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| Re: screen shots said by clevere1  :screen shot of about this mac just a screenshot won't do any good, since it could come from one of the mactel development units
the only real proof would be multiple people from reliable sources doing it, screenshots and videos can all be faked
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join:2000-11-21
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Ingersoll, ON | Re: OSX Yeah, wtf. There's 2 screens and 2 Macs there. It's more likely that the laptop is running the screen off VNC or something and the other screen is running off that Mini that they tried to hide behind the laptop. | |
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| Thaler
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Encino, CA | Re: why wont apple Because then there wouldn't be any more justification for the 2-3x price gap between PCs and Macs. The day they release their OS for x86 is the day their hardware department closes up shop. (Or they settle for Dell-like marginal overhead per unit) | |
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| The real question... Is "Who cares?"
IF apple ever ships an Intel version of OSX Jobs will be damn sure that it will only run properly on APPLE manufactured hardware. Apple is too much of a closed shop to let this out into the wild. Anything out there now has just been leaked to build mind share. When it comes to official releases of the Intel OSX it will only run right on Apple hardware. Sure there will be hacks that make it work on non-apple hardware but Jobs will find SOMETHING to deter that.
Besides, if Apple ever markets the bare OS they will start to attract the attention of Microsoft. If Microsoft perceives a threat we all can connect the dots for Apple.....
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| Re: The real question... The point is that IBM hasn't been able to deliver a faster Power PC chip fast enough for Apple. Intel is way ahead on the speed/performance issue vs. the Power PC. Apple is looking to switch CPU's so they can compete against the vastly faster Intel/Windows market. (They are probably more than a little tired of being the butt of all the slower but more expensive jokes) I very seriously doubt that Apple is looking at selling OSX unbundled from Apple hardware. If they were in the least bit interested in selling just the OS there would still be a Power Computing making MAC clones.
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| Re: The real question... Intel is way ahead on the speed/performance issue vs. the Power PC.
Intel is ONLY ahead in clockspeed.... Anyone who knows anything about hardware knows that clockspeed isn't all its cracked up to be.
As well, you are probably comparing Intel 32 bit chips with a G5 64 bit chip... Not exactly a comparable comparison. | |
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| Re: The real question... I have seen a couple of computers in my day and I realize that clock speed isn't all it is marketed as. What is more telling is instructions per clock and pipeline length (and related to that how many cycles it takes to fill it back up again in the case of a mis-predicted branch)
AMD put the clock speed thing to rest when they came out with the Athlon. (and Intel even did their own clock speed busting bit with the Pentium M)
What I was comparing Mac's against was the generic Windows platform. AMD has the current lead in the 64bit arena but Intel has plenty of resources and will be catching up soon enough. My bet is they will be coming out with some viable, affordable (non-Xeon) processors about the time Apple decides it is ready to build with Intel.
The Power PC IS indeed a powerful processor but the internal architecture will be no match for Intel's (or even AMD's) 64 bit offerings once they hit the starting gates. IBM has pretty much tweaked the Power PC line as much as it can. Any further improvements will be incremental. Why do you think Microsoft is going with a triple core Power PC chip in the new X-Box?
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| Re: The real question... Wow... LOL... Sorry...
Okay... You do realize the G5 is 64-bit right? The G5 compares quite well against both AMD and Intel 64-bit chips currently. The reason Apple is switching to Intel has nothing to do with the G5 today, rather it is about the G5 tomorrow. By the time Apple releases its first Intel based PowerMac desktop, Intel will have an entirely new (non-netburst architecture) line of chips that are more powerful than where Apple perceives the PowerPC line will be at the time.
You know why I think Microsoft went with three PPC cores in the X-Box 360? The same reason that we're not getting dual-core desktop systems: More cores = more overall power... Just so you know the PPC architecture is very well suited to do the floating point intensive calculations that are often used in graphics intensive games. | |
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| Re: The real question... Okay... You do realize the G5 is 64-bit right? The G5 compares quite well against both AMD and Intel 64-bit chips currently.
