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| Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo said by OverModded  :Seriously though, they should be disciplined. But felony charges seems a little severe. A plea bargain down to misdemeanor charges is probably appropriate. None of these kids will see a felony conviction. If the DA even decides to prosecute this case, and I say it's a 50/50 crap shoot the DA will scrap it, they would all be offered misdemeanor pleas.
Even then, they are juveniles, and this will not "haunt them for the rest of their lives."
IF this case went to court, worst case scenario, probation. Probably just some community service, or something like that.... | |
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| OK -- This is my mistake. For some reason I assumed this was a college campus, not a high school. The article clearly says "High School". My bad.
Since this is high school and all the students are minors, the entire ordeal is ridiculous and doesn't warrant any criminal charges. Expel them, send them to summer school, hold their diploma but taking this to the legal system is absolutely ridiculous. | |
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| said by N3OGH :Even then, they are juveniles, and this will not "haunt them for the rest of their lives." Agreed. Usually, even serious (non-violent) felony convictions are easily wiped from your record, after turning 18 if the court recognizes that you've straightened out. IN many states, if your record is sealed, you don't have to tell employers that you've been convicted of a felony on employment applications, and background checks (excpet for maybe FBI/CIA checks) will not show your juvenile convictions.
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New York, NY | Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo Exactly...a password is the same as a lock on the door. Just because you happened to find or make a copy of the key doesn't give you the right of access. Remember that when someone discovers your password and hacks YOUR computer. | |
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| Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo then whats the point of the damn lock?
There is some responsibility of the one who keeps track of the password/key, too. If the admin just casualy told one of the kids, its his fault that the settings get changed, or if the store keeper handed the key to the thief. Store keeper drops the key, it is his fault for being careless.
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| Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo This is the same misguided logic that says "If I shoot someone and then get caught it's the gun manufacturers fault for making the gun!".
I suppose if you drive 100mph and have an accident you'd blame the police for not having enough cops on the streets to have prevented you from driving so fast. Great logic, blame the other guy. | |
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| Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo said by DaveNJ :what i think is strange , is that these machines didnt have a domain policy, so even if they did have a password, the policy would just be restored on login. Using a password as a single way of inforcing policy is really bad. Calling it a felony is lame, they should just have detention for a few weeks. Domain policy means little in certain NT-based environments due to the filtering software used. If the IT group of the school used a software solution to monitor and/or filter traffic, no amount of domain policy can prohibit a person from just logging in as admin and removing or deconfiguring the software. It's the school that chose a software solution instead of filtering at the source: the gateway, with a WebSense or other. | |
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I have to question the wisdom of using client-based filtering and monitoring software on machines that students are allowed to take home -- to me that raises some privacy concerns. Why exactly should the school system restrict what sites the kids can get to when they are NOT in class? (Yes, they're the school system's machines, but to me it makes far more logical sense to use a proxy-type solution to restrict connections fromm the school network and not rely on "locking down" and running filtering software on the laptops.) If you treat teens like toddlers (which seems to be the case here, with the attitude of "we don't trust you to have unrestricted Internet access on your school laptop AT HOME") or employees like children, they typically behave accordingly...as is the case here.
IMO, the punishment is way out of proportion to the crime -- merely getting local admin on a laptop is simply not the same as changin grades, crashing a server, etc.
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| Re: Send the rugrats to Guantanamo "I have to question the wisdom of using client-based filtering and monitoring software on machines that students are allowed to take home -- to me that raises some privacy concerns. Why exactly should the school system restrict what sites the kids can get to when they are NOT in class? (Yes, they're the school system's machines, but to me it makes far more logical sense to use a proxy-type solution to restrict connections fromm the school network and not rely on "locking down" and running filtering software on the laptops.) If you treat teens like toddlers (which seems to be the case here, with the attitude of "we don't trust you to have unrestricted Internet access on your school laptop AT HOME") or employees like children, they typically behave accordingly...as is the case here."
