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Always be true to yourself
join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA | Yeah ok Keep talking. So far SBC has done jack shit. All they do is run their mouth. Hurry up and deploy your 'next gen' network. Yeah right. | |
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join:2001-12-09
Los Angeles, CA | Re: Yeah ok SBC has been talking about Project Pronto, Project Lightspeed, whatever they call it now for years. Nothing has ever come of it. They're all talk. | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: Yeah ok said by jstack  :SBC has been talking about Project Pronto, Project Lightspeed, whatever they call it now for years. Nothing has ever come of it. They're all talk. Most of the telcos, apparently except Verizon and Fios, are all talk when delivering these new projects. It would be nice to see one of them actually deliver something for a change.
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Yeah ok said by TK Junk Mail :said by jstack :SBC has been talking about Project Pronto, Project Lightspeed, whatever they call it now for years. Nothing has ever come of it. They're all talk. Most of the telcos, apparently except Verizon and Fios, are all talk when delivering these new projects. It would be nice to see one of them actually deliver something for a change. And let's not forget just how long it took Verizon to deliver on *it's* promise of fiber too, now.
From what I recal, Verizon received many many $$s to launch this advanced service years ago, and they are just not in the beginning of launching the service.
Sorry, Verizon, yet again, doesn't get a free pass on this one. | |
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join:2005-02-28
Lisle, IL
| Re: Yeah ok said by djrobx : quote:
SBC has been talking about Project Pronto, Project Lightspeed, whatever they call it now for years. Nothing has ever come of it.
My 6mbps DSL circuit that's working 29,000 feet from the CO thanks to Pronto, disagrees with you. My 144k IDSL across the street from the Pronto RT disagrees with YOU! In the meantime, my VOD and HD cable agrees with jstack. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | Re: Yeah ok Project PRONTO was to extend the reach of DSL, not deliver fiber. Project Lightspeed was their fiber project. So I have to agree with djrobx. His DSL agrees. | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
 ·Dreamhost
·Armstrong Zoom In..
| I doubt you are running off the CO from that distance. Probably an RT closer to you.
One person happy with the 'next gen' service... out of millions of customers. Anyone else?
To tell you the truth letting a 'few' get the faster 6mb/s connection for the same price as the 3mb/s while others are left in the dark is just unfair. If I had known about it less then a month before I signed up for DSL, I MAY have been able to get it.
Untill at least 10mb/1mb is released, I wont be entirely satisfied. I would like to do some fast transfers between work/home/friends. So far that doesn't happen.
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA
| Re: Yeah ok Project PRonto is the name given to the RT deployment project.
I am on an RT as well and get 6mbit service as well.
It really does take a long time to develop an entire multimedia/TV broadcast newtwork over newly run fiber and old copper. Not to mention other roadblocks beyond the control of the company. | |
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join:2003-06-28
Virginia Beach, VA
| said by djrobx : quote:
SBC has been talking about Project Pronto, Project Lightspeed, whatever they call it now for years. Nothing has ever come of it.
My 6mbps DSL circuit that's working 29,000 feet from the CO thanks to Pronto, disagrees with you. Yeah but Cable has had that for years now....next? | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
·Dreamhost
·Armstrong Zoom In..
| Re: Yeah ok Yes, they commonly have higher speeds in SOME areas. Mainly where DSL has been uping thier speeds, or in Fios areas. Many areas accross the US still have maximum 3-4mb/s connections just as DSL does. The major thing that kills cable is that many locations where the main hubs are located are over-crowded, causing many people to see dial-up or slower speeds. I know for a fact that that happens in my area since I used to have cable internet, that is the main reason I switched to DSL (as well as cable having higher latency).
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Premium
join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA | PacBell (pre-SBC) dug up my development to put fiber in about seven years ago. Now they do not even remember that it is there.
These bozo's couldn't find shit if the head was up their ass. | |
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machater
join:2003-04-30
Turlock, CA | Oh so they are not a telephone company any more... I guess that excuses them for having crappy service | |
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join:2004-09-15
Madison, WI
| Re: Yeah ok No kidding!
