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Rojo Sol
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1 edit | Naked Gas Anyone? I wonder if this can be done if you have a gas line, but don't have gas hooked up? Naked gas!
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU | Re: Naked Gas Anyone? Here goes the same old jokes.  | |
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AuraReturn
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join:2003-08-18
San Francisco, CA
clubs: | Re: Naked Gas Anyone? What if I fart? Can I get 100mpbs from that? | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC | Re: Naked Gas Anyone? Of course if I let a real ripper go I could be the first with 1gbps  | |
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200mbps BPL
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| Re: Naked Gas Anyone? CON-EDISON, NEW YORK RE: Ambient's Most Comprehensive Event Demonstration to Date
Wednesday May 18, 8:29 am ET
Demo at UTC Telecom 2005 to Include New Coupler and Node Designs
BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 18, 2005--Ambient Corporation (OTCBB: ABTG - News), a leader in Broadband over Power Lines (BPL) solutions, announced today its planned demonstration for United Telecom Council's (UTC) UTC Telecom 2005 Conference, May 22 - 25 in Long Beach, California. The UTC Conference is a telecommunications and information technology trade association event for utility, energy and other critical infrastructure companies.
Ambient will be located at booth 621 where it will have multiple demonstrations, including VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol), an NMS (Network Management System), a load control/monitoring application, video surveillance and video conferencing. Utility application enablement will be a focus of Ambient's demonstration and has long been part of Ambient's core strategic direction. As utility decision makers from all over North America attend UTC, this is the ideal location for demonstrating Ambient's solutions.
Ambient will also demonstrate its latest version of its X-Node which contains both Generation 1 (45Mbps) and Generation 2 (200Mbps) BPL chipsets as well as 802.11a/b/g Wi-Fi. This demonstrates Ambient's flexible "last mile" architecture. | |
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | I smell a fart? whats that you say??? I smell a fart, no it just my gas broadband is all | |
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | Their forgetting one last thing, water band, braodband through the sewage. To surf at full speed, do not drink water doing so greatly reduces throughput speed.
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| | DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| said by lazarus_  :Here goes the same old jokes. I want BPL 512k/512k is the best! | |
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wtfalready
@verizon.n
| Now, what is the means of transportation: copper or fiber?
Your not saying you can use the natural gas itself as broadband signaling... that would be too weird. And even if everyone was ga-ga about it and it was approved for deployment and there are no -radio interferance like bpl- where would this theoretially be installed? | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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Camarillo, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Naked Gas Anyone? said by wtfalready:
Your not saying you can use the natural gas itself as broadband signaling... No, I was just pointing out that when I want to get DSL service I must also have a basic phone line. I was poking fun at this new "technology" you could say... 
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King P
Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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Inman, SC
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| Re: Naked Gas Anyone? From the previous article that I have read on this, it travels through a line that is buried next to the gas line. So it doesn't really travel through thin air, it does go through a physical line of some type.
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Karl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02
Ferndale, WA
| said by wtfalready:
Now, what is the means of transportation: copper or fiber?
Your not saying you can use the natural gas itself as broadband signaling... that would be too weird. And even if everyone was ga-ga about it and it was approved for deployment and there are no -radio interferance like bpl- where would this theoretially be installed?
Perhaps it works using something like microwave waveguide technology. But I'm not sure how well that would get through valves and other obstacles. | |
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PunkGod
join:2003-02-02
| said by wtfalready:
Now, what is the means of transportation: copper or fiber?
Your not saying you can use the natural gas itself as broadband signaling... that would be too weird. And even if everyone was ga-ga about it and it was approved for deployment and there are no -radio interferance like bpl- where would this theoretially be installed?
Yes, the signal passes through the gas line and goes to a box near your home then goes through I normal line. | |
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| hobbesk
join:2002-03-24
Seattle, WA | Trend in US is replacing metal gas pipes with plastic ones to combat corrosion.
What then? | |
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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Camarillo, CA
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Naked Gas Anyone? said by hobbesk :Trend in US is replacing metal gas pipes with plastic ones to combat corrosion. What then? Well, I'm my own BIG pipeline, so I'm not too worried.
