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| Re: Its like rain on your wedding day I think if they had a flat rate price around 2 dollars a month for everything on p2p networks then many people would do it. 50 cents per a song is crazy talk, more like 2cents a song or around that. 
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| RIAA must be doing something wrong if P2P use is still going up then clearly the RIAA is missing something. Itunes is a good idea but its clear that many people want a DRMfree music service. atm only illegal methods are DRMfree.
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Chiyo
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clubs: | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong Well now the **AA will just increase law suits and now will flex there political power even more if they can.. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong I think the RIAA is somewhat happy with the result of their lawsuits. They firmly believe that P2P usage would have quadrupled (or more) over the same time frame if they hadn't begun filing suits. | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by Cyron  : They firmly believe that P2P usage would have quadrupled (or more) over the same time frame if they hadn't begun filing suits. This is the RIAA we're talking about. Quadrupled is no where near enough  | |
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1 edit | I agree... I would rather spend the extra few bucks for the physical cd and rip it myself to have drm free music than buy if online. Because of this many people will continue to download via p2p until the music industry embraces technology (not drm technology) | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by Nightfall :So what is an acceptable price? .50 cents? .25 cents? For some people, the answer would be "that depends". For some people, it's far easier to justify spending $1/song when you know that most of that $1 is going to the artist or even the music service provider and not an organization that hates the music-buying public.
That said, when I've gone to music stores, the per-song price of the physical CD was not terribly much more than that of the downloads from iTunes. However, getting the actual CD, I would get:
•physical media
•printed materials
•DRM-free content
So, the value the CD still seems to be relatively higher than the price on iTunes (barring the fact of the relative percentage of crap tracks).
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| .2 cents. And I don't mean my opinion. I mean, that's the acceptable price. How do I know? Allofmp3.com is still in business and only growing it seems. I've heard from plenty of people who have gone from "free" (i.e. mostly crappy quality releases) to cheap, quality-full releases from allofmp3.
Like some people say: If the RIAA can offer DRM-free music at an acceptable price and format, it's all good. If not, well then, I guess we'll all be commenting again in another P2P "statistics" thread, not to far off (and there's a new study every other month it seems)...
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by SunSpot :... Allofmp3.com is still in business and only growing it seems. I've heard from plenty of people who have gone from "free" (i.e. mostly crappy quality releases) to cheap, quality-full releases from allofmp3... Yeah but allofmp3.com is a Russian site that the RIAA can't touch because it paid off the Government officials to turn a blind eye. If you download a song on allofmp3 the artist gets just about as much royalties as if you downloaded it from p2p!
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Warren, MI
| Regardless of DRM people will still download through P2P because it's free. CDs are DRM free, always have been. They're even better quality then MP3s and the music on them is easily convertible to any other format (MP3, windows media, etc). Yet people still use P2P.
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1 edit | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by stet :Regardless of DRM people will still download through P2P because it's free. CDs are DRM free, always have been. They're even better quality then MP3s and the music on them is easily convertible to any other format (MP3, windows media, etc). Yet people still use P2P. The difference in quality between MP3s and CDs is mininal those days. A normal variable bit rate file (LAME --alt-preset standard or extreme) is indisguishable. You just got to know what MP3s to download.
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong I have to disagree. There is clear audible difference between an MP3 (even one ripped at the highest bitrate possible) and a CD. To my ears, MP3s are flat, tinny and lack the dynamic range of a CD... all results of their compression. In addition, a marginal CD-ROM or iffy ripping software can add yet more audible artifacts. A good pair of headphones can highlight the quality problems in any compression audio format.
Granted, CD audio itself is no perfect source, but I'll take it over MP3 (or any of the other compression types) any day. | |
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join:2003-09-26
Elko, NV | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong It's funny, but to my ear CD's are flat, tinny and lack the dynamic range of a well made vinyl record. The only thing is that with use even with the best of care vinyl records eventually get some surface noise, but I'm willing to live with that. | |
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join:2002-09-18
Palatine, IL
| A good pair of headphones can highlight the quality problems in any compression audio format. Sorry, but that just isn't true. There are plenty of lossless compression techniques that will result in exactly the same digital stream being presented to the D/A converter. If you think you can hear the difference in them, then I have a $200 power cord to sell you.