Them not being a telephone company is probably why it took 5 telephone calls, 1 missed service call and 2 actual service calls to get my telephone and DSL lines working this week.
I certainly wouldn't want to offend anyone by calling SBC a telephone company. Maybe manipulative monopolist suits them better.
UGGGH! | |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| said by jarablue :Keep talking. So far SBC has done jack shit. All they do is run their mouth. ..... Yup, all I can get from Slacker Bell Corporation is a slow ACK dialup line. I think they call it Project Slightspeed in Michigan. | |
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join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | I'm an engineer for SBC and am working on FTTN/FTTP(Project lightspeed)...it is coming. Maybe not tomorrow or next week but it is coming. | |
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@comcast.net
| Well, I'll tell you what did it for me. I had Qwest and DSL, but after a two day DSL outage and the snotty attitude of the Qwest tech support, that was it. I canceled all service with Qwest, and switched over to Comcast and Vonage. I couldn't be happier. The only company that suffered unfairly in this was DirecTV, whose service I canceled since it didn't make sense to keep them when I was getting cable anyway. So if any executives are reading this, tech support makes a difference. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | What? What is this site talking about. NONE OF THIS STUFF IS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE... So why all this hype, this isent japan and HK that actaully have this. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
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July 28th, @04:09PM
| It's certainly no wonder... POTS is taxed to death...at least in my case resulting in nearly doubling the cost of my service.
Verizon charges
VERIZON BASIC SERVICE
MONTHLY SERVICE - BASIC (Jul 13 to Aug 13)
Description Qty Unit Rate
Residence line - measured rate 1 10.00 10.00
Interstate Subscriber Line Charge 1 6.50 6.50
Total $ 16.50
LOCAL CALLS
Local Call Summary (Jun 23 to Jul 13)
Call No. of Rate per No. of Rate per
area Period Init min. Init min. add'l add'l min.
Local Day 8am-5pm 0 .0000 0 .0000 .00
Evening 5pm-11pm 1 .0280 5 .0070 .05
Night 11pm-8am 2 .0160 3 .0040 .04
Sat/Sun All day Included in Night charges
Subtotal .09
Usage Allowance CR .09
Total $ .00
With this plan your Usage Allowance is a maximum of $3.00.
Additional credit for the Usage Allowance may display under
Zone Unit Charges.
Calls billed to 951 xxx-xxxx
BASIC SERVICE TAXES AND SURCHARGES
Federal excise tax at 3.00% .52
Funding to support the Public Utilities Commission .01
911 State Tax .07
Temporary surcharge as allowed by Public Utilities Commission CR .12
California Relay Service and Communications Devices Fund .03
CA High Cost Fund - B .24
California Teleconnect Fund surcharge .02
CA Universal Lifeline Telephone Service .15
CA High Cost Fund - A .01
Federal Universal Service Fee .67
Total $ 1.60
Verizon basic charges $ 18.10
So on a $10 bill I have $8.10 in taxes and fees. | |
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Premium
join:2005-02-03
Charlottesville, VA
clubs:
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July 28th, @04:09PM
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EDIT: I guess you caught it the same time I did... | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: It's certainly no wonder... Caught that right after I posted it. | |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | Re: It's certainly no wonder... Damn. Now we can't call you and scream what's up. Thanks killjoy.  | |
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Duo Maxwell
What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | What was that number lol. I get 2 hours of long distance free that I never use, may as well harass someone lol. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
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July 28th, @05:54PM
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH | You're doing good, here in Ohio their local service starts around $18.00 and with taxes it is $28.00. Thats basic phone, no extras, no LD. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
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July 28th, @04:23PM
| Re: It's certainly no wonder... That doesn't include the 10% fund everyone else's service (FUSF) fee I have to pay on my DSL (in addition to the one I pay on POTS). On a bill that should by all intents and purposes be $45 it's closer to $55. Where else do we see 22% tax on services? Telco taxes and fees suck. It's just an easy buck or ten for greedy government. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: It's certainly no wonder... Make sure all of those fees are actual Government charges and not just fees for "special funds" like the USF and stuff. There still isn't any accountability on what happens to any of those charges. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
edit:
July 28th, @05:06PM
| Re: It's certainly no wonder... It's both. Some fees are expected like 9-1-1 but "Funding to support the Public Utilities Commission"...where did the other $100 billion the state collected in taxes go?
