Fios TV Pricing, Channel DetailsKeller: 2 month free trial before broader deployment ( old news - 10:03AM Friday Sep 09 2005) tags: Video · telcoVerizon is launching their coax-fiber Fios TV in Keller, Texas, the first location to get Fios service last fall. The company has released both a channel lineup and a price-guide for their television service. Residents of Keller are being told that they can now sign up for a 2 month free trial; the final effort to work out kinks before broader deployment begins later this year. Some of the prices at a glance (obviously subject to change per market): •Basic 15–35 channels: $12.95•Digital Service, 160 channels (+basic package): $39.95• "La Connexion" Digital service, 115 channels (+basic package): $32.95 The company is also offering additional add-on packages:•Sports Package (15 channels): $5.95•Movie Package (26 channels): $11.95• Sports/Movie combo (41 channels): $14.95•Spanish language package (26 channels): $11.95•HD Package: $9.95 On Demand new release films will be offered for $3.95, while library titles will be available for $2.95. While their channel pricing is great, some of their other installation costs leave a little something to be desired when compared to satellite or cable. While Verizon claims they'll charge users nothing to disconnect FiosTV entirely, they'll charge you $50 (plus $5 per set-top box) if you decide to downgrade from digital to analog. They also note you'll be charged $24.95 to have a set-top box disconnected (+$5 per box). You can sign up via the Fios TV website to be notified when the service is available in your area. Keep your eye on this thread in our Fios forum for additional information from locals, and first impressions of the service.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by LiamJunket  :Faster internet but same prices for cable TV I'll STILL take it!:D | |
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join:2005-05-24 | Really? I thought their prices were pretty good. 160 all-digital channels for under $40? I can't get that with Adelphia, that's for sure! | |
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by cwoody222 :Really? I thought their prices were pretty good. 160 all-digital channels for under $40? I can't get that with Adelphia, that's for sure! I just did a quick comparison with my cable TV bill and it would cost $102.75 to have pretty much the same channels and packages and set top boxes as what I am paying Comcast $122.92 for. Fairly close considering Verizon is just rolling out this service and hasn't yet gotten into the twice a year increases that cable companies are used to doing.
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clubs: | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV $20 is still savings. It'll cover the cost of my 500 min plan for Vonage. | |
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| One think to keep in mind with FIOS, is that you are REQUIRED to use them for phone service also. Where Cable companies you do not have to use the. For Example, Cox Cable does not require you to purchase Thier phone package if you get Thier High Speed Internet or Cable.
With FIOS, you have to use Thier phone for Cable or Internet. No ifs, ands, or Buts..
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV That's news to me. I've been on FIOS in Rowlett, Texas, since Feb 2005. At the time, I was using Comcast digital phone service and was never even asked to switch to Verizon phone service when I requested their FIOS Internet service. Still haven't been, and still on Comcast phone. | |
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Plano, TX | I have FIOS Internet but I do not have Verizon telephone, I use Vonage, so much for your 2 cents | |
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Grand Prairie, TX | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV that is correct - each service can be purchased separately. | |
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Graham, NC | "THIER"??? LOL
"think" ??? LOL | |
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Huntington Beach, CA | your actually wrong. When I signed up for FIOS I did not have Verizon phone service and I don't have it now, I have Vonage, it is sweet! | |
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clubs: | Prices of cable TV? FIOS "La Connexion" 115 Channel Digital Package: $32.95. Comcast Analog package of about 70 channels: 45-50. I could have digital cable with HD for the price of analog with comcast.
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Flower Mound, TX | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV La Connexion is the spanash package.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV Oh.  Well my point still applies to the 39.95 package, and puedo hablar un poco espanol 
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G_Poobah
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| Which goes to show you once again that it's greed, not what the customer wants driving the change.
This is FIOS. There is now officially ZERO technical reason they could not sell you a single channel at a time. ZERO reason at all. It's digital, it's not even SENT over the wire unless it's ordered. There's no chance of 'theft of service', etc. So what's their justification for forcing someone who wants to see the Discovery Channel having to buy ESPN2? Greed, plain and simple.
Though I generally despise the government, I would love to see the companies put in front of the nation, and be forced to defend their practices. They no longer have any technical reason to say they can't provide ala-carte pricing/packaging. They are providing 15 channels for 12.95. Why can't I choose the 15 channels I want for 15.95? Really, even with 160+ channels, there have been tons of studies that show people only watch 15-20 channels. The only reason they bundle them all is simply greed.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by G_Poobah :Which goes to show you once again that it's greed, not what the customer wants driving the change. This is FIOS. There is now officially ZERO technical reason they could not sell you a single channel at a time. ZERO reason at all. It's digital, it's not even SENT over the wire unless it's ordered. There's no chance of 'theft of service', etc. So what's their justification for forcing someone who wants to see the Discovery Channel having to buy ESPN2? Greed, plain and simple. Though I generally despise the government, I would love to see the companies put in front of the nation, and be forced to defend their practices. They no longer have any technical reason to say they can't provide ala-carte pricing/packaging. They are providing 15 channels for 12.95. Why can't I choose the 15 channels I want for 15.95? Really, even with 160+ channels, there have been tons of studies that show people only watch 15-20 channels. The only reason they bundle them all is simply greed. The tv portion is NOT IPTV. It is always present. The PPV is like IPTV and on demand.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV umm, not IPTV? I'd be very very interested to know how you can send an analog signal over fiber.
