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Stop All The Downloadin
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| stop all the downloadin If I download a record off Soulseek, and I like it enough that I would have bought it, I at least go to one of the bands' shows and buy a tshirt or something. Bands see more of that profit anyhow.
A lot of times I'll buy a record that I downloaded just for the artwork, or something, and my friends make fun of me :/
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| Re: stop all the downloadin The record industry is to blame for their own problems. Years ago, the record industry made a purposely switch to digital CDs in order to maximize profit and minimize cost. They charged the same amount for the CD as for the tape (slightly more actually). They removed the analog component from the pressing of music so that they could produce cheaper albums and keep prices higher than need be. They even formed a joint monopoly group (RIAA, a few others) to make sure everyone was on board (God bless Dischord's 5 bucks (now 10) per cd policy, eh? What a model when this was all happening they were). When you purposely try to charge the cost of vinyl pressing for a medium that costs much less to produce, you deserve to have your pockets cut open. I'm with Steve Albini on this way. | |
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| Re: stop all the downloadin I remember in 1987 when CD's started to hit critical mass. The record companies - who at the time were charging $8.99 or $9.99 for a record - started charging $14-15 for CDs. And up!!! The reason, they said, was that it was "to recoup the (start-up costs)". Which, as we all know, was complete bu11siht because costs never came down! Then the record companies - whom have NEVER been accused of being consumer friendly - wonder why P2P file sharing has exploded.
Actually, services like iTunes are great if you are looking for a complete album or an obscure track or two. Especially if the album isn't world renowned - for instance, Michael Penn's "March", which I think is great, but most people are like "Wha....?". I had the whole album in 5 minutes. Can't beat that.
On the other hand, popular tracks and other stuff, are just as easy to find on the P2P services without much effort. Not that I would know from experience, of course 
For better or worse, P2P services are also the only place you're going to find most stuff from artists like the Beatles, Led Zep and Dave Matthews. I do not understand why the holdout - what are they waiting for, anyway, a special, artist-only download center? Now that legit music downloads are reaching critical mass, I think artists who do not make their music available for legal download are hurting themselves every day they don't put their stuff out there. But, hey, not my call. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: stop all the downloadin offcoures it doubled i din't know you can download files for free till this whole thing made it to the media | |
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My Katamari's Bigger Than Your Katamari
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What? Stop Looking At Me Like That
join:2003-03-31
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Partial Truth Paid downloads have indeed tripled since last year, so there is some truth to the music industry claims. I think they are just fooling themselves thinking it's the lawsuits that are causing the upswing in track purchases. I think it's more because the stuff is actually being offered in more ways than last year.
It's not the RIAA's iron fist that's improving the Internet download business. It's the fact more people are finding music they want to buy from sites and services they want to buy from. | |
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| hmmmmm.... wouldn't it just be to their benefit to embrace P2P for distrobution, instead of fighting it? The paradigm is shifting but they aren't....I think a lot of this problem is that the Music industry got left behind and are to ashamed to admit it....people don't want to pay outrageous prices for cd's that have one or two good tracks....someone posted why don't they get back to releasing singles again....I think that would be a good idea...
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| Re: hmmmmm.... The problem with allowing P2P to be a distribution tool is that the record labels essentially lose control over that channel. I think the biggest threat P2P poses is that people get to hear music that the major labels aren't promoting. Indy labels have been getting an upswing in album sales mainly because people are actually able to check out the artists online when they had absolutely no outlet in radio or MTV.
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| Re: hmmmmm.... But in doing that they relinquish control. It's that control that insures the "cash cow" artists sell their albums and makes the labels tons of money. Take that away and now the labels have to do business on a level playing field, which actually puts them at a major disadvantage.
