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BigPotato1
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Quakertown, PA | Re: Well, I could have easily purchased a 2004 Hyundai for 10K, but purchased a 1999 Volkswagen for that price instead...
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Westminster, CA | More like DSL: Yugo, Cable: BMW | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| You forgot to add that when the Honda passes the BMW, the owner looks over, is envious of the 45-way adjustable dual heat plus vibrate leather seats...until he remembers that he paid 1/3 the price for essentially the same thing, transportation.
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join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
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| I have had both and thru many providers Personally I think DSL is better. I have had Covad, Verizon, Conversent, Speakeasy, Charter, Comcast, Concentric/XO. It all depends oh how far away you are of course but 3M/768k from Verizon ($30-$40) at 10k ft compared to 3m/256k (lucky if you get 2.5) charter ($43-$50?). I would rather have Verizon, me need upload not more download! | |
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join:2002-01-20
Columbia, MD | I may have paid for a BMW, but with Comcasts terrible service and even worse customer support, I'm getting a Ford Pinto. | |
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join:2000-11-21 | Was he referring to the new Hyundais or the old ones?? Not sure if he knows but the Koreans are now building the shit out of these recent Hyundais. They are certainly more reliable than BMWs these days........ | |
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| donaldk
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Thunder Bay, ON | tbaytel DSL: Lada, Shawcable: M1A1 tank (it doesn't stop) | |
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Mactron
el Camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
CM94sv
| Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? said by djdanska  : Well, your right. It is all about each persons preferences. I prefer my 8mb line while others are happy with 3.0 or even 1.5 dsl for price reasons. ( or even better latency. I hear that a lot.) Some people want speed, some others want better prices.
You got 2 out of the three 3 reasons. Excellent response.:)
For future reference #3 is, No Hidden Caps. 
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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| Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? said by djdanska :Having 8mb w/potential cap and no contract is better than 3.0 or 1.5 dsl w/contract for me at least. DSl with a 1 year contract is just that a one year contract.Which then after said contract is a month to month basis same as cable without potential caps.When it's a smokin' fast rock solid DSL line that contract would pretty much be null and void as i believe most would keep that connection even though cable is faster.
I do believe a DSL contract can be canceled within 30 days of install more than enough time to "see what it'll do".It's sweeter deal when there's a price reduction adding more value per dollar.The issue is whether one has the option to sub to either one as compared to no option at all.
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aelfwyne
join:2004-01-28
Beaumont, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? Not sure about other providers, but the "1 year and then you pay more" myth is just a myth in SBC Land. Sure, if you don't renew the contract, you pay more. But all you have to do is renew the contract to get the current promotional rate, which so long as I've had DSL has done nothing but go down. I've had it for 3 years and never paid the month-to-month rate. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? I have never ever had my rate increase after my contract had expired nor have I ever heard of it happening to someone.
2 times in the last year I have had my rates decreased, which of course required a new contract, but it wont be going up afterwards anyway. Besides I would imagine I will be upgrading my services and lowering my price again within the next year. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| I actually have three providers.
1) Comcast Cable Internet 8/768 for desktops that do work on the internet, play games, and surf in general. This line also is where my 5 2005 Media Center PCs site for when they use the VOD services and for movie downloads. Fast speeds. $52.00 Mo
2) Qwest DSL - 1.5/896. Used for the servers for FTP, Email, Web Serving, and services like Vonage and services on the network that need static ips. This line is also used by one server in general that downloads and installs the service packs that are used by all 24 machines. Instead of each machine performing a windows update one at a time, a single server downlaods the packs and the locals install from the one server.
3) Brand X DSL - Redundant backup for other services, just because. $29.99 mo.
I think all services ahve a place and use depending on what people may use them for. I am a classic example of someone that sees uses for both services.
I like the speed of cable and will also have the top package and I like the open and free use of the DSL along with it's networking abaility and again, will always pay top dollar for top service.
But it's true when it was said "why lower the price when people are buying the service?" - They are in business to make money, not baseline profits. | |
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djdanska
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Westmont, IL
clubs:
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| Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? said by en102 :Hmm - Commiecast has only 4 or 6 Mbps packages here, and 4 Mbps is $ 52/month if I'm not mistaken ... DSL Extreme is 49.95 for 6000/608 (I'm actuall ~ 500' too far for it  ). 3000/512 works fine for $24.95 on DHCP (not pppoe!) Comcast offers $19.99 for 6 months, but charges for installation. DSL Extreme has self install, and does not charge for install, or modem rental (I use my old SBC one!) The haven't rolled out the new packages yet. Simply put, if you have expanded cable you have 6mb standard or 8mb for gold tier.
Other customers (including broadcast basic) have 4mb 6mb and 8mb tiers.
More in the comcast forum. It's a sticky.
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Is cable that much better than DSL ? Uh, 4 meg is $42 and the 6 is $52. It's quite possible that some people have access to the 8mg service. YOU never know. | |
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
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| I think I might agree in some aspects... ..Of that thought...
