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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by Skippy25 :Maybe they should just worry about the OS working as it should and being as secure as it can be. they can only do so much with an OS. After thats its up to the End User to keep the machine clean and such
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by Chump :said by Skippy25 :Maybe they should just worry about the OS working as it should and being as secure as it can be. they can only do so much with an OS. After thats its up to the End User to keep the machine clean and such I couldnt agree more, people need to be more educated on using a computer. I have been on highspeed internet since win 3.1 and Im yet to have a security breach or virus. Most problems can be blamed on the end user and not on the OS. | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by wriley :said by Chump :said by Skippy25 :Maybe they should just worry about the OS working as it should and being as secure as it can be. I have been on highspeed internet since win 3.1 and Im yet to have a security breach or virus. Most problems can be blamed on the end user and not on the OS. I was unaware high speed internet exsisted back in the days of Windows 3.1. Yet alone how Windows 3.1 could access the internet with anything better than dial-up? --
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by Dustyn :Maybe they should just worry about the OS working as it should and being as secure as it can be.
I have been on highspeed internet since win 3.1 and Im yet to have a security breach or virus. Most problems can be blamed on the end user and not on the OS. I was unaware high speed internet exsisted back in the days of Windows 3.1. Yet alone how Windows 3.1 could access the internet with anything better than dial-up? Windows 3.11 + LAN networking (via 3rd party TCP/IP) + office internet connection (fractional T1). I've seen it. 
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. I highly doubt that campus in those days had high speed. More like daisy chained dial-up connections fed to the campus network to give the illusion they were running a high speed connection.
BTW what's a trough...?
I should be a little more educated huh? 
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by Dustyn :I highly doubt that campus in those days had high speed. More like daisy chained dial-up connections fed to the campus network to give the illusion they were running a high speed connection. BTW what's a trough...?I should be a little more educated huh? Well that's what you think. They had at least one T1 line and there was a campus-wide fiber optic network at the time. I am not talking about a small community college. That was a big state university campus.
The WWW was just born at the time and the high bandwidth content we are used to see today didn't exist yet. A couple of T1 lines was plenty of bandwidth for everyone. | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. With all due respect your majesty, but you shouldn't scoff.
Don't laugh, my employer at the time had Internet access running into the building when the place was loaded with Windows 3.1. It wasn't "high speed" by any stretch of the imagination, a fractional T1, but it sure was a whole world faster than the 28.8 modems of the day. All the desktops ran Spry's Internet in a Box.
I can think of a commercial bulletin board system that had frac circuits dumping into their office thinnet coax networks. Windows 3.1 machines, chugging along with Trumpet Winsock hanging out on the Internet.
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| said by RayMorris :said by wriley :I have been on highspeed internet since win 3.1 and Im yet to have a security breach or virus. Ok, And I'm the king of england I hate to say it, but he is right. My first high speed internet access was in college. We had a fast internet connection and used Win 3.1 to get out using Netscape 2.0 I believe. This was back in 1995 though and was on a college campus. @Home didn't start their rollouts in beta to the home until late 1996.
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| said by wriley :said by Chump :I have been on highspeed internet since win 3.1 and Im yet to have a security breach or virus. Haha, best quote ever | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. Actually, this probably isn't a joke. While I wouldn't call it "high-speed Internet", I too used a _DOS_ (no Windows) machine with full Internet access in 1990. I could telnet and ftp to any host with this system.
Of course, the "World Wide Web" wasn't really in existence in 1990 - but there were plenty of other protocols, like ARCHIE and OSCAR, along with FTP and TELNET.
Remember, the ARPANET existed back in the late 60's, and there were many firms that sold TCP/IP stacks for DOS in the 80's. With Trumpet Winsock (which was made obsolete by the built-in stack in Win3.11 for work groups), you could make a Win3.1 machine talk just fine on a network. I used Trumpet for many years in school to connect to the campus LAN so I could telnet to the engineering Unix host.