Here in California, many things they have to call funds and fees when they're actually taxes because of certain approval requirements that are required to pass an actual tax. By calling it a fee the legislature doesn't need 2/3 majority to pass it. | |
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join:2000-02-29
Cleveland, OH
| eh?? I have basic unlimited phone service from SBC and I pay $22 a month. No LD. Do you have a LD service listed on your bill? I always tell them that I have no LD carrier, and don't want it on my bill. If they show up on your bill, even if you don't use them, you get hit with their taxes as well. I'm up in Cleveland if that makes any difference. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: It's certainly no wonder... "Only" still amounts to over 10% in taxes. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: It's certainly no wonder... Quibblinng over 16% in taxes? Sales tax over here is around 9% alone. Gasoline is taxed something like 30% or more. Cigarettes are taxed even more than that. As far as a taxed utility is concerned 16% isn't much to sneer about.
Actually it can't really be said that all of that 16% is taxes. Looks like a lot of additional charging. The Bells are either passing the cost of doing business down to you by calling it a surcharge instead of just making the standard rate higher (thus making your rate quote sound lower when it actually isn't) or they are just making up stuff to get more money out of you. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| At last--an admission that SBC resents competition said by DoofusBellHead:
"We're not a telephone company anymore; I sort of resent that,” says Lea Ann Champion, an executive at SBC in charge of Project Lightspeed. TRANSLATION: "We got fat, dumb, and happy providing a necessity under a paid-off governmental monopoly. I really resent having to compete and actually work for my paycheck."
This quote is a perfect example of why the incumbents, whose only real skill is to buy off legislators and regulators, will continually fail to meet the needs of the marketplace.
The fact that Big Ed Whitacre would even tolerate such an idiotic attitude within his company is bizarre. The fact that he places such a dinosaur in charge of Project Lightspeed says far more about his true intentions (and business acumen) than any press release.
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | i have seen it all. Only telco deploying anything like this is verzion. Im in bellsouth land. I will see this in what 20 years from now?
i cant even get dsl.
I think SBC wants to lobby for some money so we flip the bill( us taxpayers). | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: i have seen it all. Correction:
Only telco major telco deploying anything like this is verzion.
There are others deploying Fiber. Surewest/WinFirst deployed fiber back in 1999/2000 in Sacramento - just to name one.... In fact, they rolled Digital Video, Digital Telephone, and 10m/10m HSI when they launched. | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: i have seen it all. i didnt know that.
I stand corrected then.
thanks
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| death of the landline? Not me, I will give up my land line when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers!
Maybe in another decade or so I will trust VOIP and Cellular to work in an emergency situation. As it is right now neither one is reliable enough to risk my family just to save $20 a month. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: death of the landline? Agreed ... Whatever one says about the telcos, they do know how to operate landline service since they've done it for so long. They don't know how to operate VoIP services, and the cable operators don't know how to run anything but TV and they make sure we pay through the nose for that! | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: death of the landline? I didn't say they know how to be an ISP! Just like the cable operators haven't a clue. | |
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join:2004-09-15
Ashland, OH | Re: death of the landline? I got sick of Verizon and just switched my phone to the cable company(Armstrong) It only saves me about 5 dollars but I just couldn't put up with Verizon anymore. Plus Armstrong's Phone has a lot more features than Verizon could ever offer. | |
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ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA | landline?? landline?? what's a landline??? we have not sent a check to verizon since sometime in 2003----have not missed their grossly overpriced service for one second. bub | |
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ralf1
join:2001-02-09
Sugar Land, TX
| Happy with a landline You know, for about 26/month with taxes I get a service that allows me unlimited local calls, is reliable - no dropped calls or poor connections - and ALWAYS works. Haven't had a phone outage at my home in years. Its almost perfect delivery of a service - delivery that for me at least has exceeded the quality of delivery of cell, cable, cable modem, electricity, water, garbage, lawn care and damn near every other utility or service I get at my house. The only other one that has similar reliability is natural gas.