Cable is faster in most cases, is easier to install and maintain, and in my experience is more stable and reliable than DSL.
All you have to do is look at the DSL forums and then the Cable Forums... DSL is always loaded with issues and people looking for help from the techs. Cable is USUALLY pretty quiet.
HOWEVER, Comcast is not one that should be calling it's self a BMW as their CS is abismal and in some areas, their service is just as bad. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| Re: I think I might agree in some aspects... said by chesney09 :..Of that thought... Cable is faster in most cases, is easier to install and maintain, and in my experience is more stable and reliable than DSL. All you have to do is look at the DSL forums and then the Cable Forums... DSL is always loaded with issues and people looking for help from the techs. Cable is USUALLY pretty quiet. Complete opposite for me. My dsl has always been rock steady at 6mbit/768kbit. Tried comcast cable this summer for $19.99 along with dsl and there were numerous outages. cable in general just feels slower response wise and I cant stand all the broadcast traffic keeping the activity light on solid. My dsl activity light rarely blinks when its not me doing something. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: I think I might agree in some aspects... I will agree that DSL has a better chance of being solid since the pipe to the CO is not shared. But I hardly could give a rat's a*ss about my light blinking or not. That's just a little anal retentive if you ask me.  | |
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join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | You know, there was a time when my cable modem activity light was accurate. It was many years ago, it has since turned into a second power light. | |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY | Sure.. What a joke. Comparing broadband to cars... | |
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join:2003-05-28
USA | I Think I'll take the Hyundai. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
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| Re: I Think said by BosstonesOwn :Why ? Is it the 30 + mpg ? Or maybe the list of features that come standard vs. the BMW ? I would take the Hyundai simple for the fact they are cheap as hell to fix but that is me. Everyone picks on Hyundai, until they actually ride in one. Since around 2000 they have had an excellent product.
Even down to how the different parts are arranged in the engine compartment the car is well thought out. Most everything that would need replaced over the life of the car, tho daunting in appearance at first look, is easy to reach and remove once you see how they meant you to do it.
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USA
| Re: I Think Since my mother bought her 2003 XG 350 L, I have really liked the cars Hyundai is putting out. They are well-made, reliable and comfortable. In fact, the one thing I wouldn't buy them for is fuel economy.
With the new Sonata coming out, which looks excellent on the commercial, as well as the Tucson, which I seem to see people driving everywhere, I am very impressed with Hyundai.
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join:2000-08-25
New York
·Verizon Online DSL
| Typical ignorance and arrogance One day when the top dogs who run these companies stick their heads out of their asses and actually look and care about what consumers have to say and do something about it, then statements like that will matter.
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Typical ignorance and arrogance said by Network Guy :One day when the top dogs who run these companies stick their heads out of their asses and actually look and care about what consumers have to say and do something about it, then statements like that will matter. ... I know.. I mean after all, just about 5-7 years ago, we were still dialing up to the internet hoping for something better with faster speeds. How dare they not listen to us and build something incredible that fast in just a short period of time.
I was just telling my other half the other day, "you know, the next time they double those speeds again without raising the prices, why, I'm going to give them a piece of my mind. I mean *who are* these people with thier heads up their asses anyway?"
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| Re: Typical ignorance and arrogance  Here in Central CA, we pay $60+ for 4mb and it slips well down into the 1mb range with no traffic discernible.
If they double the speed or simply claim to up it doesn't matter to me.
I would be very happy to pay what other people pay in other area's for stable connectivity.
My brother lives a couple towns away gets 3mb down 1.5 up DSL for ~$29 and it's stable imagine that.
Half the price and it works, unfortunately Cable is the only game for us, seems to me they have no impetuous to lower prices as gouging is part of the company culture.
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5c077
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join:2003-01-28
MD
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| Sounds about right... BMW's are extremely overpriced and can't go over the speed limit anyway (legally), thus is the same speed as a Hyundai which is more affordable.
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join:2004-10-10
Dallas, TX
| Re: Sounds about right... said by Blasterbator :Going fast doesn't necessarily mean exceeding the posted speed limit Most of time, it does. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | I read an article where Hyundai is rated among the best in a dependability study for 2005. It's starting to sound like Brian didn't put much thinking in what he said. | |
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toadlife
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join:2004-05-03
Coalinga, CA
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| Re: Sounds about right... I own a 2004 Hyundai Sonata with a V6. My friend owns a 2002 BWM 3 series.
His Car cost 40Gs
My car cost 16Gs
His car does 0-60 in ~5-6 seconds
My car does 0-60 in ~8-9 seconds
His car tops out at around 138MPH (governor kicks in)
On a cold morning, I actually got mine up to to 132Mph, but layed off after that (I didn't want my tires to explode).