What the O/P probably was referring to was the fact that there weren't that many Windows services in those days, so there weren't many things TO breach on a DOS/Windows box. All the "real" hosts were running Unix or VMS - which could, and were, hacked. | |
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| said by Chump :they can only do so much with an OS. After thats its up to the End User to keep the machine clean and such
But then why should I, as an end user, be expected to turn around and pay extra to that same OS manufacturer to keep their own software "safe" and "secure" from the kinds of things that they should be plugging up anyway with frequent [and free] patches and updates? If they can get away with it, this is gonna be a pretty lucrative protection racket for Microsoft. --
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by BuriedCaesar :said by Chump :But then why should I, as an end user, be expected to turn around and pay extra to that same OS manufacturer to keep their own software "safe" and "secure" from the kinds of things that they should be plugging up anyway with frequent [and free] patches and updates? If they can get away with it, this is gonna be a pretty lucrative protection racket for Microsoft. their software is about safe as it can be. yeah bugs and stuff are going to be found, they do provided patches and updates for FREE! Who Says you have to use their service? There keeping the end use safer and securer. --
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. You say Windows products are "safe as it can be" - can you prove that statement? Clearly, since Microsoft is planning to offer a "service" to even further "protect" end users from malicious attackers against its own software, that's can't be the case.
And that means I will have to pay extra for what you call "securer" software that is made by the same company that created the software that isn't secure in the first place. That, to me, seems like a mob-type protection racket. Microsoft is essentially saying "You pay us for the software to protect your system from our software, or you may have problems".
Where's the logic in that?
(Just curious - is English your first language?)
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4 edits | Re: Concentrate on the OS. I agree this would be a great service. There are so many people out there that all they want is for their computer to work when they use them. About all they know about the machine they are sitting down in front of is that is has a on off switch and it sends e-mail and gets on the internet. They don't know what a virus is, spam what?, zombie, oh yes this a green drink down at the bar. Those of use who know the what the ins and outs of our computers don't need it but let's not look down are noses at those that do.
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| said by Skippy25 :This could not only be a possible monopolistic problem, but a conflict of interest as well. Nope. Maintenance is the responsibility of the end user. Offering a service that would perform said maintenance is not a conflict of interest. Just like your car dealer offering tune-ups and oil changes. If you're not going to do it, you pay someone to do it for you.
Yes MS may have an upper hand in this realm, but what they're offering is legit. Monopolistic it may sound, but since when hasn't MS been monopolistic or at least appeared to be. | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by Plldwnyrpnts : Just like your car dealer offering tune-ups and oil changes. If you're not going to do it, you pay someone to do it for you. I don't agree that it's the same as going to a car dealer for tune-ups and oil changes. To me it is more like you buying a car from the dealer and they fail to put the door locks and alarm on and you have to go back to them and pay them to add them.
To keep with the car analogy, thieves are always finding new ways to steal cars as well, just like hackers and spyware entering your computer, but the manufacturers of those cars keep making changes to make it more and more difficult to steal them. | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. said by DevilDog3 :said by Plldwnyrpnts : Just like your car dealer offering tune-ups and oil changes. If you're not going to do it, you pay someone to do it for you. I don't agree that it's the same as going to a car dealer for tune-ups and oil changes. To me it is more like you buying a car from the dealer and they fail to put the door locks and alarm on and you have to go back to them and pay them to add them. To keep with the car analogy, thieves are always finding new ways to steal cars as well, just like hackers and spyware entering your computer, but the manufacturers of those cars keep making changes to make it more and more difficult to steal them. and of corse you pay a premium for those changes.
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| said by Skippy25 :Maybe they should just worry about the OS working as it should and being as secure as it can be. This could not only be a possible monopolistic problem, but a conflict of interest as well. Please. That is like saying car manufactures should keep focusing on cars so that people dont have to change their oil, or crash from piss poor driving. Its an optional service, if someone doesn't know how to do it they can pay to have it done. Is it a conflict of interest for Ford to offer to change oil for a fee??? | |
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| Re: Concentrate on the OS. An OS and software are not the same thing as a car and I hope you are intelligent enough to see the difference without me getting the crayons out to draw you a picture.
I know it is impossible to build a 100% secure OS, it simply will never happen. My point is just simply they should do the best they can and then patch as needed as they are now for FREE to anyone and everyone.
Conflict of interest - Once this service becomes a revenue generator the goal is to generate more revenue, not less. Salaries, bonuses, and employment will depend on it. If I control the sole reason for the problem, the resources to fix the problem, the time a problem is actually resolved, and to what extent it is resolved then I control the revenue stream and can adjust it anyway I like.
Not a single other company out there can fix a hole in the OS that allows a trojan to be installed. How about if MS's product here fixes it for their subscribers only which would add value to MS's service? They aren't required to fix OS bugs and certainly arent required to provide auto updates as they do now, but for subscribers they could and then leave the Norton's and the McAfee's to only detect and clean it when it arrives.
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| Not needed There are plenty of free (if not more effective and secure) ways of ensuring that your Windows-based PC isn't infected.