I'm also willing to bet that in a blind comparison with properly set levels, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a track on an audio CD and a lossy compressed format that resulted in a 60-80% size reduction. | |
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US | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong here here. Lossy compression has come a long way! Remove the placebo potential in a test by making it doubly blind and then post your results. Until then your opinion has to be taken with a grain of salt. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| I wouldn't go so far as to say 80% is lossless. At least not on an mp3. There is some merit to saying you can hear the difference between a compressed audio file (mp3, ogg, wma, etc) and the real thing... especially when highly compressed like 128k. | |
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| said by Unxchay :I have to disagree. There is clear audible difference between an MP3 (even one ripped at the highest bitrate possible) and a CD. ...{snippage}... Granted, CD audio itself is no perfect source, but I'll take it over MP3 (or any of the other compression types) any day. Try FLAC, the Free Lossless Audio Codec, written by Josh Coalson. Get it at »flac.sourceforge.net. There's plugins for WinAmp, and several other products. The encoded files are significantly larger than MP3s, averaging roughly 60% the size of the same content in a WAV file. Compression on any individual track can range from 20% to 80%.... | |
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join:2003-10-14
Milwaukee, WI
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| I'm not an expert in the various audio formats available, so it may be true that there are less lossy compression formats. But I think "lossless compression" is an oxymoron. Why then do SACD's and DVD-Audio contain so much more data for the same given musical selection? It can't all be 5.1 since a lot of music isn't recorded that way.
I've played the "analog vs. rip" game with myself and won. I've taken an audio CD and ripped a track or two into digital format (MP3, WMA & OGG.) Then I've played them back & forth, first directly from CD-ROM, then from the ripped track. The equipment I used to do this was nothing terribly high-end... an older Plextor CD-RW, el-cheapo AOpen soundcard & a broken-in pair of Grado SR-60 headphones.
The compressed tracks clearly sounded worse than the CD. Cymbals sounded tinny and thin, vocals were less mellow, guitars had a metallic crackle. Piano is especially terrible in a compressed file, I'm not sure why. The lower frequencies weren't as clearly bad, but they are also harder to distinguish.
I'm no audiophile, too many fireworks and time @ the shooting range. But I still maintain that MP3's, even ripped with the best possible hardware & encoding software, sound worse than their original audio CD sources. | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong Lossless compression is not an oxymoron. There are truly lossless compression algorithms. FLAC is just one of them. Monkey's Audio APE format is another. You've also got WavPack, LPAC and RKAU. All lossless. If compression were inherrently lossy, how could you ever install a program or game, or use a ZIP or RAR archive without producing corrupted files upon decompression? Certain audio codecs (lossy ones) like mp3, ogg, wma, aac, etc, only approximate what each sample should be, and then compress that. That's why there's an audible difference between 64k, 128k and 320k encoded files. Higher bitrates increase the amount of data stored in each sample, increasing precision.
SACD and DVD-A have a higher sampling and bitrate compared to regular CDs. CDs are 16 bit audio sampled at 44.1khz. DVD-A uses 24 bit audio sampled at 96khz, most of the time. Surround sound or particularly long recordings may only use 48khz sampling. And while most music isn't recorded in 5.1, considering that most music is recorded with multiple tracks, it's easy to do 5.1. The entire band doesn't play at the same time while recording. With pop music it's even easier. And yes, most audio is recorded at 24bit, 96khz. That's what separates true professional quality audio from consumer level stuff. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Sure people will always use P2P because they would rather get their teeth pulled than pay for something. However P2P users don't just download and run. Many still purchase CDs, DVDs, Software, you name it. Many still use P2P as a tool to find new music (or whatever) and get a chance to try it out before forking over the high cost (for CDs at least)of owning a copy.
Of course you also have those who just don't see justification for spending $14+ on a CD when that price just doesn't compete with other comparable entertainment sources. Namely DVDs, which are selling for $16 or less on new releases and tend to have much more content than a 10-16 track audio only CD.
Basically if the RIAA wants to compete with free they have to make their product more enticing. Lower prices are a start. Also offer some additional content on the CD instead of just music. Weird Al's last CD had home movies and exclusive mp3 mixes on it. It doesn't take much to give more on the CD like lyric sheets, photos, interactive stuff, you name it.
Also they need to stop with the stranglehold. Lawsuits aren't working and they are alienating their customer base. DRM software on CD's restricts fair use too often, thus again alienating their fan base. All intellectual property industries have to contend with their product being traded around. That's just the cost of doing business. The thing is trading leads to more sales. They need to focus on the real criminals: bootleggers who sell unauthorized copies on the streets and REAL pirates who steal album shipments and sell them off in the seedier markets.
