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| I've called 911 before and I've had not a single issue, I think if these people even bother to login to there online accont page they get a ton of notices saying SETUP YOUR 911 service. I don't blame vonage I blame the mother who is looking for an excuse.
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| Re: hrmm... chilly finger? Its easier to blame someone else than yourself. Who is to say the child would have lived even if a POTS/911 call had been placed, too? Also, it was the parents fault for buying into VoIP as I do not remember seeing Vonage Squads going door-to-door threatening people's lives if they stayed with POTS.
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| Re: hrmm... chilly finger? I have the Vonage partial 911 solution active and told my wife about it when I did it. I also told her that she was better using our other line or a cellphone to call 911. We did not have any disaster or problem, but when I reminded her of this the other day she flat out denied being told.
I think that many spouses often hear any technical discussion as white noise and we get "yes deared." Without any issues of who is right, I think that the VOIP users out there might want to take five minutes and brief their families on this point.
At the same time, I don't think Vonage should be held accountable for anything. With respect to the mother, any time you lose a child it is real tough. It is easy to lash out. I just hope her lawyer loses.
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| Sterilize and Jail the Parents... ... for not taking responsibility for ensuring real 911 access by using a POTS line. Vonage and other VoIP providers make it very clear that their 911 service is not the same as POTS-provided 911 service. The baby's death is partly the fault of the parents who didn't bother to fully research the potential problems with VoIP-based 911 service. You would think when you see a big red label on a web page explaining that 911 with VoIP has to be set up manually and that it isn't the same as POTS-based 911 service, one would think... hmmm.... is this the best thing for me?
Its idiots like these who will sue the US tech industry out of the country.
I know that once I have kids, the first thing I will do is get the cheapest POTS-based line (even as much as I hate the telegraph companies) just for proper 911 access should it be needed.
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by pnh102  :I know that once I have kids, the first thing I will do is get the cheapest POTS-based line (even as much as I hate the telegraph companies) just for proper 911 access should it be needed. Exactly what I have done. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... Cellular 911 is almost as bad as Vonage 911. The PSAP operators do not get any location data, and if you are near the county border your call could be routed to the wrong PSAP entirely. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... ...or in California, you would be routed to the state highway patrol, who will sometimes let you wait in a queue and then try to figure out which PSAP you should really be connected to....
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| said by Alphabyte :You don't even need a land line for proper 911. An cell phone that turns on is required to let calls go throught to 911 regardless if it's activated or not. That's true. For some of us though, we don't get good cell phone coverage from our homes, though we're able to have a reliable POTS line. | |
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| As much as I like to point that fact out to people (as a reason to not dispose of old cell phones), I've never actually gotten through with 911 on a cell phone during the day time. First time, I let the phone redial for over 5 minutes, never to get through, only then thinking to call 411 and ask for the CHP. Second time, I did so much quicker... I think any VoIP service, as well as cell phones, should have the emergency number stored as a preset. | |
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| to improve upon your idea, last i heard, POTS lines are supposed to constantly have a dial tone regardless of whether service is activated on it or not. difference is, if not activated, only basic 911 access and (sometimes) calls to the phone company's customer support/etc. numbers go through.
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by Vchat20 :to improve upon your idea, last i heard, POTS lines are supposed to constantly have a dial tone regardless of whether service is activated on it or not. difference is, if not activated, only basic 911 access and (sometimes) calls to the phone company's customer support/etc. numbers go through. You are correct. At least it has worked this way in my experience. | |
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| In regards to all POTS lines having dialtone, this is incorrect. The requirement is that all lines with dialtone be able to call 911, and normally, companies will also connect misdials to a sales dept (to encourage sales). Non-activated lines do not necessarily have dialtone. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... well, all i know is that in our area, when our bill gets to the past due point and they "shut off" our phone, we still have a dial tone for about a week and then it gets completely shut off.
in regards to my original reply, i didn't say ALL lines HAVE to have a dial tone, i said they are supposed to have them last i heard. regardless, i think that all POTS lines should have dial tones regardless of whether its activated or not simply for 911 usage.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that VoIP 911 calls go to a different call center and are not E-911 capable (i.e. they don't show your phone number and address automatically if you can't talk)?