While this might help start reducing the number of zombie machines, I hardly expect it to be a cure-all for Windows-based security problems.
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| Re: Not needed You're not the "typical" Windows user...if you are even a Windows user.
Consumers just "want it to work." They don't mind paying for that convience either. This is a good service to offer.
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And the to the other duuueee
get a clue!!
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1 edit | said by Nerdtalker :There are plenty of free (if not more effective and secure) ways of ensuring that your Windows-based PC isn't infected. One of the ways is a limited user account.
However, for reasons already stated people are going to want freedom (no inconveniences, or popups asking for admin user to install a program or hardware) at the expense of overall security that can be achieved by having a limited user account alone (the gain is massive).
Anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-..., anti-..., etc... are of what I will now call "blacklisting tools". Simply under a full admin they serve as lists of unwanted software or malicious software so they can be kept out but still run as admin...
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| Microsoft's Problem is Gates Ego The man feels that if it's computer or home entertainment related then it should be made by MicroSoft.
Sorry gates but MS does not have a monopoly on the worlds thinkers and you just squashing out good ideas becuase they did not come from MS is just bad business. | |
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ROTFLMFAO !!!
MS maintaining the computer ..... ya, uh-huh.
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Charging for what many mainstream vendors (Symantec, Trend, Sygate, McAfee, etc) do for free online. DAMN I wanna buy some swampland !!
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| Re: It's like going back to the same doctor ... "It's like going back to the same doctor that gave you the poison pill on your last visit."
Well said. They have a monopoly on the OS, and a near monopoly on the browser, both are insecure, and they want to charge you to secure it. Way to go MS. | |
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|  Microsoft chooses the correct path 2nd time!!
who is the damn fool that expects me to have to WORRY ABOUT THIS DAMN machine that i have to spend so many hours maintaining!?!?
The damn thing should just be automatic!! Builtin to the OS... freaking repairs itself.. my mom stops calling me about the damn window that keeps popping up when she "goes onto the internet"
all us going to broadband.com are not normal users... we know about this crap... we (users of our level of knowledge) represent maybe 10% of all the computer users out there! (10% is probably waaaay stretching it).
Anywhere you go... computers and they're all SCREWED UP!!
Go to a non techie's house and check their computer out, guaranteed it will be in a sorry ass state... maybe they don't even use it anymore....
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Naperville, IL | Re: Microsoft chooses the correct path 2nd time!! Ahh, quite an elegant and well spoken post there, my friend. | |
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|  Re: Microsoft chooses the correct path 2nd time!!
Ah-hem. Is that a hint of sarcasm I detect in your post?
(* takes off a white glove, blows his nose in it and smaks Goober in the face. boogersnot drips from goobers chin and teeth *)
"Dos't thou issue me a challenge to a duel then? I dare thou to taunt me a second time!" Mr Toad croaks. "If thou waren't a'tauntin, manny a-sorries and i'll be on my way a-hoppin."
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| Re: Microsoft chooses the correct path 2nd time!! said by Mr Toad:
Hehehem... (* Mr Toad places the nozzle of the cheese whiz in his mouth and while spraying cheese all over the plays, yells *)
Ah-hem. Is that a hint of sarcasm I detect in your post?
(* takes off a white glove, blows his nose in it and smaks Goober in the face. boogersnot drips from goobers chin and teeth *)
"Dos't thou issue me a challenge to a duel then? I dare thou to taunt me a second time!" Mr Toad croaks. "If thou waren't a'tauntin, manny a-sorries and i'll be on my way a-hoppin."
(* smacks goober in face again, hops away *)
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SHITTY FORUM USE CASE:
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etc... etc... etc... computers suck.
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| WOW somebody else figured out their Biz model ! MICROSUCKS has been generating literally hundreds of billions of dollars each and every year thru violation of anti-trust laws by forcing Windows to be installed on all PC's and they have been convicted of same. To add to their hundreds of billions in annual forced installation revenue, MICROSUCKS charges $250 a pop for customers to BETA TEST their defective Windoze products and report the defects to MICROSUCKS. That's quite a friggin SCAM - sell defective goods then charge consumers to report the defects.
