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| Re: Makes it easy said by yabos  :Bittorrent makes it easy to download the movies but it's not bittorrent that leaked the movie, it was someone that works for Lucas Arts. Lucasfilm you meant. Arts does games. Unless it was from that department? | |
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| Re: Makes it easy said by antdude :said by yabos :Bittorrent makes it easy to download the movies but it's not bittorrent that leaked the movie, it was someone that works for Lucas Arts. Lucasfilm you meant. Arts does games. Unless it was from that department? i doubt lucas film would let the game developers see anything then a before offical release viewing of the completed film. | |
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| Re: Makes it easy said by BonezX :said by antdude :said by yabos :Bittorrent makes it easy to download the movies but it's not bittorrent that leaked the movie, it was someone that works for Lucas Arts. Lucasfilm you meant. Arts does games. Unless it was from that department? i doubt lucas film would let the game developers see anything then a before offical release viewing of the completed film. Well, then how would the game developers make the games if they have no idea what the movie looks like? :P I am pretty sure they will see something even in rough draft status. Look at Original Trilogy DVD with its ROTS game's behind the scene. | |
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join:2002-01-22
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| except for total termination of screeners and microchip R&D level security at the studios then screener leaks cant be stopped as no form of DRM is unbreakable. even the best encryption is only as far as the decode layer of the DVD player from there to the TV its unecrypted and recordable by any device lacking a macrovision chip.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | So What is new It is obvious from the p2pnet posting Hollywood really doesn't care how these movies make it to Bit Torrent, they just hate Bit Torrent and anything else digital. | |
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| Re: So What is new Its conceivable in the future that people would pay a low cost (pennies on the dollar) for the convenience of 1st, 2nd, 3rd teir movies to be dowloadable/streamed over the internet at 25+megabits (when technology catches up) or currently possible via Verizons FIOS, but the decision has to be made to accept a lower price from some rather than no price from many.. The music industry has all-but lost its battle, but the movie industry as so few prescious months left before technology improvements (25+megabits) make streaming/downloaing a REALLY big thing, on par with downloading 128-192kbit mp3s 8 years ago. But sadly its not the way the movie industry wants to go, they'll go lockstep downward in that spiral just as the riaa has done... | |
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| Re: So What is new said by Nerdtalker :said by Transmaster :they just hate Bit Torrent and anything else digital. Except for when they create a film that is almost entirely CG.  Got that right, they are saying Revenge of the Sith is 60% CG and it can qualify for an Oscar in the best animation category
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| Personally. I don't personally agree with downloading movies that are still in theatres. DVDs are fine... but not movies still in theatres. But whatever.
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| Re: Personally. said by Sean :I don't personally agree with downloading movies that are still in theatres. DVDs are fine... but not movies still in theatres. But whatever. The more we let the MPAA fight their battle, the better off we are. They don't see that yet. We need to stop telling them their wrong. Let them fight, let them lose. I agree, I feel I am getting my moneys worth on DVD's if I have to wait for the release that is fine. It is a waste to download these crappy copies. I downloaded a bootleg copy of Chamber of Secrets just out of curiosity it took hours and it was so bad I deleted it after a few minutes of viewing. I simply will not waste my time.
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| Re: Personally. said by Transmaster :said by Sean :I don't personally agree with downloading movies that are still in theatres. DVDs are fine... but not movies still in theatres. But whatever. The more we let the MPAA fight their battle, the better off we are. They don't see that yet. We need to stop telling them their wrong. Let them fight, let them lose. I agree, I feel I am getting my moneys worth on DVD's if I have to wait for the release that is fine. It is a waste to download these crappy copies. I downloaded a bootleg copy of Chamber of Secrets just out of curiosity it took hours and it was so bad I deleted it after a few minutes of viewing. I simply will not waste my time. Well, thats why you have to look for the good copies to come out. When new movies come out, usally for the first week or so, its all Screeners.(someone in the movie with a cam corder) Wait a few weeks till they get ahold of the DVD's then rip them to SVCD's then download those. They are usally over 2Gigs. Anything below 1.7Gig, dont waste your time.