hmm doesn t say april first nows that s funny
»www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···8,00.asp
apple a dead platform they just don t know it yet
with amd leading the way with dual cores and intel not far behind apple going the way of the atari/ commdore/ lisa | |
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| Re: The real question... You have no idea what you're talking about do you? You're completely mixing up Apple with their processors. Apple is migrating away from PowerPC because it is not going to be competitive with x86 as Intel and AMD out pace IBM. Also I didn't say that "The G5 is faster than the other chips', I said it performs well when compared against them. That article is also either very old or just has a strong anti-apple bias. The fastest G5 they're using is the 2.0Ghz G5, which has a much slower front side bus than the newer 2.7Ghz G5. Also did you note: Most of the PCs used dual, RAID-striped hard drives; the Apple systems did not. | |
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| said by indy0365 :Okay... You do realize the G5 is 64-bit right? The G5 compares quite well against both AMD and Intel 64-bit chips currently. hmm doesn t say april first nows that s funny » www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,a···8,00.asp apple a dead platform they just don t know it yet with amd leading the way with dual cores and intel not far behind apple going the way of the atari/ commdore/ lisa Haha. You're a silly person to believe everything you read. The death of Apple has been foretold by some dumbass every year for 20 years. You can now join the group of those that know jack about economics or business. | |
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clubs: | instructions per a clock are not all that its cracked up to be either. PPC relies on less instructions to perform more actions. Its really apples to bananas in everything. | |
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1 edit | Apple only have a fraction of the "OS" market right now and they don't produce the hardware. So why not fight Microsoft to gain a larger share of the OS world ? I believe it could be a great competitor to windows if we can run it on whatever x86 hardware we have and have all the software/games/entertainment available on the market. That way they are free of all the contracts problems created by linking yourself too closely with hardware makers. That's a plan to give nightmares to Gates. I must be missing something for those thinking it will be a "closed box".
That and then Jobs will use his friends in Hollywood to control multimedia content diffusion with his online services. Now that's where there's a big bundle of cash to make and he is the man that could make it possible.
No, in the end I see it as a great move. I would try OSX on my computer right now. | |
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| Re: The real question... said by varius :Apple only have a fraction of the "OS" market right now and they don't produce the hardware. So why not fight Microsoft to gain a larger share of the OS world ? I believe it could be a great competitor to windows if we can run it on whatever x86 hardware we have and have all the software/games/entertainment available on the market. That way they are free of all the contracts problems created by linking yourself too closely with hardware makers. That's a plan to give nightmares to Gates. I must be missing something for those thinking it will be a "closed box". That and then Jobs will use his friends in Hollywood to control multimedia content diffusion with his online services. Now that's where there's a big bundle of cash to make and he is the man that could make it possible. No, in the end I see it as a great move. I would try OSX on my computer right now. Uhh do you even know where Apple makes its money? Hardware, software is just go get you to buy the hardware. | |
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| said by bradt :IF apple ever ships an Intel version of OSX Jobs will be damn sure that it will only run properly on APPLE manufactured hardware. I smell an anti-trust lawsuit.
OH WAIT A MINUTE. Silly me!
Their company isn't spelled like "M" "i" "c" "r" "o" "s" "o" "f" "t". It must be illegal to file lawsuits against a company whose name isn't spelled like that.
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| Re: The real question... said by redxii :said by bradt :IF apple ever ships an Intel version of OSX Jobs will be damn sure that it will only run properly on APPLE manufactured hardware. I smell an anti-trust lawsuit. OH WAIT A MINUTE. Silly me! Their company isn't spelled like "M" "i" "c" "r" "o" "s" "o" "f" "t". It must be illegal to file lawsuits against a company whose name isn't spelled like that. What the hell are you going on about? Microsoft has never been sued due to their OS only running on hardware they manufacture. Even if Microsoft were to get into the PC hardware manufacturing game, they couldn't be sued simply for tying their OS to that hardware. After all, you've not seen:•IBM sued for only maintaining AIX on the Power series hardware, OS/400 on AS/400 systems (etc.)
•HP sued for only maintaining HP/UX on PA-RISC
•SGI sued for only porting IRIX to MIPS
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Besides, Apple has been making a OSes that run only on their hardware for decades. How would making an OS that only runs on a highly-customized x86 box be any different?
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1 edit | Re: The real question... Microsoft got sued for including their media player in their OS. Apple, currently not for having iTunes in OSX.
I don't see Apple being forced to remove iTunes.
The point that i'm conveying is that everyone gets upset when Microsoft does something. Not any other company, it's no big deal. | |
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clubs: | Re: The real question... One company you mentioned has a 90% market share on desktop computers. The other has 5%. I'll leave the rest to you, figure it out.
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| I think they were actually sued for forcing OEMs to bundle Media Player w/ computers that used Windows rather than giving them a choice to remove it. After the lawsuit, Microsoft had to give OEMs more choices in what they did and did not include. The lawsuit itself had nothing to do with Microsoft including Media Player with their OS - rather it was about their anti-competitive behavior towards bundling other media players or the choice to not bundle their media player. Apple has an advantage here b/c they make their own hardware so they control the whole process and thus are entitled to make 100% of the decisions about what to bundle and what not to bundle.