In the grand scheme of things a land line is a pretty good deal. I agree that the government has taxed the service to death, its a nickel and dime thing that will drive you nuts. I agree that the telcos have lagged behind on pushing the technology envelope. But the cellular carriers have made a mess of things too - 14 different kinds of cell service (TDMA CDMA GSM multiple frequencies for each).
There is certainly room for improvement in the phone business, but to pretend that copper based telephone is a bad deal is shortsighted. Call me old fashioned, but by my analysis its a pretty good product. | |
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join:2004-05-03
Bloomington, IN
| Re: Happy with a landline I like my landline's reliability also. I will probably never get rid of it.
But SBC gives me a landline capable of 28K speeds (on a good day), 24K more typical. I asked them to test it to see if it could be improved, and I was told the test would cost me money. Nobody would even discuss DSL.
They have not run DSL to anybody near me, even though I am in the city limits of Bloomington, Indiana.
I finally settled on a cable modem. I would switch to DSL if it were available.
But SBC would rather lobby the Indiana state legislature instead of doing anything requiring an investment.
At least that's my take on the subject....
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David
Last man standing
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs:
 ·magicjack.com
 ·AT&T Midwest
| I will have to agree with you. Cell phone companies have left much to be desired, hell most cell phones I have had don't power worth a F__k and have just about as bad talk times. I come from the field that cell phones are emergency phones or occasional talk phones only.
I still use my land line for faxing, dial up modem testing, and dial up service setup, regular phone conversations, and all kinds of things.
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| I agree (about sbc) SBC has NOT done enough to deploy fiber to the home or ultra generation-2 style broadband services, namely IPTV or VOIP which they have not fully embraced or pitted the future of the company on (aka Verizon).
However, since I don't live in that part of the country
(sbc land) I couldn't give a flying
[EXPLATIVE INSTRED HERE] about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The death of conventional cable tv and pots is the day LOCAL MUNICIPAL governments get their A$$ reamed on franchise rights of way. Not a minute before.
If you think back, say mid-late 1970's if franchises that currently tax your local cable and phone bills up the whazoo with the same cost structure in a "primary buildout" of fiber to the premise, the plan would be DEAD AS A DOOR-NAIL and VAPORWARE before you could say infomercial.
A universal utility fee is reasonable, but needs to be a fraction of its current standing and based upon the total amount spent ONLY applied to universal phone service (you can throw out that Fraud Ridden status quo regime currently in place too!! it sucks, bigtime) | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Mission Viejo, CA
clubs:
| Get A Clue The death of the landline has been greatly over exaggerated just like the death of the floppy drive was overembellished and just plain retarded. The consumers who drop their landlines are the same dumbasses who think that using an 800MB CD to burn a an 8MB file is a good idea. 
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| Re: Get A Clue quote:
he consumers who drop their landlines are the same dumbasses who think that using an 800MB CD to burn a an 8MB file is a good idea.
Sure beats raring it into 1.44 parts then copying it to six different floppies.
Floppy disks swallow.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
Premium
join:2003-02-13
Mission Viejo, CA
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| Re: Get A Clue said by thender :Floppy disks swallow. Anything that swallows is usually a good thing.
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Re: Get A Clue I should have said spit. My bad. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| sbc phone bill Call Plan Unlimited 13.17
Federal Access Charge 5.35
State Access Charge 2.78
9-1-1 Emergency System .30
Emergency 9-1-1 Operational 3.00
Federal Universal Service Fee .54
Federal at 3% .75
State at 6% 1.50
Total Monthly Service 27.39
Isn't that awesome? Going to call plan 100 i think it is (100 local calls a month) drops the bill like 2 bucks. | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: sbc phone bill you have more in fees then you do in the service thats bad.