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| Re: Personally. said by r81984 :I am sorry you do not know how to find good copies of movies. There are screeners that look great and some that are awful. But anyways I would never pay to go to the theater in my town (Schererville,IN). It is the worst place to go. All they want is your money. It is too packed, and ghetto people always have to talk during it. You cant even use cash at the consession stand anymore. You have to buy movie bucks from the ticket counter, then wait in line, and pay for food with those movie bucks. It makes no sense because you have no idea how much movie bucks you will need. Also think about the gas you have to waste to get there and all the time wasted in lines. As long as theaters are not an enjoyable experience I will keep downloading movies for free. I couldn't agree more.
Actually GOING to the movies these days has become more of a hassle than its worth.
I might go to see some BIG release, but not normally.
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1) High ticket priced
2) Concession prices
3) I find that there is always some low-life sitting near me that decides he must have a running commentary through the whole movie, or talk to his friends about something completely unrelated.
4) Some MORON decides to bring their kid to the theater. This kid proceeds to cry/kick/make noise, and it is a RARE occasion that the parent actually takes the child out of the the theater when they will not stop.
I have nothing against kids. I have a problem with parents not being responsbile for them.
Also, I can't BELIEVE how young some kids are that are being brought into the theaters. Their ears should not be exposed to this type of noise.
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| said by Sean :I don't personally agree with downloading movies that are still in theatres. DVDs are fine... but not movies still in theatres. But whatever. I actually do the opposite. If I liked a movie in theater, I would download a screener so that I can watch it at home instead of visiting the theater multiple times until it is officially released on DVD. Once the DVD comes out, I buy it and trash the screener.
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said by djrobx :I might utilize your philosophy if I actually liked anything Hollywood was putting out. Well that's another reason why people out there are downloading. They see a screener, realize that the movie sucks, and never see it on a big screen. By taking downloading out of the equation, MPAA hopes to bring the curious ones to the theaters. Think about it, they go to see some unknown movie, find out that it sucks, but by then it is too late, they've already spent the money on tickets.
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Though, I don't buy DVDs, simply because I refuse to pay $24 for a movie + 234820482 hours of footage I'll never watch. I want the movie, and maybe an hour or two of behind the scenes stuff. Not 92357 hours. I'm confident the price would go down to $15 if they just put the movie on there. | |
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| Re: Personally. $24? You must be shopping at the wrong places. There are plenty of stores that sell DVDs for less than that. Also, waiting a while for the price to drop helps. I wish the same could be said for CDs.
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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| Re: Personally. said by ArchAngel21x :$24? You must be shopping at the wrong places. There are plenty of stores that sell DVDs for less than that. Also, waiting a while for the price to drop helps. I wish the same could be said for CDs. This is the same though I had. As for the extra stuff to me this is what gives such DVD's the value. The movies are interesting for sure but the extras make for a complete document. An example is The Attack of the Clones. One of the playback options includes the director, editor, and Geo' Lucas in a voice track where they discuss each of the scenes, how they where made, when they where made etc.
This is fascinating to me while the Movie is great entertainment I also enjoy learning how these movies are fashioned.
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| said by ArchAngel21x :$24? You must be shopping at the wrong places. There are plenty of stores that sell DVDs for less than that. Also, waiting a while for the price to drop helps. I agree. $24 for a DVD is way too much. Actually, my local Blockbuster tries to charge that much for new releases, but this is one of the reasons why I don't do business with Blockbuster any more. Thanks to »www.dvdpricesearch.com, I buy most of my DVDs for half of that if not less.
Yes, sometimes they release special edition DVDs of some big hit movies that have tons of extras, special packaging, collectible items, etc. included in the package, and these sets usually cost more than ordinary plain versions of the same movie. But if you are looking at a regular edition of the movie with extras cut down to bare minimum, you shouldn't be spending more than $15 on it.
said by ArchAngel21x :I wish the same could be said for CDs. I believe that a while ago someone made a post on this site saying that they literally saw a Harry Potter DVD with a price tag of $15, and right next to it in the same store a CD with soundtrack from the same Harry Potter movie for $20.
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| Re: Personally. said by Pirate515 :I believe that a while ago someone made a post on this site saying that they literally saw a Harry Potter DVD with a price tag of $15, and right next to it in the same store a CD with soundtrack from the same Harry Potter movie for $20. That is another reason for falling CD sales that the RIAA doesn't want to talk about. The entertainment value of a CD compared to other entertainment just isn't there anymore.
