U.S. Slow to Embrace IPv6Summit being held this week to address why ( old news - 01:27PM Thursday May 26 2005) tags: IPv6Despite defense department migration and large test-beds like the Moonv6 project, interest in the migration from IPv4 to IPv6 seems luke-warm among American industry and government leadership, according to a recent survey by Juniper Networks. The Washington Post takes a look at this week's IPv6 summit in Reston, where 500 "technologists" are trying to find out why. As we've mentioned in previous reports, IPv6 is expected to run parallel with IPv4 for 20 odd years, as kinks are worked out of the system. While IPv4 offered 4.3 billion addresses, IPv6 will offer considerably more ( 3.4 x 10 38, to be specific), as well as significant security improvements. If you weren't aware, we have an IPv6 forum to discuss the benefits and hiccups of migration. If you're really interested, this Cisco exploration (pdf) is worth a read.
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kapil
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|  Because We're The United State, DAMMIT!
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yea it kills me how places like Korea and Hong Kong have ISP service that is like 10 times faster than ours. | |
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| said by kapil  :We're arrogant, we "own" the Internet and since we own all of the original Class A networks, the rest of the world can go to hell. We're fine with IPv4, Copper instead of fiber and Betamax. Of course we own the Internet. We invented it after all. We don't tell France how to operate their MiniTel service after all do we?
Oh, and God Bless America!
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by pnh102 :said by kapil :Oh, and God Bless America! ...and no place else  | |
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| said by pnh102 :Oh, and God Bless America! Are you talking about the kinda' blessings that can be charged to a credit card after watching the endless infomercials on channels 32, 38, 43, 56, 84, 77....? $29.99 for a blessing from God and a Jesus Blanket. And if you call right now, we'll throw in a free molesting session with the priest of your choice! Call Now 800-Holy-Crap!
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by kapil :Are you talking about the kinda' blessings that can be charged to a credit card after watching the endless infomercials on channels 32, 38, 43, 56, 84, 77....? $29.99 for a blessing from God and a Jesus Blanket. And if you call right now, we'll throw in a free molesting session with the priest of your choice! Call Now 800-Holy-Crap! Actually, those on the right don't need to pay for blessings from God, that would be like a metal band paying for sex.
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clubs: | Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! The band or the girls?
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| Is that true with those televangelists too? Their on the right...and who was that one that was banging Jessica Hahn?
What a bunch of hypocrites.
Oh...and I hope that fathead Rush has to. According to his own thoughts, he should be locked up for life for being a drug addict.
I don't get the whole divided issue..left or right,Republican or Democrat...they are all out for themselves and you can't believe a word they say. It's more like rich vs not-so rich vs. not-so poor vs. poor. | |
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Spring Valley, CA
| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by NothingBetter:
Is that true with those televangelists too? Their on the right...and who was that one that was banging Jessica Hahn?
What a bunch of hypocrites.
Oh...and I hope that fathead Rush has to. According to his own thoughts, he should be locked up for life for being a drug addict.
I don't get the whole divided issue..left or right,Republican or Democrat...they are all out for themselves and you can't believe a word they say. It's more like rich vs not-so rich vs. not-so poor vs. poor.
who was on the right bangin' jessica hahn, well, a man, a televangelist that fell from the ideal he chose to live up to and ask people to live up to as well... does that negate the message by having a faulty man delivering the message...? people make mistakes every day, you, me, everyone... hypocrisy isn't a crime, but people who see it and excise it from within their ranks are doing the world a favor...
sure, jim baker commited adultry and as a minister lied to his flock and brought shame upon himself and that's too bad, but his actions do not make the message hypocritical... and as for your comment about rush limbaugh, the same applies to him too... and i find that your uncompassionate attitude towards those have problems regardless of their status to be distasteful and indicative of your total lack of understand about these issues... have some compassion, man... throw a helping hand out to someone how trips and falls...
i'm not talking about being sympathetic to rapists and murderers, but to those that allow vice and bad decision making to delude their perceptions and thusly leads to making wrong choices... | |
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| Forgive me, I didn't realize that this website ahd a political taking. I didn't know this was a left only board. Maybe this explains the entitlement attitude here.