The problem isn't the file trading. The problem is the response being made to file trading. | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by Yowzaaah :said by Vivi :it's pretty simple...you can't compete with free. Two words for you... Bottled Water. You are still paying for a quality product. The water in some areas I wouldn't give to my own worst enemy. You are paying a small cost for purification, packaging, bottling, shipping, etc.
So in short, you are paying for something....quality.
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong Most bottled water is nothing more than the local municipal water supply placed in a pretty package with a marketing campaign.
After all.....Evian is naive spelled backward.
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SRFireside
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| said by Nightfall :You are still paying for a quality product. The water in some areas I wouldn't give to my own worst enemy. You are paying a small cost for purification, packaging, bottling, shipping, etc. So in short, you are paying for something....quality. Same can be said for purchasing a CD instead of downloading. Uncompressed, lossless fidelity along with a pressed hard copy that can hold cover art, lyrics, production information and whatnot. People do pay for quality, even if it's only perceived quality (for those who cite bottled municipal water). | |
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2 edits | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by SRFireside :said by Nightfall :You are still paying for a quality product. The water in some areas I wouldn't give to my own worst enemy. You are paying a small cost for purification, packaging, bottling, shipping, etc. So in short, you are paying for something....quality. Same can be said for purchasing a CD instead of downloading. Uncompressed, lossless fidelity along with a pressed hard copy that can hold cover art, lyrics, production information and whatnot. People do pay for quality, even if it's only perceived quality (for those who cite bottled municipal water). Well, without going into the whole "lost sale" discussion again like we always seem to do in these kinds of threads, I see your point.
So why is music being traded at such a high rate then? It is very simple. Why spend $15 on the CD when you can download the whole album for free? Music isn't a consumable product for the most part. Is bottled water a fair comparison to music cds? I say yes and no at the same time based on the fact that you aren't comparing 2 comparable products.
Look at DVD movies for example. Why are DVD movies selling so well? People are more entertained by movies? More extras? No real way to make duplicates of full DVD movies without recoding them or splitting them between 2 discs? (We all know how those flipper DVD's like Se7en worked out.) The price is about the same for the most part.
Sure, you can say a music cd has crap and filler on them. Maybe that is the problem most people have are the fact that every song is not a hit. Unless you are a great fan of the band that is. Then, the $15 price tag is worth it. Otherwise, it is a ripoff.
I know a few small bands who sell cds in local stores to bring money in. They do small clubs around the area, but they aren't mainstream music thats for sure. Their latest album is traded on the sharing services. They see it as an advantage and a disadvantage. Sure, they are getting free advertising, but at the same time they are losing money from it. They know that people are downloading instead of buying. I have to agree with them when I see other people downloading and sharing gigs of music who haven't bought a cd in years.
If I was a musician, it would be a bitter pill for me to swallow thats for sure. P2P use is growing. The people I know who make shareware and small time bands are seeing their products get distributed over the internet for free. As a photographer, I do a little freelance work here and there for various publications. I even do a little work for "free advertising". The thing I have realized is that the free advertising option is a good one in photography since all my work is original based on the project. In the music and software industry, the "free advertising" over P2P involves giving out your work and hoping that people will buy based on that. Based on the released product in a practically lossless format.
You have to see the inherant problem with that kind of reasoning.
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SRFireside
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Houston, TX
| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong I think the reason music is traded as strong as it is comes from a couple reasons. One, I believe, is because the record labels have pushed certain songs and artists into the public psyche to such an extent that people feel like they have to hear these artists. No matter how shallow the music is the radio plays it every hour. MTV won't stop talking about them. I think this is why most teens out there are downloading singles. That's what they are getting pushed to want.
Ironically I believe most of the music downloads out there are indeed these top 40 artists that the record labels push to the public as if there is no tomorrow. In that case apparently the sharing of song files hasn't really damaged their livelihood, as they keep selling hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of albums. If you look at what the RIAA targets in their lawsuits it normally is either an upload of some current pop star or a long established, yet still popular, artist that is practically still a household name.
Another push in downloading, believe it or not, I believe comes from people looking for old songs they just cannot find any more. Granted most of those songs are available for purchase somewhere, but I believe that at least some of the downloaders have owned previous copies before. This might sound like speculation, but I strongly believe this is the second largest set of file traders out there.