Yes, it IS IPTV all the way (IGMP to be specific). There's no 'analog' signal on fiber. Video on Demand is RTSP or some proprietary cisco crap. In fact, if you want analog, they have to install a DAC converter in your house. FIOS TV is a multicast IGMP signal, and the headend box is configured to decode the appropriate signals to display on your TV, depending on your group membership. Channel selection is ALL configured at the central site, which broadcasts the keys for your personal box so you can decode a channel. Again, ZERO technical reason you can't belong to a single channel group.
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1 edit | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV It's called CATV HFC Emulation. They use a wavelength of fiber and dedicate it to the TV section, and from there simply transform it from Fiber to Coax.
»FiOS CAPEX, why not IPTV, VoIP, Data and No ONT
Any respectable cable co in 2005 uses fiber in some part of their backhaul, all verizon is doing is bringing that backhaul to your doorstep  | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV It's not greed. It's called economics.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV Damn, beat me to it...:)
wmcbrine is spot on about the experience being mis-leading..I jumped to the same conclusion when I heard FTTP was coming my direction. Good reading re: FTTP / VPON / IPTV
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Flower Mound, TX | Still the "Analog" portion is about 20 channels.. anything more and you require a STB.
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wmcbrine
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| said by G_Poobah :umm, not IPTV? I'd be very very interested to know how you can send an analog signal over fiber. The same way as you send any other signal. There's nothing intrinsically digital about fiber. It's just modulated light in place of modulated electricity.
Experience is misleading in this case, since everything light-based that the average person has encountered has been digital -- CDs, DVDs, optical digital audio, sometimes networking. But it doesn't have to be that way. Recall the analog video of the original 12" laser discs.
And even if it were digital, that wouldn't necessarily imply IPTV, either. Digital Cable and OTA ATSC are digital, but not IP-based. | |
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Melrose, MA | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV cable companies don't DWDM their forward plant signal. The only reason they would is if they had two cable plants. One for the 1490 lambda and one for the 1550 lambda. It would be useless to DWDM a fiber when it is destined for one coaxial cable. | |
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| said by G_Poobah :umm, not IPTV? I'd be very very interested to know how you can send an analog signal over fiber. Yes, it IS IPTV all the way (IGMP to be specific). There's no 'analog' signal on fiber. Video on Demand is RTSP or some proprietary cisco crap. In fact, if you want analog, they have to install a DAC converter in your house. FIOS TV is a multicast IGMP signal, and the headend box is configured to decode the appropriate signals to display on your TV, depending on your group membership. Channel selection is ALL configured at the central site, which broadcasts the keys for your personal box so you can decode a channel. Again, ZERO technical reason you can't belong to a single channel group. Well I guess the above posts may have had you change your mind. I have done contract work for verizon and your idea's are not how they are doing it. But it was really fun to see ya shot down so quickly and proven wrong with out me even having to be present.
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| said by G_Poobah : Again, ZERO technical reason you can't belong to a single channel group. And again you still miss the point! Delivering single channels has NOTHING to do with the technology. Cable companies have been able to do this for at least 15 years now. Where have you been?
Delivering singles channels can be done with anything from Analog cable to digital cable. In analog, they have to scramble basic and deploy settops. The box drivers can be sent channel and service masks that authorize single channels.
Same can be done with the digital cable too. As long as a system is addressable, it can be done. The reason it's NOT done is because it's not financially feasable to deliver service to the masses on an ala carte basis. Those choosing single channels wanting a couple of channels would be wind up paying the same rate as basic cable at about $3.00 or so per channel. And, it would cause the basic and digital tiers to increase as well for loss of viewship and advertising revenue.
It's obvious you have some degree of insight into technical jargon - don't know if you are just quoting stuff you have read or if you have some level of first hand knowledge, but it's obvious you don't take in the whole world of television which is important if you want to justify your point. | |
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Melrose, MA | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV have you ever written a check to a programming provider for a viewership of 1.6 million? Try figuring out how much you need to pay the food network and then discovery channel x only those customers who subscribe. Not just an addressability thing. | |
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| dude, you're making me sick. You obviously no squat about TeleVision Recieve Only, A-Synchronous Serial Interface, Multi Program Transport Streams, Motion Picture Experts Group Version 2 Numbers, Digital Multiplexors, Gigabit Ethernet Interfaces, Small Form Factor Pluggables, Cisco, Small Form Factor Pluggables, Smartstream Encryption Modulators, Digital Encryption Standard, Two Hundred Fifty six Quadrature Amplitude Modulation, Dense Wave Division Multiplexing,Fiber Optic Transport Mediums, Optical Network Terminals. Do you have a "duh" key on your keyboard? Or maybe an "anykey" to continue what you were doing before you started posting your uninformed knowledge? Spend your time elsewhere like a lemonade stand, you'd be seeing more people who are at the knowledge level you are obviously showing.
P.S. you're welcome for the class on acronyms
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Jackson, MS | I feel your pain G_Poobah...
I didn't need rear seats in the last car that I purchased, but they still charged me for them.
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| Of course their motivation is greed...They are a company that solely exists to make money for their shareholders...The only good to come of putting them in front of the nation to 'defend their practices' would be the Econ101 class they would give us all. | |
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by jasonj758 :Of course their motivation is greed...They are a company that solely exists to make money for their shareholders You do know that this is a mainly American point of view? That elsewhere in the world companies have other obligations too besides being greedy? | |
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by reflex9 :said by jasonj758 :Of course their motivation is greed...They are a company that solely exists to make money for their shareholders You do know that this is a mainly American point of view? That elsewhere in the world companies have other obligations too besides being greedy? HA HA HA HA!!! You are out of touch with reality. All the corporations in the world(at least the 1st world in EU, Russia, Asia) act the same way.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV Exactly. Because the broadcast companies know that regular people would probably never elect (at a cost-per-channel basis) to have some of their smaller, targeted channels like ABC Family, for example.