Right now I don't trust VoIP. I can get (reasonably) cheap POTS service from Talk America. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by Jim Gurd :I would never be without a POTS line until VoIP can provide me with the same level of service for 911. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that VoIP 911 calls go to a different call center and are not E-911 capable (i.e. they don't show your phone number and address automatically if you can't talk)? Right now I don't trust VoIP. I can get (reasonably) cheap POTS service from Talk America. No and Yes. Different call centers yes , e-911 incompatible no (at least in most cases)
VoIP providers maintain a database of your info which when the server that holds your number to ip translation is checked also checks if it is a 911 call if so all your billing info is sent to the call center which fills in their screen like caller id. Which is then transferred to the local emergency service to you.
E-911 does the same with cell phones, except now with cell phones they triangulate off many towers around you to get the spot where you are. The more antenna's respond the closer they can come to finding you.
VoIP however does not have that ability. What is done is a trace to the router/gateway ahead of you and ping plotted to make sure it's not a bad call and as that is being done your VoIP provider sends them your billing info which is assumed to be your street info.
Vonage however has the system in place but you must double check to make sure it's right and to set it up properly since Vonage doesn't know your specifics. This is why there is 80 pages on Vonage web site with the big red label.
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... Only a different call center if 911 and non emergecny are handled by different centers. I work for a dispatch center that handles all calls, emergency and non emergency. So in this case, we would get it no matter what. Granted, if the non emergency line and 911 rings at the same time, the 911 gets priority, but the dispatcher should still answer the non emergency line to make sure they indeed dont have an emergency after the 911 call is done with or at least stablized. And I wouldnt trust a cell phone for 911. Depending on where you are, and other factors, you could reach a PSAP that is not even close to where you are. Not only that but depending on the cell providers network conditions or tower problems, sometimes we cant understand you because of the call dropping or severe static, and if you cant tell us where you are, we cant help you. Now yes phase 2 wireless with lat/long is out there but very few PSAP's have been upgraded to use this. Not only do we need a phase 2 compliant phone system, but also a phase 2 CAD system and a mapping program, all of this is big bucks. We use Positron Power 911 for 5 consoles and that was over $150,000.00. The CAD cost over $250,000.00 (for initial cost, I believe upgrade to phase 2 was a lot cheaper) and mapping was over $35,000.00. As you can see, not many agencies will have the money to upgrade. Add to this the fact that cell companies are not even close to having even 80% success rate with phase 2 info and cell phones start to look as bad as VoIP. The safest bet is a landline period. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... I am surprised that they have not upgraded the mapping systems yet. Our area already has it set up and running. Maybe just my area/market is phase 2 set but i know right now optimization of the market here is nearly complete for 2 providers.
I also do a gree landline is the safest.
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| Does anyone remember the court decision a few months back against a drug-addict women? The court ordered her to not have anymore children as the many she already had were in foster-care because she, obviously, couldn't take care of them.
I'd have gutted her as my 'court' decision. We have to have a license to drive and fish, but not one to breed. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by ColdFiltered :Does anyone remember the court decision a few months back against a drug-addict women? The court ordered her to not have anymore children as the many she already had were in foster-care because she, obviously, couldn't take care of them. I'd have gutted her as my 'court' decision. We have to have a license to drive and fish, but not one to breed. Don't forget to hunt, even to buy a gun which is in the constitution as a right.
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The court makes decision base on what's best for society and/or the individuals involved. Can you honestly tell me that such a mother will give birth to healthy babies? | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by lawrence171 :Ugh... what right does that woman have to make another suffer endlessly because of her own stupidity/incompetence? As long as the law allows for such stupid lawsuits to proceed, they will never end. I think if we change the presumption of guilt that goes with civil lawsuits (e.g, the idiot would have to prove Vonage screwed up as opposed to Vonage having to prove that it didn't screw up) we would see a significant drop in the amount of money paid out in damages.