How long is MICROSUCKS PACT money gonna be able to BUY Capitol Hill before the BUMS are voted out and MICROSUCKS is held accountable for their criminal acts???? Dollar Bill and all the upper level management cronies should get life in prison without parole and all of their assets should be seized and sold to reimburse consumers who have been defrauded since the very first copy of Windoze was forced on PC mfgs. | |
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| Re: WOW somebody else figured out their Biz model said by SomebodyGotAclue:
MICROSUCKS has been generating literally hundreds of billions of dollars each and every year thru violation of anti-trust laws by forcing Windows to be installed on all PC's and they have been convicted of same. To add to their hundreds of billions in annual forced installation revenue, MICROSUCKS charges $250 a pop for customers to BETA TEST their defective Windoze products and report the defects to MICROSUCKS. That's quite a friggin SCAM - sell defective goods then charge consumers to report the defects.
How long is MICROSUCKS PACT money gonna be able to BUY Capitol Hill before the BUMS are voted out and MICROSUCKS is held accountable for their criminal acts???? Dollar Bill and all the upper level management cronies should get life in prison without parole and all of their assets should be seized and sold to reimburse consumers who have been defrauded since the very first copy of Windoze was forced on PC mfgs.
And what OS do you use?
Surly it can't be Windows since you hate MS so much. If you do use Windows then you're a hypocrite.
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| Re: WOW somebody else figured out their Biz model ! What was I thinking, I thought for the first time I was going to read an entire post about Microsoft and not see a troll. I mean everyone offer an intelligent reason why Microsoft should or not offer the service but you. Why waste your time reading something your not concerned about. Get a Life
BTW I do think this is a good idea for the audience there aiming at, the less Zombie PC out there the slower the virus travels, and I do not read the article above I read it from here »msn.com.com/2100-1009_22-5705430···ag=mymsn if its any different.
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| Re: WOW somebody else figured out their Biz model This is just sad. Not only do unregistered posts endure the scornfully glances of registered users who know they test 99.99% positive for troll, but why now must they suffer further disgrace at you hands. You are silly without being amusing. You state your opinion with conviction yet fail to convince. The mental image you project is that of a squawking parrot hopping about on a keyboard. The only conceivable method by which any merit could be attributed to you post would be if it had been written by a thousand monkeys, and you're 999 short.
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| It's like watching Cthulu and Lucifer slug it out Seriously. Think about it for a second: why would anti-virus companies *ever* want to come up with a piece of software that truly solves all virus problems intelligently? If they ever had the chance to write a virus scanning engine with heuristics based detection at a 100% success rate with no false positives on even unknown virii, they wouldn't do it. Why? They want to continue to sell you a new version each year. Sell you a subscription. Sell you a suite of security utils. Think about it.
They stay in business by just trying to be better than the competition, not the virus writers. I can't picture them as being any nicer than MS. Every business, at its heart, will do whatever it takes to stay alive. Just ask any business owner.
So we've got one camp of guys who will always keep a true fix just out of reach and continue to charge you for it vs. another camp that doesn't care if that industry can stay alive at all since it ain't their core revenue stream.
If the same mythical heuristics based system came to MS, they would gladly snap it up, integrate it, and charge you a subscription fee for it to operate. All anti virus companies would go out of business, but your computer would be virus free forever.
However, seeing as that magical system will never feasibly exist until we have very powerful AI capable of thinking like a human tracking virii, I can't see MS being in the game charging just like anyone else really mattering. So long as they keep basic patches FREE to the rest of us, I have no issue with incompetent users paying "The Stupid Tax" as my friends and I term it. If you're too stupid to operate a computer properly or maintain it, then owning one will entail the costs of paying someone else to do it for you.
Just pick which evil you prefer and go with it. If you don't need either, don't sweat the whole thing so long as the basics are still free.
Now if MS starts charging for security patches outright instead of just a service to install them for me, you'll see me showing up at the Microsoft campus with pitchfork and torch in hand. | |
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| Re: It's like watching Cthulu and Lucifer slug it out Gee, windows (or microsoft in general) are starting to revert back to the DOS days?. Anyone remember DR-Dos which had compression, AV, tools/utilities then out comes MS-DOS 5 and 6 with it's "built in tools? Guess you can kiss ADAWARE, SPYBOT goodbye.. | |
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| Re: It's like watching Cthulu and Lucifer slug it out With no basis, just my opinion: I think that as long as computers are online, there will be a need for anti-everything.
Prime analogy: no matter how intricate car mfg's make ignition switches, there are always thieves that can manipulate the latest of such to their desires - theft insurance, as the PC anti-everything, will always be a need as well.
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PEBKAC
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
Everybody and their damn dog owns a PC nowadays, and speaking from much experience a VERY small percentage of them have the foggiest idea what they're doing.
Any of you fools out there who subscribe to the whole "I should just be able to turn it on and it should work" theory are complete idiots.