They find it better to have a walled garden where you only hear what they want to promote, thus you buy the music they want you to. | |
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| I'll give you an excellent example of how the artists are not profitting from album sales... Jeff Buckley. After Jeff was murdered, a provision in his contract gave all of the profits to Sony, instead of his wife and daughter...I, personally, refuse to support companies who treat their artists no better than they treat us... as merely a source of income. Do they fail to realize that without a source of income, they would be down the business toilet??? The album industry is failing us, and the artists that make them popular. We should, therefore, embrace P2P, and utilize it in a way to send profits directly to the artists, and cut out the Sonys of the world entirely. | |
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1 edit | Re: hmmmmm.... Roger McGuinn (the former lead singer of the Byrds) is
another example of an artist getting the shaft from his
label. The only thing he has ever gotten from it has been
small advances, and not even one penny from royalties off
CD sales.
Indie and non-Big Four affiliated labels do give their
artists a better deal; some, such as DMusic, give the
artist as much as 50%.
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| said by SRFireside :This is a control issue much more than it is a lost revenue issue. Agreed. The labels are utterly scared to death that if P2P takes off, that smaller acts that promote directly and indy labels will leave them with no place at the table -- and so they keep trying to get laws passed that keep them at the head of the table and give them full control of the kitchen.
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| There are a few of them doing it, such as EMI. Shaun
Fanning (the former Napster CEO) started a project called
Snocap which has been integrated into an industry approved
p2p client called Mashboxx. The trouble is that DRM is
being used, and DRM infected files on p2p will never
compete with free unrestricted content or low cost content
such as that of Allofmp3.
As the p2pnet.net article on this put it, if they offered
their music at 25 - 50 cents per track instead of the
ridiculous $1.00 DRM crap being offered now, they would
have made a fortune.
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join:2003-10-01
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| 3...2...1.. [idiotic rant] "Rabid-Foaming-at-the-Mouth" RIAA industry apologist scream---Downloading teh warez is teh illeeegal! It kills baby seals and causes Satanic abortions! You should all be castrated with a rusty chainsaw and shipped off to communist China! SINNERS---[/idiotic rant]
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1 edit | Re: 3...2...1.. (flame removed)
At least when I'm going to do something I do it! When I say I going to DL a record I do it! Personally, I don't give a flying f!@k what anyone else thinks or says! Lastly, RIAA come and get me I'm not like all these cowards! You say I'm stealing along with all these other cowards? Well, ya know where to find me, hehe
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| Re: 3...2...1.. said by askmrauto : Personally, I don't give a flying f!@k what anyone else thinks or says! Lastly, RIAA come and get me I'm not like all these cowards! You say I'm stealing along with all these other cowards? Well, ya know where to find me, hehe Well, yesterday you said you'd come up with an excuse for why you had it. I don't see that as "not giving a flying f!@k".
If you're hiding the stuff and coming up with excuses, you know you've done something wrong.
The thread I'm referring to is located at »If you were summoned by the RIAA
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| Re: 3...2...1.. said by ptrowski :It's always great to know that a company hired this guy as a network admin and he posts it here...just the guy I want keeping my network secure... Wouldn't your boss be so proud? I think they hire internally.
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| P2P less popular... HA! Yea right, recording industry.
FYI, you are still too stupid to adapt to your new reality, hence you are in the denial phase of grieving.
Apple, a technology company, is making the big money here--they're the only reason the recording industry gets anything, and the recording industry should be happy for that. | |
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join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL | Re: P2P less popular... HA! everyone is entitled to live in their own reality;) | |
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join:2003-02-16 | Uh huh, another dslreports failure Think for a second. Everybody has their bias including you. Get a brain. How do you know who's information is false and who's is accurate? You don't, you don't even do research, you just repost some crap and pretend you came up with the article. | |
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| Re: Uh huh, another dslreports failure The "P2P traffic is increasing" research was done by BigChampagne, an "Online Media Measurement" company. According to their About Us page, they supply Billboard with online music charts. The other article doesn't claim any research showing P2P use declining. It only says quotes the IFPI's chairman as saying "We are now seeing real evidence that people are increasingly put off by illegal file-sharing and turning to legal ways of enjoying music online."