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| said by bradt :Is "Who cares?" IF apple ever ships an Intel version of OSX Jobs will be damn sure that it will only run properly on APPLE manufactured hardware. Aye. They can equip the mainboards with a "Identification Chip" of some sorts and OSX will then only install when the chip is present.
Of course I wouldn't be surprised if someone finally finds a way to debug said chip and manages to emulate it somehow, but I would imagine a hardware check is a lot harder to crack then a software check.
I remember those programs that required a paralel port key to be attached to the machine, which was - at the time anyways - pretty much unhackable.
My guess is they will put some sort of ID chip on their mainboards and if you don't have one, there is no cigar.
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| said by bradt :Is "Who cares?" You got it on the first try!
Likely to be overpriced, buggy ( you can by an update, with different bugs) and Apple will pull out of the agreement when they think the market is right, just like they always do. | |
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| Re: The real question... said by tshirt :said by bradt :Is "Who cares?" You got it on the first try! Likely to be overpriced, buggy ( you can by an update, with different bugs) and Apple will pull out of the agreement when they think the market is right, just like they always do. Buggy? Says who? You? You don't have a clue about the software or the architecture.
Sounds like you're too used to Windows and it's lovely class of "issues". | |
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join:2005-05-11
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| I care. Have you price the cost of Tiger and compared it to the full price of XP? And since it is BSD-based (Darwin, right?), it actually can multitask and not just multipretend. BTW, I am running XP on several PCs so its not a XP-crack as I hold no loyalties. | |
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| Re: The real question... The answer to the cost difference is that with the Apple OS they already nicked you for a bundle of change for the hardware.
Plus Apple charges you for INCREMENTAL updates.
Microsoft will sell the OS by itself and gives you the incremental updates for free. Already up to SP2 for XP and was up to SP6 for NT.
Completely different update philosophies.
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| Re: The real question... said by bradt :The answer to the cost difference is that with the Apple OS they already nicked you for a bundle of change for the hardware. Plus Apple charges you for INCREMENTAL updates. Microsoft will sell the OS by itself and gives you the incremental updates for free. Already up to SP2 for XP and was up to SP6 for NT. Completely different update philosophies. Brad Actually, I do not own the first Apple product. So, unless Apple price-gouges the Intel-port of OS X in market their action as being 'competitive' I fail to see any solid foundation in your argument. But time will tell. | |
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| Will Apple Ever Learn? Here we go again Mr Steve Jobs, when will apple ever learn? They just pull themselves deeper and deeper in the hole. Going with Intel? That has got to be the most moronic thing for Apple to ever do. First off, Intel has crap for processors, (apple should have stuck with IBM, but no lets go for something cheaper that we can sell for more $$ - apple says.)
Secondly, who is going to buy a mac when you can just buy an Intel PC and put OSX on it now?  Who would spend the money for a mac when they could buy a PC with the same hardware for much cheaper and put OSX on it?
Well Steve you did it again, here we go with Bill Gates pulling Apple out of the bankruptcy hole once again . | |
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1 edit | Re: Will Apple Ever Learn? said by GeniusCPU:
Here we go again Mr Steve Jobs, when will apple ever learn? They just pull themselves deeper and deeper in the hole. Going with Intel? That has got to be the most moronic thing for Apple to ever do. First off, Intel has crap for processors, (apple should have stuck with IBM, but no lets go for something cheaper that we can sell for more $$ - apple says.) Right now, yes. Look at the PowerPC roadmap vs. the Intel Roadmap. The Intel roadmap has a better future. Plain and Simple
said by GeniusCPU:Secondly, who is going to buy a mac when you can just buy an Intel PC and put OSX on it now? Who would spend the money for a mac when they could buy a PC with the same hardware for much cheaper and put OSX on it? You can't buy an Intel PC and put OS X on it.
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Well Steve you did it again, here we go with Bill Gates pulling Apple out of the bankruptcy hole once again .
oh yeah, cause apples been in and out of bankruptcy just like US Airways 
Apple is a financially stable company... Lets think back when apple was doing bad... that was... PRE-OS X, PRE-Steve...
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Chicago, IL | Re: Will Apple Ever Learn? I've got a Compaq like that one, and mine has a bright green power light when it's switched on. Maybe the light burned out, because I see an image on the monitor, but the CPU doesn't appear to be on. | |
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| Re: Will Apple Ever Learn? You might be onto something there. My neighbor's aunt has a fairly new Compaq, and it has a really bright LED on the front. Its so bright that she stuck a post-it on top of it because it was bothering her. If that light was on, it would definitely be visible in the picture. Its possible for an LED to go out, but those things normally last an extremely long time.