I was walking through target and they have DVDs for $7-$10 by the checkout - making them an impulse buy. You can get new release movies (ie: Harry Potter, Robots) for $16-$18 dollars from Circuit City or Best Buy the week they come out. I couple this with the lack of music that I like being produced today and for me the choice is simple - I am sure others are making the same choices.
One of the great promises for CDs when they first came out was that they were so much cheaper to produce, but where did the savings go? Straight to profits. The RIAA did what many industries have done - priced themselves out of relevance.
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| Re: Personally. said by TheGhost :DVDs for $7-$10 by the checkout Those cheap DVDs are one reason I have over 100 DVDs. The thing I don't like about DVDs is how 6 - 12 months later a special edition will come out. Then I wish I had just waited.
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | Of course Of course it is a inside job. They just don't appear out of the sky..
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Morristown, NJ
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| Re: Of course said by CPM :Of course it is a inside job. They just don't appear out of the sky.. The full AT&T report: »p2pnet.net/stuff/drm.pdf
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | cant blame the p2p app for network content thats like blaming the people that designed todays modern roads because someone that robbed a bank used that road to escape. i tell ya these mpaa people are proving themselves to be more and more clueless as time progresses. | |
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| Easier to nail end users It's easier for the MPAA to go after the end user than to look from within their own organization. The little peon down loaders with few resources to fight the MPAA organization will most likely settle than fight in court. The "insiders" with access to these works are likely more powerful, and the MPAA would never want to piss these important executives off! It's easier for MPAA to get their government cronies to pass laws that put the burden on individual file sharers, most who are young people with little resources. Our government has no problems running roughshod over individual rights when it comes to protecting their high dollar friends. Have you heard about the new "catch all" law called "The Patriot Act"? | |
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| Whar tripe ! Trying to justify Piracy is hopeless. Everyone knows stealing is a crime and you can whine all the way to your prison cell - exactly where all criminals, aka Pirates belong. Blaming the MPAA for some internal leaks does not in any way justify theft or facilitation and distribution of stolen property. All Pirates and P2P facilitators will do prison time at the end of the day - as it should be. | |
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jojodancer
join:2003-07-22
Burlington, VT | Star wars If pirated films affect hollywood's bottom line, then how come Revenge of the Sith set an opening day record for revenue?
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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| Ironic, isn't it? What's sad is that my brother had recently purchased the new unrated Team America: World Police DVD, and about the first 5-10 minutes of playing the DVD were all anti-piracy ads against people buying pirated movies.
Considering it was a legitimately purchased DVD movie, I found it rather offensive that I'd have to sit through that garbage every time I want to play a movie... it motivated me more to pirate the movie just to spite them and not have to bear with said "opening ad."  :o;):p
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| Re: Ironic, isn't it? damn straight. My girlfriend and I were watching some movie a few nights ago and we agreed that whenever we rent a movie that we like, that I should rip it afterwards, so that if we view it again we don't have to sit through all of that lame crap.
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| said by C0deZer0 :What's sad is that my brother had recently purchased the new unrated Team America: World Police DVD, and about the first 5-10 minutes of playing the DVD were all anti-piracy ads against people buying pirated movies. Considering it was a legitimately purchased DVD movie, I found it rather offensive that I'd have to sit through that garbage every time I want to play a movie... it motivated me more to pirate the movie just to spite them and not have to bear with said "opening ad." :o;):p Way to go MPAA! So the people who legitimately purchased or rented this movie have to sit through all this crap. On the other hand, a bootlegged copy probably has this crap edited out, or at the very least ripped with PUOs disabled so that it can be bypassed.
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| What do they mean bittorrent? Thats like blaming ie's download box if someone hosted star wars on a ftp or http server and people were downloading it with IE. Or one companies irc client or news reader being blamed for all downloading over those kinds of networks wether everyone uses that companies client or not. And haven't they learned, by attacking a technology a new one will pop up. | |
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| MPAA The MPAA sound like a bunch of whinny babies. All these threats make people want to DL more Movies and Music. I have already seen Star Wars Episode 3 two times downloaded it and plan to buy it when it come out. So how are they loosing money again? | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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Minas Tirith
| RIAA and MPAA - the same story A artist puts out promo that they're going to release a new album - before it hits the streets, they're a bootleg out.