However, if a person just automatically gets that channel pumped into their home they may happen to watch some shows.
It's not all the cable providers' fault. | |
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ninety-seven
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| You haven't got a clue have you?
If everyone could eliminate the chanels they didn't want and save money then they would. This means that the prices would eventually go up for all, or at least most, of the channels. Reason: The channel provider would all of a sudden see less money coming in and would be forced to either go out of business or raise their rates.
Clearly selling SOME channels individually or in small groups makes sense, but that practice would not work over the majority of the channels that are offered.
And when you think about it, you should be glad it doesn't. | |
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| said by G_Poobah :Which goes to show you once again that it's greed, not what the customer wants driving the change. This is FIOS. There is now officially ZERO technical reason they could not sell you a single channel at a time. ZERO reason at all. It's digital, it's not even SENT over the wire unless it's ordered. There's no chance of 'theft of service', etc. So what's their justification for forcing someone who wants to see the Discovery Channel having to buy ESPN2? Greed, plain and simple. Cable, satellite, etc providers have long had the technical capacity to offer a la carte pricing for individual channels. However they don't have the legal right to do so. The owners of the networks, be it Viacom, Time Warner, etc bundle the packages together as a group. Your provider doesn't pay $.10 for Comedy Central, $.25 for USA, etc, they pay $1 to Viacom (or whoever owns those channels). Sure Dish or Comcast could insist in individual pricing, but that would cause many less popular channels price to skyrocket because they would no longer have enough subscribers to cover the costs of the channels. Face it, you will be stuck with bundled channels as long as content providers own multiple channels. Realize that you are going to have to pay for channels that you may not be interested in. The sooner you realize it, the sooner you can get over it.
And all the channels, with the exception of the VOD channels, are sent across the line all the time. It's not an IPTV system where the channel is only transmitted if you are watching it.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV Maybe poo needs to throw up the old c-band satellite and do individule agreements with the channels he wants. Then he can have it his way. | |
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1 edit | Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV ... It worked. Mod note: No it didn't.
»www.microsoft.com/tv/content/Pre···_05.mspx
They come forward and say they are using the motorola boxes for IP-TV. This is the exact same box that SBC is using for their IP-TV initiative.
Now, for the naysaying loudmouths. Sure, at face value you can say they are 'just testing IP-TV'. But, umm, aren't they also advertising that you can record SIX (6) channels at once. I'd be VERY interested to see a box that has SIX (6) digital decoders installed at once. I mean, that would be quite a powerful and amazing box to decode SIX (6) channels at once. Umm, unless of course you used IPTV, which are tunerless, and can have many streams sent to it at once. Maybe I'm missing something, but, umm, 6 decoders are once? And you have one in every room in your house? Hmm.. that would be ... interesting to see.
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One of the FREE studies (most of them are pay, like the gartner one, but they all show about the same thing), shows that the average multi-channel viewer still only watches between eight and 10 channels for more than 15 minutes in an average week –typically this includes at least four of the five networks and about four or five niche channels.
»www.bbc.co.uk/consult/pdfs/dcms_···pact.pdf
Does that sound like you? Hmm.. sounds like me.. Most channels I just surf right by, maybe watch a minute or two, but 90% of my viewing is on a very small range of channels. Of course, I never watch anything live, everything is replaytv or mythtv or downloaded divx.
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by G_Poobah :But, umm, aren't they also advertising that you can record SIX (6) channels at once. I'd be VERY interested to see a box that has SIX (6) digital decoders installed at once. "Record" does not mean "decode". You can very easily record six digital streams at once without decoding any of them; you only have to decode one stream at a time, on playback. Again, nothing to do with IPTV.
DirecTV is planning a six-tuner DVR, also. No IPTV there. | |
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Melrose, MA | can you say VOD over IP? Select what you want, when you want it...sounds like VOD to me. And multiples...hmmm I have two browsers open right now. | |
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Melrose, MA | oh yeah...I forgot to mention that thing called CAS, but you probably thought that meant condition access system - WRONG, and it works well with IP. | |
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| said by G_Poobah :Though I generally despise the government, I would love to see the companies put in front of the nation, and be forced to defend their practices. They pretty much already have, many years ago. This is a big part of the reason why anyone not in a cable-competitive market have the option to buy a basic tier which, while it doesn't have all the bells and whistles, does provide a good selection of over-air channels, public access and a handful of cable channels for basically cost. No, you won't get ESPN but there's a reason that cable companies never advertise this - they make no money on it!
said by G_Poobah : Really, even with 160+ channels, there have been tons of studies that show people only watch 15-20 channels. Do you have links to these studies? I know there have been some studies but am not familiar with the specifics.
said by G_Poobah : The only reason they bundle them all is simply greed. Nope, the only reason they bundle them is because they can. I guarantee you that if enough people refused to buy the packages the cable companies were offering, cable and satellite companies would be very quick, I think, to offer ala carte programming, or reduce their rates. However, since people will complain about it, and then buy it anyway, they have no reason to change their pricing policies. | |
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| You obviously have never operated an addressable controller before. Get a clue bud. Yeah you can do al-la-carte with every channel but then the number of services would bog the addressable controller down to a crippling halt and you'd have a useless controller system. Aside from that the billing addressability issues you'd be faced with would make any addressable engineer quit their job and work for Hannafords as a grocery bagger. It's not as simple and operationally manageable as you assume. Go take an addressable controller course at Moto and then repost your thoughts.
