% of all other portable electronics have accessible batteries. (and no that isn't a challenge to you to find one that doesn't and post it here cause:
a: I'm sure there are others and
b: It's still stupid)
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| said by itguy05 :Probably ignorant. But it's no different than me taking my 3 year old Explorer back to Ford and demanding new brakes, tires, and a battery because they all wore out. No...it would be more along the lines of taking in your Explorer into Ford for servicing said brakes, tires, and battery, and then having Ford respond by telling you to "just buy a new car". If you build a product that obviously has consumables that will need to be replaced sometime during the product's lifetime, and leave no easily-accessible method for servicing, that's piss-poor planning right there. | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by AquaBlaze :said by itguy05 :Probably ignorant. But it's no different than me taking my 3 year old Explorer back to Ford and demanding new brakes, tires, and a battery because they all wore out. No...it would be more along the lines of taking in your Explorer into Ford for servicing said brakes, tires, and battery, and then having Ford respond by telling you to "just buy a new car". If you build a product that obviously has consumables that will need to be replaced sometime during the product's lifetime, and leave no easily-accessible method for servicing, that's piss-poor planning right there. Or if the battery of a laptop goes out and you are told to get a new laptop. | |
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| said by Fronkman :you know, im tired of reading shit like this. apple was not frickin obligated to offer you a battery replacement! NOWHERE in their marketing did they claim that the battery was replaceable nor did they claim it would last for years. the ipod has a LiIon battery, batteries which are well known to have a finite number of charge cycles. every laptop computer, palm pilot, etc has the exact same issue. aditionally apple does NOT have to provide you with the parts or capability to replace the batteries. does GE provide with the parts to replace the filament when your light bulb burns out? are they terrible for not doing so? NO one is forcing you to BUY the ipod, NO one is forcing you to LIKE the ipod, NO one is even forcing you to THINK about the ipod but it is not productive for you to continue to rehash old and invalid arguments. you have contributed nothing new to the collective intelligence of BBR. try posting again when you have something original to say. Time to take a deep breath.
You OK now? Good.
Now if you recall there wasn't any talk from Apple when the iPod first came out about the battery not being replaceable. None. It wasn't something that people were concerned with since most high end equipment is serviceable by the manufacturer. Why would anyone think Apple would not service their own equipment?
Perhaps originally it was an oversight that they didn't have a plan to offer replacements.
You have to admit that it was real funny that they would recommend that you just buy a new iPod. Did it make them look greedy? You bet!
So why you are so defensive of this? Personally I find it funny. Why not join me in having a good chuckle at Apple's expense? Go on it's fun! 
Oh and by the way I bought an iPod after they started a battery replacement program, so I'm not holding their greed (or was it initial incompetence?) against them.
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| Re: Greedy music industry The thing that infuriated people was when their battery pack cycled out they would call apple to see about getting a new battery installed and they where told to go purchase another Ipod.
Creative HD players have easily replaceable batteries, and battery packs that snap on the back on these players to increase their play time. Not only that they are cheaper.
Now I like Ipods I like how they work. The new Ipod Nano is intriguing but again you can see they are not designed for battery replacement.
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| calm down mac kiddies.....i know the thought of ipod losing popularity frightens you...once ipod loses its edge(always has been crap anyways..korea/japan had better long before..wonder why ipod doesnt sell much there?.......once ipod is gone so is apple as a whole.....in the end its a nice looking shite battery mp3 player...that tries to charge you for every little feature and option possible....greed....and has it worked?...how many ipods have you mac kiddies bought?....youre on your 4th? 5th? in 2 years? LOL they could have given you a better battery at launch...but then they wouldnt sell their "service package" which the mac rep admitted to me at compusa was a joke.....since everyone would have to buy it...or pay more when their battery dies.....and your battery WILL die or not perform up to par....this place is such a mac kiddie one button mouse idiot club...enjoy your glorified email machines...and oh yah...now a mp3 portal..lol pathetic...come up with some real excuses and reasons for mac being better...this is a joke | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by macsukz :
once ipod is gone so is apple as a whole. Bah, Apple still has their computer division, and there will always be the supply of people who still want to have dictated what they can and can't do with their machine. | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by yabos :If you expect the battery to last forever there's something wrong with you. The problem wasn't the users expecting the battery to last forever, but there was no contingency plan for such from Apple...other than "buy a new one". In high-end consumer electronics, telling your customers to repurchase a product in order to correct a consumable commodity...either shows a lack in planning, or extreme greed. | |
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Surely you remember that Apple didn't initially offer battery replacements?
