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Not too shabby for open source
(old news - 03:33PM Friday Apr 29 2005)
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According to the Spread Firefox website, the open-source browser crossed the 50,000,000 download mark this morning. "They said open source would never penetrate the mainstream. But you've never cared much for rules, have you? And now we're blazing a trail to 50 million downloads worldwide. As we turn open source into a household word and reassert the supremacy of simplicity, we are making waves—and starting fires."

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MikeStammer
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not quite

end users still wont know what open source is, just that they have a different browser. the average joe doesn't care!

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April 29th, @03:37PM

Re: not quite

half of those downloads are probably from re-installs, upgrading, patching.. and those fake clicks. doubt they're unique.
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Re: not quite

Yeah, if they count every time they put a new update a download. Count about 20 from me.

Now that they are "mainstream" we will see more individuals trying to take advantage of the exploits.

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True, but how many people have installed it on other people's PC's from a CD or other removeable device? I have installed it on several friends' PC's from a flash drive.
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Re: not quite

Far fewer than those who have had to download it time and time again to address FF software updates.
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Re: not quite

Big time! The damn thing still doesn't work right, and shutsdown 10x as often as IE. I hardly use it anymore...

tester5

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Re: not quite

So what is wrong with your system????
I have NEVER had a problem with Firefox....
It is my only Browser.

LinuxJunkie

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Re: not quite

I'll second that. I have yet to encounter a site that causes Firefox to hang or hard crash.

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April 29th, @05:07PM

Re: not quite

I ran across my first one the other day - the A&E TV network's Web site at »www.aetv.com/ . Funny how it crashes Firefox on my Windows XP machine but not on my Linux box...
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Re: not quite

I just clicked on it using Firefox with no problems. I don't have the latest updates for FF though so I have no idea if that's the reason. I think I found just one site so far that doesn't render properly on Firefox and it's probably because they are using FrontPage extensions or something like that (it's not a commercial site).

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Re: not quite

said by SRFireside See Profile:

I don't have the latest updates for FF though so I have no idea if that's the reason.
Congrats! Your going to be 50 mil and 1 d/l's when you do.
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said by insomniac See Profile:

I ran across my first one the other day - the A&E TV network's Web site at »www.aetv.com/ . Funny how it crashes Firefox on my Windows XP machine but not on my Linux box...
Funny thing is I just went there and No Crash, Hang or what not. And My Firefox is at 1.03, So I think It's just Your system possibly.
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Say What?? Shut down. My firefox would never close like the internet explorer thingy! If anything shuts down, then its internet deplorer, err internet explorer I mean.

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Re: not quite

then you must not use java or surf....

I use both and if I want a crash, just surf multiple pages running java in tabs...
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Hi, like FF alot, but had one problem with it. Wanted to download 2 MP3 shows with FF. Where you would normally right click "save target as", I could only download the name of the file or the url.

So, had dust off my old IE, did the same thing and was able to download the entire file. This happened on another site with success using IE, but was unable to download using FF. Am probably missing info w/r and need to learn more. Anyway, I put the IE back in its box and haven't had a problem yet.

Have a good day.

pkarlos_76

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Re: not quite

said by munsonburger See Profile:

Hi, like FF alot, but had one problem with it. Wanted to download 2 MP3 shows with FF. Where you would normally right click "save target as", I could only download the name of the file or the url.

So, had dust off my old IE, did the same thing and was able to download the entire file. This happened on another site with success using IE, but was unable to download using FF. Am probably missing info w/r and need to learn more. Anyway, I put the IE back in its box and haven't had a problem yet.

Have a good day.
This is actually a problem with the website code anot not firefox. Just so you know!

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said by oliphant See Profile:

Far fewer than those who have had to download it time and time again to address FF software updates.
Oh... please .... and you don't have to update IE ... lol.
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Re: not quite

does ie post download statistics?
because THAT is what we are talking about.

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You update IE.Firefox doesn't update you have to uninstall and reinstall a new version of Firefox. Big Difference.