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join:2000-03-02 | The industry simply claims p2p interest is waning. Big Champagne - who tracks p2p usage for a living - shows it has doubled since the beginning of file-trading lawsuits. I'm sorry, where was the bias again? | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL | who cares I can download free music or get 12 albums for the price 1 from BMG or a discount album/CD for the local DJ store, Uncle Sams or CD trader. They get their profit regardless. | |
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| Recording industry blew it If the recording industry had embraced Napster in it's heyday they could be making a fortune. The Napster software could have easily been tweaked to track the number of downloads of each track.If You extrapolate the number of users at the time of the shutdown to now I don't think 50 million would be out of line.Multiply that times a monthly membership charge of $10.That would have been a half billion dollar a month revenue stream to split up depending on what percent of downloads were of any given track.Now we have decentralized P2P networks with no controls on them.The recording industry blew it. Napster was the modern rival of the great library and the RIAA burned it. | |
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join:2005-04-05
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Recording industry blew it Yeah and the market research data would have been priceless! They could have sold it many times over and with the help of adds and surveys the data would not have to be music related either. What better way for Pepsi to know how many people like their drinks and commercials. | |
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jordanp12345
join:2004-11-30
Jenkins, KY
| Dont they Realize the stupidity in their Ways. While Legal downloads may have increased I dont think it will last a long time since up until last week. Someone were I work was getting their music exclusivly from legal downloads and when his HDD crashed and he lost all of his songs and money. It changed his mind. "Why would I want to pay for a file when I can download it for free and get rid of all of the hassels of actually trying to enjoy it" (Talking about DRM) | |
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Dont they Realize the stupidity in their Ways. Yep, I bought music from realplayer. And guess what? Under their TOS that is my problem and the user is SOL! They save bandwidth and user learns to back stuff up! | |
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clubs: | Re: Dont they Realize the stupidity in their Ways. What did you get this time? More Will Smith? Maybe some Brttnay Spears? No wait, you must be a Jessica Simpson fan... | |
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| Is Reverse psychology Now being the tactic employed in hopes of slowing P2P usage? Nah,I'n my opinion that won't help or work the **AA already tarnished their sleazy image long timw ago.
To add insult to injury.The **AA started suing it's only revenue base,music lovers.That was the worst move ever made.The **AA in defense of themselves cite "distribution costs".However anyone with a net connection just shot that full of holes,defeating that claim.
Had the **AA jumped into P2P as a friend,not as a foe and made available what the music buying public wants,not the crappy musical direction they demand one go.Everything would have come up roses for them.Now the high price of cd's, one possibly two good songs the rest all garbage.
The same cookie-cutter format,lacking originalty and talent.Hell if anyone deserves to be sued, it's the **AA for promoting and pushing no talent hacks on the music buyers.Make the music in flac format, no DRM and the artists I WANT to buy,as in custom cd.Not the shit you want me to buy.Then we may have a deal,depends on the raping of my wallet.
Where does this leave indy artists not in your "stable"? The **AA don't want that because God forbid the indies out sell their products.P2P due to actions of **AA will not stop,not when the **AA are faning the flames.Forget it,cuz you ain't gonna change it,nor will a perfect alingnment of the planets.One day the news report at BBR will read: The RIAA-stick a fork in them they're done 
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| Think About This... I think _many_ people are missing the real point. The RIAA is not trying to win the battle of collecting profits on each song or CD sold. They are trying to _keep a tight reign on the recording artists_! If it becomes possible to promote/sell your music online then then eventually no one will need to big recording studios to get their music out to the public.
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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| Oh the Humanity.... Gosh this P2P has really delivered it on the chin to Big Music. I feel so bad for them.
Maybe we'd all feel better if we remembered the good times at the RIAA....
Like before 7-29-03 when this price fixing charges were leveled....
»www.theregister.com/2003/07/29/l···g_again/
And before this FTC Collusion ruling of 05/2000
»www.ftc.gov/os/2000/05/cdstatement.htm
And this article detailing two other unfair trade practice investigations dated 05-06-97
»www.lubbockonline.com/news/05079···usic.htm
And this price fixing settlement from 10-01-2002
»www.nytimes.com/2002/10/01/busin···ef=login
And this EU investigation into Price fixing from 07-06-2002
»edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europ···sion.cd/
And it was a master stroke of genius to affix a separate pricing scheme on internet radio in order to drive it out that resulted in this lawsuit....
