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1 edit | Wow... Wow, what extremes will people go to, to waste other peoples time and money.
Let them call me when my mother or father dies about some credit card verification, to sell me something, or just something I don't plainly feel like listening to. I'll slap a damn lawsuit on them and they won't get a $1 fee.
It's ashamed that if you tell someone to take you off their list, or that they are now deceased that they will charge a $1 fee to the survivor (or other relative, person) to remove them.
I feel that telemarketers (90%) are a waste of time and money. If I want to buy something, or figure out if something exist, I will on a want-to-know basis search the internet for their product. If their product does not show up, then they need to reorganize their marketing strategy and quit cold-calling me on the phone during business hours or during supper!
How do you think you'd feel if someone called you during your dinner? (Pointed towards telemarketers) | |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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| I read earlier the $1 charge was for "credit card verification" or confirmation or some similar BS. Funny, I've seen sites verify a credit card before without needing to put a charge on it. How about charging the $1 and then after "verification" giving it back? How many people die in the U.S. every year? Couple million at least? That's a lot of potential income.
My response to the morons the DNC doesn't cover (i.e. E.B.E., Charity, "Surveys", and Political) is a little standalone PC with answering machine software. I can blacklist CID info at will so when they call, it tells them that "your information has been blacklisted and no further calls will be accepted from you". It also handles those limbo "unknown" callers with a similar message but an option to leave a message in the event it's a legit call. If they gut the DNC, guess my AMPC will just get a little more work--and my messages will get nastier.
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| Re: Wow... said by fireflier  :I read earlier the $1 charge was for "credit card verification" or confirmation or some similar BS. Funny, I've seen sites verify a credit card before without needing to put a charge on it. How about charging the $1 and then after "verification" giving it back? How many people die in the U.S. every year? Couple million at least? That's a lot of potential income. My response to the morons the DNC doesn't cover (i.e. E.B.E., Charity, "Surveys", and Political) is a little standalone PC with answering machine software. I can blacklist CID info at will so when they call, it tells them that "your information has been blacklisted and no further calls will be accepted from you". It also handles those limbo "unknown" callers with a similar message but an option to leave a message in the event it's a legit call. If they gut the DNC, guess my AMPC will just get a little more work--and my messages will get nastier. Asterix software has those options. Pretty neat system too.
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Limbo | Re: Wow... OK, I'll bite. What is Asterix? | |
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| said by Shrapnel64 :How do you think you'd feel if someone called you during your dinner? (Pointed towards telemarketers) I wonder if a certain BBR member, who claimed to be a telemarketer, will come grace us with her mindless rantings about how she loved to talk to people and more were happy to have her call.  :D | |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL | Re: Wow... She's obviously never called me... | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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Wesley Chapel, FL | This is harrasment. | |
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anonpronman
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It should be a crime..
Many of the Potential clients or current clients are older folks. There Telemarketing Houses Pry on the older folks.
Why because they are lonely, gullible, and FULL OF CASH. | |
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| King75
King Of All And Nothing
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| My Grandfather has been dead for 35 years (He died in Vietnam) and he still gets credit card phone calls. He never even lived at the house my grandmother lives in now she bought it after he died. She tells them that he has been dead for 35 years and not to call back they get quiet say ok and sorry and hang up quickly it is insane. | |
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yoonix
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Teaneck, NJ | What about the living? So how can they verify if a person is really deceased? I wouldn't mind paying a dollar to never get a telemarketing call again. | |
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BuriedCaesar
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join:2004-03-27
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| Re: What about the living? I woulnd't mind paying a $1, either, for the telemarketers to think I'm dead but I'd have to convince them first. Better yet, why aren't we getting $100 from THEM to prove that we're alive before they can call us? And since we have to tell all those card companies and everyone else we do business with EVERY year that we don't want to hear from them (that silly "opt-out" thing), shouldn't we be getting that $100 EVERY year, too?
Can't wait to use this on the next tele-caller:
"What's that name again? Never heard of 'em. Must've died. You can quit calling him. What's that? You want $1? Why don't you send me $100 and I'll see if I can find him for ya. Might be around the house here or in the back yard somewhere..."
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Everybody Goes Home
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| Wow that's cheap...
$1.00? That's all? Hell, I can't even call Aunt Patty in Oregon for that price!
But seriously folks, if they want their dollar to stop calling dead people, tell them to send the person a BILL. The can correespond with them at deadperson@heaven.org.