Dano
BTW have you ever heard of the words "Linear" or "VOD"? Linear is when the channel is sent all the time and VOD is when you request a video program on demand. To send a channel only when it is requested means you would have to realtime encode the program and make it available on demand - so much for the new years countdown or that winning goal by the Pats - you'll never be on time again in the VOD world - trust me, digital TV is linear...for now. | |
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1 edit | I'll disagree with your assessment. Their tv packages seem to be a less expensive than cable and satellite.
Fios Expanded basic- 39.95
DTV- Total Choice - 41.99
DISH- Top 60 - 31.99 - lineup sucks
Cable in Keller seems to be provided by Charter- BIG VALUE PACK - 52.99 | |
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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
| I think the movie package is a tremendous value -- $12 for all of Showtime, Starz, Encore and TMC. Much better than DirecTV (which was better than Comcast, at the time I left there). It's a shame that HBO held out.
But the (de)installation fees are obnoxious. I'm not too keen on the receiver rental, either. I don't see anything about CableCard... | |
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| Re: Faster internet but same prices for cable TV said by wmcbrine :I think the movie package is a tremendous value -- $12 for all of Showtime, Starz, Encore and TMC. Much better than DirecTV (which was better than Comcast, at the time I left there). It's a shame that HBO held out. Agreed. 45 or so movie channels, even if some of them are Encore "older" movies, is a great deal at 11.95. Showtime alone will run you that with most providers, let alone tossing in Starz and the Encore channels. I know I'm looking forward to getting the expanded package + the movie package later this year when FIOS eventually gets lit up in my area. It agonizing seeing the fiber just sitting in my back yard ready to be plugged into.
But the (de)installation fees are obnoxious. I'm not too keen on the receiver rental, either. So don't deinstall. At least that's what Verizon thinks.  Don't worry about the installation fees. You can count on them being discounted or waived for new installs. Dish and CATV companies all technically have install fees, but are perpetually running "specials" that either waive them or credit you back your first month's service.
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| said by LiamJunket :Well FIOS is bringing a very fast internet connection. But it is obvious that their prices for cable TV tiers are no better or worse than cable or satellite TV. Not surprising, because those rates are determined more by the content providers than by the companies delivering that content. My Web PageJoin Red Room Forum Who is your cable provider? as those are way cheaper then where I live. | |
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| Then keep cable TV for to reasons:
(1) getting TV through fios would be putting all eggs in the same basket: the next time you get a problem -- and there are many -- you would lose Internet AND Phone AND TV.
(2) As consumers we have to have some competition and how will Verizon be ever convinced to offer a la carte choices if we switch for the same price? | |
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Home
| Well... You can get Time Warner Cable to offer you their digital package plus HBO for $39.95, and they'll give you this price for a year, then put you back on regular rates.
Is that what Verizon is going to do? Get people to switch over to FIOS TV, put the 12 months in small print, and show everyone the real price in a year? | |
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@msu.edu | So many channels... Yeah, but look at the channel lineup. I can't think of a single channel they don't have, not even one. They have tons of channels that neither cable or sat have, AND it's cheaper. | |
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Jackson, MS | Re: So many channels... How do the service call prices compare?
They look rather high to me.
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Keller, TX
| HD is part of Expanded basic and above. A little correction, the HD channels are part of the Expanded basic, not an add-on package.
An HD capable set top box is $9.95, or $12.95 for the HD-DVR.
And don't forget the bundle discount that knocks $5 off the price for qualified bundles. | |
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| Re: Same old Verizon How can you have a monoploy when there are alternatives? I think every area that has FIOS (and for at least the somewhat distant future that will get FIOS) has a cable TV provider as competition and all areas obviously can have Dish and DirectTV as competition. Verizon may have a POTS monopoly in an area, but not on video.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard. | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
| Wow lots of bandwidth. Looking at their lineup theres tons of bandwidth thats for sure. If they are emulating an 870Mhz HFC cable plant, and they only have 23 Analog channels, the remaining 112 channels can be 256QAM modulated for a total bandwidth of 4346.60 Mbps! Thats 226 possible 19.2 Mbps HD Video streams, or 1120 3.88 Mbps SD Video streams!! They can even use higher bandwidth SD video to minimize compression artifacts and enhance picture quality with minimal loss. The techology platform is quite ready for the future. Even if they would carry 40 HD Streams at 19.2Mbps a channel, theres room left over for 745 SD Video streams at 4.8 Mbps per channel. Thats awesome. | |
| | Danobegood
join:2004-11-30
Melrose, MA
| Re: Wow lots of bandwidth. Thank you for existing. Finally, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU KUDOS TO YOU | |
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priceyforfibervideo
@verizon.n
| still pricey I think that's still VERY pricy.. when you consider 'established' companies such as the local cable monopolies, satellite tv companies already have similar pricing for service... some of the 'administrative fees' seem very steep. Another thing is Verizon is using PROPRIETARY set-top equipment ONLY usable on that network.. and Verizon tv isn't everywhere yet, much less to say fiber. I doubt they'll get alot of people with those prices.. its not 15/2 for $44.95, its over-priced tv.
Satellite has about the same service for about the same price and no real 'admin fees' although they tried doing that to the consumer and directv lost lots of customers to dish network over that fiasco.
We've yet to see that 'sweet deal' for bundled customers?
is it going to be 25% off, 40% off, 50% off these already skys the limit pricing??
$5-15 price cut per month isn't gonna cut it.. too many options on the table for many people, more if you live in a muni deployment on top of that.
