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Always be true to yourself
join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA | Jealous Cablevision is scared and it is showing right now. | |
|  | youngo
join:2001-07-03
2 edits | Re: Jealous "Verizon charges phone customers $44.95 for download speeds up to 15 megabits per second, the same price Cablevision charges cable TV customers for speeds up to 10 mbps."
with all that rollout, i hope fios is at least capable of 100mbps... symetrically. | |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA | Re: Jealous "They are indeed afraid of competition."
kinda like how verizon has those anti muni campaigns against wifi on a state wide level? hmmm;)
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: Jealous said by rawgerz  :kinda like how verizon has those anti muni campaigns against wifi on a state wide level? hmmm;) Theres a huge difference between competing with another company and competing with someone who ultimately has the taxpayer to fall back on if everything goes to hell.
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join:2004-02-11
Taconite, MN
| Re: Jealous quote:
Theres a huge difference between competing with another company and competing with someone who ultimately has the taxpayer to fall back on if everything goes to hell.
Not really.
They just have different things that happen.
If the community broadband fails then the taxpayers pay errr already payed for it. But in reality they really didn't lose much building it. The price that it costs to build a community broadband service is lower than what it costs to replace the water heater at City hall. Plus with a Community broadband you can start it out small and see where it leads. If it fails thats the cost of trying. If it succeeds then you really lose nothing. Most of it would be administered by current salaried city employees anyways. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: Jealous As I've said before, when it comes to government all bets are off when the cow poopie hits the fan; the only sure thing is that if no one else steps in, the taxpayers are then ones who will pay by default when someone doesn't follow thru on their promise.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: Jealous said by JTRockville :If you consider the tax dollars already being used to subsidize these "private" companies, the difference dwindles. I'm against that too, but you don't solve a problem by extending the problem to new realms.
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: Jealous True enough. But it seems to me a muni system, funded the way Tri-Cities proposed, is the best way to avoid taxpayer-funded infrastructure. | |
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Mjc
join:2000-12-02
Abingdon, MD
| Re: Jealous said by JTRockville :True enough. But it seems to me a muni system, funded the way Tri-Cities proposed, is the best way to avoid taxpayer-funded infrastructure. NO! The last proposal by the Tri-Cities group was to use a type of bond financing that had a credit rating lower than "Junk Status". In other words, they were proposing to go to a form of "Loan Shark" financing; the very worst type of financing possible. Further, if I remember correctly; the financial consultant they were getting their advice from had no experience with planning, constructing, or operating any type of cable system.
Insuring, or guaranteeing any bond is the responsibility of the organization issuing the bonds. They would still count against the credit limit of the city or town that issued them, limiting the amount of other bonds that they might want to issue for other projects. If payments on these bonds were to go into default, the credit rating of the issuing city or town would be lowered and the interest rate on the bonds issued for other projects would go up!
In the Tri-Cities debate we NEVER once heard anything from the people promoting the project that they would purchase any of the bonds! If their financing model was such a good thing, why didn't they want to purchase any of the resulting bonds?
As best I can find out there are only 17 Muni Fiber systems operating in the US. There are about 55,000 municipal governments in the US. Contrary to what we are reading here on BBR; I don't exactly consider 17 communities a great rush by communities to provide this advanced service! Further, if there was such a great rush the Fiber to the Home Council would be keeping their list of systems up to date! Their currently published list has not been updated for the past year! | |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| I have been an extremely satisifed Optimum Online customer (I hate Cablevision, but I love Optimum Online) since December of 1999. However, in the last 18 months, email issues, Cablevision violating their own "Terms of Service" regarding their server-side SpamAway product, capping, throttling, and other sneaky maneuvers made be look for an alternative where I would not suffer a degredation in speed or service. Until this year, there was nothing. (Optimum Online's uptime is fantastic--I honestly don't remember the last time I lost connection, it has to be 12+ months, and speed, well, that has slowed down a bit from getting 10Mbits/sec all the time to getting 10Mbits/sec during off-peak hours).
FIOS is here, and my install is set for the middle of the month.
Thanks CV for 5 years of great service.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | If you know anything about fiber, you would know fios is capable of a lot more than 100mbps symmetrically. | |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs: | Re: Jealous No kidding. Thats why I suggested to the previous poster, why stop at 10mbit.