The U.S. - when was the government implicated in this? I think it speaks of the U.S. in whole.
And yea... while other countries have it all, why not move there? How about Canada and their lovely health care? You know the one where you could probably die from your illness before your appointment date? But they sure do have great cable tv and internet eh? You betchya!
How about China, better speeds, but where, oh where do you find room in your 4' x 4' apartment, er, I mean, POD to put that computer, monitor and keyboard? Ask their corrupt government for more room.
I didn't know it was all about the internet here. The U.S. has alot to offer. Even if you dont' like the right wing of this country, which I am not a big fan of either, you are still free to come to a baord like this and blast your own government.. not many other countries allow it.
Really, why don't you take a good look at what you have and stop your whining once and for all! We are the U.S. and I would never want to call any other country home. The U.S. may have faults, but I will take ours anyday over what other countries have to deal with!
If you don't liek the U.S., leave! | |
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by "fiberguy":
And yea... while other countries have it all, why not move there? How about Canada and their lovely health care? You know the one where you could probably die from your illness before your appointment date? But they sure do have great cable tv and internet eh? You betchya!
As compared to the number of people that have died or are in the process of dying (or living with a greatly-reduced quality-of-life, which also reduces their individual capacity for contribution to the GNP), due to them not having health insurance at all, because they cannot afford it!
This is caused primarily because the private insurers offering it charge too much, and the private employers paying these people, don't provide it, nor pay their workers enough to afford to pay for it directly. (Such as Wal-Mart, that intentionally doesn't allow a large portion of their workers to work enough hours to qualify for health insurance, and instead tells them to sign up for their state's welfare-funded health-insurance programs instead - just so they can post higher profits.)
I haven't had health insurance for years, here, and am (unfortunately) suffering because of that fact. Perhaps I really should move to Canada. | |
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| said by pnh102 :Of course we own the Internet. Actually, that doesn't apply any more... DARPA is dead. The Internet as it existed is gone.
We invented it after all. So? A Lot of things that we enjoy in this country were invented in other nations and you don't have the same arrogant, eight year old attitude from them about it.
It doesn't matter who invented it any more because no one nation or company "owns" the Internet.
Oh, and God Bless America! If there is a God, he/she/it probably could care less about the B.S. politics and nations of the world... God is not an America or a capitalist...
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by jwersan :said by kapil :...we "own" the Internet.. No we don't, Al Gore does!!  Well he does, he invented it!  Didn't he???  Well that's what he says...  No, the media. :P
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| said by jwersan :No we don't, Al Gore does!! Well he does, he invented it! Didn't he??? Well that's what he says... No he didn't! But don't let the facts get in the way. | |
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Saint Paul, MN | Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! You misunderstand me. I meant "no he didn't [say that]". Don't worry, some day you'll be clever. | |
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sporkme
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| said by jwersan :said by kapil :...we "own" the Internet.. No we don't, Al Gore does!! Well he does, he invented it! Didn't he??? Well that's what he says... Some rumors just won't die. Please, don't let that stop you from repeating them.
»www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp | |
| | | | Freezone
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! What Al Gore did say was pretty stupid though. What he wanted to say was that he helped introduce policy that helped to create the internet that we have today. He does deserve some credit in that regard, after all I doubt that on his watch we would have fallen so far behind broadband. | |
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@verizon.net | Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! Al Gore promotes the creation of technology at every turn - because technology created Al Gore! He's an android, people, can't you see that??! He wants to create more like him. | |
| | raye
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| This is not a rant against Haliburton specifically, but why do they still have a 34.0.0.0/8 block. Or the other corps for that matter?
I understand ISPs, but is Haliburton or GE going to have 16M computers that need static IP addresses.
Somebody ought to require them to give them up, IMHO | |
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! Hey...if Harley Davidson can have one, why can't Dick's Halliburton?
