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Begin bending to DMCA takedown requests
by Karl Bode Tuesday 24-May-2005 tags: Fileswapping
Bit Torrent creator Bram Cohen and torrent search engines have so far dodged the ire of the entertainment industry. But with search sites bending to DMCA takedown requests, and Cohen launching a torrent search site of his own, both seem headed for a showdown with the entertainment industry.

Case in point: The band the White Stripes has an album that's set to hit stores on June 7. Unfortunately for the band and their label, the album hit torrent trackers this week and was freely available for download to anyone with a broadband connection.

As of yesterday, the album's torrent file was searchable via TorrentSpy.com. As of today, a search at TorrentSpy finds either no results, or the following message: "This search query has been blocked at the request of the copyright holder, in compliance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)." All White Stripes content is gone, not just the illegal torrents.

Can small sites dedicated to torrent searches handle the coming flood of takedown requests? Probably not. But perhaps a larger one can.

Bit Torrent's creator Bram Cohen has announced plans to launch an ad-driven Torrent Search engine. While waxing poetic over legit use and free speech in press interviews, (see Wired News report), it's clear that pirates certainly aren't going to hurt ad revenue. Bit Torrent now contributes to an estimated 54% of all p2p traffic.

As such, it will be in their best financial interests to continue allowing pirated material to appear in searches. That puts Cohen - who up until now had avoided MP/RIAA contact, directly in the entertainment industry's line of fire.

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Damon85
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It CAN be used for legal purposes

...only it had to become popular first, so it could be adopted by the masses. It wasn't likely for that to happen unless it was a popular purpose -- like pre-release movie and music distribution.

In my opinion, looking for music illegally was a lot easier in the old days... now it's just easier to get it from iTunes et al.

Kfedka
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Re: It CAN be used for legal purposes

"In my opinion, looking for music illegally was a lot easier in the old days..."

Yup, but today its much easier looking for movies than it used to be. Also you can know that they are legit files as well.:D

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Re: It CAN be used for legal purposes

said by Kfedka:

"In my opinion, looking for music illegally was a lot easier in the old days..."

Yup, but today its much easier looking for movies than it used to be. Also you can know that they are legit files as well.:D
Just what are the old days in your age group?
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Vchat20
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Re: It CAN be used for legal purposes

old days for me (im 18) would be back when napster (the free version) was still alive and kickin'

John Galt
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Re: It CAN be used for legal purposes

said by Vchat20:

old days for me (im 18) would be back when napster (the free version) was still alive and kickin'
WOW...that long ago, eh?


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Vchat20
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Re: It CAN be used for legal purposes

yeah. that long ago. back when dialup was still rampant. oh. wait. dialup is still rampant thanks to fucked up politicians. :D

Subaru
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I been seeing those messages alot now

Good thing other torrent search sites don't block with that message.

joesmith222

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Long live BT

Ever heard of The Pirate Bay? Long live bittorrent and so-called "illegal" content.

Jerm

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yeah...

I'd like to see the **AAs shut down the Chinese, Russian, and Eastern European country's "illegal" BT sites.

Oh wait, thats right, they can't! Love live the global, unregulated Internet!

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Re: yeah...

said by Jerm:

I'd like to see the **AAs shut down the Chinese, Russian, and Eastern European country's "illegal" BT sites.

Oh wait, thats right, they can't! Love live the global, unregulated Internet!
I believe that IFPI (the international version of RIAA) has already tried to get Moscow prosecutor to shut down AllOfMP3.com and has failed miserably.
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Cheeze It9

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WASTE

Who cares.....internet piracy will never be killed....

Case in point.....

WASTE

mrchris
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Before the trolls post..

 
don't feed the trolls!

jarablue
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Re: Before the trolls post..

I'm not a troll but I think people should get paid for their work. How would you like it if someone was blatantly ripping you off?
alexk6

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Re: Before the trolls post..

We do get ripped off for our work. Its called income tax or property tax. Or speeding tickets.

guitarzan
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Re: Before the trolls post..

Don't forget cable TV's always rising rates.School tax hikes.A right to work tax.Politicians yearly benefit packages and pay increases.
Ex presidents lifetime security,lifetime free no postage needed perk.Phishing scams.We the sheeple are getting ripped off in so many ways.Yet continue bending over for it.I find it alarming that you're offended about a stupid song or picture being used.Honestly I'm not wanting to flame you.To each his own though.
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Re: Before the trolls post..

The renew your car tag crap and they do nothing if anything with the money except piss it away.

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said by alexk6:

We do get ripped off for our work. Its called income tax or property tax. Or speeding tickets.
If you're speeding, you're guilty. Pay up, Sucka!

Income tax is a whole 'nother thing, though.

Should have quit while you were ahead...!


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Re: Before the trolls post..

said by John Galt:

If you're speeding, you're guilty. Pay up, Sucka!
Hey, I'm in the process of fighting a parking ticket which I more than deserved to get, just because I hate Bloomberg with passion.

Now flame away!
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Re: Before the trolls post..