13.17 call plan
14.22 in fees and taxes and charges. what charge will they come up next? why not make it a even 30 bucks a month then for you.
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cloutier0228
join:2004-03-31
Norwich, CT
clubs:
edit:
July 29th, @12:55AM
| I really have to... Agree. This is by far very ridiculous. I mean, come on. I'm always online checking the SBC Media Newsroom to see if anything has been done to accel Project Darkslow, but there is nothing but constant news briefs about:
»www.sbc.com/gen/press-room?pid=5···ear=2005
"SBC Communications Announces New Contract with Happy State Bank"
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"SBC Communications Announces New Data Services Contract with Baker Robbins & Company"
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"SBC Communications Announces Three-Year Contract with MedAssets, Inc."
you get the idea. It's pathetic. SBC needs to stop buying and signing contracts with everything, and start serving their customers. | |
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RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
Premium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
·Comcast
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July 29th, @02:04AM
| Landlines are not going anywhere With daily VOIP outages, NO accoutability to the FCC and a low reliability rating, especially in times of distress or disaster and companies popping in and out of existence faster than Imelda Marcos changes her shoes, VOIP has a looooooooong way to go to ever think of displacing the copper landline. NOTHING can match it's uptime and reliability, why do you think faxes are still very popular and in high demand? RELIABILITY.
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join:2005-04-03
US | Re: Landlines are not going anywhere Cheers to that - I have several customers daily requesting to come back to my company because VOIP sucks.
Save yourself the reconnection fees and stick around!  | |
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RailRoadDude
Premium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA | Re: Landlines are not going anywhere I agree! My dad does government work, and he could never depend on VOIP, his voice landline and fax landline are up all the time, something vital to his work. | |
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join:2005-06-01
Odenton, MD
| Actually, there is a third way. I have Vonage VOIP for most of my telephone needs, but I keep a backup line through Verizon as a fall back. If the power goes out, we can still make and receive calls, except the long distance starts to kick in. Vonage even forwards calls to this line when the ATA is down. (which only happens if the power is out for more than my UPS can last)
I went to VOIP because I couldn't afford to keep paying the bloody long distance charges. By making it so I only have to pay them when the power is out, I save a boatload of money. Before VOIP - I was regularly spending $160/mo or more (both my, and my wife's family live several states away)
I also got tired of paying a 30% tax just to have a dial tone (though this actually got worse - now I pay over 110% tax on my dial tone...)
My unlimited Vonage account is $27/mo, which comes with voice mail, caller-ID, and God knows what else - my metered rate Verizon line (with NO services) is $6/mo (but I get hit for another $8 in taxes and fees!).
Sorry, but I'm willing to put up with a lot of mess to save that much money. Until long distance, and the myriad of fees and taxes, are banished to the hell from whence they came, I'll stick with VoIP - thank you very much! | |
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RailRoadDude
Premium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA | Re: Landlines are not going anywhere Many of us aren't willing to put up with that "mess", especially when our jobs depend on the phone being up, not to mention we're paying for it. | |
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join:2005-04-03
US | Soon, VOIP will be subject to the same amount of taxes and fees as the rest of telecom. It's simply impossible for the government to expect services like Sprint, Verizon, etc. to survive when we're forced to pay excess taxes that no one else does. | |
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ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Vonage
·Comcast
| landline there may well be those who continue to tout the benefits of the landline. i suppose, in part, some of this same crowd might walk around wearing a belt and suspenders just in case one might fail. redundancy is a great idea. in my case, we are fortunate to have not good but great gsm cellular service. the landline did not do one thing that is not already well covered by our cell line service. one thing i do not miss is anytime i had to call verizon, they always gave me that thinly veiled "may we have permission to review your account?"----to which i always replied "of course you may review my account but you do not have my permission to try to sell me anything". this typically made for a short conversation. | |
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