Ummm...helloOoOoO...what world are you living in? Must be totally different from the one I live in...or haven't you noticed over the last 40 or so years how quick people are to file lawsuits in the good 'ole US of A?
Put yourself in the shoes of the school's administrator's for a moment. You have a program where students can take school equipment home with them (presumably for school work). The student goes home and begins the surf the raunchiest sites on the www, or even worse, uses 'school equipment' to chat online. Best case scenario...the parent walks in on the student during one of the above acts and decides to hold the school liable and sue the living daylights out of them. Worse case scenario...the student meets someone in an online chatroom who then proceeds to arrange a meeting with said student and rapes/kills him/her. In both cases the parent (and the judge and jury) is going to hold the school liable and may even charge them with criminal charges as well as endangering the welfare of a minor. That would mean massive jailtime for the school's admins even though they were not necessarily to blame. Even if the judge wants to go soft on them, public outrage will dictate otherwise...and the judge will have to cave in to the pressure just to appease the masses.
Let me ask you one question...Are you a parent? We entrust the lives, welfare, and well-being of our most sacred possession to these school admins. Does it make any sense for the them to send our children home with an unprotected laptop (which, by the way, most any reasonable parent would assume has restricted access because it came from a school). Just imagine the multi-million (if not multi-billion) dollar lawsuits running rampant in our school system (which this country can barely afford to maintain as it is) and the number of school admins in prison for not having the foresight to have prevented all of the above.
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| said by OverModded :Seriously though, they should be disciplined. But felony charges seems a little severe. A plea bargain down to misdemeanor charges is probably appropriate. And a fine and expulsion of the ring leaders should be enough. Teaching a lesson on illegal hacking now is needed in many school districts. Sadly no hacking even took place. You must not understand what happened. First off someone working for the school probably leaked the password. That someone should obviously be 100% responsible. Second, unlocking stock features of the computer can in no way be a crime. And personally I think it is more of a crime to be spying on what students do with the computers anyways. Its kind of like forcing kids to write a journal and making them let you read it, then getting pissed about their comments. Also don't you think its wrong for the computers to be crippled even when hooked up to their home networks?
But in the end, aren't there bootable linux distros for apple? Had something like that been used, the school would have never been the wiser. | |
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2 edits | I have many a time 'hacked' (I say it like that because all I did was find a loophole, although thats what hacking is per say) my school's system. I did it in grade school, I did it in middle school, and I did it in highschool. I never abused that power though. The worst thing I remember doing was installing simcity 2000 and duke3d so I could play it.
Anyways, I did get caught playing duke3d during school once, and the ENTIRE adminstration made such a major fuss about it, they wanted me expelled and everything just for finding a loophole in their system. They should feel lucky all I did was install a few games, because I could have wiped out everything, and gotten away with it too.
Anyways, this news is appalling. I mean seriously, all they did was make it so they could visit any website they wanted, and they want to press charges for that? Jesus Christ, it's time to go pop in The Wall. | |
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I remember installing tons of games and changing the file storage quotas from 10 MB up to 10 GB so I could store tons of crap. | |
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And from the And if You Think THAT Was Lax Security Department: Back when the Washington, DC Department of Corrections had control of Lorton Reformatory (which was located in Fairfax County, VA), they had a contract through UNICOR to refurbish GSA security containers (safes, in other words). Problem was that the agencies often forgot to thoroughly empty the containers before they were incarcerated. Over the three years of the contract, over three hundred mostly Top Secret documents were recovered from containers at the prison. | |
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| They should countersue I would countersue alleging entrapment or something off the wall. They would probably win and get millions might even bankrupt the district to boot. This is along the same deal as zero tolerance. Freaking rediculous charging as a felony | |
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| Re: They should countersue You'd never win an entrapment defense.
3rd degree Felony is the law. The school contacted the police, the police looked to see what laws are on the books.
If you don't like felony - learn the penalty before you do the crime.