Same thing happens with a movie.
Now tell me that's not an inside job.
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keeper of the magic blue smoke
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| They are such a bunch of liars! I look at it this way,
The people who download movies are the same people who would not have bothered to go see it anyway.
The same goes for music too. Look at those people who have huge multi-gig music collections. Do you honestly think that those same people would have that same collection on hundreds or thousands of CD's if there was no internet? I didn't think so!
The advent of the internet hasn't hit the MPAA or RIAA in the pocket book as much as they would like us to think it has. Those who would go see it in the theater will. Those who want to buy CD's will. The internet just gives those who would not have otherwise gone to see the movie, or bought the CD, that material. It's not taking away customers the way they say it does. It would be like Red Lobster compaining that Mc Donalds is stealing away all of their business.
Adapt or die. They need to embrace the internet rather than fight it. The giant steamroller it has become will otherwise mash them into nothingness. Making low resolution movies and audio available free on the internet would be a smart way to start. I love to download an album before I buy it! It keeps me from buying a $15 lump of %$#@ for just that one good song! If I like it though, I still buy the album. Honestly, I buy FAR MORE movies and music now than I did before the internet. Case in point, Metallica S&M. I heard the song No Leaf Clover on the radio and I really liked it. I searched around and downloaded the first disc of the set. I liked it so much I went out and blew $30 on the 2 disc DVD set. There is no way in hell I would have bought set any other way. I just don't make it a habit of going around and buying expensive concert DVD sets. So there's a $30 sale that they would not have had without piracy. I have purchased countless movies and albums this way that I wouldn't have otherwise.
And come on now! We want the nice DD, DTS, THX, stadium-seating theaters with 10 bazillion square foot screens, and we complain of the ticket prices? Here's an idea, give it a couple months and spring for the $3.99 rental at Hastings or order one from Netflix. Do you think they just go around building multi-million dollar theaters just for the fun of it?
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| Re: do the math... "Renting the DVD when it comes out 6-8 months later (yes I can wait that long) is about $3 a pop at my local non-Blockbuster video store. "
I am cheaper then That . when a New DVD releases our local library usually has it available within a week. price=free.
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| Legal Star Wars torrents It amazes me with all the discussion of the Episode III torrents that nobody brings up the for-free fan film Star Wars: Revelations. A 40-minute Quicktime that runs 242MB was released a few weeks ago. Without BitTorrent, most of us would still be trying to download it - people who make and distribute movies for free can't afford mega-bandwidth. With Bittorrent, I was watching it an hour after I heard about it. This is why the **AA will never stop BitTorrent as a whole - there are legitimate uses for it, even outside the sphere of Linux distribution. This is what the judge ruled in a recent case regarding BitTorrent piracy - just because the system can be used against the law is no reason to scrap the system.
I downloaded a few movies a loooong time ago, but I quickly realized it was a lot of trouble for something that would be pretty pointless after the DVD came out. One exception to this was Star Wars: Episode 1. The downloaded version I kept because it is the exact film that I saw in the theatres on opening day. The DVD version never played in a theatre, at least not prior to the DVD's release. (Is it the version they show nowadays, like in the pre-III marathon screening?) I like the original versions - I haven't bought the new OT DVDs because I have the $250 "Definitive Collection" laserdiscs, and -those- are the films I remember from my childhood, and -those- are the films I want to watch again and again. If Lucas would give us "Original" and "S.E." DVDs, then this argument would be moot, but as long as he monkeys with the films, I want a copy of the original theatrical releases. (Of course, this argument falls apart with a "workprint" of III, but whaddayagonnado.) And, unlike downloading MP3s of an album, which means I'll probably never buy the CD itself unless I really really like it, downloading an inferior quality pre-release movie bootleg means I like the movie enough to probably go buy the DVD when it comes out. (Although wouldn't it be nice if by the time Sith was ready for official home-video release it came on a dual-sided disc with a regular DVD version on one side and an HDTV version on the other? Please??)
Star Wars - Revelations link: »www.panicstruckpro.com/revelations/
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) and some snacks for another $5 or $10. Movie night will run me about $15 tops for two: refreshments, comfort and convenience included.