We both know the greedy ones are uploading/downloading anything they can get their grubby paws on apparently just so they have some bragging rights. I don't call them music fans and prefer to just ignore the stench that comes from them. I still don't believe they are the majority. Not only that but I believe as many of them grow older and start getting real jobs they start respecting the system and will be buying their favorites any way.
In regards to your friends who see their music being traded yeah it can seem like a two-edged sword. Their biggest enemy in that scenario isn't the file trading, but the lack of marketing that would get the music out beyond the local record stores. I would suggest telling them about making a retail web site and seed the P2P networks with mp3's that have the url somewhere in the id3 tags (notes or lyrics section maybe). Also I know Amazon deals with individual vendors so maybe they can set up shop there as well. Amazon is also a great way to gain exposure as well.
Sure P2P isn't all roses and angels for the artists, but I believe it's the start of something very momentous. A revolution, if you will, that will redefine the way the music industry sees itself and its customers. For too long the record companies have made music, a basic art form, a soulless commodity. Not that P2P will be the great saviour or music as an art form, but I think it's an evolutionary step toward getting back to what our founding fathers have intended art and the way we regard the artists should be. | |
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razzorr
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Fort Smith, AR
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| Funny thing is sometimes using P2P has nothing to do with music or movies. Sometimes it is a good way to send Demos and other files that are not illegal to send. Like my car files for a racing game I play. Why does everyone think there is no legal use with P2P's. | |
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guitarzan
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Skytop, PA
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by Nightfall :said by Kearnstd :if P2P use is still going up then clearly the RIAA is missing something. Itunes is a good idea but its clear that many people want a DRMfree music service. atm only illegal methods are DRMfree. A majority of the users out there could care less about DRM. It all comes down to one thing.... Money Why spend money on the CD when you can get it for free? Why spend money on Itunes when you can get each song you want for free? Why spend money on software like Photoshop when you can get it for free? Why spend money on DVDs when you can download full DVD rips for free? Yea, I know certain people have answers to these questions already lined up. Some would rather spend money on a quality movie, software, or music CD if it was done well or it is a tool they need. However, most people on P2P see it as a way to not spend money on something they want/need. Exactly !! Add drm into the mix.Broadcast flags on DVD's.Sneaky starforce installs on games.Online game/software regestration requirements to play or activate "your purchased" copy.Low or no quality bitrate songs.
All that is adding up,not in their favor,as we plainly see.Actually they already have been alienating their customer base.Have been for some time now, the numbers speak for themselves.Toss in lawsuits and lawyers.
The **AA's have only created a unifying force against then,that through multiplying numbers will win.Can it be called the cause and effect.?Something along the likes of.You sued my friend,not only will I never buy a cd again.I will download more just to spite you bastids.The RIAA turned a mole hill into a mountain.
They are no longer in control of the current running off it,which they created in the first place.As for games and software,why on earth after being labeled a pirate.Would one feel compelled to do their song and dance routine.? When one can obtain a free cracked version,that not only works but bypasses these numbnuts to begin with.? | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong And while you are talking money, how about a commonplace set-up that allows me to purchase songs without using a credit card? Personally, I avoid the things at all costs.
My 13 year old brother has JUST gotten his first bank account. He has never been shy about going to 7-11 to spend money, or buying anything else he wants when the money is there. He downloads more music than anyone in the home. Give him a quick and easy way to buy songs, that suits a 13 year old. Sell prepaid cards at 7-11. Make it easy, and make it front and center in his consciousness to use a paid service, instead of free. Personally, I buy a lot of CDs. I do use a p2p service when I want a particular song, and only that song, and especially if I want it now, instead of waiting until the store is open, or has the disc.