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... I agree. One of my neighbors asked me about getting "Digital Phone" service from Time Warner. It's being advertised here like crazy and she was considering it. I told her that I'd recommend against it due to various VoIP/TW-Digital Phone issues (power failure = loss of phone service, cable outage = loss of phone service, 911 service which isn't as good as POTS).
A year ago this July, my son (then 11 months old) spiked a 103+ fever and had a grand mal seizure. He stopped responding and even stopped breathing. We panicked (obviously as any parent would if their kid stopped breathing -- we actually thought he was dead at one point) but had enough presence of mind to call 911. The operator got an ambulance through to us right away.
Apparently, the magic words were "infant" and "stopped breathing" because five minutes later there was an ambulance in front of our house and emergency personnel giving my son oxygen. (He had started breathing on his own before they arrived.) As a side note, never have his screams of panic sounded so sweet as they meant that he was still alive.
Turns out that he had Coxsackie virus and the spiking fever made him have a febrile convulsion. It also turns out that febrile convulsions are rarely harmful and my son was ok in the end. (Still, try telling a parent whose baby stops responding and then starts twitching and turning blue that their baby will be ok.)
Still, at the time it seemed like his life was at stake and, having had that experience, I wouldn't go with VoIP for the 911 issue alone. 911 is something that should just work. It should need to be configured by the end user. The advertisements for "digital phone service" are very misleading. VoIP is being touted as nothing more than an inexpensive version of a normal phone line when in fact it's a completely different beast with it's own quirks.
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| Why VoIP has no TRUE 911... The reason there is no true 911 is because not all the Telephone companies feel they should help a service that is not regulated and taxed as they are. It's a battle for "WHO CAN WE GET MONEY FROM NOW"... You see, in order for 911 to work, it REQUIRES the phone network to terminate to a CAMA trunk in your local CO (Central Office). Most CO's won't let the VoIP provider put a Gateway switch in your local CO, so they have to do the next best thing, terminate the call to the PSAP, who then finds the correct CAMA trunk to connect the call thru. Now cell phones, thats a different story. Since they are regulated, they have to by law offer 911. They also, by law, have to allow a competitor access to their CAMA trunks in each CO to make 911 work. I think if the Phone company (pigs) would play fair, people wouldn't HAVE to lose lives to VoIP service. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... There were a couple of friends of mine who just had their first child who were in the same position. They had been considering VoIP until I mentioned to them the 911 issue. Its just not worth the risk and no amount of cost savings will change that.
I am sure though that if they actually saw the big red labels or even the fine print indicating that 911 didn't work as we all expect it to that they would have reconsidered. I feel like I only pushed up the inevitable.
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| said by PhoenixDown :I get see the VOIP advertisements all the time and if you didn't know better, you would almost swear thats the service is being provided over POTS in some cases and I never saw any of them mention that 911 might be an 'issue'. It is very misleading. You're right about this. All of these advertisements should make it clear that 911 service doesn't work like POTS-based 911. But its still the parents' responsibility to find out these things when they consider making the switch from POTS to VoIP.
I am surprised that POTS providers have not capitalized on this problem by advertising that their product works perfectly with 911.
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by pnh102 :I am surprised that POTS providers have not capitalized on this problem by advertising that their product works perfectly with 911. The POTS companies probably either don't see VoIP as a threat just yet or want to keep their options open should they decide to enter the market. If they were to proclaim "VoIP is dangerous and doesn't support 911 properly" they would:
A) raise VoIP as an alternative in people's minds should 911 service not be a priority and
B) make VoIP seem less desirable to those who value 911 service (thus turning those customers away from the POTS companies' possible future VoIP products).
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by Jason Levine :A) raise VoIP as an alternative in people's minds should 911 service not be a priority and True, but you don't even have to mention VoIP (or cellular) alternatives to 911. You could probably see James Earl Jones say something like "Insist on genuine Verizon telephone service for your family's peace of mind" or something like that.
said by Jason Levine :B) make VoIP seem less desirable to those who value 911 service (thus turning those customers away from the POTS companies' possible future VoIP products). It wouldn't be the first time a company "competed against itself" so I don't think this would be a big deal. If an existing POTS customer switched to a telegraph company's VoIP service or if the POTS customer retained traditional telegraph service, the phone company would still be making money.
