Optimum On-Line: 20MbpsTrial gears up on Long Island ( old news - 09:04AM Thursday Jul 21 2005) tags: bandwidth · cableSome customers in our Cablevision forum note they're being invited to trial a new Optimum On-line 20Mbps downstream/2Mbps upstream speed tier. This trial is different from the 50Mbps ethernet/coax trials being planned for Oyster Bay, although both are direct responses to Fios deployment on Long Island. The e-mail: ----------------------- As an Optimum Online customer, we value your feedback. We know you recognize the power and value of high-speed Internet access. So, today, we would like to provide you with an exclusive invitation, not available to everyone, to participate and provide feedback on a new, even faster level of Optimum Online service. Please be assured there is no additional cost to you to participate. The beta test will run until October 1, 2005, during which time your Optimum Online connection will give you maximum speeds up to 100 percent faster than it does currently — up to 20 Mbps downstream and up to 2 Mbps upstream. See the charts below for details on the increased speed you can experience. We only ask that you give us periodic feedback on your experience with the new Optimum Online service. At the end of the beta test period, you will have the opportunity to upgrade to a new level of Optimum Online service, which includes higher speeds and other enhanced features. Please note that in order to remain an active participant during the beta test, you must remain an active Optimum Online customer in good standing. Thank You, The Optimum Online Team -----------------------
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Frink
Professor
join:2000-07-13
Scotch Plains, NJ
3 edits | Bull Great new speeds...BUT WAIT...actually try to put it to use, and GET CAPPED! | |
|  | Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL | Re: Bull Indeed. I wonder how many minutes of consecutive downloading before this 20/2 turns into 1.5/0.256. | |
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IMHO
| Re: Bull The real quesion is, how many sites anyone visits are capable of providing the corrasponding level of connection?
I mean, great, I can download at 100mbs, but do you think for a minute most of the companies out there are capable of providing servers out there with that kind of return connection?
So far, in many cases, I've found servers where I've been where I want to download something (usually a fairly large file say 600Mb or a Gb of data are not quite up to the task to match what my connection is capable.
So, until these companies get thier networks / servers up to snuff, in a lot of cases having these ultra high speed connections is just fluf.
Now could it be those who are the gamers are the ones driving this? Perhaps, so we benefit from this being able to get the faster speeds, but we aren't likely to really see the benefit until the businesses with the associated file servers embrace the new technology also.
Sure, they will embrace it for thier internal systems, but for external systems I sincerly doubt we'll see much. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Optimum Online
| Re: Bull said by IMHO:
The real quesion is, how many sites anyone visits are capable of providing the corrasponding level of connection?
I mean, great, I can download at 100mbs, but do you think for a minute most of the companies out there are capable of providing servers out there with that kind of return connection?
So far, in many cases, I've found servers where I've been where I want to download something (usually a fairly large file say 600Mb or a Gb of data are not quite up to the task to match what my connection is capable.
So, until these companies get thier networks / servers up to snuff, in a lot of cases having these ultra high speed connections is just fluf.
Now could it be those who are the gamers are the ones driving this? Perhaps, so we benefit from this being able to get the faster speeds, but we aren't likely to really see the benefit until the businesses with the associated file servers embrace the new technology also.
Sure, they will embrace it for thier internal systems, but for external systems I sincerly doubt we'll see much.
Yes, they will be able to provide it. Look at the current day situation. Several years ago most sites were designed to handle dialup only. Now that broadband is the majority here in America, hosting services are sizing up their packages to provide content to the broadband users. If 20, 50, 100mbps connections become the norm, hosting providers will have no choice but to provide that bandwidth or risk losing business. Bandwidth has NO set price. Bandwidth is not a physical thing. Bandwidth is just an amount of "virtual digital data" that has a set price based on the current day price of residential connections. If 100mbit connections are provided cheaply to residential customers, then hosting providers will have a reason to provide 100mbits to each site. It CAN be done. Slowly, it is happening.
Look at residential broadband. FIOS shook everything up with it's wide scale fiber to the premise project. Now several cable companies are upgrading to 15mbps, 16mbps, 20mbps and 8mbps... We're talking about companies who provided little more than (1.5mbps or 3mbps) just a year ago. Things are changing, this is capitalism at it's finest. You can't get the best EVEN if it is available UNLESS some company has the balls to go out on a limb and provide a magnificent service that is widespread. OOL had 10mbps/1mbps all along since day one. The reason why no one else had a need to upgrade is because OOL only services NJ,NY,CT. Also, Verizon DSL feels the heat of OOL here in the NY area because Verizon can't provide more than 1.5mbps or 768kbps to most people here. That is why in the OOL coverage area 3 out of 4 customers choose Optimum Online over any other broadband service.