A paid service would be easier, therefore I would be more prone to use it, IF you can offer me an easy way to pay for it without using credit cards, paypal, etc. When I pay bills or buy things, I want to pay for it NOW, and I want the transaction to be essentially instantaneous from my end. Until you can offer that, I'm not interested. | |
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1 edit | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by JimmySask :And while you are talking money, how about a commonplace set-up that allows me to purchase songs without using a credit card? Personally, I avoid the things at all costs. A paid service would be easier, therefore I would be more prone to use it, IF you can offer me an easy way to pay for it without using credit cards, paypal, etc. When I pay bills or buy things, I want to pay for it NOW, and I want the transaction to be essentially instantaneous from my end. Until you can offer that, I'm not interested. Maybe something on the order of Best Buy's reward zone with no expiration? Where it's like a credit card yet only redeemable for online music purchase.The music must be high quality,non DRM.All sales final meaning, IT'S yours bottom line thats it.No wah wah wah by the RIAA it's now yours end of story. | |
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by guitarzan :Maybe something on the order of Best Buy's reward zone with no expiration? Where it's like a credit card yet only redeemable for online music purchase.The music must be high quality,non DRM.All sales final meaning, IT'S yours bottom line thats it.No wah wah wah by the RIAA it's now yours end of story. To be fair, Napster and iTunes already have prepaid cards that you can buy at various retail stores. You can pick up the Napster cards at Best Buy, Radio Shack, Rite Aid, Target, and I think CompUSA for $14.85 per 15 tracks. I use Napster and don't have a credit card subscription.
It'd be nicer if they had more cards available in more places teen buyers are likely to go (7-11, Gamestop, Hot Topic, etc.).
There are other issues that I have with iTunes and Napster, but I'll save those for another post.
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clubs: | Exactly, And music that is DRM protected is in violation of Fair Use rights anyway. So I guess "An eye for an eye" is the play of choice by the opposing team, ey? | |
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stet
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1 edit | Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong said by ctceo :And music that is DRM protected is in violation of Fair Use rights anyway. Can you please point out to me where in copyright law this is mentioned?
Here's a direct link if you need it:
»www.copyright.gov/title17/circ92.pdf
I just don't see how DRM is a violation of fair use as defined by law.
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| Re: RIAA must be doing something wrong If DRM is keeping somebody from making a copy for their own personal use it is indeed violating fair use. Whether it be a backup copy or a "mix" CD for your car if DRM is keeping you from enjoying the music you paid for it's interfering with your rights as a licensee. | |
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guitarzan
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| said by ctceo :Exactly, And music that is DRM protected is in violation of Fair Use rights anyway. So I guess "An eye for an eye" is the play of choice by the opposing team, ey? That appears to be the isue at hand.In my opinion that seems to be happening.The P2P use is increasing not declining regarding attempts to stop it.
By constantly drawing attention to what their trying to limit not stop.It's having the unexpected result of increasing P2P.Maybe that's their aim all along while crying poverty.?
The end result of these uncontested lawsuits.? Pure profit increasing the cash flow,While sales may have dipped slightly.? One can't expect a record breaking profit margin year after year.Lawsuits have neatly taken care of that.:D Is that taxable income.? | |
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fcisler
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| The just sell garbage... Hmmm....
My monthly budget (including rent, internet, TV, gas, insurance, etc) but NOT including any personal spending money - exceeds my gross monthly income by $200. Each and every month, i have to pickup "side jobs" for spendage and to make up that $200.
And the MPAA expect me to go out and pay $10 to see a movie that might SUCK. Nope. Don't think so.
I think i'll DOWNLOAD IT. If it sucks, well then it's deleted. If i like it (very few and far between), then i'll buy the DVD when it comes out.
The RIAA also wants me to go out and buy a CD (let's assume $15). Wow. A total of THREE good songs. NOPE.
Again, if I ENJOY it then I go out and BUY IT. Don't give me the "napster is $0.99 a song" or "iTunes is XXX" - NO DRM. It's not cause im a music tzar and need it...but i don't use windows all the time. Besides that, 1) Apples AAC 128 ain't cutting it for me and 2) If I WERE to buy napster, I still want my music when I cancel.
I'm not gonna complain and moan "oh im poor blah blah blah". I'm not gonna whine "My OOL speed is ONLY 3/.5". I'm gonna ask myself "Should I take this $10 and go watch Batman Begins, or should I eat for 2 days?". I don't wanna hear "maybe you should get a better job" or "go to college" or whatever. This is my situation. I've chosen it. I have reasons. Not complaining...simply saying that too many artists/producers put out GARBAGE, and I don't have the funds to "filter" out my likes/dislikes the "legal" way. | |
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Seeing From a New Level
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Humble, TX | How Quickly We Forget Wow, this goes to show that we, as people, tend to believe that if the media doesn't report it, it must not exist. | |
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Rockville, MD | HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! nuff said | |
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urheadedfortheslamme
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mrchris
| That's great ! More opportunity to catch and prosecute Pirates and put them in jail where they belong. This is like catching fish (or suckers) in a barrel!