If you'd know anything about sarcasm, you wouldn't have replied. | |
| | | | aarong3
join:2002-08-01
Los Angeles, CA | and if you knew anything about networking you'd know it has more to do with equipment than the access medium. | |
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cablemonster3
join:2002-03-10
USA | as is cable. the upper limits of cable are now 1 gbps down and 100mbps up
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| | | jimbo5dsl
join:2005-04-12
Wantagh, NY | Verizon's new fiber-optic network has upped it's basic DSL speed from 5mps to 15mps for the same price- not for your quote. So now, there are no excuses. | |
| | EO50
join:2005-01-23
united state
| Although at this point it is 5 megs faster for the same price, it isn't fast enough for me to want to switch. OOL has been very stable for me. If they increase the speed more I will think about it, but right now 5 megs isn't enough for me to want Verizon drilling holes on the side of my house and making me rewire my network. The average user has little reason to switch as it can be a pain to take four hours out of your day to have the appointment. They will have better luck with new homeowner or apartment renters who will be first getting a service and looking for a value than with switching established customers of OOL. Eventually this will eat into the OOL customer base, so OOL should start offering a better package if they want to stay competitive. | |
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cao1964
join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA | Inpact Insignificant To say that rolling out FIOS is insignificant tell me they really don't care about the customer but then why would you if people did not have a choice, for me I will so glad to see more FIOS out there for people to choose from. | |
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noheadinthesandatCV
@verizon.n
| Re: Inpact Insignificant There is no head in the sand at Cablevsion, they're watching this slowly eat into their profits, and customer erosion (little as that is, admitidly by Verizion) but watch out, because just like VOIP became a big thing with companies deflating an overbloated price scheme of POTS telephone service, there's lots of things that Verizon can do to get customers, such as deflating the premium cable tv packgages with some competitive offering, ie, That's the second half of your channel lineup, HBO, SHOWTIME, CINEMAX, MOVIE CHANNEL, STARZ... with a robust Video on Demand offering these channels could crumble to dust in the space of a few years! (Shows like the Sopranos, not withstanding)
With Verizon's power, just say... if Verizon were to match the triple play package... I wonder if lots of people would switch...., Hmmm... They're only offering it for a year at that price, then they inch you higher... so Veriion must start at that higher price and work its way downward... which would force Cablevision into a precarious position (provided market share flip-fliops Verizon's way) such as offering services at a price unsustainable and downright untasty to its sharesholders.. Wait a minute, it's not about the shareholders, its about the customers, right?
I am proud to see the more mainstram media is picking up on this story again after the initial push! way to go, woohoo! | |
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Tomek
Premium
join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY
·Packet8
| CableVision, lower prices, then we talk So far Verizon gives good deal on FIOS. No required bundling and low price. Even their DSL looks terrible. I pay $85 for DSL, including local, LD. With cable it would be around $90 (cable, equipment, VoIP). Just wait when FIOS deploys in the cities. And also Fiber will offer better future expansion, like faster speeds (somebody can tell me how fast is single fiber channel).
And where do you get those announcements from?
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| | BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: CableVision, lower prices, then we talk said by Tomek :So far Verizon gives good deal on FIOS. No required bundling and low price. Even their DSL looks terrible. I pay $85 for DSL, including local, LD. With cable it would be around $90 (cable, equipment, VoIP). Just wait when FIOS deploys in the cities. And also Fiber will offer better future expansion, like faster speeds (somebody can tell me how fast is single fiber channel). And where do you get those announcements from? Newest fiber technology is pushing 1.7 gig per shade. But the equipment is very expensive. They don't make to many announcements as it would give a heads up to their competitors. Lucent/Bell labs is a great innovator and so is agilent. Other companies though do push the envelope but those 2 only come to my mind at the moment.
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
·Verizon FIOS
4 edits | Re: CableVision, lower prices, then we talk Newest fiber technology is pushing 1.7 gigThe newest deployed fiber tech is into the 100s of gigs per second using dwdm technology ( »www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DWDM.html ), the stuff in the labs is into the tera bits. VZ recently announced that they were to move to gpon for fios-- which is 1.2gig up and 2.4 gig down, shared.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: CableVision, lower prices, then we talk Ahh dude do you understand what a shade is ?
1.7 gig per shade with 1000 + shades per strand at the moment in a lab. with multiplexing comes a bit over teragigs a second.
Maybe I should start adding disclaimers, And try to make certain every one who reads understands how fiber works ?
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: CableVision, lower prices, then we talk Ahh,no I do not understand what you mean by shade. I now assume you mean wavelengths. Which if you do, you are still wrong. In the field fiber is running a 40 gig using a single wavelength and no the current tech does not support 1000's of wavelengths on a single fiber.
Teragigs? LOL!