-Tzale
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| | | | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Bull I agree some what, but you overlook that if residential customers are getting 100mbps connections then the server having that same connection is not enough.
A server that gets thousands or even millions of hit an hour will need a lot more bandwidth then 100mbps especially if it is a server that is hosting downloads. In that case even a 1GB connection wont be good enough. Hosting companies would have to have multiple GB connections to host multiple servers.
Bandwidth will continue to increase and continue to get cheaper but 1GB of bandwidth is a lot and expensive right now.
Only time will tell, but for now there are very few that will provide the download/upload to utilize this. Hell, I have 3mb dsl right now and most of the downloads I get are in the 150-200k range. Every once in a while I will find a place that I can download around 300k at, but they are few and far between. | |
| | | | hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| said by IMHO:
The real quesion is, how many sites anyone visits are capable of providing the corrasponding level of connection?
I mean, great, I can download at 100mbs, but do you think for a minute most of the companies out there are capable of providing servers out there with that kind of return connection?
So far, in many cases, I've found servers where I've been where I want to download something (usually a fairly large file say 600Mb or a Gb of data are not quite up to the task to match what my connection is capable.
So, until these companies get thier networks / servers up to snuff, in a lot of cases having these ultra high speed connections is just fluf.
Now could it be those who are the gamers are the ones driving this? Perhaps, so we benefit from this being able to get the faster speeds, but we aren't likely to really see the benefit until the businesses with the associated file servers embrace the new technology also.
Sure, they will embrace it for thier internal systems, but for external systems I sincerly doubt we'll see much.
BT will stuff it..:)
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AcidDevil
join:2002-07-02
7th Layer
| said by Frink  :Great new speeds...BUT WAIT...actually try to put it to use, and GET CAPPED! Excatly.....I don't care...what marketing crap OOL pulls I still say FIOS here I come.....when they decide to come that is...:D:D
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| Aleck79
join:2003-07-23
College Station, TX | Caps they are going to get a lot of feedback on the caps...maybe they will see that this is what is killing their market share and losen them, at least a little bit. | |
| | Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| Re: Caps said by Aleck79 :they are going to get a lot of feedback on the caps...maybe they will see that this is what is killing their market share and losen them, at least a little bit. All it takes is a huge advertising blizts about caps that will hurt cable.
AS really cool ad with someone really enjoying the internet and then some evil looking cable guy yanking the plug. The new slogan "Cable pay more get less" | |
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pipdipchip
8 Megabits A Second
Premium
join:2003-12-04
Hanover, MN | DOCSIS? What version of DOCSIS are they using? DOCSIS doesn't.exist.yet? I highly, highly doubt anyone will be getting 20Mbps download speeds.
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| | | | | doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
| Re: DOCSIS? said by Time :said by pipdipchip :What version of DOCSIS are they using? DOCSIS doesn't.exist.yet? I highly, highly doubt anyone will be getting 20Mbps download speeds. DOCSIS does exists. DOCSIS 3.0 doesn't  And the answer is DOCSIS V2.0!!! Exists and it's approved
for 20/2 operation.
Presently OOL is using DOCSIS V1.1 headends. Which are
10/1 devices.
DOCSIS V3.0 is a cable modem pipe dream. Nice on paper
but notbody has it yet. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
·Comcast
| Re: DOCSIS? Uhm, my 2.5 year old Motorola SurfBoard 4200 is a DOCSIS 1.1 device capable of 24/10 Mbps. Don't understand why would then OOL need to upgrade the network and cable modems to provide 20/2 Mbps? From the cited letter, no device upgrade was mentioned. | |
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join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
| Re: DOCSIS? said by verolom :Uhm, my 2.5 year old Motorola SurfBoard 4200 is a DOCSIS 1.1 device capable of 24/10 Mbps. Don't understand why would then OOL need to upgrade the network and cable modems to provide 20/2 Mbps? From the cited letter, no device upgrade was mentioned. The SB4200 is V2.0 capable (I think) I know the SB5100
is, it's the one I got. Would love to get an invite. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
·Comcast
| Re: DOCSIS? The SB4200 is a DOCSIS 1.1 device. »www.cablemodem.com/specifications/ gives the specs of DOCSIS and it appears that the speed promised by OOL is achievable with DOCSIS 1.1. Of course 2.0 is better and backwards compatible so even people with 1.1 devices will probably see speed improvement. | |
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WillWorkforBandwidth
@comcast.net
|  Re: DOCSIS?