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zoom314
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| Re: Wow that's cheap... said by ff1324 :$1.00? That's all? Hell, I can't even call Aunt Patty in Oregon for that price! But seriously folks, if they want their dollar to stop calling dead people, tell them to send the person a BILL. The can correspond with them at deadperson@heaven.org. Good one. Or maybe for some at undead@hell.org? AS these guys sound like real Vampires, Steak anyone?;)
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Slime all around. AFAIAC the Direct Marketing Association is in the same category as spammers. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Question for those on the National DNC list... I've been on the PA DNC list since day on and have only received a handful of calls from telemarketers (each of whom I've reported; and so far have made a couple hundred bucks off of doing so  )
Anyway I noticed in that second article that the groups are lobbying to have the the laws from 5 states with stricter DNC regulations invalidated. Is anyone on the DNC list from any state other than Indiana, Florida, New Jersey, Wisconsin and North Dakota receiving many calls from Telemarketers?
The article insinuated that the DNC laws nationally and in the other states are largely ineffective, which I think is BS, but it might be just me.
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Rogue Wolf
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| Re: Question for those on the National DNC list... I registered my new number not too long after I moved from New Jersey to North Carolina. It took about three days for me to start getting messages on my answering machine from companies offering to install DirecTV or perform other services- not to mention the occasional offer for home refiniancing (I rent!).
It took a little while, but the calls trickled off. I'd say that for at least the last ten months I haven't gotten a single sales call.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Re: Question for those on the National DNC list... said by Rogue Wolf :It took a little while, but the calls trickled off. I'd say that for at least the last ten months I haven't gotten a single sales call. I think the list is printed quarterly, so It's not an instant thing.
I'm just wondering where all these people in the states with "weak" DNC laws that are getting hammered by telemarketers are.
At this point being that you're the only one who's responded and what you post fits how the list works I'm feeling more and more sure that EPIC is full of BS.
In addition after reading the PA telemarketing legislation and all the exceptions and exceptions to exceptions (ie things like you're not a telemarketer if you've been in business for 3.5 years and publish a catalog of 24 pages or more at least 2X a year and employ less than 3 people but only advertise via phone unless more than 80% of your income comes from the fishing industry.....); and there can be potentially fifty different lists of classifications of who is a telemarketer, I can see where the groups asking the feds to standardize are coming from.
This wouldn't be a problem if legislators wrote laws to accomplish their stated intent instead of worrying about making them a PR opportunity (which results in contorted overly complicated legislation).
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| said by Combat Chuck :I've been on the PA DNC list since day on and have only received a handful of calls from telemarketers (each of whom I've reported; and so far have made a couple hundred bucks off of doing so ) Ahhh...nice. The ol' small-claims route. I heard about a few folks in WA doing that sort of thing, but I'm not too familiar witht he PA laws.
Do you know if automated dialers (recorded messages calling you) illegal in PA, because I've been getting a lot of those at home AND work. Seems telemarketers are too lazy to have an actual person annoy you. 
Some interesting reading can be found here, btw:
»www.smallclaim.info/
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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Parsonsburg, MD | How much would you wager . . . that some DMA marketing droid got this idea from Yahoo's recent troubles? | |
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Plainfield, IN | Re: Unf*ckingbelievable They don't care whether you want the calls or not. As is the case with spam, they are after that fraction of a percent that will respond to their marketing pitch. | |
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| Re: Unf*ckingbelievable Precisely. Which means that, as more people's numbers become off-limits to them because of either state or national DNC lists, they have three choices:
1. Employ the same number of people, who will be calling a shrinking pool of people more and more often.
2. Lay off people to compensate for the declining number of people left to call.
3. Fight the lists.
The first option isn't a good choice, since it will certainly alienate the people being called. It's true that telemarketers may not care if they annoy people, but that only goes so far. If they annoy them too much, those people may put themselves on a DNC list, which puts them off-limits to telemarketers entirely.
Option 2 may seem like the obvious solution. As the pool of potential customers dries up, lay off people and scale down. Great in theory, except no industry will voluntarily make itself smaller. And you know that the DMA doesn't want this, as fewer companies means less money in membership dues and less influence.
This brings us to option 3, which is what they're doing. They tried to stop the national DNC but failed, so they're going after tougher state lists. How much this will help them is uncertain, since they're basically trying to gain a little breathing room.
Like I said in another post, the best way to fight them, besides opposing this rule change, is to shrink their pool of available numbers as rapidly as possible. I'm guessing that most people here are on the DNC list, but if you aren't, get on it. If you are, encourage those you know to also get on it. Expanding the number of people on the list is the best way to hurt these scumbags. | |
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AnonProxy
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ß | Re: Unf*ckingbelievable They actually are employing less and less people and would be even if there were tons of people to call.
Technology, (predictive dialing, voice response) outsourcing, have all led to less jobs in the US with regards to telemarketing. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| said by major marco :...there are sufficient loopholes for the DMA to drive a bus through since buying a cup of coffee is enough to constitute a business relationship. Well heres my question, how come I don't receive more calls? I'm not saying that there aren't people on the DNC list that are still receiving significant numbers of calls, but I'm struggling to find anybody who has.