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dib22
join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO | Re: Naked Gas Anyone? appears they are using the gas itself as the transmission medium... if you look at their faq they say that they can use both metal and plastic lines...
very trippy. | |
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MaxSmart420
join:2005-03-11
Export, PA | Broadband over municipal sewage lines | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Pipe Dream?
couldnt resist that one. | |
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PunkGod
join:2003-02-02 | Can't wait for the broadband companies to say, "My pipe is bigger than yours." | |
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kewlkeed
Grouch
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join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | Got Gas? So when's the first Ethernet/Wifi powered CAR coming out eh?
They've done it all now... | |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | hmmm... this will give new meaning to sniffing out packets!!! oh my!!!
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CPM
join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL
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join:2003-10-04
Antioch, TN | Re: Blue Flame Wireless ROFLMAO | |
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SubTexel
Keyboard Commando
join:2003-11-20
Hampton, VA | Hrmmm So is the same technology as wave guides? If so it would really suck if the gaskets rotted out, or werent installed properly and an arc resulted because of that... | |
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alphapointe
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join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
clubs: | May be real but..... You'd think they could at least use correct spelling and grammer. | |
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58ef2c0
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| Re: May be real but..... said by alphapointe :You'd think they could at least use correct spelling and grammer. g-r-a-m-m-a-r | |
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techie
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join:2003-06-18
Canada
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| Re: May be real but..... said by RadioDoc :said by alphapointe :You'd think they could at least use correct spelling and grammer. g-r-a-m-m- a-r two true. | |
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alphapointe
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Columbia, MO
clubs: | Re: May be real but..... Ye gods... you make one mistake because you're tired....
ACK! | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| Re: May be real but..... said by alphapointe :Ye gods... you make one mistake because you're tired.... ACK! beware, the internet grammar nazis... | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Re: May be real but..... Yes, but be even more afraid if you are one of them stupid enough to make a mistake in a post correcting others | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| Re: May be real but..... said by Freezone :Yes, but be even more afraid if you are one of them stupid enough to make a mistake in a post correcting others oh, i've seen that happen and i'm right there with my typing fingers at the ready... | |
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Stan2
@rr.com | At least they could make a site that is readable. I hate when someone makes a site out of images only. Even for the text part. Its just too fuzzy to read even. As well as hard on the eyes. | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| Someone explain to me How this is going to work. I can see BPL - you already have a transmission media in place, an unshielded one (and that's the problem). But with this, what's the transmission media? The gas pipes? The gas itself? The company's website description of the process sounds like they're using the gas pipelines as a waveguide, but I don't see how that will work. | |
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join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Re: Someone explain to me Yes, they are using the pipes as a waveguide and it'll work like a champ. Better, because the pipes are underground, I'm sure they'll be able to use everything from 5 GHz and above.
No shortage of bandwidth there.
The only problem is that they'll need to crack the line open to couple to the the waveguide and preferably, they'll do that at the meter. | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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Minas Tirith
| There's only 1 problem. What about valves & such along the way? If it were an open pathway, I could see it. The idea of it going through such a flammable medium disturbs me.
Besides, not everyone has gas [unless it's after they have eaten a plate of beans:D] | |
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Vamp
5c077
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MD | big bang.. what happens when it causes a leak? | |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Publicly traded company? Wonder how much of a jump the president wanted the stock to do? | |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Publicly traded company? It will never pass once static hits that line there goes ure house lol | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
3 edits | The First BVM ADSL modem First look at a Rosarita Model Pinto Bean 1 ADSL modem for Broadband Via Methane. | |
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Carl
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join:2004-07-21
Krotz Springs, LA | Re: The First BVM ADSL modem LOL! | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| and here is how they will cap your bandwidth if necessary... | |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | I'll care when my electrical co-op offers it. | |
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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| Re: This looks like a good idea. quote:
The biggest problems I see are that you would have valves.
Another is orifice plates and other things used in controlling differential pressure for gas.
The FAQ on their site basically says as long as gas can flow (not fully blocked off), the signal will still go. It says that most valves are not used and regulators can be easily by-passed.
It also states that platic pipes make no difference, that the Ultra-WideBand signal travels within the pipe (through the gas). It sounds more like a sound signal (ultra-sound?) going through the gas.