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pnh102
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| said by raye :This is not a rant against Haliburton specifically, but why do they still have a 34.0.0.0/8 block. Or the other corps for that matter? Because Halliburton is the cause of all evil all over the world, since the time of Adam and Eve.
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| | | dibbb
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| It's the same reason a lot of other Fortune 100 companies have their own Class A block of IP's.
The chemical company I work for owns their own whole Class A or "/8" subnet too. On my company PC, and every person's PC in the company we have a "real" IP address, nobody uses a 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x or whatever.
They paid for it way back when.
If they want to sell some subnets they will, if not, they won't. I'm not saying it's right, I think it would be better to let ISP's use them, but hey, that's how it is now. | |
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| Re: Because We're The United State, DAMMIT! said by "dibbkd":
They paid for it way back when.
If they want to sell some subnets they will, if not, they won't. I'm not saying it's right, I think it would be better to let ISP's use them, but hey, that's how it is now.
Actually, back then, they didn't pay for them, they simply got an allocation/assignment of those IPs from ARIN. (Or was that before ARIN, I don't remember.) They likewise can't "sell" them, they would instead simply return the IP allocations back to ARIN, and then they would redistribute them.
Back then, no-one really realized how big or popular the internet would get, or how the IPv4 addresses would eventually reach a point of there being shortages, so they handed out /8 blocks left and right to the "bigger" companies that asked for them. I'm sure that DEC (now part of HP/Compaq), and Sun Microsystems both have huge IP blocks allocated to them too. (As well as MS.) | |
| russotto
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Collegeville, PA | Or, on a less rabid note.... Because it's expensive and the payoff appears minimal compared to the difficulty and risk. | |
| markopoleo
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Bonne Terre, MO | The government has adopts something before busines ..thats a first!
Normally govenment is years behind people in adopting stuff. | |
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Humble, TX | Re: The government has adopts something before busines Erm, not the Department of Defense... Who do you think came up with the foundation of TCP/IP? | |
| | dibbb
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..thats a first!
Normally govenment is years behind people in adopting stuff.
Ever heard of DARPA? Google that and see who came up with the idea of the Internet first.
In addition, a ton of stuff used by NASA are common household products now. | |
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| Re: The government has adopts something before busines said by dibbb :Ever heard of DARPA? Google that and see who came up with the idea of the Internet first. DARPA is an anagram for "Al Gore"...
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join:2003-09-19 | Re: The government has adopts something before busines Now that's just sick.
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Bonne Terre, MO | Re: The government has adopts something before bus Im talking about in general not the internet. lol | |
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join:2003-09-19 | Re: The government has adopts something before bus That's funny, because this whole article is about the Internet.. IPv6.... lol | |
| | | | footballdude
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| said by markopoleo :Im talking about in general not the internet The military always has the latest technology before it hits the masses. Your local license agency may still be stuck in the seventies but the military has all the toys. | |
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | We only react to things after they happen You can bet we'll start rolling out IPv6 right around when we start running out of the 32-bit addresses. As a nation we're very reactive, never proactive. | |
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| Re: We only react to things after they happen said by vpoko :You can bet we'll start rolling out IPv6 right around when we start running out of the 32-bit addresses. As a nation we're very reactive, never proactive. That won't happen. By the time the 32-bit addresses would be running out, the rest of the world will have switched to IPv6 already and the US will have the entire pool of IPv4 addresses all for itself. No need to change at all. | |
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| Re: We only react to things after they happen said by printscreen :That won't happen. By the time the 32-bit addresses would be running out, the rest of the world will have switched to IPv6 already and the US will have the entire pool of IPv4 addresses all for itself. No need to change at all. I think we should just invade other countries and steal their IP addresses
I can see it now... "NO WAR FOR PORN!"
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| That and can you imagine gamers Online.
Whats your IP
"2031:0000:130F:0000:0000:09C0:876A:130B"
Missed it, what was it again?
