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IA | . I don't like this. Google is getting too big.
Soon it will be jack of all trades and master of none?
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Kxpuc
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Houston, TX
| Re: . you do realize you link to a more then a year old post
first thing said on your link
(This was news posted a while ago, 2004-11-07 12:37:22 to be exact.) | |
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INHCNN
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Lansing, MI
| I think there's a few ways of looking at this:
1. Is doing "what pleases investors" - which infers "doing what increases the stock price" - in direct conflict with "doing the right thing"? Immediately, I think the answer is "no", but at some point if you start reaching for only "all things profitable" your intent for "all things good/right" goes down.
2. On the flip side, it's probably a healthy thing for there to be (serious) competition with PayPal. Some people have complained about rates, etc... and competition is one way to alleviate these things....
3. ...and on side number 3 (here's one for you EBay'ers who look forward to using Google Wallet) - IF 23% of EBay's profits were from PayPal (let's remember who owns what), THEN why in the heck would EBay allow Google Wallet to be used? Or is this something that EBay can not control? What could EBay to to limit it's use? If I were a major stock holder of EBay, I would certainly be asking "What can we do so that Google Wallet does not infringe on our profits."
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Tzale
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| Re: . said by INHCNN  :I think there's a few ways of looking at this: 1. Is doing "what pleases investors" - which infers "doing what increases the stock price" - in direct conflict with "doing the right thing"? Immediately, I think the answer is "no", but at some point if you start reaching for only "all things profitable" your intent for "all things good/right" goes down. 2. On the flip side, it's probably a healthy thing for there to be (serious) competition with PayPal. Some people have complained about rates, etc... and competition is one way to alleviate these things.... 3. ...and on side number 3 (here's one for you EBay'ers who look forward to using Google Wallet) - IF 23% of EBay's profits were from PayPal (let's remember who owns what), THEN why in the heck would EBay allow Google Wallet to be used? Or is this something that EBay can not control? What could EBay to to limit it's use? If I were a major stock holder of EBay, I would certainly be asking "What can we do so that Google Wallet does not infringe on our profits." Ebay has no control over how you pay the buyer. There is however paypal links, icons etc embedded within the Ebay ad's so that merchants who want to accept Paypal can advertise it before anyone clicks the listings link on the search page also you can preenter the amounts onto it and all the buyer needs to do is enter his user/pass and then click send money, faster than going to www.paypal.com and having to fill out the send money form.
Of course people will move to Google Wallet but I think this is BAD. Right now almost all of the internet money transfer market is Paypal. With Google coming into play it's going to screw up a lot of this since people will not have a common system of exchanging money. Unless there was a way of having the two systems work together I don't see how this will work well. Basically what will happen is merchants / buyers will need to hold a Paypal and a Google Wallet account since there is no telling which you will need for a transaction. I just hope Paypal wins out in the end because it was THEY who made this system work and I love Paypal!
Google is becoming a gigantic behemoth of a company. Before it went public it was just a search engine with a slither of other features. Now today it has all these other features and they are basically trying to take over and create a monopoly on internet services. This is NOT good for the consumer. I loved Google and still do the way it is but I fear it is going to get so big that it will become nothing more than another AOL or Microsoft.
I use Google Search CONSTANTLY and Gmail is my main e-mail account now. Google rocks, but I wonder how much longer this will last.
Hey also isn't it weird that you have the same avatar as me?
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Brooklyn, NY | You never know, Google may come up with "G-Bay"! | |
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| Re: Paypal is OK said by moby866 :But it would be interesting to see what, if anything Google brings to the table. (Now if Google was to give me a beta account with no limit and they paid the bill I would be glad to help.;)) Ditto, Ditto.:D
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| Payback451
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Germantown, MD | Cant wait I would switch in a second.. I quickly got tired of Paypals high transaction fees and simply put, I trust the good name/brand more. | |
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| Re: Google Couldn't ... said by Mactron :do any worse. Paypal is so jacked up.  I haven't dealt with them in a long time now.:D Go Google ! I agree. I hate Paypal with a passion and will have nothing to do with them. | |
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| Re: Cant wait said by Payback451 :I would switch in a second.. I quickly got tired of Paypals high transaction fees and simply put, I trust the good name/brand more. And lets not forget their "approved transaction types." Rules that I might understand if they were in line with the types of things that were sold on eBay or were in line with what's legal to buy/sell in country of the transactions.