They state that worse-case senario they could only achieve about 10km (about 6 miles; a little more than a DSL signal can achieve) before loosing the signal, but concievably could transmit the signal about 100km (about 62 miles).
Wheather or not these specs will work and is not just speculation is up in the air. See their FAQ (Nethercomm FAQ)
Even though, it looks even more promising then BPL. Many have natural gas (including many who live out in the country-side) pipes.
It would be interesting to see this compete with DSL, cable, and fiber. It appears they are targeting European and US markets for deployment. I will be following it.
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join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA | Re: This looks like a good idea. The new Fart Band, at 100kbps/100kbps at only 9.99 a month | |
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MaxSmart420
join:2005-03-11
Export, PA
| Kudos This is a great idea. And unlike BPL, its practical considering it wont generate any interference and since the gas lines are underground it wont receive any either with the earth being a natural emf/rf shield. What will they think of next...broadband via municipal sewage lines? lol | |
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kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
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join:2005-05-15
Australia
| Contradictions Abound???? We already have messages sent via gas; radio, TV, Wireless Net, any radio transmission is done via gas, mainly Nitrogen CO2 and Oxygen in the atmosphere. So what's so special about transmitting through a Methane, Ethane, Propane, Butane (Plus some other hydrocarbons) gas mix.??
Radio wave propagation, that's what. If they have found a way to make radio/electrical wave energy stay bottled up in an iron pipe that is earthed very well being under ground, they have just busted most laws of natural science.
Inject a radio/electrical wave signal into the gas mix and it has to radiate. Transmission loss due to earthing would be 100%
Try getting your modem/phone line to work by placing the unshielded cable in 20 foot of dirt between the street and your house.
Hmmmmmm??? | |
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kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
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join:2005-05-15
Australia
| We already have messages sent via gas; radio, TV, Wireless Net, any radio transmission is done via gas, mainly Nitrogen CO2 and Oxygen in the atmosphere. So whats so special about transmitting through a Methane, Ethane, Propane, Butane (Plus some other hydrocarbons) gas mix.??
Radio wave propagation, thats what. If they have found a way to make radio/electrical wave energy stay bottled up in an iron pipe that is earthed very well being under ground, they have just busted most laws of natural science.
Inject a radio/electrical wave signal into the gas mix and it has to radiate. Transmission loss due to earthing would be 100%
Try getting your modem/phone line to work by placing the unshielded cable in 20 foot of dirt between the street and your house.
Hmmmmmm??? | |
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freeze
Magic Murder Bag
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join:2001-05-13
Columbus, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| It's scary how crappy that website really is when you realize it is representing a very cool way to deliver broadband...
Typos everywhere, not very search engine friendly, monotonous background music?!
My my.
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nowise7
join:2005-01-15
| What happens when the gas runs out? It's gonna happen some day? They could just fill the pipes with something else and use them exclusively for broadband. You could turn the gas meters into your modem.
"What kind of B-I-G modem did we install for you?"
Westfall Fujitsatel SURFsys 5327w
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SulSeeker5
join:2003-03-20
Eugene, OR
| No one has thought about this from the Gas companies perspective.
They would WANT to get this installed for one simple reason. no more meter readers. Just install some digital technology inside the gas meter, and then they can get real time information on when and how much gas you use, and bill you accordingly.
Plus you wouldn't have to be home to keep fido from running the gas man off the premesis.
Hey, if they can offer me Lower prices and faster connection speeds than Comcast or Qwest, I'd sign up. | |
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join:2004-01-19
Racine, WI | Re: My thought we got that here now, all the meters have been replaced with digital devices that send to the electric and gas company. no more meter readers... | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | comcast has been providing broadband with plenty of hot air and smoke for awhile now. | |
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| DONKEYKONG01
join:2003-03-21
Metairie, LA
| Re: broadband over what? Is it not fart, then it's gasband, that's right
how fast will it be? will it replace cable/dsl?
if not, then get out of here. just another clown technology the news??? I want uncapped dsl at 8.0/1.0 could careless another anything else that coming out of my pants | |
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HomeLvr
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join:2002-01-01
Atlanta, GA | i think itd be funny. OMG MY SPEEDS ARE DROPPING GAS LEAK!!! AHHH RUN *BOOM*
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