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| said by pnh102 :Its idiots like these who will sue the US tech industry out of the country. I know that once I have kids, the first thing I will do is get the cheapest POTS-based line (even as much as I hate the telegraph companies) just for proper 911 access should it be needed. Don't forget the money-grubbing lawyers who are all too happy to help idiots like this continue to clog the courts with countless numbers of frivolous lawsuits.
As a parent, I think you're dead-on about having a POTS line as a backup. Since I have a security system I do have a POTS line, but my wife and I pretty much use our mobiles for making and receiving calls. We're also entertaining the possibility of going with VoIP, but no matter what we end up doing, we're still going to hang on to our scaled-down POTS line for the foreseeable future. | |
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| Re: Sterilize and Jail the Parents... said by PhoenixDown :The bottom line is that 911 needs to be reliable regardless of whether its over VOIP or a cell phone. It does, but it's not. While we may not have any control over this, we need to understand that when it comes to the safety of our families, we need to research and make the right choice for the purposes of dialing 911 when its needed.
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| Re: Don't infants read disclamers anymore? said by Bitey :What a world! It's the parent/guardians responsibility not any one else. Vonage has made it clear on every portion of their page about the info.
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| Some things just got to be regulated Traditional phone service is regulated to death. But the thing I like about it the most is that your POTS is always battery backed up.
Being in the phone industry, I know that the power can go out, and your phone will continue to work for 6-8 hrs and longer in most cases, because not only is the C.O. battery backed up, but there are generators there too. If on an RT (remote terminal), then there are only the batteries, but when they get low, techs are dispatched with generators in most cases. So in a perfect world you phone service should never go down due to power issues, UNLESS all your phones require power. You should always have at least one plain old telephone, not the cordless ones.
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|  Can she risk admitting she's incompetent?
Lady -- if you can't read warnings on a website, perhaps you can't read a box of rat poison that you're pouring into a cereal bowl for your children? Maybe you can't read the signs that say NO TURN ON RED and you pull out into really fast traffic onto a major thoroughfare?
Hmmm? Dipshit? If your husband set Vonage up for you (did she even have one -- didn't read the full article), did he forget to tell you, "Uh -- honey -- use your cell phone to call 911 for the baby, OK?" If so -- then why aren't you suing him? Divorcing him for buying the service?
I'm upset that a life was lost (the photo is cute -- perfect for local news ratings when the latest hot spilt McDonald's coffee investigation goes bad), but seriously -- you're a parent. "Parent" (verb) for Christ's sake. Government, including the courts, is for things NOT related to your own personal responsibility.
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| c'mon Murray, as a fellow brit I would have thought you could have used your own brain and not been a sheep.
I test my Vonage 911 once a month. I phone up the local PD and ask them if it's OK. The first time I did it the Officer at the other end commended me and said she also has vonage and said feel free to test whenever, just phone first to check it's OK.
You also have cell phone etc.
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| Test it The first thing you want to do when you get VoIP is test 911 access. I tested mine, and my call was routed to a non-emergency number, but often times the person that picks it up is indeed one of the dispatchers, or at the very least a police officer. Both 911 and the non-emergency number are in the same room of the same wing of the same building, so I know that either way, my call is getting there.