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Eh? | Yes, good! Well, after being one of thousand paypal users who were hi-jacked, I would use google. I trust the name more than eBay.
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Corona, CA | I'm one of those who haven't had troub. w/ PP and my using Google Wallet will depend on how many merchants and EBay sellers that take it.
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Ottawa, ON | Re: I'm one of those who haven't had troub. w/ PP paypalsucks.com - hopefully google wallet makes it to their list. | |
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Auburn, AL | Re: just you wait Come on Google, get your wallet up fast! I dont know how much longer I can stand paypal!  | |
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devil24
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Houston, TX | Re: just you wait PayPal sucks, period. Their fees, their privacy policies, their rude customer service... it all sucks.
If Google decides to do this, I'll sign up for it the moment it becomes available. | |
| Nobbie16
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1 edit | Google Auctions Just wait and see. Google Auctions coming soon. It only makes sense. | |
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| Re: Google Auctions Microsoft and Yahoo already tried competing in auctions, Yahoo still does it and Microsoft folded, thats unheard of. Ebay is a great auction site, I wouldn't go anywhere else. It will be interesting to see if they can compete with Pay Pal though in that area. Pay Pal is still cheaper then opening your own merchant account outside of this, and the fees are better also. Everyone company has to give in to a certain percentage automatically that the credit card companies charge for each trans, so it will be fun to see where this leads. | |
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| Google is NOT evil I personally would LOVE to see Google give Paypal some competition. I also LOVE the idea of some competition for Ebay. Both are starting to get out of hand with the transation fee's.
I have nothing against Google getting Ginormous and trying to do everything. So far, they have shown that they are not Evil like Micro$oft and it's even writting right into their company mission statement that they "shall not be evil". | |
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| Re: Google is NOT evil said by IMHO:
I personally would LOVE to see Google give Paypal some competition. I also LOVE the idea of some competition for Ebay. Both are starting to get out of hand with the transation fee's.
I too think a little competition would be healthy. eBay and Paypal fees have gotten a bit painful. Every year when they "adjust" their fees, it is always the same excuse; we are doing to it to maintain the eBay experience. Geesh. Don't get me wrong, I use Paypal and eBay BUT anything that makes them reconsider their constant fee increases could be nothing but good.
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92361 | Re: Google is NOT evil For those who don't know, Yahoo Auctions is now free for buyers and sellers. | |
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JE
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I can't wait!:D | |
| aaron12345
join:2002-12-17
Falls Church, VA
| paypal fees Compared to merchent accounts, paypal's fees aren't bad at all. however it does piss me off that they raised the fees for lower volume sales. also ebay should just advertise a 5%ish fee and include paypal's CC processing since that what everyone uses anyways instead of giving us a final value fee, listing fees, and paypal fees to keep track of. | |
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| GWallet Sounds interesting. Personally, I have never been burned by paypal, so as such, I swear by it (except for the .30 + 2.9% of incoming money taken for being able to accept CC xfers). If Google wallet can make it loads easier to transfer money into the account (ie: make a deal with bank of america to allow users to deposit money into their gwallet account) then I'd like to see it.
Competition is good, and its about time that paypal got some of that. | |
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Jehu
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MA | Yeah I just got a brand new Google Defibrillator. | |
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Brooklyn Blues
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| Re: Yeah Best news I've heard in a while. PayPal is pure evil. So is eBay. I use BidPay for my auctions and have transactions deposited into my bank account just like PayPal. PayPal is the worst. Chargebacks, the use any f*ckin reason to put your account on limited status, etc. F*ck that.
To the guy who said gBay, two thumbs up for you man. It's really the scumbags at eBay who need the competition. They're really evil. Unfortunately uBid, Yahoo Auctions and the others can't touch them. But I think Google can. Let's wait and see. | |
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| search?q=%24100%2C000.00 So now Google will add a PayPal like pamemnt proccessor / online account..
Since google is the "A - # - 1" search site, can they find me $100K to stick in that wallet?
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swanboy
join:2001-01-22
Hollywood, FL | Yes! I look forward to anything that Google brings out. Google Wallet? Hell yes!
I breathe google. I'd rather google have access to all my money than PayPal.
I'm excited. | |
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illJazz
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| Re: Yes! said by swanboy :I look forward to anything that Google brings out. Google Wallet? Hell yes! I breathe google. I'd rather google have access to all my money than PayPal. I'm excited. I just had to say: AMEN! 