SB 4100 = DOCSIS 1.1 max of 15 Gbps down 1.5Mbps up
SB 5100/5120 = DOCSIS 2.0 max of 30 Gbps down 3.0Mbps up
SB XXXX = DOCSIS 3.0 max of 150 Gbps down 15.0 up due out in 2007 according to Motorola. WAY ahead of comcast!
The whitepaper did not address caps or burst speeds. | |
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Upandown
@mindspring.com | Cap + Cap is Crap This is Buld S+**t Just Give me good Prices... I'm ok with 5down 2up... and also here in New yOrk city mmaaaaaannn..deeemmm shi*YT. | |
| | | Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Re: Only meaningful for big file transfers They mean something to any one doing vpn to work. The higher speeds the more viable it will be for companies to have work at home days, this will be good in conserving gas for many. | |
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chrissy460
Premium
join:2005-06-24
97220-5013 | Streaming video and streaming music with TV and Movies coming over the Internet soon. That is where the big pipes will be needed. | |
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Grumpy
Premium
join:2001-07-28
99999
clubs: | Raising the bar I'll stick with the old saying: "You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much bandwidth."
Hats off to OOL for raising the bar a little higher, so that others may follow. | |
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Kayrac
Premium
join:2001-09-29
Rochester, NH
3 edits | comcast no cap so far at 147gigz so far in july with comcast and no caps.....if i ever got capped i'd simply switch to verizon, i pay them the cash for this, if they don't plan on letting me use my 8megs, they shouldn't offer it
i'd also take my 100$ cable bill elsewhere, ah the loves of choices 
and probably start a smear campeigh vs them, starting here at this major forum :P | |
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removed
Crisis Management Squad
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
clubs: | Re: comcast no cap so far They do have transfer limits... just ask jonez | |
| | | Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| Re: comcast no cap so far said by removed :They do have transfer limits... just ask jonez I think it is more a function of where you live and the effect your downloading has on others. | |
| jboyo
join:2004-06-10
North York, ON
1 edit | Cynics While I can see why few people here really care about such speeds now (especially when they cost an arm and a leg) I can just imagine in the near future when full apps are developed to be used soley over a network connection (like I use with my VPN) instead of being installed locally (unless this already exists and Im behind the times)...in my case, for example, pushing huge graphics files over a paltry 3mbs line at home takes forever over the VPN- saving those files back to my work machine also takes SOOOoo long!
I think anything that speeds up the process is excellent (of course, money will be a huge deterent of course) | |
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markwp2001
Spreadhead
Premium
join:2002-05-25
Long Beach, MS | Re: Cynics Exactly - put the speed in place, the apps and the usage will follow.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| More Bandwidth, Same or More Caps! While I like and encourage OOL to upgrade its already excellent bandwidth (10mbps/1mbps) to 20mbps/2mbps for the same price, I must say that there are A LOT of people who are having bandwidth problems. There are a lot of people who can't get anywhere near 10mbps/1mbps. I still get 9.5mbps/900kbps, like I did since day one. Another thing is that they will probably continue to cap the connections when someone dare tries to use the upload bandwidth. While I have never been capped, and I have uploaded 1 GB files on multiple occasions, there are plenty of people who HAVE been capped. Also OOL throttled myself and several others a few months ago for only a few weeks. What happened was that after ten minutes or so (sometimes less or more) people downloading non stop at full speed would be capped to 3.5mbps. There was front page news here at BBR and in the OOL forum and people complained and lowered OOLs #1 or #2 rating to a very low bronze rating. A day or two after this, OOL took off the throttling. The throttling was only temporary, it would last for a few minutes after a download ended. The upload caps are what I don't like because you have to call them to get them removed and after three times they can throw you off the network. As long as they become liberal with their bandwidth again and maintain the same quality of service I have and don't make us afraid to use the service, I'll stick with it. But what I think is a problem is that OOL advertises itself as 3X faster than Verizon DSL, and this is NOT true when they cap. So therefore, I conclude that OOL doesn't include capped speeds as there "normal speeds." So if this is true, OOL will probably raise the caps but keep the same or equivalent upload caps like they have now.