But I agree with others, the charges are "pending" and will never be charged with a felony. It will be a misdemeanor with probation-suspended sentence. They stay out of trouble for a year - it disappears.
They give the same deal to first time shoplifters, this will be pled down. | |
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| Re: They should countersue First, I am not a lawyer, that is why I added the "something off the wall" to the sentence. I dont know what they could allege, but entrapment would be easy if...
Second, without knowing the specifics of the case, we do not know for sure that this is a crime. If a teacher gave them the pass, this is no crime.
Third, the story doesnt tell who owns the computers. That would determine the strategy to defend against charges. | |
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1 edit | Re: They should countersue Point(s) taken.
Entrapment:
»www.onlinelawyersource.com/crimi···ent.html
"Entrapment causes an otherwise innocent person to perform a criminal act for the purposes of prosecution;....The government agents only commit entrapment when they implant the idea to perform a crime in an innocent person's mind. An entrapment defense is irrelevant if the government merely afforded the opportunity to commit the crime; for entrapment to take place, the individual must prove unlikely to commit the crime in the absence of entrapment, and the government must also create an incentive for the defendant to commit the crime."
That is why that would not work. But some other "off the wall" yeah - that is always possible. Sharks love blood.;)
From what the other posters have shown - this does qualify "technically" under the applied law. The article states that some attempted to alter the spying programs put on the laptop to monitor the students. That meets point (1) of section 7615.
So they "could" be charged as a 3rd degree felony.
Even if they were given the password - that did not give anyone the right to remove or disable the software.
And lastly - I think it says the school had purchased the computers as part of a $900k computer program. That indicates to me it was the school's property - but no - the article does not specifically say so.
Oh well, in any case - they will never have felony charges in court. They are using this to impress in some young minds that breaking the law - even minor or "unfair" ones - can result in serious charges.
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I still see a countersuit being filed. If any of those parents has any money, this will end up costing the school system a hell of alot more than what teaching the kids is worth.:D | |
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| How about.. The kids claiming the institution is one of higher education and they were just trying to see how much higher they could get it???
Actually.... my stand is... if the folks at the school weren't smart enough to lock it down... then it's on thier heads.... but I know..just because you leave a bicycle leaning against a wall unchained / unlocked doesn't give anyone else the right to take the bloody thing out for a spin without permission... tis' a doubble edged sword... | |
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| Once Again Sloppy control by a School's IT department. Hell, probably the real reason they're trying to fry the students is so they don't have to hire competent IT admin staff. Easier to ruin a few lives and try to scare the students into not doing things than to run things correctly and prevent the problems from happening in the first place.
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(a) Offense defined.--A person commits the offense of computer trespass if he knowingly and without authority or in excess of given authority uses a computer or computer network with the intent to:
(1) temporarily or permanently remove computer data, computer programs or computer software from a computer or computer network;
(2) cause a computer to malfunction, regardless of the amount of time the malfunction persists;
(3) alter or erase any computer data, computer programs or computer software;
(4) effect the creation or alteration of a financial instrument or of an electronic transfer of funds; or
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| said by senatedon :§ 7615. Computer trespass. (a) Offense defined.--A person commits the offense of computer trespass if he knowingly and without authority or in excess of given authority uses a computer or computer network with the intent to: (1) temporarily or permanently remove computer data, computer programs or computer software from a computer or computer network; (2) cause a computer to malfunction, regardless of the amount of time the malfunction persists; (3) alter or erase any computer data, computer programs or computer software; (4) effect the creation or alteration of a financial instrument or of an electronic transfer of funds; or (5) cause physical injury to the property of another. (b) Grading.--An offense under this section shall constitute a felony of the third degree. The newspaper article claims the kids:
1) Gained access to restricted Internet sites. In my opinion, there doesn't seem to be a crime under 7615.
2) Downloaded inappropriate pictures. Unless they are under 18 or they accessed illegal pornography (i.e. kiddy pornography and local restrictions...), I don't think any image is inappropriate unless shared with a minor.