I'm sorry, they could have done some other 'innovative' things like 'music on demand' over the set-top box also.. and DVR's are an 'upgrade' costing you $550 if you 'lose' it?? Way too steep.. the pent-up demand to get away from cable monopolies is all-but over since you have 2 satellite providers that bridged the gap between the old big-ugly-dish and the hardware to your pocket-book...
The only way to fix those plans without a sweet deal is unbundling the channel line-up.. letting you pick and choose what channels a-la-carte. in packages. I was expecting something more aggressive of a rollout.. but it looks like we'll have to wait for such a thing. | |
| | pyrrhusmj4
join:2004-11-11
Keller, TX
| Re: still pricey Why are people getting so lost in the admin fees? Who has read their FIOS contract and seen all of the fees that could of been charged for installation alone? How many people were actually charged? Comeon, you have to post rates for many reasons, some of which are legal and most of which are regulatory.
Pyrrhus | |
| chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | Disappointed with the HD programing and cost I was expecting something more from their HD programing both in cost and channels. Not convince yet as for their TV services. | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
|  No thanks....
The only thing VZ needs to be doing right now is worrying about getting the fiber in the ground or on the poles, and especially to ME!
Video, scmideo... Don't care. I have DBS and I am not switching, pricing and offerings not even close for me.
JUST GET the FIOS Data to me! 5/2 for $50/month I am all over it! I've got 3, probably FOUR residences that are just waiting to have this service and dump cable, ISDN and/or dialup.
If they want to offer video in the LONG TERM great, go for it, but lets worry about the important stuff first.
1) Fiber, INSTALL IT ALREADY! You need a trench, NOOOO PROBLEM! RRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH ZAAAAAAAAAAP! One trench, without regard to any thing in the way! A nice open trench would give me a way to have some REAL electric company choice. I happen to be in an area where 2 DIFFERENT power company lines run, and a back room deal decided who got screwed by who. I could run my own line to a real power company versus the local hick "co-op."
2) Data
Anything else can WAIT, for now.
NOTE: I am 10000000% FOR/PRO competition in cable/video and phone and data. Once VZ puts the fiber network in they can worry about offering "extras" like video. I see fights coming from the cable side especially if they have to go back to every area and get a franchise agreement for video. In my old area of PA that would be 63 franchise agreements for one county alone. Another 100+ in the next county etc.. Ship it get the fiber in the ground and data going then tackle the video.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: No thanks.... In all likelyhood the video portion takes away relatively little resources from the laying of new fiber, both in terms of money as well as manpower. With or without video services, fiber likely would come to you at about the same pace. Actually, it's possible video could accelerate the process as costs may be recouped slightly faster.
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"What gives them the right to come in and do this?" she said. - Lady complaining that she was getting FIOS in her backyard. | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Re: No thanks.... said by cdru :
In all likelyhood the video portion takes away relatively little resources from the laying of new fiber, both in terms of money as well as manpower. With or without video services, fiber likely would come to you at about the same pace.
VZ deploymnet is basically NOT QUICK ENOUGH and any thing that may even be the slighest delay to it getting to me is a problem. Any resources that could be used to get more fiber installed to me or my area or any other needs to be put to INSTALLATION of fiber over some waste of space video service.
said by cdru :
Actually, it's possible video could accelerate the process as costs may be recouped slightly faster.
Thats tired old ancient business class thinking. This "triple play" nonsense needs to stop and die. I AM NOT INTERESTED. I have made my choice for video, and voice. Voice service actually is about to get totally dropped here pretty soon as I don't use or need it.
Video will CAUSE SERIOUS DELAYS in areas where they need to get a franchise agreement. Even in areas where its one governement entity per county or maybe a few more. There are already rumblings that BH/TW in my area may go to court to stop ALL INSTALLATION of fiber. Their tactic..FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. If VZ sticks to installing fiber to replace their voice & data services BH/TW can only attack because of the issue of the various damages to lines etc.. BH/TW is going to do anything it can to slow down competition to their video services and to the near lock on data services they have in my area. Franchise agreements for video could be a hitch to STOP INSTALLATION IN MY AREA.
So ditch the video, and then OOOPS! We can do video too and fight it out in court AFTER ITS INSTALLED over the VIDEO.
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| | | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: No thanks.... Just because you may not want it, doesn't mean those that do and tout it as being good should "die".
Triple play is another option for the consumer. I for one would enjoy one bill for my wireless, landline, long distance, video, and internet along with the discounts I receive if the services are comparable to having them separate. I currently pay Charter $72 a month for their crap service (HD and DVR with expanded Digital) and SBC $122 for my basic wireless, feature full landline, DSL (3mb/600kb), and long distance (60 mins). Certainly when the time comes triple play will probably reduce that bill to around $100 instead of $200. | |
| | | | pyrrhusmj4
join:2004-11-11
Keller, TX
| VZ deploymnet is basically NOT QUICK ENOUGH and any thing that may even be the slightest delay to it getting to me is a problem. Any resources that could be used to get more fiber installed to me or my area or any other needs to be put to INSTALLATION of fiber over some waste of space video service.