"2031:0:130F:0:0:9C0:876A:130B"
What, that's not the same address you gave me before!!
"They are the same thing!"
Oh OK.
10min later
Still not finding you
"I broke it down some more try 2031:0:130F::9C0:876A:130B"
What!!! 2031:0:130F::9C0:876A:130B = 2031:0000:130F:0000:0000:09C0:876A:130B
This is insain!!!!!!!!!!
hehe once we switch to IPv6 EVERY-thing is going to need to be done by domain names.
That means we need to make DNS more secure DHCP more reliable and the INTERNET as a whole. More stable! | |
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| Still have a lot of v4 ips to give out... Looking at the current bogon lists, there are still many class A netblocks being bogoned for one reason or another.
I think with careful managing, IPv4 should be around for awhile without running out of addresses.
This isn't to say IPv6 has a lot of improvements, but I just don't see the benefits outweighing the time and costs to switch to v6 right now.
totally my opinion, and i'm not too familiar with the internet as a whole, so dont flame me.....
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keith2468
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| Re: Still have a lot of v4 ips to give out... I agree. There is no reason for a rush.
On the other hand, in the Far East they are running out of IPv4 addresses. So they don't have an alternative. They have to go to IPv6. | |
| amungus
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| luke what? Of course it's "luke warm" ...why change from a 32-bit, decimal number into a 128-bit hex? v4 will surely live side by side for some time.
Subnetting is one area that seems simplified by v6, but there is no reason to change a working setup to a 128-bit, hex based system simply because it's there. Sure you could do all the work to figure what everything is in hex, and change it all, but that's a boatload of work to acomplish exactly nothing except saying:
"I'm not at 10.1.8.224 anymore, my workstation changed today into 0A.01.08.e0, and I can't get my email?"
...or whatever those #'s work out to, it's simply a waste unless you're starting fresh, IMHO..
any admins out there??? Fire away, I don't know all that much, but logistically it would just seem silly... | |
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gukid
join:2005-05-17
| It's about time? Honestly, I can't understand why any company WOULDN'T want to move into IPV6 right away. Or do they want to wait and then panic like they did for the whole Y2K thing (though, when they run out of public ips and actually need them, it'll be much much worse).
And then when you think about the fact that once it's implemented, no one will ever have to worry about PORT FORWARDING ever every again. I think that alone makes it worth every cent. Hell, I'd even pay more for internet just to not have to deal with this and get each pc their own ip. Too bad the home router business would go down the drain... (could be that this is what's holding it back?) | |
| | dibbb
join:2003-09-19 | Re: It's about time? Yeah, the home router business would go down the drain. That's all my router does, is port forwarding.
'Come on man, you know they do more than that! | |
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| yawn... What an absolutely boring thread. I actually clicked through to read/discuss/learn about IPv6. Stop wasting the energy it takes to type folks. Green house gases and our forests and the spotted owls and the water and blah blah ya' know?
I hit reply on the wrong string of posts, wooOOPs! | |
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Winnipeg, MB | Gee we aren't interested in junking working equipm Gee, we aren't interested in junking perfectly good equipment in order to switch to IPv6 before it is really necessary.
Why?
Why spend money years before you have to? | |
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| Why? Why? I'll tell you why: it's because here in America, we don't have a shortage of IP addresses. My ISP gives me 8, yes that's right, 8 IP addresses with the NORMAL PACKAGE.
If you look over in the countries that have adopted IPv6 rapidly, those are the places that have a very big shortage of address to go around for everyone, so they have to adopt something to accommodate them.
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| | mc5w
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| Re: Why? A big part of the problem is that inhuman resources mismanagers and personnel pricks use experience as the sole determinant of competence. As a result, nobody is qualified to do IPv6 in the stuipdgroupthink minds of corporate America.
Seriously, I one time lost my job to a BLIND electrician because of the threat of age discrimination lawsuits. This company went out of business 1 or 1.5 years later.
The Big-Whiter-Than-Teamsters unions cultivate this fear of lack of experience in the hope that their people will be the only ones who are qualified.