Gotta love it! Pirates too dumb to know when to quit!
Lock all the scumbags in prison where they belong! | |
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PwnZone | warez 4 life cant stop the warez machine | |
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Concerned Citizen
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| The Hypocrisy of DSLReports Readers When a news article is about spammers, I always see comments like "We should jail them with murderers and rapists!!" or "We need to castrate them to teach them a lesson!!"
Of course, when an article is about P2P sharing, readers are all up in arms defending their highly illegal behavior.
Hypocrisy at its best. | |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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1 edit | Ever read your computer bytes.? COMPUTER BYTES
Before a Computer Technician may question you regarding the possible infection of a hard drive, he or she must read you your COMPUTER BYTES. He or She must also make sure that you understand them.
WARNING OF BYTES
1. You have the right to remain silently on P2P and refuse to answer questions.You must share. Do you understand these bytes?
2. Anything you download may be used on your computer unless of course there's flaws. Do you understand these bytes?
3. You have the right to consult an owners manual before speaking to the repair tech and to have an hard drive present during questioning now or in the future. Do you understand these bytes?
4. If you cannot afford a DVD,MUSIC CD, one will be downloaded for you before any purchase if you wish. Do you understand these bytes?
5. If you decide to download anything now without an extra hard drive present you will still have the right to stop downloading at any time until you find time to make a new iso. Do you understand these bytes?
6. Knowing and understanding your bytes as I have explained them to you, are you willing to download no questions asked without any secondary drive present? | |
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join:2004-08-27
| Re: Ever read your computer bytes.? Hmmm.... everythime this comes up.... well here is my 2 cents
Here we have big macho companies who make millions like MPAA and RIAA throwing around their lawsuits. Everyday I here: Download movies:: BAD, download Software: BAD, download TV-shows:: BAD.... omfg it is all bad! But why isn't anime ever mentioned? No really. Now I'm not an anime-fanboy, but I think some animes are really enjoyable This stuff comes out online MONTHS before it is released here(good quality 2), and I have not heard of ppl getting "ISP letters" for it.... or the APAA(hahahah ok no such thing exists :P) from Japan hunting everyone down... and suing college students. And wait, do they lose any money from it? Iunno, if anything, I think the internet releases actually bolster popularity For now the japanese companies leave us alone, sure we downlaod this stuff.... but hell if I love a series(and there are many) I go out and buy the stuff. Why? Duh, it rocks! And yes, there are people who dl it, and never do anything about it again. But still, they make a naice sum selling the stuff and stuff releated to it :P
Now here is the funny part.... the second this stuff comes to the US.... no one wants to host it because "someone will sue". And sure enough, I believe I saw priates bay get a take-down for evangelion:)
IMHO, I think the RIAA and MPAA have gotten lawsuit happy.... and instead of working on a quality product, they try and say "Oh we are selling less because of the big-bad pirate". I don't think pricing is an issue.... I mean some of this anime costs an arm and a leg.... but it is worth it because it is a quality product
Yes some stuff *coughphotoshopcough* is sooooooooooo overpriced, but I think quality is a huge factor. A lot of movies, games, software, music these days are just craptacular As for anime, sure there is a lot of crappy releases too.... but I'm almost guranteed a handful of series per year that are great.... which come with some kick ass songs too ^_^
Maybe my anology is bad..... but well whatever flame away if you must, someone probably will anyway :P
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX
| Re: Ever read your computer bytes.? The anime studios do complain about people downloading
their copyrighted content. But they are nowhere near as
vocal and public about it as the RIAA/MPAA.
When it comes to calling people pirates and thieves, the
cliche "it takes one to know one" applies to the movie and
music industry. They steal from artists and consumers alike,
then call non-criminal sharing online piracy and theft. When
it really should be referred to as infringement. In this
case, piracy and stealing (or whatever the industry calls
p2p use) are weasel words, empty of meaning and intended
to mislead and deceive. There's a name for this: doublespeak.
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"Kayura or Badamon, whichever you are, you should know that I will never give up this battle. By the will of the Ancient, I shall succeed!" - Shuten (Anubis) from the Ronin Warriors.To RIAA/MPAA - You can sue but you can't catch everyone! | |
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askmrauto
Spam Fighter
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1 edit |  That's okay www.crosswalk.com sent me a notice!
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cork1958
Cork
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Fruitport, MI | dumb a** RIAA If they could only learn!! | |
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