3) Downloaded music. The article just says "downloaded music". It doesn't say if the music was illegally obtained. No crime under 7615 but certainly a potential DMCA violation if the music is not in the public domain and/or the students did not pay for it.
4) Gained higher access to the school's network. The article doesn't mention what they did with that access. Based on the article, there still doesn't seem to be any crime under 7615.
5) Disabled administrator's ability to "spy" on students. This is a sticky one but it may depend on whether or not the spying is legal. I think corporations have the right to spy on their workers as a condition of employment. However, since the student is the customer of a product (they pay for education), I'm not sure the same relationship between employer and employee exists. Therefore I'm not sure if the school has the right to spy. That may or may not be relevant since that's a different issue.
Unless the school wants to classify the laptop as "malfunctioning" because it permitted access that's against school policy or if disabling the access controls and/or "spy" software constitutes a violation of clause 3, I don't have enough information from the newspaper article to determine if the kids really committed crimes.
The school certainly has every right to take whatever disciplinary actions warranted but to call it a crime based on the newspaper article seems at best, a bit of a stretch.
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| Re: This is what they are charged with: said by rradina :5) Disabled administrator's ability to "spy" on students. This is a sticky one but it may depend on whether or not the spying is legal. Keep in mind that in this case, the school system is spying on student activities when the laptops are used AT HOME or elsewhere outside the school. That, to me, is a MAJOR breach of student privacy, even if the machines are the school system's...what the kids do at HOME is really no business of the school's.
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It doesn't sound like the students did any of these DESTRUCTIVE things but I guess they can be accused of altering data.
I think the intent if this law was to defeat hackers that cause serious damage especially corporate sabotage.
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They (school administration should be brought up on charges for using such an insecure password. | |
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when i was in school they used "Fortress" on all the computers
one time someone found out they could disable it by opening the .exe in word and screwing with it, hell i even did it i dident get in trouble the admin fixed it the next day, no big deal
they should remember where most likely, the money for those computers came from.. taxes. they were not someones personal computer or some colleges servers, just class computers
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| I agree, this is a crock. If a secure password was chosen in the first place there would be no problem. It's just kids screwing with computers. In my opinion, they've done no harm, and they may have learned something in the process. It takes some creative thinking to get around the barriers that have been put up. It was stupid of the school system to underestimate those kids. Comprimising the server that holds the grades would be just punishment for the school system. | |
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1 edit | Hehe, did the samething, got caught as well but.. all that happened to me was i lost my "priviledge" to use school computers...we had new Dells with XP Pro on them. simple SAM reader that i was able to d/l from that computer grabbed the admin password in 20secs. i reconfig'd IE's top bar to say i owned the machine. simple things anyone could do with a simple tut online. they soon put on a hardware firewall that blocked pretty much the whole net so i made a php file to bypass it which worked for most sites. stupid admin in a meeting with principle, vice principle. both my parents and the head admin sat there and told me this is what keeps them up at night. yet i told them of the simple access to the Command prompt 3 months before.....some people over react to little things, their worlds are very shortcited. | |
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| Re: Hehe, did the samething, got caught as well bu This is exactly what I remember that happened to kids when I was in high school. If you were fooling with computers (admin access, playing games, looking up porn) then you got banned from the computers as long as you didn't do any real harm (looking up grades, installing viruses, etc.). If you did actual damage then you got suspended. I can't imagine anyone actually getting charged with a computer crime because of the administrative's ignorance regarding their password. They should have been changing them every 3 months at the minimum.
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| Leave The Kids Alone!!! Dude anyone who thinks these kids deserve a felony should STFU and put themselves in there positions.
a. The password was well known and not a secret
b. They did not breach any systems that threatened confidential records
c. Only 13 were charged, 80-13 = 67 not charged, hmmm? Looks like 13 were scapegoats for the morons running the school.
d. We have all done something stupid in school. Eg. smoking in the boys room, bulling somebody, skipping class, etc.