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illJazz
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| Anything Google... ... = good.
I love Google. They're a great company that doesn't act out of greed, but that pushes innovation and is a clear leader in their field. Well, in many fields. As the second poster pointed out, everything Google has put to the market simply works, and works damn well.
If it were up to me, Google should rule the US, and not Bush
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Fatal Vector
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| Re: Anything Google...
"Mission statement", or not. The thing to remember about any corporation is that it will do ANYTHING, no matter what PR it tells you, to increase it's profits. The larger a lumbering behemoth it is, the greedier it is-witness ebay and paypal.
In the end, it's all about the stockholders and the bottom line. They dont give a rats ass about YOU. You can complain all you want (if, of course, you could get to ANYONE other than some grunt at a terminal, with ANY authority, who cares to listen. Those days are LONG gone. The only way you might get listened to is if you own a major portion of the stock.
Of course, you can only jack the stock price up so far. It WILL, inevitably fall for one reason or another, usually a fall in sales, etc because of customer dissatisfaction, or, trying to be a jack of all trades. It's just like the stand alone program that does one thing really well, and the "suite" of programs that tries to do it all, but does nothing particularly well (can you spell "Nortons" and "Symantec"?).
It ought to be interesting to see when the mighty ebay comes crashing down, as well as Google. | |
| | robie88
join:2003-04-19
New York, NY
| Well, everything in my experience has indicated to me that Paypal is one cruddy, sleazeball operation. My state had a legal action against them due to so many complaints that they had failed to live up to their user agreements. I was one of those complaints, the long and short of which was that I did not receive the promises of buyer protection that were made when I signed up with Paypal.
On the other hand, I've yet to see an experience with Google that was unpleasant, or left me feeling that something underhanded was going on. I've sure seen plenty of speculation about Google, where people expressed one concern or another, and I've yet to really see any of those concerns pan out in some substantive way. Remember all the concern about gmail and the ads? I can't speak for others, but I can say that out of all the web-based free email providers I find google to be the most onobtrusive, the most professional, and the one I would pick for reliability of above all the others.
Competition is good, and Paypal has gotten away with alot of nonsense due to the fact that they more or less had monopolized a market through their business liasons with Ebay. Add Google to the equation and I think you have a positive for any consumer that uses those type of services. | |
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illJazz
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| Excellent last two posts. Those were interesting to read 
I think the reason Google is flying so high is because they simply do their stuff right. They don't spend any money on advertising themselves or their products, because they don't need to. They put that money instead into the development of their many products, which boosts their quality, and quality can speak for itself, and it does. Word of mouth is Google's one and only "advertising" tactic, really. And of course they have a presence with their "Goooogle" ads for their customers, which not only advertises for the customers, but for Google itself as well.
Personally, I've never had a problem with Paypal, and it's worked just fine for me since I signed up. However, that doesn't mean they're perfect. I have a lot of confidence in Google that they can simply get things done right, the way they're supposed to be done. They're always the leader of the pack, the smart guys who come up with the best solution to a given problem.
As has been said before:
Google Search: Without a doubt the most used search engine on this planet. It may not be the BEST for all tasks, but it sure is the most popular and probably most powerful one of all.
Google Directory: It's just huge, and it's very useful, especially when you're working with categories and are looking to search or find data on entire sections of something. I don't know of a better online directory.
GMail: Simply the best free web-mail ever created. Filters, automatization of tasks, labels, a very sleek, fast, clean interface, good spam filtering, POP3 access, 2.3GB of space, email forwarding, VERY simple, fast and effective to use, search-based with excellent usability for the mail-search function... nuff said.
Google Maps: I was in love when I found out about it, and it keeps getting better. It's not perfect yet, but it's getting there. The one thing I'm missing from GMaps is the ability to save a home locations, and possibly save previous routes as well. Once that's possible, it's going to be the absolute and undisputed God of online mapping utilities.