No speed limit on the AutoBahn, few accidents. Speeding Tickets are for revenue gathering purposes only, regardless of how much police cry about safe driving.

ewok1100

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Re: Before the trolls post..

germany also uses an enforced policy of "drive right" i believe it's called. it means when you aren't passing you move to the right lane and stay there. when's the last time you saw *that* on a us road?

they also enforce that policy with tickets from what i remember...... that means no more dawdling in the left lane for your grandparents, etc.

the speed limit was also somewhat instituted with the idea of saving gas in mind, it has risen since then, but you get the drift......

as far as the actual topic, i'm kind of sick of it. i wish all the aa's would find some place to curl up and die. they really haven't solved anything or even made a dent from what i've seen, and all this is managing to do probably is increase the prices. so when no one will buy the $50 cd because riaa had to use the extra money to pay lawyers and hackers and whoever the else...... just my 2 cents, it's a never ending spiral that i can't see the aa's winning.

and yes, they also employ hackers of a sort. they employ companies to send fake files over the internet named as other files. i have also been scanned by them repeatedly when i used to download, there's programs now to detect that. i have even heard rumors that they might send out some of their own files in a form of entrapment, altho i haven't seen this personally. there was even the case of kazaa sueing riaa for using an unauthorized copy of their software to obtain people names to sue. (kazaa lite)

so i guess the end *does* justify the means. you'd be screwed for scanning them i bet, but it's ok for them to do it to you because they can afford lawyers?
theyipper

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Artists/actors get prepaid and/or complete their pay when their work is completed, not when the product goes public or is released to the public.

Music artists mainly receive their income from touring.

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How do you feel about ripping off the artist that made the pic's you show? Did you pay them? Sure the text mite be yours but the picture is not. Don't illustrators have rights too?

The jim B pic is from a pirate picture site that sells Tee shirts without the consent of the owners. They are making money off this and pirating the industry your trying to protect. AHAH what a joke!

Warez know the true rule do not sell for profit and support the industry in every group NFO.

You are a mockery of what you say.

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why do you people feel the need to insert graphics in your posts? Are your 'members' so small that you have to attract attention to yourself (and your point) with loud and distracting images?

Maybe if this site held it's participants up to standards of behavior it wouldn't be losing so many of the reasonably sane and informed posters.

We wouldn't have stupid posts like this about feeding trolls (because the trolls would be banned) or stuff like this »BlackViper either.

God save the world. Until then, at least do your part to not do any (further) harm.

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Little boys

Will always have a place to play. Real MEN use (edit) for the sake of the other option we don't want little boys to know about.! just in case.

jarablue
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Re: Little boys

The less people know about newsgroups the better.

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Re: Little boys

said by jarablue:

The less people know about ahem the better.
Edit yours now you are right! my son is an IRC group member and knows what I can do and want's it bad. But at 16 nope can't trust him not to send to BT's or upload to FTP's.

Your right now edit your post!
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Hi

"How would you like it if someone was blatantly ripping you off?"

They aren't ripping off an individual. They are ripping off a company. Bad comparison, wrong argument.

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Ripping off artists?

The real people behind ripping off the artists is the companies. They take almost every bit of profit from sold CD's. The only way an artist makes his/her money is by doing concerts.

I don't agree with any argument about "ripping off the artists".

I also love how dumbwitted people are. People still follow organizations like the MPAA even though they tell lies. The MPAA complains about losing money even though they are setting records. Look at movies like Star Wars and Spider-Man 2. Piracy was at its most last year and they still set records!

mrchris
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Re: Ripping off artists?

About 85-90% goes to the companies and remainder to artists.

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said by alamarco:

The real people behind ripping off the artists is the companies. They take almost every bit of profit from sold CD's. The only way an artist makes his/her money is by doing concerts.
The artist signed on the dotted line...they knew the rules of the game going in.

As to your other comment...at what point does it become "OK" to rip off a company...??

I guess it just depends where you set your moral slider, eh?

Say I come to the place that you work (I'm presuming about that...no offense intended) and steal a bunch of stuff because it is from "the company". I mean, I'm not stealing from YOU, a person, am I?

So if the Boss loses his ass and the company folds, how does that hurt you?
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About the "signing the dotted line" . . . I didn't sign any dotted line to not download, does that mean it's right?

I guess it depends on what we see as moral. If the companies were moral and gave us fair prices and didn't rip off the artists than I'd be happy to purchase an album or DVD.

If I were in the situation that the companies are in I'd be more than happy enough to care if someone stole from me. Not only do I have enough to pay 1000's of employee's, but I have enough to make a couch out of money and still have plenty left over.

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klassik

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The Album

Just to be fair about the example album they're talking about in the story, was a Web RIP. The album in question was up for anyone to listen to via a web stream. All someone did was rip that stream and put it in to mp3 format, hardly CD quality.
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YeahThatsRight

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All P2P facilitators of theft will go to prison.

...as it should be.

Re: All P2P facilitators of theft will go to priso

Yeah keep telling yourself that
wilburyan

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Re: All P2P facilitators of theft will go to prison.

and i live on candy lane... in a gum drop house.

Torrentz

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Another torrent search site

»www.madtorrent.com MadTorrent.com is another torrent search engine that works quite well

Torrents

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Re: Another torrent search site

»www.madtorrent.com/top/ Interesting Search results

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