The only thing I am a little disconcerted about is the fact that my address does not show up on their end, requiring me to tell them what it is. That is the only worry for me. Other than that, I couldn't be happier with my VoIP. | |
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| Re: Test it Actually, there are a number of PSAPs currently processing VoIP very close to the way they process POTS 9-1-1. In Greater Harris County, Texas, they are rolling out a method in all 42 PSAPs that will point VoIP calls to dedicated trunks so that call-takers know it is a VoIP call to 9-1-1. With Caller ID, the PSAP can see the call back number and even "dip" for ALI (location). This scenario only works if: the customer sets up his/her 9-1-1 account; the service provider obtains current PSAP 10-digit numbers from the National Directory of PSAPs; the PSAP designates a non-published 10 digit number for VoIP and configures it into the same queue as 9-1-1. Viola! VoIP 9-1-1. Simply takes some intelligent communications. | |
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| Re: Love this comment from so called Spokesperson said by Greg_Z :A spokeswoman for Vonage said her heart goes out to the family. She said the basic 911 service does work, but admits it needs work.
"We do expect to have a solution in place that allows people to call 911 and get their phone number and their location displayed on the dispatcher's screen before the end of the year," said Brooke Schulz.Sorry to say, but VOIP is still not live for Primetime, and using it in a real world situation to Beta Test their mistakes is their first mistake. Until regulation happens, and companies like Vonage wake up from their mistakes, the blame will have to be laid somewhere. Although I think that Vonage has liability here, because their 911 disclaimers aren't strong enough, I think it was wrong of the paper to categorize the Vonage spokesperson's comments like that of an admission.
Clearly from the aricle, the spokesperson was not admitting anything. She was merely stating that they are working on a more robust solution. In tort law, you can't assert that the accused making improvements or fixes is an indication of liability. The news agency is clearly trying to push its own opinion here.
All that being said, Vonage meeds to make their 911 disclaimers more clear (as I said in the other "sue Vonage" thread). | |
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| Re: Love this comment from so called Spokesperson Additionally, we must be careful not to adopt as a national standard the belief that a product must be "idiot proof" before being sold. To the extent that we do adopt this standard, we are limiting our efficiency on a national basis to whatever a nation of idiots could achieve.
The efforts of the trial lawyers to "idiot proof" ladders have vastly increased the cost of ladders in the US today. Additionally, have you purchased an extension cord lately? The last one I bought had 4 separate warning tags attached, covering over a foot of the cord--all saying essentially the same thing, "Don't be an idiot and try to run an air conditioner, blow dryer, microwave, and toaster all at the same time over this lightweight cord."
Regardless of how anyone thinks Vonage's warnings/disclaimers could be improved, the service is already much more "idiot proof" than any automobile sold today.
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| Re: Love this comment from so called Spokesperson said by calvoiper :Additionally, we must be careful not to adopt as a national standard the belief that a product must be "idiot proof" before being sold. To the extent that we do adopt this standard, we are limiting our efficiency on a national basis to whatever a nation of idiots could achieve. AMEN!
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| Unfortunately ... ... a lot of people don't read all of the documentation and just buy the vonage kits at a local retailer. What would you say if you did follow all of the instructions and setup 911 properly and you didn't get through or it didn't work... then who's fault is it? Oh yea, that's right... its the user's fault because they chose a service and didn't realize that it could be iffy and didn't read the Vonage fine print that says "don't trust our 911 service 100% and have a POTS and/or cell as backup." | |
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stonecolddsl
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Rapid Systems, Inc.
| Free POTS 911 What people seem to forget is that Even if you dont have phone service through your local telephone company they are required to provided you with 911 service.
As long as the telephone wire has not been disconnected at the nid to do the trick with pluging your voip addapter into a jack and then that in turns makes all the jacks usable with the voip service then yoou can place a call. That is what the 911 Service fee on pots lines are for. so even people who can not afford telephone service can have emergency 911 calls.
So there is no real excuse. Peole tend to forget thta you have 911 service on a the ptos line even if you dont have telephone service.
If you want to do the whole house trick with you viop fine buut from the nid run another jack form a second set in your nids that is hooked up to the phone companys wireing so you will always have realiable 911
Or carry a damn cellphone. It does not even have to be prepaid or post paid. You can make emergency 911 calls from a formarlly activated phone. ( I say formersly as some phones when they come out of the box new are not programed so the 911 call would not go through. )
So I find it hard to blame vonage for her stupidity. I feel sorry for her lost but not her stupidity. | |
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