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Re: not quite

said by toddbs98 See Profile:

You update IE.Firefox doesn't update you have to uninstall and reinstall a new version of Firefox. Big Difference.
Either way you look at it, IE (windows update) patches are still bigger to download then the 11MB download of FF.....
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FF auto-update to v1.03 worked fine for me. No Un-install required.

Heard others report the update option worked, thought I'd give it a try.

Backed up my profile to be safe, hit the software update button in options and bing ! ....all extensions, settings & tweaks are intact.


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Re: not quite

said by Xorro See Profile:

FF auto-update to v1.03 worked fine for me. No Un-install required.

Heard others report the update option worked, thought I'd give it a try.
I haven't read from people that it didn't work.... Of course, people who don't use something often spout off old claims as if they're still the case...

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Re: not quite

Like BSODs?

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Re: not quite

said by oliphant See Profile:

Like BSODs?
Yeah, BSOD's don't happen to me anymore, what I get now is just a locked up console and no reason for it at all ...

Well that or the "I'd like to report the SSN of your first born!" window.

Personally I liked BSOD's better.
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said by DaDogs See Profile:

said by oliphant See Profile:

Far fewer than those who have had to download it time and time again to address FF software updates.
Oh... please .... and you don't have to update IE ... lol.
I'm sorry, yet again you seem to not be able to read posts before replying to them. Where did I mention IE in my post again?
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April 29th, @04:13PM

Most of those downloads are just people trying to get the number up!
I'd be surprised if there were a Real half million users!!
Funny, people sit around downloading something all the time, over & over &...
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Re: not quite

RIGHT!!!!!!

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said by Bobb See Profile:

Most of those downloads are just people trying to get the number up!
Geez, with a statement like that, you imply that your statement is FACT when it's nothing more than your opinion. How 'bout choosing your wording a bit more accurately ?

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Re: not quite

said by Hall See Profile:

said by Bobb See Profile:

Most of those downloads are just people trying to get the number up!
Geez, with a statement like that, you imply that your statement is FACT when it's nothing more than your opinion. How 'bout choosing your wording a bit more accurately ?
Well there obviously isn't Remotely close to fifty million users!
And I think it's obvious to most that the number is artificial!
Pretty funny really, this type of thing has been going on for a long time to make things look better or more used/accepted. This isn't like a revelation or something, old news...
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Re: not quite

said by Bobb See Profile:

said by Hall See Profile:

said by Bobb See Profile:

Most of those downloads are just people trying to get the number up!
Geez, with a statement like that, you imply that your statement is FACT when it's nothing more than your opinion. How 'bout choosing your wording a bit more accurately ?
Well there obviously isn't Remotely close to fifty million users!
And I think it's obvious to most that the number is artificial!
Pretty funny really, this type of thing has been going on for a long time to make things look better or more used/accepted. This isn't like a revelation or something, old news...
I don't need a number to tell me FF is better than alternative browsers. Sure, 50 million sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the end of the day it's a great browser that can only get better.
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Re: not quite

said by Phil See Profile:

I don't need a number to tell me FF is better than alternative browsers. Sure, 50 million sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the end of the day it's a great browser that can only get better.

Aye, better than that, my mom is 72 and she loves it. I installed it last fall during one of the rounds of IE Phishing exploits that we are NOT talking about in this thread.



Microsoft screwed the pooch and the door got left open to the IE corral, now all the little doggies that stayed in the pen are whining and crying 'cause there are people smart enough to look elsewhere when they discover their browser is a POS ...

Whatever, I'd say that I've DL'd maybe thirty copies of FF myself. Probably four or five are dupes or reinstalls, the rest were legit installs on real systems for people who were sick of IE and willing to try something different. Not a single one of them has complained.

If Grandma likes it, it's probably ok. What I didn't tell you was Grandma was a keypunch operator on a Univac in the late 50's. Grandma is kinda picky about the quality of her software.


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Re: not quite

said by DaDogs See Profile:

said by Phil See Profile:

I don't need a number to tell me FF is better than alternative browsers. Sure, 50 million sounds a bit unrealistic, but at the end of the day it's a great browser that can only get better.

Aye, better than that, my mom is 72 and she loves it. I installed it last fall during one of the rounds of IE Phishing exploits that we are NOT talking about in this thread.



