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join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Give use lower prices! *curses Charter* | |
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join:2001-03-21
Smyrna, GA | Re: Give use lower prices! Curses Charter Business Services even more... | |
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TheSaint
join:2002-01-25
Atascadero, CA
clubs: | Re: Give use lower prices! Charter is simply old-school in two areas:
Pricing & upgrades.
They are your father's cable company.
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join:2005-03-29
Lake Linden, MI | Re: Give use lower prices! Dually Noted. Charter is highly inefficient. | |
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| at first it was dial up vs. dsl, no brainer
now its dsl vs cable, another no brainer, cable is way too expensive for its services & the dsl speeds are a whole 4-5 seconds slower.
one of these days you all will graduate to a t-1
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Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL | Revenue Growth Revenue growth will drive cable broadband pricing, not market share. If the market is growing overall, but the share is declining, they will still see revenue growth. As long as they see growth, the prices will not reflect any competitive pressure. | |
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Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | This isn't breaking news. It's not surprising me that DSL is on the rise. Cable has some unattractive traits that turn some users off: caps, shared bandwidth/over-crowed nodes, crappy tech support (non yet from Cox). | |
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join:2001-08-24
Miami, FL | Re: This isn't breaking news. verizon has been sharing bandwidth in there DSL. So, many slow downs on the east coast. | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Re: This isn't breaking news. Verizon PPPoE is different. I never did liked it or considered it ADSL. | |
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join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
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| said by CPM  :verizon has been sharing bandwidth in there DSL. So, many slow downs on the east coast. I am apparently fortunate. I have not seen any slowdowns or packet loss on my verison DSL line.
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Premium
join:2003-07-03
Jamaica Plain, MA
·Comcast
| Sharing bandwidth is different with DSL and cable. Obviously all ISP's share bandwidth - they aren't going to have a dedicated 3.0Mbps pipe for you or me. However DSL gives you full bandwidth between you and the ISP (point-to-point), whereas cable you also share bandwidth to the ISP's node. | |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
Premium
join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| said by Derch :It's not surprising me that DSL is on the rise. Cable has some unattractive traits that turn some users off: caps, shared bandwidth/over-crowed nodes, crappy tech support (non yet from Cox). No caps or useage resctriction on road runner in ohio. Not over crowded ither . Crappy tech support? Well name one isp with good tech support aand ill call you a lair. Ask them a question not in their script and they will stumble. Ive yet to find a large name is with support staff that knows what they are doing though some seem to this is simply because they have better scripts.
Now in most cases ive found that my isps (road runner) tech support does resolve most isues. Their biggest problem is thinking they know every thing. I had crappy cable service all around. I knew what the problem realy was it was the line from pole to house. It was nearly 18 years old yet the refused to replace this line. 4 replacement modems later one of the installers accualy cut the line and said it was a problem with the line it self having snapped heh. After he did that and was cleared to replace the line ive had no problems at all sence then. They cost them self a few bucks on that one less than they made from me over the years of course. Cable isps especially need to start listeing when their customers say hey look i know wha the problem is just come out here and replace this old worn out line and be done with it.
Realy thats the only problem cable has. My road runner runs 45 a month if you have cable tv i get upwards of 5200kb download on it. dial up account and secound phone line runs 40+ for alot less. Dsl is slower than cable most of the time less you realy lucky and have access to a dsl provider offering 6 megs a secound. Dsl has contracts that will nail you if you cancle for what ever reason most of the time. Then theres the limits on distance from telco that will keep the majority from getting dsl.
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Premium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY | Please use the spell check option, and just a little grammar. This would make it easier to read your post. | |
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join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY | I'll name one ISP with truly stellar tech support:
Speakeasy
Too bad the rest of the place smokes bananas.
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Heavily MODerated
Premium
join:2002-11-21
USA
| said by Derch :It's not surprising me that DSL is on the rise. Cable has some unattractive traits that turn some users off: caps, shared bandwidth/over-crowed nodes, crappy tech support (non yet from Cox). Provided you have the option for DSL. Most Comcast subscribers only have 1 choice for broadband. Until the other TELCO's get on the stick and install more CO's in those markets of Comcast, Comcast will always have the upper hand.
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join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | Re: This isn't breaking news. With the excellent service and reliability that Comcast have given me over the years they deserve two upper hands.
I had qwest dsl 2 years ago before comcast built out to my new home. qwest never approached 50% of claimed speeds. | |
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join:2003-08-13
Albuquerque, NM
| Re: This isn't breaking news. said by gpancner :With the excellent service and reliability that Comcast have given me over the years they deserve two upper hands. I had qwest dsl 2 years ago before comcast built out to my new home. qwest never approached 50% of claimed speeds. I think Qwest is probably the worst DSL value anyways. In my area, their 1.5/1 service cost nearly as much as CC standard 4 megabit service. And for those that qualify for higher speeds with Qwest, they charge another 10 dollars. Thus they blew an opportunity to rapidly gain some market share by remaining non competitive price wise.