I know I will be going to FIOS, but this cable connection will be nice for the time. I know I will be going to FIOS if OOL maintains it's crappy capping policies.
-Tzale | |
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jwersan
R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, and Max.
Premium
join:2004-12-20
Port Jefferson Station, NY
clubs:
·Optimum Online
| Re: More Bandwidth, Same or More Caps! said by Tzale : I know I will be going to FIOS, but this cable connection will be nice for the time. I know I will be going to FIOS if OOL maintains it's crappy capping policies. -Tzale This is the truth!
My take on this is that all it will mean is that OOL will have even MORE issues with node overloading and that they will be capping even more... | |
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ExecPro
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Long Beach, NY
 ·BroadVoice
| Signals... Knowing that signals vastly affect the speeds that you can get from your OOL connection, how can they really say that they will be able to double the speed? I mean, right now they say we can get up to 10Mbps, and even at my old house the most I ever got was 9200Kbps, here at my new dwelling I only get 8000Kbps. Just doesn't seem feasible. At least we know that fiber isn't effected by distance and signals. I think I still would make the switch to FIOS. | |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Re: Signals... said by ExecPro :Knowing that signals vastly affect the speeds that you can get from your OOL connection, how can they really say that they will be able to double the speed? I mean, right now they say we can get up to 10Mbps, and even at my old house the most I ever got was 9200Kbps, here at my new dwelling I only get 8000Kbps. Just doesn't seem feasible. At least we know that fiber isn't effected by distance and signals. I think I still would make the switch to FIOS. Signals do not affect the bandwidth you get. They do with DSL but not with cable. Cable's speeds are effected by neighbors sharing the bandwidth and / or bad bandwidth management at the CMTS. Nothing to do with signals. If you can get connected, you can get max speeds. Also, just so you know 8000kbps is FINE with OOL. NO ONE can get 10mbps. OOL is capped at 10mbps / 1mbps and due to hardware limitations (the modem) the service can only provide on average 8000-9500kbps because there is a need for overhead.
If OOL were to provide 20mbps/2mbps the max you'd probably receive would be 18-19mbps/1.5-1.8mbps.
-Tzale
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: | Re: Signals... Wow.. CV Caps on downloads now? | |
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MikegotOOL
join:2001-01-21
East Setauket, NY
clubs: | Re: Signals... said by Subaru :Wow.. CV Caps on downloads now? Lucky you;) | |
| | | compton
join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| said by Tzale :said by ExecPro :Knowing that signals vastly affect the speeds that you can get from your OOL connection, how can they really say that they will be able to double the speed? I mean, right now they say we can get up to 10Mbps, and even at my old house the most I ever got was 9200Kbps, here at my new dwelling I only get 8000Kbps. Just doesn't seem feasible. At least we know that fiber isn't effected by distance and signals. I think I still would make the switch to FIOS. Signals do not affect the bandwidth you get. They do with DSL but not with cable. Cable's speeds are effected by neighbors sharing the bandwidth and / or bad bandwidth management at the CMTS. Nothing to do with signals. If you can get connected, you can get max speeds. Also, just so you know 8000kbps is FINE with OOL. NO ONE can get 10mbps. OOL is capped at 10mbps / 1mbps and due to hardware limitations (the modem) the service can only provide on average 8000-9500kbps because there is a need for overhead. If OOL were to provide 20mbps/2mbps the max you'd probably receive would be 18-19mbps/1.5-1.8mbps. -Tzale I think you are right. It seems that OOL shaves 10% off your download and upload. I guess that OOL uses 10% for overhead. | |
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ExecPro
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Long Beach, NY
·BroadVoice