His car has a decent warrantee
My car has a better warrantee
His car is expensive to repair
My car is less expensive to repair
His car is comfortable
My car is comfortable
His car gives a quiet ride
My car gives a quiet ride
His car corners like a beast
Okay he has me beat *big time* here, but some new springs and tires would fix that!
His car has a tiny trunk
My car has a big trunk
His car has very little room
My car has more room
Bottom line: Both are decent choices. I like driving his car, but I wouldn't want it. He actually likes my car too, but he's into performance, thus it's not for him.
Same with these stupid cable/dsl comparisons. Each to his own; Calling DSL a "hyundai" is not neccessarily an insult. | |
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Its' Only Temp
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join:2005-05-21
Belvidere, NJ
|  Sometimes
Sometimes a product is overpriced or priced out of range of most consumers.Think of people who can't afford their meds or healthcare now some can't afford the gas for their cars Sometimes money isn't everything Ford said i will make a car all can afford.Sometimes profit can be put aside it can be made up at a later time! There's only so many cookies in the jar at one time. I like Becks but sometimes I have to settle for Coor's lite | |
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I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Sorry Bri... $80/mo is no deal. 30% How Dare I Not Have CATV penalties aren't a deal. 500ms latency isn't a deal. 30% increases in CATV pricing isn't a deal. | |
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kenyg
join:2001-02-09
Hatboro, PA | Hyundai and FIOS would be a Ferrari?
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PBX Tech
Theory of a Deadman on XM 48 Squizz
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join:2000-09-20
Norwich, CT | Re: Hyundai yes, for 50 bucks a month. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | So Brian..... ...is DSL bothering you? How about FIOS?
If DSL is a Hyundai and cable is a BMW then fiber will be a Lamborgini.
Guess you will have to think of something else to say when it costs the same and goes faster than you. | |
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join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL
| Re: So Brian..... said by moonpuppy :...is DSL bothering you? How about FIOS? If DSL is a Hyundai and cable is a BMW then fiber will be a Lamborgini. Actually FIOS would be a F-18 when cable is a BMW.
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Its' Only Temp
Premium
join:2005-05-21
Belvidere, NJ | Brian you think But do you listen most people who think their right are wrong broadband prices are going down speeds are going up
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING LOOK! | |
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join:2002-01-09
Bridgewater, MA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Well, he can take his BMW..... and shove it were the sun don't shine. $58 ($43 + $15 for the newsgroups he canceled last January) versus $30 for DSL with the first three months free. I just ordered me some DSL.
The last straw was when he just raised the total bill that I pay by $17. Well, he did not exactly raise it, he just canceled the discount I was getting for having all three services with comcrap. Telephone and Internet have been taken care of, cable to follow. Total savings: about $45 per month | |
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join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | LMAO BMW is right, Overpriced, and a waste of money. My Personal opinion BMW sucks, BMW stand for Bring More Wrenches also, so that coud lExplain the outtages. | |
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join:2004-11-09
Fairfield, PA
| Re: LMAO ok roberts u think ur right? i very much doubt it
where i come from people are looking for decent prices and recently comcast is bout to get their arse thrown out of the borough for cable tv rates are too high.
when the area first dealt with comcast cable tv rates were 29.99 a month now not even 4yrs later the price has jumped to 45 bucks a month and our borough says ur either gonna lower the rates or prepare to pay customers back as the borough will take it as denial of customer satisfaction. comcast has no choice but to lower the rate, or pay customers back or force being thrown out of the area as borough will cancel their franchise agreement and nobody wants to see that. | |
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join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA | I hate both. From my point of view im not leaniant. I can't get either and I hate both cable and DSL for not deploying. | |
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Time
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·Cox HSI
| said by FTCXtreme :BMW is right, Overpriced, and a waste of money. My Personal opinion BMW sucks, BMW stand for Bring More Wrenches also, so that coud lExplain the outtages. You must be a r1cer.
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join:2002-01-12
Natrona Heights, PA
| Re: LMAO said by Time :said by FTCXtreme :BMW is right, Overpriced, and a waste of money. My Personal opinion BMW sucks, BMW stand for Bring More Wrenches also, so that coud lExplain the outtages. You must be a r1cer. You're too kind. | |
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join:2004-09-02
Holyoke, MA | Question? Since I drive a Hyundai, should I switch to DSL? | |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| cable better? better? faster maybe.. unless your node is overloaded... but NOT better:
dsl lets you get STATIC IPs, run servers, some will even do domains and dns for you.. cable will tereminate you account if you even hint at a server.. can't or won't offer static IPs, and don't even ask them about dns, as you'll get big question mark responses from the csr..
In all truth, DSL is better overall, just not as fast..
If I was closer to the DSLAM, I'd be back on DSL in a heartbeat..
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join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ
| Re: cable better? hmm in My area I have a choice of Charter with 3mbit/ 256k. It has crappy ping and frequently disconnects it also costs 45 bucks.
and I have VZ DSL 3mib/768k low pings, rarely disconnects and costs $30. Seems like a simple choice for my area at least. | |
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