2 Completely different companies within Verizon dealing with each issue. Video services are in no way slowing down fiber deployment. In fact if anything other services are hurting while Verizon redirects corporate assets to laying fiber. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Because files move...and may not be archived Because files always have a tendency to get moved and links broken, here is a text version of the Keller lineup and pricing:
Basic
2 Daystar — KDTN-TV 2
3 KLDT-TV 55
4 FOX — KDFW-TV 4
5 NBC — KXAS-TV 5
6 Superstation — WGN-TV 9
7 KDFI-TV 27
8 ABC — WFAA-TV 8
9 WB — KDAF-TV 33
10 Telemundo — KXTX-TV 39
11 CBS — KTVT-TV 11
13 PBS — KERA-TV 13
14 KFWD-TV 52
17 TBN — KDTX-TV 58
20 Telefutura — KSTR-TV 49
21 UPN — KTXA-TV 21
23 Univision — KUVN-TV 23
26 PAX — KPXD-TV 68
29 KMPX-TV 29
30 Local Education
31 Local Government
32 Local Education
47 TV Guide
49 Weatherscan Local
Expanded Basic
Entertainment
50 USA Network
51 TNT
52 TBS
53 FX
54 Spike TV
Sports
60 ESPN
61 ESPN Classic
62 ESPNews
63 ESPNU
64 ESPN 2
65 Fox Sports Net — Southwest
68 Speed Channel
News
70 CNN
71 CNN Headline News
72 Fox News
73 CNBC
74 MSNBC
75 Bloomberg TV
76 CNN International
77 CNBC World
78 ABC News Now
79 C-SPAN
80 C-SPAN 2
81 C-SPAN 3
89 The Weather Channel
Information
90 Discovery
91 National Geographic
92 Science Channel
93 Discovery Times
94 Pentagon Channel
95 Military Channel
96 Military History Channel
97 History Channel International
98 History Channel
99 Biography
100 Animal Planet
101 The Learning Channel
Women
110 Lifetime
111 Lifetime Movie Network
112 Lifetime Real Women
113 SoapNet
114 Oxygen
115 WE:Women’s Entertainment
Shopping
120 QVC
121 HSN
122 Shop at Home
123 America’s Store
125 Jewelry
126 EXPO
127 Shop NBC
Home and Leisure
130 Style
131 Discovery Health
132 Wisdom
133 Fit TV
134 Food Network
135 Home & Garden Television (HGTV)
136 Fine Living
137 DIY (Do It Yourself)
138 Discovery Home
139 Wealth TV
140 Travel Channel
Pop Culture
150 Sci-Fi Channel
151 A&E
152 Crime & Investigation Network
153 Court TV
154 GSN
155 Bravo
156 TRIO
157 Logo
158 Ovation
159 BBC America
160 Comedy Central
161 E! Entertainment Television
162 ABC Family
Music
170 MTV
171 MTV2
173 MTV Jams
174 MTV Hits
175 VH1
176 VH1 Classics
177 VH1 Soul
179 BET Jazz
180 CMT
181 VH1 Country
182 Great American Country
183 Gospel Music Channel
184 Soundtrack Channel
Movies
190 Turner Classic Movies
191 AMC
192 Fox Movie Channel
Family
200 Hallmark Channel
202 Family Net
203 AmericanLife TV
204 TV Land
Children
210 Disney
211 Toon Disney
212 Nickelodeon
213 Nick Too
214 Nick Toons
215 GAS
216 Noggin
217 Cartoon
218 Boomerang
219 Discovery Kids
People and Cluture
230 BET
231 TV One
232 Black Family Channel
234 Galavisión
235 Mun2
236 Sí TV
237 AZN Television
Religion
240 EWTN
241 INSP
242 I-Life
243 Church
244 JCTV
Information
411 Verizon Information
Sports Package
300 Fox College Sports — Atlantic
301 Fox College Sports — Central
302 Fox College Sports — Pacific
303 Tennis Channel
304 NFL Network
305 Fuel
307 Outdoor Channel
308 The Sportsman Channel
312 Fox Soccer Channel
313 GolTV
315 TVG (Horse Racing)
316 Horse Racing TV
318 Mav TV
319 Blackbelt TV
320 G4
Movie Package
340 Starz!
341 Starz! West
342 Starz! Edge
343 Starz! Edge West
344 Starz! in Black
345 Starz! Kids & Family
346 Starz! Cinema
347 Starz! Comedy
348 Encore
349 Encore West
350 Encore Love
351 Encore Love West
352 Encore Westerns
353 Encore Westerns West
354 Encore Mystery
355 Encore Mystery West Movies
356 Encore Drama
357 Encore Drama West
358 Encore Action
359 Encore Action West
360 Encore WAM!
361 Showtime
362 Showtime West
363 Showtime Showcase
364 Showtime Showcase West
365 Showtime Too
366 Showtime Too West
367 Showtime Beyond
368 Showtime Beyond West
369 Showtime Extreme
370 Showtime Extreme West
371 Showtime Women
372 Showtime Women West
373 Showtime Next
374 Showtime Next West
375 Showtime Family Zone
376 Showtime Family Zone West
377 The Movie Channel
378 The Movie Channel West
379 The Movie Channel Xtra
380 The Movie Channel Xtra West
381 Flix
382 Flix West
383 Independent Film Channel
384 Sundance
Premium Channels
HBO
400 HBO
401 HBO West
402 HBO 2
403 HBO 2 West
404 HBO Signature
405 HBO Signature West
406 HBO Family
407 HBO Family West
408 HBO Comedy
409 HBO Comedy West
410 HBO Zone
412 HBO Zone West
413 HBO Latino
414 HBO Latino West
Cinemax
415 Cinemax
416 Cinemax West
417 More Max
418 More Max West
419 Action Max
420 Action Max West
421 Thriller Max
422 Thriller Max West
423 Women’s Max
424 At Max
425 Five Star Max