Yeah, some disclaimers would be good. | |
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CV user
@optonline.net
| Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the customers Finally some competition for a monopoly that screws it's customers on a daily basis with hidden fees, overpriced services, regular price increases. FIOS here I come, it is being deployed on the local streets as I write this. Relief cannot come soon enough! | |
| | bigpapae35
join:2002-10-25
Great Neck, NY
1 edit | Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the customers I have verizon fios installed in my house on long island, and I have been much more satisfied then the horrible service that is being provided by cablevision with their pathetic broadband offering (capping/throttling, packet loss)
I get my full promised connection with fios, constantly below 10ms ping times, an excellent of 2Mbs upload speed, zero packet loss, and a very low price, very stable connection, free ONT battery backup.
I reccomended fios to all my friends, and those who have gotten it have been satisfied thus far.
I plan on subscribing to their TV service in the fall, and I can imagine that cablevision may not be pissin in their pants right now, but after verizon finishes all the major markets in the next 5 years, they can take a nice slice of the cable tv market. | |
| | | Dirtyping
join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY
| Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the customers Maybe now Cablevision will try to compete with Verizon by offering static IP, static IP blocks, unrestrict EULA to allow servers, remove upload/download caps and also in price. I also do not see how existing DOCSIS technology can compete with FIOS unless they upgrade their network.
Anyone could have seen this coming and it reeks of incompetence of Cablevision management not recognize their competition. | |
| | | | jibaro5
join:2004-03-13
Bronx, NY | Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the custome Incompetence bt cablevision: See Knicks and Rangers | |
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losingteam
@verizon.n | Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the custome That's right, its much like Cablevision to back the losing teams, Nicks, Rangers, Mets, Optimum Online, etc, etc.
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captnhook
join:2001-02-20
NY | Wiz ...VOOM .. Clearview Cinema  | |
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StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the custome said by bigpapae35 :I have verizon fios installed in my house on long island, and I have been much more satisfied then the horrible service that is being provided by cablevision with their pathetic broadband offering (capping/throttling, packet loss) I get my full promised connection with fios, constantly below 10ms ping times, an excellent of 2Mbs upload speed, zero packet loss, and a very low price, very stable connection, free ONT battery backup. I reccomended fios to all my friends, and those who have gotten it have been satisfied thus far. I plan on subscribing to their TV service in the fall, and I can imagine that cablevision may not be pissin in their pants right now, but after verizon finishes all the major markets in the next 5 years, they can take a nice slice of the cable tv market. Where on Long Island are you? | |
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join:2002-10-25
Great Neck, NY | Re: Can't wait for CV to stop screwing the custome Great neck | |
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guy3685
join:2001-08-27
Patchogue, NY
clubs: | Does FIOS support servers? If I can run a server on it then I'll switch. Otherwise optonline is good enough...Whats the need for more than 10M down. | |
| | xirian
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
| Re: Does FIOS support servers? said by guy3685 :If I can run a server on it then I'll switch. Otherwise optonline is good enough...Whats the need for more than 10M down. on the business plan, which I believe is $100/m, they do. Faster than bool and they actually give you a static ip if I remember correctly. | |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| Re: Does FIOS support servers? »biz.verizon.net/pands/fios/Default.asp
$60 / month for 15M / 2M dynamic IP
$100 for 15M / 2M for static IP (generally the best way to go, when hosting your own stuff)
"Only" 2M upload, though.
Probably only suitable for light hosting duty?
(A host's upload side is everybody else's download!)
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mooo222
@adelphia.net | Screw them Until they are in San Diego. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Good news Cool news. I hope they reach Brooklyn soon, say late summer latest - then we can talk about my new setup, SE.... | |
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thongsai
join:2002-07-04
Santa Rosa, CA
| HMM isnt weird how verizon can roll out more expensive fiber quicker than sbc's cheaper fttp..? oh well hope all verizon area will subscribe to show sbc that fiber is the way to go now and tomorrow
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floyd07
@68.48.x.x
| Re: HMM Verizon will eventually raise the FIOS price to re coup the massive amount of lost they are incurring. If nobody sees that then you are blind. And the guy in Great Neck how was to have IPTV with Verizon, good night. ANY form of latency especially when watching the finals of a game live is not good. For HSI it is fine, not for TV. You will be disappointed in the long run. Also you know how expensive fiber is, you think this price is going to last? No sir. It is bait and switch. You love it so much then VZ will hike the price to over 70 a month in a couple of years. Your choice, take it or leave it.