CC policy to charge a penalty for HSI to those who cancell CC TV services has always been a sore spot for me. I wonder just how many TV customers they retain by doing that? Or if they lose more to satelite and DSL because of the predatory price policy. I think that policy probably helps DSL more then anything does. But it also keeps some people locked into a crummy overpriced tv service. In the end, I am left with compromise either way I go. Currently I sub to Dish and use CC HSI with the bare basic CC TV which saves me a couple of bucks off the predatory HSI pricing. That has always upset me and if Qwest would only provide me with a competing DSL package I would luv to dump all my comcast once and for all. | |
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join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA
| Re: This isn't breaking news. How is CC any more predatory than a DSL provider? If you don't take the landline phone, the bells charge you more for their DSL. CC HSI barebones for $10/more and getting almost 3 times the DSL download speed seems fair to me. And that $10 is cheaper than taking their basic cable.
Comcast's cable package here saves me money over Dish & Directv(I have 8 tv's) with no service problems ever.
With the claim that Qwest is the worst DSL value anyway, how could they ever offer a competitive package? | |
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Resident Redneck
join:2001-03-07
Hiawassee, GA
·Windstream
| Comcast vs Bellsouth=Comcast by a landslide I have left Comcast twice to try Bellsouth DSL, and their offshore tech support, horrible speeds, and pricing for a 1.5 mb line which was only $10 less than my 4 mb cable has caused me to warn anyone in my area away from them. CC has their issues as well, but between the two, well, I have made MY choice.
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@sfldmi.ameritech
| Re: Comcast vs Bellsouth=Comcast by a landslide
All I can say is my SBC DSL works as advertised and no slow downs at half of what Comcast wants, allthough I notice the latest offer Comcast is hyping is 6 months for 19.99. Perhaps when they go to 1 year like SBC has...
But then, I'm satisfied with SBC so why nbother to change after a year? especially when my bill will only go to $26? But then, one never knows...Many things can happen in a year... | |
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | wifi time I will just share my cable internet with neighbors as soon as wifi speeds increase. split the bill 3 ways and get directv | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA
| Cable for $59 a month or DSL for $19.99 Gee, is that a tough question or what?
$59 to look at yahoo and email faster or $20 to look at yahoo and email and still have cash to buy a couple DVDs 
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Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| Re: Cable for $59 a month or DSL for $19.99 said by jdir :Gee, is that a tough question or what? $59 to look at yahoo and email faster or $20 to look at yahoo and email and still have cash to buy a couple DVDs For $60/month, you could download more DVDs than you would be able to buy in that $720/year savings.
I know I do - but for $30.
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | Re: Cable for $59 a month or DSL for $19.99 Download DVD quality is just crap.
The real stuff still look, sound better | |
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rms01
join:2004-12-01
Salem, OH
·Verizon Online DSL
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May 16th, @03:41PM
| Maybe... The cable companies are slowly starting to realize they need more competative pricing. I noticed while on Time Warner's site, they have lowered, at least for now, their rates for phone, internet, and TV to $39.95. Not too shabby if you ask me, especially for the phone package.:) | |
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join:2005-03-14
New Braintree, MA
| DSL Still needs to fix its distance issues! It is possible, to push DSL out further then 3.5 Miles from the CO. IDSL can do it why not ADSL? I know DSL is gonna go by-by in 20 years, but we need some deployment. I know you can push DSL out past 18k ft, you could probably push it to 30k feet. Just look at all these speed tiers, take Verizon for an example, 3.0/768 to 14k Ft, and 1.5 to 18k feet, Couldn't you push 768k, to 24k ft? C'mon seriously, Signal just doesn't magically disapear after 18k ft, now does it? I know they can push it out the distance its just they dont want to. Like Verizon knows IDSL can go to 50k ft but limits it it 18k ft, Why? Answer: They dont give ashit, even though they could make a killing off its pricing.
As for people saying 1.5 is slow, or 768k is slow. You're joking right? I'll give you my 40k Dial up for a week and you'll know whats slow. C'mon guys get me some DSL! | |
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Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL
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| Re: DSL Still needs to fix its distance issues! said by FTCXtreme :As for people saying 1.5 is slow, or 768k is slow. You're joking right? I'll give you my 40k Dial up for a week and you'll know whats slow. C'mon guys get me some DSL! Amen brother! I've had satellite so-called broadband for 3 years now. Centurytel has yet to get DSL to my neighborhood. I think they are putting up more RT's in the nearby cities for higher tiers and are not worried about the small neighborhoods.
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@tele.dk
| as usual you make an ass of yourself.... if they COULD do that dont you think they would? if DSL could provide maximum speeds as long as you were connected to a CO or remote then they would REALLY begin to rip in to cable's customers and they would make a killing.... its just that the technology isnt there yet and the new ADSL variants arent that hot imo.... still limited by 1mbit upload and the distance limitations are still bad for nextgen stuff | |
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join:2005-04-06
Arroyo Grande, CA
| Any suggestions on getting a DSL provider to give you service beyond the standard 18,000 feet?
I'm at 21,000' from one CO, and 26,000' from another CO. Cable and Wireless are not available at my location. I set up an appointment for IDSL, but at $100/month for 144/144, I would prefer to take my chances with marginal, yet cheaper DSL.
Thanks for you suggestions. | |
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The Final Frontier
join:2002-01-10
Valparaiso, IN
·Comcast
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| The choice is clear for me Comcast: 19.99/ for 12 months
2005-05-16 22:37:50 Speed test @ chi.speakeasy.net 4111/321 kbps
Or Verizon: 29.99/month
Verizon Online DSL Is Not Available
Verizon Online DSL is not currently available on (***) ***-****.
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