426 OuterMax
Other Premium Channels
430 Playboy TV
431 Playboy TV en Español
Spanish Language Package
En Español
440 Galavisión
442 ESPN Deportes
443 Fox Sports World Español
444 GolTV
446 CNN en Español
447 Canal SUR
448 TVE Internacional
452 History Español
453 Discovery en Español
455 Utilísima
456 Infinito
457 MTV Español
458 VH Uno
459 Telehit
462 De Película
463 De Película Clásico
464 Cine Latino
465 Cine Mexicano
468 La Familia
469 TV Chile
470 TV Colombia
472 Sorpresa
473 Toon Disney Español
474 Boomerang (ESP)
477 TBN Enlace
478 EWTN Español
International Premiums
480 SBTN (Vietnamese)
481 CCTV-4 (Mandarin Chinese)
482 CTI — Zhong Tian Channel (Chinese)
483 TV Japan
484 MBC (Korean)
485 The Filipino Channel
486 TV Asia
487 ART (Arabic)
488 RAI (Italian)
489 TV 5 (French)
490 TVP Polonia (Polish)
491 Rang A Rang (Farsi)
492 NITV (Farsi)
496 RTN Russian
497 Channel 1 Russian
La Conexión
Entertainment
500 USA Network
501 TNT
502 TBS
503 Galavisión
504 FX
505 Spike TV
Sports
508 ESPN
509 ESPN 2
510 Fox Sports Net — Southwest
513 Fox Sports World Español
514 Fox Soccer Channel
515 ESPN Deportes
516 GolTV
News
518 CNN en Español
519 CNN
520 CNN Headline News News
521 Fox News
522 CNBC
523 MSNBC
524 C-SPAN
525 Canal Sur
Information
529 TVE Internacional
530 History Español
531 Discovery
532 Discovery en Español
534 Animal Planet
535 TLC
Women
537 Lifetime
538 Lifetime Movie Network
Shopping
540 QVC
541 HSN
542 Shop at Home
543 Shop NBC
Home and Leisure
545 Discovery Health
546 Utilísima
549 Infinito
550 Food Network
551 Home & Garden
Television (HGTV)
552 Travel Channel
Pop Culture
555 E! Entertainment Television
556 A&E
557 Sí TV
558 Mun2
559 Comedy Central
560 Sci-Fi Channel
Music
562 MTV Español
563 MTV2
564 Telehit
565 VH Uno
566 CMT
Movies
569 De Película
570 De Película Clásico
571 Cine Mexicano
572 Cine Latino
Family
574 ABC Family
575 La Familia
576 TV Chile
577 TV Colombia
578 TV Land
Children
580 Nickelodeon
581 Disney
582 Toon Disney (ESP)
583 Boomerang (ESP)
584 Cartoon (ESP)
585 Sorpresa
Religion
588 TBN Enlace
589 EWTN Español
Digital Music Package
Digital Music
600 Showcase
601 Today’s Country
602 Classic Country
603 Bluegrass
604 R&B and Hip-Hop
605 Classic R&B
606 Smooth R&B
607 R&B Hits
608 Rap
609 Metal
610 Rock
611 Arena Rock
612 Classic Rock
613 Alternative
614 Retro-Active
615 Electronica
616 Dance
617 Adult Alternative
618 Soft Rock
619 Hit List
620 Party Favorites
621 90s
622 80s
623 70s
624 Solid Gold Oldies
625 Singers and Standards
626 Big Band & Swing
627 Easy Listening
628 Smooth Jazz
629 Jazz
630 Blues
631 Reggae
632 Soundscapes
633 Classical Masterpieces
634 Opera
635 Light Classical
636 Show Tunes
637 Contemporary Christian
638 Gospel
639 Radio Disney
640 Sounds of the Seasons
641 Musica Urbana
642 Salsa Merengue
643 Rock ’en Español
644 Pop Latino
645 Mexicana
646 Americana
PPV
Pay Per View
700 Movie/Event Preview
701 TVN Events
HDTV
HDTV Broadcast
801 ABC — WFAA 9
802 NBC — KXAS 41
803 CBS — KTVT 19
804 FOX — KDFW 35
805 PBS — KERA 14
806 UPN — KTXA 18
807 WB — KDAF 32
808 KDFI 36
HDTV National
810 TNT HDTV
811 ESPN HDTV
812 ESPN 2 HDTV
814 NFL Network HDTV
817 HD Net
818 HD Net Movies
819 Universal HDTV
820 Discovery HDTV
821 Wealth TV HD
HDTV Premium
830 HBO HDTV
831 Cinemax HDTV
832 Showtime HDTV
833 TMC HDTV
834 Starz! HDTV
Video On Demand
900 FREE on Demand
Sports
ESPN
ESPNU
ESPN Deportes
Fox Sports Español
Fox Soccer Channel
Speed Channel
Fuel
News
ABC News
CNN
Info & Education
Discovery
Discovery Times
Discovery Science
Military Channel
Animal Planet
TLC
Women
SoapNet
Shopping
ExpoTV
Home & Leisure
Discovery Health
Discovery Home
Travel Channel
Food Network
HGTV
DIY
Fine Living
Pop
A&E
Cartoon’s Adult Swim
Music
MUSIC Unlimited
Soundtrack Channel
Great American Country
Movies
Total Hollywood TV
Family
ABC Family
Kids
KIDS Unlimited
Disney
Toon Disney
Radio Disney
Jetix
Backyard
Mainstreet
PBS Kids
Scholastic
Boomerang
Cartoon
Discovery Kids
People & Culture
Black Family Channel
900 Movies on Demand
New Releases and Library
Action & Adventure
Comedy
Drama
Horror/Sci-Fi
Kids & Family
Musicals/Other
900 Movies On Demand
Ten
Hustler
900 Subscription on Demand
Sundance On Demand
Showtime On Demand
TMC On Demand
Starz! On Demand
Encore On Demand
HBO On Demand
Cinemax On Demand
900 Subscription Package
WWE On Demand
Service
Package/# of Channels/Cost
Basic/15–35/$12.95
Expanded Basic/160 + Basic/$39.95
La Conexión/115 + Basic/$32.95
Save $5 per month when qualifying voice or data services are bundled with Fios TV Digital Service.