Microsoft screwed the pooch and the door got left open to the IE corral, now all the little doggies that stayed in the pen are whining and crying 'cause there are people smart enough to look elsewhere when they discover their browser is a POS ...

Whatever, I'd say that I've DL'd maybe thirty copies of FF myself. Probably four or five are dupes or reinstalls, the rest were legit installs on real systems for people who were sick of IE and willing to try something different. Not a single one of them has complained.

If Grandma likes it, it's probably ok. What I didn't tell you was Grandma was a keypunch operator on a Univac in the late 50's. Grandma is kinda picky about the quality of her software.


Well, my only gripe is that some websites are designed improperly so they don't work properly. For example, just last week a buddy of mine came over and he needed to access a real-state site and of course I told him to use FF after he searched, but could find no IE link/icon. It turns out FF doesn't display the fly out menus properly. I know it's not FFs fault, but how can I recommend something doesn't work some of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid FF fan.
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Re: not quite

It is funny how many web sites are written to display correctly in only one browser. Usually that browser is IE,
even if IE is bugged and the code is written to take that bug into consideration.

I don't know enough about the correct rendering of HTML/XML/VRML to tell you which browser most closely sticks with the standards.

What I can tell you is that I have about same problems with IE and FF, but I feel that FF is more secure generally. So I run FF 98% of the time and I run IE when I have to run IE. Some sites just won't work with anything else, but they are usually sites that were built with Front Page.
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said by DaDogs See Profile:

It is funny how many web sites are written to display correctly in only one browser. Usually that browser is IE,
even if IE is bugged and the code is written to take that bug into consideration.

I don't know enough about the correct rendering of HTML/XML/VRML to tell you which browser most closely sticks with the standards.

What I can tell you is that I have about same problems with IE and FF, but I feel that FF is more secure generally. So I run FF 98% of the time and I run IE when I have to run IE. Some sites just won't work with anything else, but they are usually sites that were built with Front Page.
You know, it would be interesting to see a list of sites that only work properly in IE. I wonder if anyone has compiled such a list?
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Count method ??

How do they count downloads ?? Do I count as "1" or "2" downloads if I download FF at home and at work ?? Of course, they count "2", but "users" is more meaningful.

Also, I download v1.0 twice (home and work), v1.01 twice, v1.02 twice, and v1.0.3 twice. They're counting that as "8"... Again, "users" has more value, IMO. What they need to do is register in some manner, of course many paranoid people will not do this for some unknown fear.

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Re: Count method ??

When was the last time the counter was reset?
Do they take into account the amount of re-downloads, upgrades, patches...ect?

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Re: Count method ??


People dont want to register because it is a pain in the ass to do on every website and, frankly, many sites ask for info that is none of their business. Point here is that, if there have been 50 million downloads, likely 10 million or so are unique, which is still a good penetration.

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From mozilla.org, via /. :

quote:
We're not counting downloads served by the Firefox update system. Neither are we counting the millions of downloads from download.com (they actually host Firefox as well) or from other download repositories. We're also not counting people who go directly to FTP without going through our "bouncer" tool (the app that directs you to the most appropriate mirror). There's lots we're not counting here. It's not meant to be a count of users. It's just a measure of how many people use our system to download Firefox.


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Re: Count method ??

said by Minvaren See Profile:

From mozilla.org, via /. :

quote:
We're not counting downloads served by the Firefox update system. Neither are we counting the millions of downloads from download.com (they actually host Firefox as well) or from other download repositories. We're also not counting people who go directly to FTP without going through our "bouncer" tool (the app that directs you to the most appropriate mirror). There's lots we're not counting here. It's not meant to be a count of users. It's just a measure of how many people use our system to download Firefox.

Amen! Always got bored people with nothing better to do that split hairs. I really don't care how many downloads there have been. I run FF almost exclusively. I'm glad it's available!
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Avant

ehhh i use avant... everyone has their preference, what ever, its not like its 50,000,000 unique downloads right?
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Whoever wrote that quote that was pulled for the article summary needs to work on his skills. I nearly vomited reading that drivel.
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No joke! Talk about your verbal ipecac
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said by Vig See Profile:

Whoever wrote that quote that was pulled for the article summary needs to work on his skills. I nearly vomited reading that drivel.
When I read it I was thinking the same thing... Of course the next thought was how that person would make a perfect politician.