So? Plenty of other 3rd parties were offering the batteries, instructions, and service before Apple. | |
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by itguy05 :So? Plenty of other 3rd parties were offering the batteries, instructions, and service before Apple. *laughs* So you can have a whole 'nother host of problems to jump through? Please. they either should've been powered via alkaline, or some $0.10 plastic battery case. Knowing batteries, it's pretty obvious that it was a consumable, and would need replacing at some date. Wether not having a battery replacement service was a mistake, or a planned obsolecense time is a different matter. | |
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| said by AthlGrond :Surely you remember that Apple didn't initially offer battery replacements? » www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/Yeah, I thought so. Man that is so yesterdays news.
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by ifarrell :Man that is so yesterdays news. Get a life. »/forum/news,67···14406108
Reminder: We were talking about Apple being greedy, and as such we need to consider yesterday's news.
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| said by Combat Chuck :said by Cod :What are you insinuating? Certainly not that Jobs is himself fairly greedy. **cough cough ipodanditsnonreplacablebattery cough cough** Except that after consumer demand, Apple started to offer a low cost battery replacement program. After consumer demand the RIAA and record labels have not really caved into anything, infact they sue their customers, something that Apple does much less.
If I had to pick one, I'd pick Apple.
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by joako :After consumer demand the RIAA and record labels have not really caved into anything, infact they sue their customers, something that Apple does much less. That's up for debate...
I personally like the recent lawsuits in which Apple started suing Mac fan sites for "leaking" information that Apple officers had no problems leaking to them. | |
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| said by joako :Except that after consumer demand, Apple started to offer a low cost battery replacement program. $99 +shipping to replace a $12 battery is low cost? Come on admit it! The reason the IPOD doesn't have an easily accessable battery door is so Apple could sell more IPods by making them disposable. They compromised when people started talking lawsuit; a compromise, I should add, that nets them a good $90 profit.
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| said by Combat Chuck :said by Cod :What are you insinuating? Certainly not that Jobs is himself fairly greedy. **cough cough ipodanditsnonreplacablebattery cough cough** Oh, and don't forget the $130 he wants about every 6 months for Operating System UPDATES.
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by Komputerguy :said by Combat Chuck :said by Cod :What are you insinuating? Certainly not that Jobs is himself fairly greedy. **cough cough ipodanditsnonreplacablebattery cough cough** Oh, and don't forget the $130 he wants about every 6 months for Operating System UPDATES. Do you have a clue on what your talking about? Ok, how about a link..
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| Re: Greedy music industry said by Juke Box :said by Komputerguy :said by Combat Chuck :said by Cod :What are you insinuating? Certainly not that Jobs is himself fairly greedy. **cough cough ipodanditsnonreplacablebattery cough cough** Oh, and don't forget the $130 he wants about every 6 months for Operating System UPDATES. Do you have a clue on what your talking about? Ok, how about a link.. Answer me these questions:
1. How much did Apple charge for each of the last 4 updates for OS X?
2. How often on average did these updates come out?
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| said by pike :Hmm.. the pot calling the kettle black? -Mike Yes, the question is will Jobs stick with his decision if the industry refuses to renew contracts with Itunes unless they raise rates. Itunes without music titles will go down the tubes. I hope Jobs wins, but he may have to give in if he wants Itunes to stay in business.
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Hamilton, ON | Problem is, when you factor in all the restriction of DRM'ed downloads, the consumer loses. Not that ITMS or the RIAA see any problem in that.
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clubs: | Re: Greedy music industry I buy my music on iTunes and then use p2p applications to acquire NON DRM'd files.
I have 3 different mp3 players.
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Dallas, TX | There's a simple answer for iTunes DRM: jHymn. I've
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Mesquite, TX | Re: Greedy music industry That's what we call transcoding. AAC --> mp3 introduces 2 generations of lossy encoding artifacts. No thanks...and no thanks to Itunes. | |
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Deridder, LA | Re: Greedy music industry Just remember most people think that 128 bitrate is good enough.
For those people Jhymn is good.
