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join:2004-02-05
Kenosha, WI |  Awesome
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS | Re: Awesome BPL vs. FIOS!!!!  | |
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MattE
Obama '08
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC | Interesting I am served by Duke Power here in Greensboro, if I am offered this trial I will definitely check it out.
It must be going well if they are expanding their trial in Charlotte however. | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-07
Clinton, IN | Re: Interesting I am currently a Cinergy customer in Indiana. Cinergy is doing a trail in the Cincy , OH area. I hope that if the Cinergy Duke merger takes place that BPL will start to spread across the rest of the company's service area. | |
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| Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by MattE  :I am served by Duke Power here in Greensboro, if I am offered this trial I will definitely check it out. It must be going well if they are expanding their trial in Charlotte however. I am in Greensboro also but for me it would have to be comparable to BellSouth DSL or Time Warner cable in pricing and speeds for me to jump ship. | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | I cross my fingers I live in south carolina i hope Progress Energy is reading this. HINT HINT.. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | WHATTT I live in SC and serviced by Duke/CPW. This is interesting, even though I wouldent use it. Alast some competition. | |
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Trogdor9000
join:2005-07-12
Amelia, OH | Ciny BPL I live in Cincy, OH (in a suburb) and i havnt heard of anything about BPL trial in my area, i emailed them when they first started trying it and still no response. I wanted to try it out so much too | |
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sweepy17
join:2004-07-21
Apex, NC | Progress Energy Tested it Last year in the Raleigh area and quickly dumped it | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Progress Energy said by sweepy17 :Tested it Last year in the Raleigh area and quickly dumped it Please tell us why you dropped it I am sure we would all like to know:)
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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| Re: Progress Energy said by Transmaster :said by sweepy17 :Tested it Last year in the Raleigh area and quickly dumped it Please tell us why you dropped it I am sure we would all like to know:) I'd like to know also.
It seems suspicious to me that Progress Energy gave up so quickly. It wasn't exactly offered or advertised that much. I only found out through here. There was nothing on their web site. Obviously their research department must suck at looking for target customers or their cables suck at suppressing interference. | |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | Re: Progress Energy Or maybe the technology just sucks... | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: Progress Energy said by RadioDoc :Or maybe the technology just sucks... I know it does but it would be interesting to hear from somebody who has used it, and dumped it.
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you. | |
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join:2004-04-14 | Re: Progress Energy I think that Sweepy1's post meant that Progress Energy dumped BPL, not that Sweepy1 dumped Progress Energy's offering.
Report on the end of the Raleigh trial: »Another One Bites the Dust | |
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mythology
join:2002-10-16
Seneca, SC | Wheres the trial? I live 5 miles from duke power and havent heard anything about a BPL trial. Maybe there giving the trial to the old rich people up in the keowee keys  | |
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sweepy17
join:2004-07-21
Apex, NC
| Google " BPL Progress Energy Raleigh" NEWINGTON, CT, Oct 4, 2004--Progress Energy Corporation (PEC) has shut down its BPL field trial in the Raleigh, North Carolina, area and removed all system hardware. The utility's action last week came just as local amateur Tom Brown, N4TAB, had filed a Response and Further Complaint about the system with the FCC. Despite the system's shutdown--which he'd called for in his filing--Brown says he stands by his challenge to the FCC's determination last July that the utility's BPL system complied with Part 15 rules and that ham band notching was "effective."
"My suggestion that the FCC somehow measured what I measured and saw what I saw and reported something else still stands," he said. Brown said he'd send a letter to that effect to Bruce Franca of the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology, and the other recipients of his recent complaint. Franca's July report had characterized the 24 dB average notch depths as "sufficient to eliminate any signals that would be deemed capable of causing harmful interference, including interference to amateur operations."
Progress Energy's approach to mitigating interference on amateur frequencies by avoiding--or notching--ham bands was, Brown said, "a failed attempt, regardless of what kind of face they want to put on it."
Brown maintained that the FCC's pronouncing a lack of harmful interference based upon a power level 24 dB below Part 15 emission limits "is immaterial." Part 15 is very clear, he said, that if unlicensed devices operating under that section of FCC rules cause harmful interference, it has to cease operation.
In the early stages of the utility's two-phase BPL field trial, Progress Energy and its BPL partner Amperion cooperated with local amateurs to eliminate interference. [Gary Pearce, KN4AQ, Photo]
"They [the FCC] measured it as a point source--it doesn't behave as a point source," Brown said of the BPL signals. "It behaves as a line source or a radiated source, and if you measure it and listen to it under those circumstances, you find exactly what I found--that you can drive a mile away from it and hear the same power level that you heard right at the injector." In its filings, the ARRL also has asserted that BPL is a line source, not a point source, radiator.
Despite the system's shutdown, Brown, who has an extensive background in RF engineering, says he doesn't believe amateurs in the vicinity of the Progress Energy BPL field trial wasted their time in monitoring the system and complaining about it.
"Collectively I think that the things we learned here will benefit us in a larger sense," he said, "in our ability to understand what some of these systems are capable of doing--having had the firsthand experience of listening to it and measuring it and seeing that it does, in fact, confirm physics." Should Progress Energy ever decide to get back into the BPL business, Brown added, he'd be happy to reconfirm his findings for them.
"I think they [Progress Energy] were aware that the problems had not been solved, and we weren't going to go away until they were solved," he said. Progress Energy reportedly has physically removed the BPL hardware from the power poles at the last of the three field trial sites. "The system's down, and I'm very pleased to see that," he commented. "It doesn't mean they [Progress Energy] won't do something later, but at least currently, it's SK." | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: Google " BPL Progress Energy Raleigh" i wander which system they where testing? I know there are different types. | |
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FTCXtreme
join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | Any news about Mass Electric, and BPL? Anyone know if Mass Electric will try BPL? | |
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titoyay222
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Cincinnati, OH
| current communications I live in cincy oh. I tried the Cinergy BPL service in my area. I liked the service a lot. We were able to get 3 mbps down (2.0-3.0) and 3 - 5 mbps upload. I eventually dumped the service because I am currently a Prem. RR member. I use my download a lot more than my upload today than anything. The service was great. Tech support was the best I've ever talked to. In comparison it was like talking to level 3 techs right when you called in. Cost was started from $30- $50 a month. We had 1 month free. After that you must sign a 2 year contract. | |
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| Vonage User
join:2004-05-15
Hillsborough, NC | Re: current communications Point well made!! | |
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scottbomb
@belo.com
| Wi-Fi/Wi-Max & FIBER OPTICS will kill BPL.... ...before it even gets off te ground. BPL pollutes the radio spectrum and CANNOT live up to the hype. They promise it will "bring broadband to the rural masses" yet NOT ONE SINGLE BPL installation so far has been in a rural area. Wanna know why?? It's the same reason CATV never went to the countryside - it's way too expensive with negative return on investment. Who wants to invest millions to wire up a couple of hundred farmers of which you *might* get a handful of subscribers?
Wi-Max doesn't have this problem becuase it's not running a wire to every house. I recently read of a system that covers a good portion of Oregon - 100% wireless. | |
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IF BPL works? - good for competition