Hell I don't know about you but I sure we could all post something we did along with what we got as punishment and I bet it was not a felony unless it was a major crime!
For instance I smoked in the boys room and only got 3 days suspension, lol  Awwe the good ole days before they hired morons in the school districts | |
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| Aren't they all underage? Their juvy records will be sealed anyway. It's sad that so many people here want to excuse criminal behavior of youths who obviously have no respect for rules or authority.
It's bad enough that the taxpayers hand out expensive computers, worse that these little brats abuse the privilege by not only breaking school policy by unlawfully modifying property that doesn't belong to them but to then proceed to commit further crimes by engaging in copyright infringement with the taxpayer property. | |
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| bull sh99 I dont see the felony if any crime... insecure passwords is the administrtions fault.. they should be brought up on charges.. for a felony I believe it has to be over 1000 in damages.. where are the damages here... where is the tresspass.. downloading music and porn... maybe they downloaded over 1000 in music.. but prove it ... I doubt they can produce logs of what was downloaded...
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clubs: | Re: bull sh99 These kids lives are ruined because of an ignorant sysadmin.
I smell a defamation of character suit..
This sysadmin will never work again!
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nixen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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·Speakeasy
| Re: bull sh99 said by packetscan :These kids lives are ruined because of an ignorant sysadmin. I smell a defamation of character suit.. This sysadmin will never work again! Bullshit. If the moron gets terminated (I doubt he'll even face censure), he'll find a job with another place that hires from the bottom of the talent pool - probably another school.
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lupinia
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join:2004-08-24
Harrisonburg, VA
1 edit | Yipe Damn, I feel really fortunate now. When I was in high school, and I got caught breaking all sorts of weak security, they didn't punish me at all. Instead, they said "How'd you do that?" and offered me a job as assistant network administrator | |
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SulSeeker5
join:2003-03-20
Eugene, OR
| When I was in HS My computer lit teacher kept having me break into his machine to tighen up security on the network...
That's what they should do with these kids, turn them into a damn think tank or something.
Lawsuits... sheesh.
Welcome to "Sue Society" America.
And IMHO, people who think they sould be sued need to be removed from the gene pool. Lemmings... all of ya. | |
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mustang03282
join:2003-01-10
Bridgeton, NJ
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| wow glad i didnt go to that school wow glad i didnt go to that school. I'd probly still be in jail. Its was a big on going battle with my computer teacher for her to keep me locked out of shit. I never did any read damage Just did some pranks. The computer teacher knew it was me and just laughed. But when ever the computers did break I was the 1st person she went to for help Out side of the basic computer litercy class she didnt know shit about computers. | |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| The schools admin. is negligent in allowing the password to be known and then not changing it. These are high school KIDS and the responsible party is the administration at this school. The admin should be facing penalties for allowing students, in their charge, the ease of this temptation.
Let's put the blame at the root of the issue - poor school and IT administration! | |
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shrtckt1
Fried Rice
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join:2005-05-18
Athens, GA | Re: The schools admin. is negligent in allowing the Agreed. This is an embarrassment to the board of education. If their "AOL user" system admins can't do any better than that... Then I would love to sell them some oceanfront property in Arizona!! | |
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convictthem
@comcast.net
| hacking laptop PW All of you who have posted your idiotic rationalization of how you did illegal thing doing your grade school years, and even now you condone this behavior. Good thing you are a GROWN UP ADULT, or maybe you are NOT. To say that you did some of these same childish acts, and and now you try and justify your actions, well guess what! You was wrong when you did it, and you are still WRONG.
These people should be treated as adults they are no longer children. Expel or fail them from this course and make them pay for the course. Maybe if YOU ADULTS stop doing and condoning illegal behavior, these young adults would think twice before repeating your actions.
stop finding excuses for the corruption of America. Be part of a solution. Grow Up | |
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Teens face felony charges
Send the rugrats to Guantanamo