»www.mosesavalon.com/sep03.htm#web
There are SO MANY OTHER legal memories to share about the RIAA that I can't post them all here.
Hey! I have a question about legal awards in favor of the RIAA.
Remember all those downloader settlements?
And the MP3.com settlement?
And the Napster settlement?
And the bittorrent settlements?
And other settlements?
How much of that money wound up in the pockets of the artists whose music was mugged from them?
How much?
Is Zero really a number?
Oh and speaking of compensation to artists. Here's a dandy chart drawn up by the manager of Nirvana to illustrate a typical CD payout to the band...
»www.negativland.com/albini.html
Lastly but not Leastly....
A Chart drawn up using the RIAA's own financial records that compares year by year, per-cd earnings.
»www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
I really think we should take a minute here and learn from the RIAA how to cry on demand.
For The RIAA! One....Two....Three.....
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| Re: Oh the Humanity.... Steve Albini was the producer not the manager.
its funny at the end of that page on negativland it says he was most widely know for producing the nirvana album, i remember him mostly for his music.
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big black and rapeman.
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@66.100.x.x | You cited Steve Albini! He's the greatest. By the by, he was never Nirvana's manager. He was their producer for In Utero. He's also going to producing my band's EP in February! Rock on Albini! | |
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Lorton, VA | Re: Oh the Humanity.... Sorry....Producer, not manager.
My mistake.
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Lorton, VA | How can I get a copy of your EP?
If I buy it from you I don't have encourage illegal price fixing.
NV
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| Re: Oh the Humanity.... We're designing a new Web page and we're going to self-distribute it through there for cheaper than store prices. We're also working out distribution in England with Rough Trade, but I think Katie (bassist/manager) is getting tired of DIY-everything, so we might look to an indie for US promotion. I just registered here at BBR (finally gave up the hold-out) and will send you a message later on. If you dig Big Black, I think you'll like it. The five songs we want on there are more on the Sonic Youth/Unwound vein, but still hit pretty spastically. | |
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join:2003-01-19 | p2p not popular ??/ music industry burry there head in the sand and tell themself enough times that p2p isnt real and it will go away 
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join:2003-04-11
Mary Esther, FL
| I've never seen so much greed. I bet you all didn't know that artists get something like .99 cents per $20 dollar CD?
The RIAA is one of the most greediest corporations in america today and they need to be bitten in their wallets. If each of you stopped buying CD's and started supporting the artists by dowioading their songs and seeing their concerts then the RIAA will feel the financial pinch.
So tell your friends and your neighborhood teenagers to stop buying CD's STOP supporting this greed, and support those who make the music not those who thrive on their work and exploit them.
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| When you make P2P everyday news more people know People constantly hear this on their TV news, Internet news or wherever. The more attention and publicity they give it, the more its going to grow.
It's like throwing wood and paper into a fire. It is only going to get bigger.
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Canada
| Math time ok lets see.
if we go by the cost per song(which is .99, but for the sake of this i'm going with $1 even)
ok, normal CD is on average 14 - 16 songs, so that's 14 - 16 dollars to download(plus subscripton costs, and creditcard costs).
go to the store and get a hard copy for... $9 - $14USD(unless it's a carey cd, then it seems to somehow be worth more ?), looks like their making more money off the internet then their hard sales, and why can they charge more per song on the net then on a CD, when as you all know there is more to making a CD then there is to making an allready existing(low quality) mp3. | |
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| And if you buy it used, you can often save even more money.
Whenever there is something that I want to buy a CD of, I'll
check RIAA Radar »www.magnetbox.com/riaa/ to see if it
is on the boycott list (IOW produced by a member of the RIAA).
If not, then it is safe to buy new. (The big four and their
subsidiaries get nothing from used CD sales.) I absolutely
refuse to buy new RIAA label CDs, and stopped doing so when
they started suing p2p users.
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