Quite simply put, read the end-user license agreement. It more or less says that once you install Windows, it's yours. If you don't maintain it your damn self, that's YOUR fault. The software is sold AS-IS and that's all there is to it.
On a similar note, it's not like MS is thinking "hey, let's leave all these gaping security holes in our OS so we can potentially lose millions of dollars in revenue because of it..." That would just be stupid.
Honestly, MS can make their stuff as secure as the day is long, but guaranteed there's gonna be somebody out there who will make a hole if they can't find one. READ: spyware manufacturers.
For example, if some dipstick with no license and no clue how to operate a motor vehicle crashes their ride, do you blame the manufacturer of the car?
If you do, then your computer problems probably exist between YOUR keyboard and YOUR chair.
Consider yourselves EXTREMELY lucky that MS is doing as much to prevent this stuff as they are. Technically (and legally) they're not REQUIRED to do SFA about this stuff.
So stop yer whinin' and learn how to keep your own damn computer protected. | |
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join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: It's like watching Cthulu and Lucifer slug it "Considering I work for MS tech support, I can tell you all for a fact that 999 times out of 1000 the reason so many home computers are so screwed up because of spyware/adware, etc. is quite simple..."
Spoken like a true Microsoft flunky. That's right MS built a system with more security holes than Swiss cheese then turn around and blame the users when these holes are exposed. Microsoft is not getting into the anti-spyware business because of the goodness of their heart. Microsoft is getting into the anti-spyware business because their flagship product is losing market share to a competitor that promises more security. They are also getting into the anti-spyware business because there is a lot of money to be made at a time when sales of Windows products have been flat for the last 2 to 3 years. look at the numbers, anti-spyware can easily generate a billion dollars a year for Microsoft. That ain't chump change. | |
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DiscardedVet
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join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD
| Re: It's like watching Cthulu and Lucifer slug it out said by Mexican:
So stop yer whinin' and learn how to keep your own damn computer protected.
Dude, do you see ANYDAMNWHERE in my post anything remotely similar to whining?
I simply stated my opinion that if "A" exists, "B" will also exist; with an analogy for a side-kick.
Somehow, you took this into a self-proclaimed MS affiliatied pro-MS RANT !!
Hell, you even supported my one and only thought with your ..... "MS can make their stuff as secure as the day is long, but guaranteed there's gonna be somebody out there who will make a hole if they can't find one." .......... Jeez
As for crashing the car ....... would I blame the mfg? When the vehicle had critical flaws in it, it would be very damn ignorant not to, wouldn't it.
At the top of your "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" bit is the first part of human computing ....... the brain ...... yours seems to be in critical need of an upgrade.
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@shawcable.net
| What AV engine are they using Anyone know which AV engine they are using? If it's been developed in house then it will undoubtedly be a piece of $hit that will take years to get all the bugs out.
The Antispyware software they bought from Giant works fantastically so I know that part of it will be great! | |
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voyager6868
join:2003-01-29
Lynnwood, WA
·Bell Sympatico
| They'll recant MS will probably start giving their programmers bonuses for introducing even more bugs into Windows. That way they can make even more money off the security updates.
I think MS is treading in dangerous waters. You have three choices:
a) Pay MS a yearly fee
b) Run an O/S which have bugs that have been made public to hackers (through publication of the security updates)
c) Switch to Linux
I think a lot more people will be looking at c. Especially those not running a legal copy of Windows.
I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that MS will change their minds. | |
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winky
Turn Left At The Moon
join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: They'll recant "Switch to Linux"
I really think commercial Linux distros have missed the boat. They have had so many opportunities to cash in on the home OS market and have failed to do so. If they had only developed a package with the basic user features geared to the average user and promoted it in conjunction with a few mainstream PC vendors and software companies they would be showing a sizable market share. Microsoft has made itself the OS of choice at home and work. Linux seems to be concentrating on business users, and while not without reason (because that's where the big money is)but they will never penetrate to a sizable degree because people want to use what they are comfortable with at home AND work. Until they at least try to go mainstream MS will win the day. Because people are comfortable with MS they will be willing to listed to what they say.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| f the antivirus industry However if Microsoft were to give away the software, they'd likely face antitrust charges for using the OS to conquer the Antivirus industry.
they should make MS give this away for free - if their software was secure in the first place, there wouldn't be an antivirus industry. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC | Here's a Question? Wasn't April's Fools Day last month  | |
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Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
clubs: | Re: Here's a Question? they can all way sell it for one cent | |
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