"There is a sucker born every minute" | |
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FluckVerizon
@comcast.net
| Verizon is so LAME! They sat around picking their asses for a decade ,and they stull cant set me up with a crappy DSL line @3000 feet from a fully equipped CO. Verizon will cherry pick FIOS areas and roll it out pronto,But I'm afraid that the rest of us will have to wait thirty or forty years to get it.
/me salutes Cablevision for pissin' em off! | |
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ablack6596
join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | Re: Verizon is so LAME! You have fun with your cable connection. I'll soon be using my Fios which destroys OOL. | |
| | | davidcb13
join:2004-02-06
Branchville, NJ | Re: Verizon is so LAME! Honestly your FIOS wont destroy anything 5 megs will not make any difference because as of right now there are very few servers that will give you anything more than 10 meg in a few years however...thats a different story.. | |
| | | | VZInstaller
join:2004-09-19
Long Island
| Re: Verizon is so LAME! Well there are a few things that this doesn't address.
1. Fios is a constant speed, the 15 meg speed remains 15 unlike OOL which their 10 is generally closer to 8 the majority of the time.
2. In REAL WORLD TESTS, meaning tests on Broadband reports, Cablevision is averaging 4.4 meg download this week. But when you look at the fios tests, they are averaging in the neighborhood of 13 meg. That's 3 times as fast as OOL.
3. There are a few people who have tested Fios on here that are running upwards of 26 meg while they are on the 30 meg service, this shows that Fios is ready for tomorrow, while OOL is pretty close to it's speed limit already.
4. Even if you were talking about real world 10 meg with OOL vs. 15 meg with Fios, it's laughable that you think an increase of 50% is not much of a difference.
5. Fiber bandwidth is close to limitless. True it all comes down to the equipment that lights it and with speed comes expense, but the reality is that the same fiber that is running to your house is the same fiber we have running between our buildings that are running OC-3, OC-48 and OC-192 speeds.. ( and though I understand that they have developed a special type of fiber for OC-768, we are talking about speeds that even Los Alamos lab would have difficulty utilizing ) but when you consider that OC-48 is 2.48 Gbps let's just leave it as Fiber's growth potential is phenomenal.
6. Lastly and arguably the least objective point is that Cablevision has ruined NY Sports between the Knicks and Rangers... they don't deserve to be supported anymore. | |
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JackMeowoff
@comcast.net | I have cable and it's fast and not so expensive. In my area,verizon's a total joke and hasn't deployed anything. Verizon's propagands ministry is bringing bullshit to new heights. | |
| | Terikan
join:2004-10-07
Russell, KS
| distance from CO doesn't really matter that much, but I'm sure you have a dslam within range.
Have to remember, dsl is a failing technology. It's barely profitable, and requires so much more maintenance and technician workload that I'm sure it's only a matter of time before everyone gives up on it. | |
| bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| I Don't Really Care About 5 meg or 10 meg What I really like about FIOS is that we will be having some competition against cablevision and their monopoly. At least now it might stop the constant and high rate increases. If Cablevision has no competition in a few years we will be paying twice what we are now. Someone has to pay for their management. They lost a bundle last quarter, threw our money away on TV satelites that no one wanted, the Wiz etc. Without competition they have no incentive to manage the company and screw ups just mean more rate increases.
I will switch to the cheapest FIOS because even though I get 3 to 5 meg on OOL speed tests I hate their slow capped newsgroups and high prices. I will also switch to FIOS TV when it comes out in a year or two provided it offers about the same as Cablevision. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: I Don't Really Care About 5 meg or 10 meg Is there a website which can show me if FIOS is available in my area?