And I've also been on the other side of the table; I was a manager at a call center for a mail order company; I fielded several calls from customers who put their names on the national DNC list and were informing me that my company was in violation of the law because the billing department called them to attempt to collect on a bill they owed. It appears to me that if they lived in any of those states that they were correct.
Either way I do agree that "previous business relationship" needs to be broken down into smaller categories; ie:
casual relationship - you buying a cup of coffee from Starbuck's
active relationship - you owing money to your bank
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Block the appropriate numbers.
Look at your call logs.
Laugh at all the times they try to call and get blocked.
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| Hit them where they live If the DMA wants to weaken DNC lists, then one way to fight them is to promote the national DNC list as widely as possible. Believe it or not, there are many people still not using it, many of whom, in my experience, have either not heard of it or who just haven't thought about registering for it. The more people get listed, the fewer people these scumbags will have to call, and the more of them will lose their jobs. Since I've been on the list, the only calls I've received were from one of those credit repair scam companies, which I reported, and which subsequently got spanked hard by the FTC and immediately stopped calling. That's been something like a year ago, and I've received no more calls. My parents were also getting bombarded until I got them on the list, then their calls stopped cold.
So I guess I'll get the ball rolling by putting a sig on my e-mails and discussion board posts, and I'd encourage others to do the same. Here's the vital info to use as you wish.
National Do Not Call Registry
»www.donotcall.gov
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| What a joke This reminds me of a incident that happened several decades ago. Charlie Chaplin who was living in Switzerland at the time died of old age. His family buried him and shortly there after grave robbers dug up and hauled the body off and told the family if they didn't pay X number of bucks they where never going to see him again. The family collectively told these crooks they where not going to pay a dime for a dead body and that they could have him. His body at home in the coffin he was buried in was found dumped along side the road a couple of years later.
This is how I feel about this one dollar one time charge.
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Washington, DC | So if I pay $1, I'm off the list for life? ... that sounds like a deal! | |
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DiscardedVet
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Sturgis, SD
1 edit | What Am I Missing Here? My parents pass on, the house is sold, the phone disconnected.
Who is going to be called when the phone is dead?
I'm to pay a dollar to have a now non-existent number put on a do-not-call list?
Is my logic getting rusty?
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| Re: What Am I Missing Here? Not really, but try this:
Your wife passes on, you stay in the same house with the same number, and the telemarketers keep calling and asking for her. That can be a pretty traumatic thing for some people. | |
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ß | Re: What Am I Missing Here? First affirmed lawsuit for emotional distress will "kill" this $1 bid real fast. | |
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markwp2001
Spreadhead
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Long Beach, MS | Give them the number of the cemetary where the person is buried. Tell them they have moved.
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raccettura
join:2002-09-28
USA
| Talking Dirty to telemarketers Everybody should do like I do:
when they call you, talk really sexually explicit to them.
I tell them where I want to stick things, what I'm touching, etc. etc. And ask them to keep talking because i find their voice erotic.
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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| Re: Is it only me or did anybody else notice ... newest telemarketer ploy to get around do not call list. Computer calls this is not a sale call or a survey call please call 1800 some damn number this call is very important. Then you cant hang up on them untill their entire speal is over. me they call i pull the plug from the modem (digital phone rocks. Pull the plug instal hang up  )
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zoom314
Superman
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| Re: Is it only me or did anybody else notice ... said by novaflare :Newest telemarketer ploy to get around do not call list. Computer calls this is not a sale call or a survey call please call 1800 some damn number this call is very important. Then you cant hang up on them until their entire speal is over. Me they call, I pull the plug from the modem (digital phone rocks. Pull the plug instant hang up ) Nice, When They tried calling Me at My old number I'd do that when they wouldn't give up, But then I've known how to do that for quite a while.:D
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dedshells
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| how to deal with them... After my grandfathers death, they'd call and ask for him. I'd plainly, and directly say "He's not here. He died in October, actually."
There would be a pause, then a really awkward apology, then they'd hang up.
I figure if they are going to bother me, and bring up a difficult time over something as trivial as a telemarketer call, then they should receive some of my suffering.
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | Re: how to deal with them... greed is a deadly sin, and see how it effects even evil telemarketer! | |
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cmcgilton
join:2001-03-14
Stow, OH | Good Luck Marketing Lobbyists: Good luck calling a dead person to try and collect that $1 fee! | |
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | It's a scam... I see it now See what they are trying to do is get you to pay $1 so you are under the classification of "doing business with them". Then they can call you all they want. | |
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We Won't Call the Dead: For a $1 Charge
Unf*ckingbelievable
OK. Just how low can some telemarketers go?