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| The goose that laid the golden egg For the RIAA, iTunes is pretty much the goose that laid the golden egg. They don't need to invest anything into it. (Apple does that.) All they do is sit back and collect the profits. But, once they spy a golden egg-laying goose, the RIAA apparently has decided to strangle the it in an attempt to squeeze out more golden eggs. 
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| Jobs is right! Common, when people see 99 cents they think cheap its less then a dollar. When they see $1.50 they think expensive and will not buy it, they will use p2p and get it for free. Haven't any of the RIAA executives taken psychology or they have no common sense and only GREED. | |
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| Wellll.... Jobs, along with others, think that iTunes is a huge part of what is fueling the iPod craze... You up prices on iTunes titles, fewer folks are likely to buy a new iPod (which is, imho, a falsehood) Jobs does not want to do ANYTHING to risk iPod popularity. There is basically NO money made by Apple or the artists from the iTunes fees, the vast majority goes to the record company. It is in no ones best interest (except for the record companies) to up the fees.
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| good 4 him smart guy. back when napster died out, everybody clammored for exactly what he accomplished. simple, $1 a song downloads for everybody. while it did take a bit of time for the pc version to emerge, it worked fine when it came out, and was just as simple as napster (minus the drm of course).
glad somebody did it. if he didn't, maybe it never would've happened. thing I don't get is, how can RealRhapsody/Yahoo music do their subscriptions so cheap compared to this, and STILL the industry wants more money???
Get some real a&r people to really find some worthwhile music and charge FAIR prices for it! Sell the album/artwork/maybe a bonus exclusive track on whatever service cheaper than the store cd, and you have more money right there than wasting everyone's time wanting to charge a buck fitty a song!
FOUL move on their part. as if people aren't already mad about the misplaced suits, the wasted profits, the cd prices (weren't those things supposed to be CHEAPER eventually??????), the JUNK "music" that's so over-rated (forced upon us) it makes me wish I could vomit at will.
I hope he sticks to his plan. Glad itunes exists even though I've only ever bought 1 song from them.
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smart guy. back when napster died out, everybody clammored for exactly what he accomplished. simple, $1 a song downloads for everybody. while it did take a bit of time for the pc version to emerge, it worked fine when it came out, and was just as simple as napster (minus the drm of course).
Sure, I guess. So long as the music you listen to is pure and complete drek.
Don't be so silly though to compare Napster to iTunes. I could find stuff on Napster that I couldn't purchase legitimately if I even *wanted* to because it doesn't exist in any purchasable form anymore. I still have mp3's I got off Napster that are rare enoguh I may be the only one left with any copies -- physical or digital.
We're years and years later and still nobody has gotten the clue as to why Naspter was so popular -- you could literally find ANYTHING. Compare that to these music services where I couldn't possibly ever find a download for 75% of the actual physical CD's I own and... what exactly do these services have to offer me again?
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| Easy one on the "how can subscriptions be so cheap?" question:
The RIAA/MPAA *WANTS* subscription schemes. With iTunes, you actually own the license to your music not rent it, so you can burn it to a CD (still available as a feature on rental services but you have to pay per song for it)..
In many ways, the pricing scheme of itunes is something the RIAA doesn't like, first off it's non-discriminatory, all songs are 99 cents before tax, no matter what. Sure, that means short songs are "more expensive" than long songs, but everything's equal, there's no favorites being played, no "charging more for premium songs", etc -- whether it's someone at #1 on the charts or #945725, it'll cost $1...
The RIAA doesn't like that, they want the oldbies to be expensive because they're "classics", the newbies to be expensive because they're "Pop", and they want to be able to tell you what's hot and what isn't (in essence, what they want to push on you and what they'd rather not see) -- plus the playing field is level between them and independent artists, if not slightly skewed for independent houses' favor because it's pretty easy for them to publish songs and there's nothing keeping them from becoming just as well sold.
Think of the recent legal mess with radio stations and RIAA payola -- it was illegal, but somehow managed to get shoehorned in, the stations got a lot of extra money. ...
Anyway, back to the money -- subscription schemes are awesome for the record industry! It requires a really clunky system, stops working if you stop paying the monthly bill (all the songs, even those put on your "PlaysForSure" player because those "expire" after 30 days of not being synced..
This means if you move from one store to another, all your songs are gone -- or if tech changes, or a store goes out of business, or if you go broke.
The one thing that remains to be seen, is if you can sell your itunes stuff to someone else, I think that's already been tested, I dunno for sure.
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