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DownLow
Nope...I Got Nothing
Premium
join:2001-04-25
Long Island
| Re: I Don't Really Care About 5 meg or 10 meg said by mrchris :Is there a website which can show me if FIOS is available in my area? »www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/ch···Home.asp
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| tranceman
join:2005-05-04
Morrisville, PA
| Verizon FiOS was installed on Wensday For 39.95 a month I now get 5 megs down and 2 megs up. This is compared to comcasts 3 meg down and 256k up for 59.00 a month. So far all the speed tests are right on the money. The install guy was great. He said verizon is getting better every week at making the install seemless. This includes giving the customer almost anything they want. I got a new 54G wireless router and usb hub. He gave me a long run of extra cat wire with the ends installed. Free battery backup!! I think Verizon is going to get better and better at this and the cable monopolies are spreading false info to prevent the mass defections. One more thing is for $10 more a month, I can boost the speed to 15 megs down and 2 up.:) | |
| | jimbo5dsl
join:2005-04-12
Wantagh, NY | Re: Verizon FiOS was installed on Wensday Save your money. Basic speed is being bumped from 5 to 15mps. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
| said by tranceman :For 39.95 a month I now get 5 megs down and 2 megs up. This is compared to comcasts 3 meg down and 256k up for 59.00 a month. So far all the speed tests are right on the money. The install guy was great. He said verizon is getting better every week at making the install seemless. This includes giving the customer almost anything they want. I got a new 54G wireless router and usb hub. He gave me a long run of extra cat wire with the ends installed. Free battery backup!! I think Verizon is going to get better and better at this and the cable monopolies are spreading false info to prevent the mass defections. One more thing is for $10 more a month, I can boost the speed to 15 megs down and 2 up.:) Hey, sounds good - how is your latency? | |
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starcaptor
join:2000-08-19
East Northport, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Finally more options... I am glad that Verizon is finally turning up the heat on CV, esp on Long Island, which, for such a relatively yuppy region of the east coast, isnt given many options for broadband. Rhythms and Northpoint both went belly up, and there isnt much DSL advertisement, and as far as I know, OOL has a vicegrip on the broadband market. Besides the almost asinine level of customer service VOL is known for, I hope that this lesser of two evils battle turns up something for all of us =)
Im one of the peeps who is like 100 feet short of getting the 3 mbps DSL, and I would be happy even with that. Had to cancel OOL due to the capping and high price. | |
| | rollinraver
join:2002-04-27
Buffalo, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Finally more options...  when was the last time that you checked your avail for 3.0? Back in late March, the distance limits were upped to 11,000 for 3.0 and 18,000 for 1.5. these are true for "east" csr's (former BA). west could be different, especially if your on frame (yuck). | |
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JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY | FiOS...CAN'T WAIT! Oh yeah baby:D, my hands are itching for FiOS! I'm waiting and celebratin!
JE | |
| | nike303
join:2003-08-28
Franklin Square, NY | Re: FiOS...CAN'T WAIT! I hope they install it around my area.
I am about 30 mins from Syosset, and live near Garden City.
But, I am still waiting for some DSL around here. | |
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townsavailable
@verizon.n
| Re: FiOS...CAN'T WAIT! Towns FIOS is available in:
Cedarhurst, East Williston, Flower Hill, Garden City, Great Neck, Great Neck Estates, Great Neck Plaza, Hempstead, Hewlett Bay Park, Hewlett Harbor, Hewlett Neck, Kensington, Kings Point, Lake Success, Massapequa, Mineola, Munsey Park, North Hempstead, North Hills, Plandome, Plandome Heights, Plandome Manor, Russell Gardens, Saddle Rock, Sands Point, Syosset, Thomason, Williston Park and Woodsburgh
Buildout continues in:
Suffolk County communities of Huntington, Huntington Bay, Poquott, Lake Grove and Smithtown, as well as the Nassau County communities of Baxter Estates, Bayville, Centre Island, Cove Neck and Lynbrook.
I've also heard rumblings of Amityville, and Franklin Square being deployed currently.
Acutal news release at:
»newscenter.verizon.com/proactive···c7c6c5cf | |
| bhorow
join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY
| Cablevision and Verizon I love reading this thread. Frankly, the battle begins when the T.V service is being offered, the battle for the internet should see both providers continue to offer the same pricing. Believe it or not there are still lots of people with Dial up service, and so both will grow in the next 6 months, i don't expect that there will be a big retention effort on cablevision's part until the T.V service is attacked.
Fios is all about the Television service and not about 5meg more of internet service. Remember with FIOS you have to replace copper wiring in your house, and people aren't willing to do that for lots of reasons. Power Outages happen more frequently on Long Island than they do in other places, and there has to be a compelling reason for Long Islanders to switch. 5Meg will not be enough to entice users. However triple plays and lower priced cable service will.
Verizon is likely to have more channels than Cablevision, and the implementation of that is the bigger threat.
Cablevision still continues to grow, with internet and phone service sales still growing as per the last report from cablevision.
Verizon will likely share the marketplace with cable providers as it does now. I really see the DISH providers as the big loosers rather than cable providers. I think it will eat into DISH sales.
Remember Cablevision still has programming and with programming that gives you power. Verizon does not. | |
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kevinbbb
@verizon.ne
| Re: Cablevision and Verizon Just an FYI when verizon installs your fiber you get a battery back up.... so if the power does go out you still have phone service for about 8 hours..... if you need more time then that your screwed but its the same for regular wire phone service in long outtages cause guess how it can run??? on battery back up ... | |
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