I'm going to agree with your theory, and say that PC is not even on. Nice job on noticing that little detail.
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| AFAICT, Intel procs are actually going to cost Apple more than the IBMs. It's not about the cost. It's mostly about replacing a specialty part that has only one supplier -- a supplier who isn't providing Apple with what they need and were promised -- with a commodity part they can get from multiple suppliers. (The current deal is only with Intel, but they should have no problem switching to AMD on a moment's notice, without further pain, if the need should arise.) Apple was the only customer for PowerPCs in general-purpose computers; now IBM has much bigger customers in the console makers, and is catering to their needs at the expense of Apple. (The vaunted Cell processor seems to be largely unsuited for general-purpose computing.) Intel, on the other hand, sells processors for general-purpose computers to everyone, and it's their main business. Apple can remain at 2% market share (or whatever), and still benefit from Intel's advances. It makes them less dependent.
I'm not saying it was the right choice. I'm both unhappy and wary about it, for a lot of reasons. But I do feel better about it than I did a few days ago.
Also, Microsoft did not rescue Apple with its measly $150 million contribution -- and it's a shame that Apple has allowed that perception to become so widespread. $150 million may sound like a lot, but Apple has annual revenues in the billions. All that money bought was Internet Explorer bundled into OS X (that's right, Gates paid them to take it). | |
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1 edit | Nevermind. Someone already pointed out that you can see VNC in the dock. | |
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1 edit | W00t i should have some pics soon ie if my download finishes | |
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| Re: W00t said by masterdave23 :i should have some pics soon ie if my download finishes if you get the same result as most people please don't post that screenshot, nobody needs to see that 
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San Jose, CA | Look at the About Screen! Ok.. the comment I will make is that if it were using the powerbook, or mac mini, or VNC for that matter, then the about screen would say G4/G5 something, other than Intel Pentium 4 2.4, unless the video/stills have been altered... | |
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| OS X on DELL (or any other PC for that matter... Personally, I'd love to have an option other than an OS that has activation that can be arbitrarily turned off because I change my hardware out, and the price of OSX-tiger is quite nice, full shelf version can be found for $129, try that with XP full retail!
Ok, as to Intel and OS X, yes, watch the video on Apple.com, keynote address from the developers convention. What is missing is any discussion of the fact that Mac OS's are also ROM based, only certain versions will work with certain machines. They've been doing this for years. While they say it will run on intel, nothing is said about running on generic ROM's. They also said this was an evolving process, and they still had PPC based models to introduce. What was pointed to, but not elaborated on was the next OSX... "Leopard" It may be that they are headed to the generic market eventually, but I have to hand it to the Mac guys, the elegance of an OS built on ROM and stored executables on disk has impressed me. This design has gotten them a very good ways, even if they havent cornered the market. Oh, the Mac ROMs are copywrighted and they take any reverse engineering VERY serioulsy. Dont expect some guy to reverse engineer their ROMs and be able to distribute it for everyone over the net legally or unchallenged. | |
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| Re: OS X on DELL (or any other PC for that matter... said by robert93:
the price of OSX-tiger is quite nice, full shelf version can be found for $129 that is because to use that "shelf" version you must have an actual mac, if they sold a version that would work on intel they could easily charge more (since you aren't paying apple for any hardware in that case)
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| intresting. I was tired of spyware, virilli, hacks.. I bought a used mac on ebay. I would up liking iPhoto and Final Cut so much I bought a dual G5.
I have an older dual AMD machine ( I think it has MP1600 processors on it? ) that hasn't been turned on in .. probably a year. I do know IE is hijacked and when the machine boots, it asks for the win2k cd... In teh last year, I havent had ANY issues with the Mac at all.
I think a LOT of people would like to give OS/X a shot and see what its capable of. It would be a LOT nicer for ' grandma and grandpa ' to use.
The bad or reverse of it all.. more junk will now be written towards that Darwin core and other ' apple ' based softwares.. who knows, maybe that porting will leave holes for windows hacks as well.
I think this is a good move for Apple. I wish they would have gone with AMD instead of Intel. IBM just wasn't keeping up with the Joneses.
What I do wonder is how many people would leave teh windows based enviornment for the OS/X one? Does anyone believe vendors might see the first few machines roll out and want ' in ' on the action?
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