The U.S. military has been the sole source of apprenticeships for U.S. born computer programmers and electrical engineers since 1978. This means that it will take a long time to staff corporations with people who know anything in the vacuous minds of the personnel department. Since I am not medically qualified to get my ass shot off, I will never work as a computer programmer.
The electrical business in general is still in bad shape even though the H1B visa scam expired 17 months ago. Corporations are also scared of spending any money because of the economy which will make IPv6 the Erie Lackofmoney Railroad of the 21st century. | |
| lxlightman
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Santa Monica, CA
| Correction about "IPv6 Summit" I chaired and organized the Coalition Summit for IPv6, which was incorrectly called the "IPv6 Summit" (the name of my company, IPv6 Summit, Inc.) by the Washington Post.
I also organized and chaired the last four IPv6 Summits in the US. I can state categorically that none of the five summits was ever organized "to address why" the "US is slow to embrace IPv6".
There is some useful information in these posts, but there might have been much more if the link to the event website, »www.coalitionsummit.com, were published, along with a note that most of the speakers' presentations are posted online. It's strange to me that not one poster referred to anything that actually happened at the Coalition Summit for IPv6. I can give a brief sketch here. For more information, please read (or subscribe - it's free) to the 6Sense Newsletter, via the link above or »www.usipv6.com
The big things from the Coalition Summit for IPv6:
1. Congressman Tom Davis (R-VA) became the first elected official in the US (possibly anywhere other than the prime ministers of Japan and Korea) gave the opening talk and called for taking steps to continue US leadership in the Internet, and asked good questions that needed to be answered by the Internet community about IPv6 and related areas, like security, piracy, and military uses.
2. Three three-star generals, including the CIO of the Air Force, the CIO of the Army, and the head of Special Operations, all provided amazing talks on the past, present, and future of net-centric operations. The graphics were stunning, as was the admission, by the Army CIO, that warfighters were actually buying their own routers, as well as body armor, to help protect their team through better communications.
3. The first real "good news" about the US and its Coalition Partners that I've heard this year, as NATO, the European Union, the European Defense Force, and over thirty coalition partner governments showed up and discussed how to synchronize their deployment of IPv6, share test bed data, adopt a common definition of IPv6 (no kidding- there is still no official definition of what it is, and the IETF docs have no "closure" or 20 year masterplan, which governments need to make policy)
4. The first real consumer level products using IPv6 were demonstrated, including Panasonic's IPv6 enabled webcams, which they got so many orders for at the show that they had to set up a new web retail outlet for during the first day of exhibits. Panasonic will be coming out with a very cool paperback sized device using home electrical wiring to give 170 Mbps by the end of the summer.
5. First public demonstration of IPv4 vs. IPv6 streaming video in an apples to apples comparison, with the tv show "The Office" played over 512 Kbps. There was no comparison: the IPv6 was DVD quality while the IPv4 was, well, what you see if you are cable modems or DSL: not that great.
6. The Japanese, Korean, and Europeans revealed that they are (along with China) outspending the US 100 to 1 at the federal level on IPv6. This is ironic, since the US federal spending on IPv4 in its first seven years (IPv6 is seven years old) outspent all other governments 100 to 1. The audience got the point: we can't have this sort of shift, and still expect the US to lead, or even be an adaptive follower. Federal government involvement to move the US forward is essential for the next phase.
There was more. Check out 6Sense June issue for what actually happened. | |
| | lxlightman
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| Re: Correction about "IPv6 Summit" Correcting myself: I meant to say that Cong. Tom Davis became the first elected US official to call for US leadership in IPv6. The Prime Ministers of Japan and Korea called for their countries to be leaders in IPv6 years ago. These three are the only elected officials to call for their country's respective IPv6 leadership, though many unelected officials in China, the European Union, and other countries, including the US, have called for IPv6 leadership. The Japanese have the best plan.
Federal spending on IPv6 outside the US has been over $800 million, vs. about $8 million by the US. | |
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