| said by Tzale :said by ExecPro :Knowing that signals vastly affect the speeds that you can get from your OOL connection, how can they really say that they will be able to double the speed? I mean, right now they say we can get up to 10Mbps, and even at my old house the most I ever got was 9200Kbps, here at my new dwelling I only get 8000Kbps. Just doesn't seem feasible. At least we know that fiber isn't effected by distance and signals. I think I still would make the switch to FIOS. Signals do not affect the bandwidth you get. They do with DSL but not with cable. Cable's speeds are effected by neighbors sharing the bandwidth and / or bad bandwidth management at the CMTS. Nothing to do with signals. If you can get connected, you can get max speeds. Also, just so you know 8000kbps is FINE with OOL. NO ONE can get 10mbps. OOL is capped at 10mbps / 1mbps and due to hardware limitations (the modem) the service can only provide on average 8000-9500kbps because there is a need for overhead. If OOL were to provide 20mbps/2mbps the max you'd probably receive would be 18-19mbps/1.5-1.8mbps. -Tzale I'm not sure about that, signals do effect speed. When I first moved into my old house, I had the cable modem hooked up to the line that was present in the house. A couple weeks later I replaced it with a direct run, and after doing so my speed vastly improved. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| said by Tzale :]Signals do not affect the bandwidth you get. They do with DSL but not with cable. Cable's speeds are effected by neighbors sharing the bandwidth and / or bad bandwidth management at the CMTS. Nothing to do with signals. If you can get connected, you can get max speeds No, not at all. If your line is full of noise, you won't see the full speed. Ask any of the resident CMTS techs. Noise/Interference = decrease in speed. | |
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appologiesnecessary
| Cablevision owes over 400,000 appologies! The oversold nature of the docis infrastructure in the past 2 years leads me to believe cablevision is NOT sincere with speed upgrades and node architechture improvements. Plus, they have alot to make up for public-relations wise. Untold tens of thousands of subscribers are itching to switch to an alternative (FTTP) broadband that is more consistent in delivering what is promised. While no one can guarantee internet speeds out on the world wide web to be anything near the 'speed caps' imposed and advertised as 10/1, but there becomes a way to leverage nodes to be in an oversold, and undermaintained state that causes customers to lose faith in the QUALITY OF SERVICE, versus a comparable competitor service (namely dsl, or fiber). Neither a $30 triple play package, or door-to-door marketing will get you out of the slump in customer base you are expected to cede to Verizon. Simply put, you owe an appology for the type of hybrid, alzheimer's laden marketing on par with our political leaders.
Its weapons of mass deception you fools, not destruction. Kind of like the 15 year old car you keep shoveling money into to keep running, that's what you reward cablevision for by paying for their services, and I mean ALL of them, Internet, Video and TELEPHONE. | |
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BourneKilla
join:2005-04-12 | Re: Cablevision owes over 400,000 appologies! A steady reliable broadband internet connection will get my money over speed any day. | |
| jibaro5
join:2004-03-13
Bronx, NY | I will use the extra bandwidth to download gigs of I will use my increased sppeds to download songs from yahoo music unlimited. On verizon dsl it takes 5 minutes for 1 album. With this it should take less than 60 seconds. I wish yahoo would offer movie downloads unlimited for one set price... | |
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sherman10570
join:2000-10-15
Pleasantville, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| 2Mbps upload? Can they sustain that? From what I understand, it is very costly to add another CMTS to a neighbourhood. Remember that 5.5Mbps is the max for every 300-400 home neighbourhood Cablevision serves.
I would rather have faster access to their news servers than the 20Mbps downloads. I'm lucky to fill the 10Mbps as it is...
- Sherman | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| node upgrades To trial a new service, it would seem they have to specifically build out narad based node infrastructure for anything beyond 38mbit per user.
Well I'm gonna guess the the rumor mill has sorted out a preliminary month for the 20/2 upgrade as being October system wide and 50/50 for Nassau pending 100% buildout and FIOS FRANCHISE TV RIGHTS COUNTY-WIDE for 2006.
Verizon can meet 50/50 without any significant upgrades of equipmetn despite the claim that 30/5 per user is the maxwithout gpon, simply not true. If supplemental fibers need to run, that is entirely possible, but not likely as hardware upgrades are relatively inexpensive but not necessarly all the way up to 100/100 per user. Right now people assume 100% penetration of use in each fiber node, that's not realistic even with a marketing blitz and a potential triple play being 1/2 the price of cablevision's.
So, the maximum use of the nodes won't come for some time, and by that time guess what? gpon and beyond will be dirt cheap when necessary.
The clock is ticking, franchise rights will be secured soon, and TV is coming to a verizon town near you, so bring on the 20/2, 50/50. | |
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