The map takes up a LARGE part of your screen, (as it's supposed to, as opposed to the map occupying a tiny little box like on Yahoo or Mapquest), the map surface is sharp and easy to look at and read, you can drag the map any way you want with your mouse, smoothly, extensive support for keyboard shortcuts, (damn, add this to GMail as well! One of its best features..), great, detailed driving directions service, outstanding interface design, with all the directions/info on the right and the whole map taking up the left, very use-friendly, accessible functionality, offering you TO HERE and FROM HERE links from every location found on the map, ridiculously simple way of typing in addresses... on Mapquest and Yahoo you have to enter street, ZIP, City name and all that separately.. at Google, you can slap all that in one line, in any order, best free Satellite imagery!
Google Fusion: At least this is what I call it, based on some names I originally read for it... this is quite minor, but it's a great step into creating save-able information for each Google user, be that the ability to save your past searches with Google Search History, or be that the ability to quickly and automatically log into your GMail account, Google Fusion acts as a hub that is attempting to tie all the Google services into one centralized access point. Of course you can fully customize the whole page, with news, weather, directions, sports, a GMail block, and and and... and you can mix em all up with a multitude of different countries as well. I have all the modules for US on the left running from top to bottom, and all the same modules for Switzerland on the right, running from top to bottom.
And not to mention Google Print, Google Scholar, Google Image Search, Google Alerts, Google Answers, Froogle, Google Groups, Google Local, the pretty new Google Mobile, Google NEWS of course and and and and...
And each and single one of those services is made well, with usability and effectiveness in mind, and with simplicity and intuitivity as driving forces.
Google has grown so large that it truly has no reason to spend money to advertise their own stuff--all the online news sources can't wait to report about something new coming from Google. If something's going on at Google, you're likely to know any news within a day at max.
That's why I love Google. They put their money where it belongs, and I don't believe they fit the regular business image very well. I don't see them as greedy or profit-hungry. If you've ever heard any Google employees speak at presentations and conferences, you'll see that they always bring a very human touch with them. They like to joke around, they go a long way to point out how much they like their employees and how much they like working with them, and they give credit to each and every single employee that has created this or that function. Their business model is the most interesting on the planet to me, and it just seems to work.
All I can hope for is that their wonderful ideas won't get corrupted by pressure from stockholders. I hope that the current management and leadership stays in place, and won't be replaced by the typical business maniac assholes who care for nothing but profit. I hope we don't see the days when we'll see Google ads about Google plastered all over the place, and the quality of their products going down the tube, being surpassed by all their competitors. If they stay far away from that route, hell, I'll call my kid Google.
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Jason Levine
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| Where did you hear that Google holds onto your GMail even if you delete it? Sure, the e-mail might exist on other systems that haven't been fully synched yet, and it might exist on backup tapes, but that's true of any data. (Especially -- one would hope -- the backup tapes.) Sure the actual deletion isn't a "press and it's gone from everywhere" situation, but given enough time the e-mail would be gone for good (as systems sync up and backup tapes are reused and overwritten).
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| GhostDoggy
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| I'd trust Google over PreyPal (and ePrey) I remember when the first news bit came when eBay went under FBI investigation. Then, shortly before they bought PayPal I actually registered for accounts with eBay and PayPal and had a bad experience, as a buyer. No, the problem wasn't with the seller or what was being sold/delivered, but PayPal.
Then, it turns out PayPal went under FBI investigation. Hmm, coincident? Then one evil buys another evil. No, two evils do not negate such evilness, but rather double the evilness therein. At that point, I swore off both.
I like the idea of PayPal, but I despised the implmented form of PayPal. If Google wishes to enter the market I would be much more trustful of them. Of course, ePrey will probably not allow you to use Google Wallet. That's fine by me. | |
| | Underplay
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1 edit | Re: I'd trust Google over PreyPal (and ePrey) I guarantee they will allow the google wallet, they would have to be completely STUPID not to. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: I'd trust Google over PreyPal (and ePrey) As far as I'm concerned, Google is now becoming the new Microsoft. They are competing in many markets now and im guessing they are only gonna keep expanding for a long as they can.
The test however, will be wether the can maintain the good guy attitude when they become king of the Hill. | |
| Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| for those of you that care... look, businesses are in business to make money for their owners and their investors... unless you bring a moral intent on how your business should be run, then stop calling inanimate objects like corporations evil for making money, which is what they are supposed to do... | |
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skyfreedomdo
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| Re: for those of you that care... Just got my PreyPal account hijacked! I got the money back and all is fine. Even before this experience I was trying to figure out a way without PreyPal, these news give me hope in being PreyPal Free! Oh and yes they have took enough of my money for fees already!
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| Catz6
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