He certainly said a lot of words but really didn't say a lot content-wise.
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Not too shabby for open source

even if 50,000,000 downloads doesn't = 50,000,000 users its still impressive
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Re: Not too shabby for open source

i just downloaded firefox and counter went up to 51 million.

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Re: Not too shabby for open source

Wouldn't that be 50,000,001?

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Re: Not too shabby for open source

You don't know how many times he downloaded it.

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too many downloads

up until today I have personally download 6-7 times for patches, home and office.
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edit:
April 29th, @03:49PM

Yawn...more whoring of FF

Count me in on that list of those who after hearing of new features downloaded, installed, tried it, was hardly impressed and ultimately uninstalled it...more than once. I also wonder if they are counting all of those times they find bugs and vulnerabilities and rather than simply releasing a patch you have to download and install a full edition again...and again...and again....and again...for every desktop you run that fadware on.

FF is WAY overrated, in no small way because sites like DSLR whore it 24-7 as being the Next Coming when FF isn't even breathing hard yet.

Now I'm sure all the FF fanboys will jumping for joy at this non-news item. The rest of us will simply yawn and move on to the next non-news item. Perhaps another article about FIOS installers (or not, depending on if the Ed actually bothers to read the news article before running to post it) cutting another water pipe.
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Re: Yawn...more whoring of FF

said by oliphant See Profile:

Count me in on that list of those who after hearing of new features downloaded, installed, tried it, was hardly impressed and ultimately uninstalled it...more than once.
I make that twenty seven people to date, according to my handy dandy crystal ball. It is just like your crystal ball but without the Microsoft bias.

said by oliphant See Profile:

I also wonder if they are counting all of those times they find bugs and vulnerabilities and rather than simply releasing a patch you have to download and install a full edition again...and again...and again....and again...for every desktop you run that fadware on.
Decidedly unlike Microsoft which simply sits on a vulnerabity for six months before rolling it into a 150 MByte download patch that can't be done over dialup.

said by oliphant See Profile:

FF is WAY overrated, in no small way because sites like DSLR whore it 24-7 as being the Next Coming when FF isn't even breathing hard yet.
Unlike IE which has the weight of Microsoft Corporation and the fact that it is "an integral part of the OS" driving it's adoption.

said by oliphant See Profile:

Now I'm sure all the FF fanboys will jumping for joy at this non-news item.
Personally I don't care whether it is at five million, fifty million or 500 million, it is so superior to IE in all respects that I will run it until Microsoft gets done playing catchup.

said by oliphant See Profile:

The rest of us will simply yawn and move on to the next non-news item.
OMG! All twenty seven of you!? Think about it like this, eight tits, DSLR is sort of a mecca for Geek types. There are thousands of techies who frequent this site everyday. How many of them are in here puking all over this bit of interesting news today? You and four or five others, the rest of the world is doing what CERT has suggested. Don't run MSIE till Microsoft gets things cleaned up somewhat. That was last year. Check out what is listed for IE on the CERT website today. Hardly a day goes by that we don't see a new exploit against IE.

said by oliphant See Profile:

Perhaps another article about FIOS installers (or not, depending on if the Ed actually bothers to read the news article before running to post it) cutting another water pipe.
Naw, hell, next we are going to post some news about how Bill Gates is really a woman in drag.

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Re: Yawn...more whoring of FF

I'm sorry, who brought up Microsoft? It certainly wasn't me. Perhaps you fadware fanboys should actually READ posts before replying to them.
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One issue with this

I am glad to see that so many people are using a great browser but the numbers are inflated. I have downloaded firefox 20-30 times just this year. I ussually pull the nightly builds every few days to see what is new. Plus they have had multiple releases which my guess would be 5 or more this year.
Now to me this means at most 10million people might be using firefox.

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Re: One issue with this

you'd have to also count the people who downloaded it to try it out, but didn't like it and uninstalled.