Packages
Sports Package/15/$5.95
Movie Package/26/$11.95
Sports/Movie Package Combination/41/$14.95
Spanish Language Package/26/$11.95
Premium Channels
HBO/14/$14.95
Cinemax/12/$14.95
HBO/Cinemax Combination/26/$24.95
Playboy TV/1/$14.95
Playboy TV en Español/1/$14.95
International Premiums
International Premium Channels/15/Individually Priced
Video On Demand and Pay Per View
On Demand Movies
New Releases/$3.95
Library/$2.95
On Demand Subscriptions
WWE/$7.95/mo.
Per use
On Demand Adult/$11.95
PPV Movies/$3.95
PPV Events/Varies
PPV Sports/Varies
Set Top Box (STB) Monthly Price
Standard Definition $3.95
High Definition (includes HDTV channels) $9.95
Digital Video Recorder (includes HDTV channels) $12.95
Initial Installation One-Time Charges
Existing Outlet Hookup (up to 3) $50.00
Additional Outlet/Set Top Box Hookup (existing outlet) 19.95
New Outlet Installation (per outlet) $54.95
Outlet Relocation $54.95
Subsequent Installations/Charges One-Time Charges
Set Top Box Addition or Upgrade/Downgrade $24.95
Premises Visit $50.00
New Outlet Installation (per outlet) $54.95
Outlet Relocation (per outlet) $54.95
Setup of TV Equipment (new TV with existing STB) $50.00
Disconnect of Set Top Box8 $24.95 + $5.00/STB
Downgrade of Service from Digital to Analog $50.00 + $5.00/STB
Fios TV Service Disconnect No Charge
Fios TV Service Reconnect (up to 3 outlets)9 $50.00
Other Services and Charges One-Time Charges
Seasonal Service Suspension (charged at initiation, 2–6 months)10 $24.95
Replacement Remote $5.00 + S&H
Unreturned/Damaged Receiver — Standard Definition $240.00
Unreturned/Damaged Receiver — High Definition $350.00
Unreturned/Damaged Receiver — Digital Video Recorder (DVR) $550.00
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Because files move...and may not be archived I miss Voom HDs. Other than that it's perfect. I hope they'll get Voom onboard by the time I'll be able to order here. | |
| | peterl1365
join:2005-01-03
Murrieta, CA
| Only thing that I see missing is OLN. Not a biggie since the only reason I watched that channel was for their Tour de France coverage. This might be added later, as I understand some negotiations are still ongoing.
Also interesting is that PBS Kids is not in their channel lineup, but is available via Video On Demand. That works, I guess, but if you have small children that want to watch a particular show, then it might not be available. There's also something to be said for having a set time for that show (it establishes routines). | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Newtown, PA
| Economics I would love to see a Pay-per-channel.
$1/channel for packages
$2/channel for custom, minimum 10 channels and not forced to take 'others' (like the gambling channel, the shopping channel, ...)
But with revenues from advertising, this model won't work unless another form can be generated. That is why they mix and match- economics of marketing and advertising. Sports get far more dollars in revenues (look at the ads!) then say, The Discovery Channel.
There are times where I far more enjoy a documentary or science program (with the kids) than watching some $10million contract player drop a ball. | |
| | bhorow
join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| Re: Economics I guess you guys didn't see CSPAN a few months ago or something. The cable companies testified in front of congress that al la carte pricing would cost the average customer more. Than packaging, remember that would tie up the phone lines. Oh today I want ESPN and CNBC, but during the month of DEC i don't want ESPN and CNBC, think about all the silly things that would happen, and as soon as you want like 10 channels a la carte it would be crazy. Plus the cost of coding each channel 150 codes or more, into a billing system. And each channel costs different amounts. It's just ridiculous. ESPN is getting Monday night football, could you imagine if Every Monday night people said i wanted espn and then tuesday called up and said hey i don't want espn. THis would be a billing nightmare.
Plus competition is bringing the price down for cable.
Plus who here doesn't want package pricing. Most of us here have High speed internet. So who wouldn't want package pricing.
The thing that really stands out is the installation and disconnection charges that Verizon has, they are quite a bit more expensive that cable.
Also I haven't seen a channel lineup for Long Island it has to be different to include MSG and Fox Sport Nets so you can see local sport teams along with the YES network.
Also im not sure but isn't Verizon's DVR it will not skip commercials??? | |
| pigglywiggly
join:2003-01-29
Corning, NY | What is "coax-fiber"? "Verizon is launching their coax-fiber Fios TV in Keller, Texas"
What is "coax-fiber"? FioS is all fiber to the home, unless you mean the coax within the house? | |
| Sgtslaughtr
join:2005-08-29
Knox, IN | Gimme Gimme Gimme I want fios so bad, sprint is raping me right now by charging me $49.95 a month for 1500k when I could get mediacom cable at $55 for 3000k but I cannot get mediacom because my house is TOO FRIGGN FAR FROM THE DAMN ROAD AAAAAAAHHHHH! | |
| | jbc0706
join:2005-10-05
Williston, VT
| FiOS TV My biggest curiosity is how are they really going to sell this. All I have heard about is a trail of snail mail,local flyers. Are they going to have reps knocking on doors. Most call centers don't know about it. They set up the specialized fiber call centers and the others don't know much about it. | |
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