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Cleveland, OH
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Edmonton, AB | Re: How convenient making a donation defeats the whole purpose of such website, imho. | |
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kywirelessgu
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Nicholasville, KY
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Yet another Torrent website has closed under entertainment industry pressure
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Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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Yet another Torrent website has closed under entertainment industry pressure
and 3 new ones just opened. How true. It really doesn't matter, since new P2P protocols/tracker sites appear almost daily.
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alg
Just a shot away
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join:2001-04-10
Houston, TX
clubs: | Legality ever decided? I never used TVTorrent, but I assume it catered to tv show torrents. Has the legality of distributing TV shows on torrents (as opposed to movies) been determined yet?
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join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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·Comcast
| Re: Legality ever decided? A good example of a legal use in place today is the Blizzard Downloader, for World of Warcraft patches, trailers, and other crap.
Of course what the site in the news was doing isn't legal, but that's an example for how torrents have legal uses. | |
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Woot?
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join:2002-12-23
Chicago, IL
clubs: | www.kedora.net
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join:2003-10-08
Fountain Hills, AZ
| as to a legal purpose, one can download the OCE version of Xandros 3.0 (a Linux distro) from a BitTorrent site. Or you can pay $10 to download the distro from Xandros directly.
I ended up paying the $10 because I had no idea how to find a reasonable (ie, trojan/worm/spyware free) version of a Windows bittorrent client.
Xandros includes a bittorrent client/server in their distro. I've never set it up because I had no idea how I could BitTorrent (or other websites) could find me. I would have only served up the Xandros ISO image that you can legally download for free. | |
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX
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| Re: Legality ever decided? said by wifi4milez :As a general rule of thumb the shadier things that people do ALWAYS attract sumbag criminals. This is why you will find spyware, viruses, and worse associated with all p2p applications and portals. The same applies to pr0n sites. If you are visiting a site that you would'nt feel comfortable telling your mother or a cop about, then chances are something bad is lurking there. Blanket generalization and a logical fallacy. Not every
p2p related nor adult site has viruses, spyware etc.
associated with it. I don't about pr0n as I'm not into
that sort of thing, but p2p apps without spyware include
WinMX, Limewire (current versions, those below 4.0 were
bundled with spyware), and Shareaza.
But if you go looking for risky file types on such
networks, you could get more than you bargained for.
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| Re: Legality ever decided? said by Doctor Four :I don't about pr0n as I'm not into that sort of thing Oh yeah. We all believe that. | |
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Spore Cloud
I H8 Computers
join:2001-09-09
Burleson, TX
| I honostly dont even know of a torrent client that HAS spyware/adware in it. The 3 that ive used, Bittorrent, Bittornado and ABC torrent sure the hell dont have it.
Im sorry to say that I think these days of *ware have made many internet users paranoid and xenophobic. Yes things are bad but if you just learn about such things rather than totally avoiding them youll learn something new and find great ways to do/get what you need. | |
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join:2002-07-18
Kalamazoo, MI
| said by BullroarerT :...I had no idea how to find a reasonable (ie, trojan/worm/spyware free) version of a Windows bittorrent client. »azureus.sourceforge.net/index.php
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Hamilton, ON
| said by glycolized :said by BullroarerT :...I had no idea how to find a reasonable (ie, trojan/worm/spyware free) version of a Windows bittorrent client. » azureus.sourceforge.net/index.phpThe best. Torrentflux is the best. Azureus is java based and because of that is very slow and harder on resources than is necessary. | |
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@dsl-w.verizon
| Re: Legality ever decided? That's a very common misconception.
You are not using Azureus well. You need to completely uninstall all your previous versions of Java and install the latest.
Azureus has never failed me nor the majority of people that have given it a good try. It always finishes at the top in the favorite client polls, and that's not a coincidence - it's the best, period. When downloading a popular torrent, check out the peer details page if you client has one, you'll see that about 50% are using Azureus, and no other client comes close.
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON
| Re: Legality ever decided? I have two high end systems with the latest version of Java. In both Windows and Linux, Azureus has been slower than its alternatives. Java programs are slow. Or maybe my Software Design professor is mistaken, and just needs to update his version of Java. Right. It's slow because it needs the interpretation program to accompany it, it will never be as fast as a real compiled binary.
Perhaps most users of Azureus don't think it's slow or a resource hog because they haven't tried an alternative that runs effortlessly. | |
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| Re: Legality ever decided? Java programs are slow. Or maybe my Software Design professor is mistaken, and just needs to update his version of Java. Right. It's slow because it needs the interpretation program to accompany it, it will never be as fast as a real compiled binary. If your Software Design professor made the blanket statement that Java will always be slower than natively compiled binaries, then he is dead wrong. Java can also be compiled to native code, anyway. My guess is that you're misrepresenting him.
Either way, almost all of the popular torrent clients are written in bytecode-compiled, interpreted languages. The original client and its derivatives (including BitTornado) are written in Python. TorrentFlux is written in PHP. And since this is an I/O bound application, a natively-compiled torrent application isn't going to buy you much. Java programs can be slow, but you're making a series of incorrect generalizations. | |
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osme
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON
| Re: Legality ever decided? Torrentflux ends up faster though, because it doesn't have the laggy gui to deal with. Running the original python client is quite efficient, and one php page generation every 60 seconds when I have the browser open is nothing compared to Azureus' resource usage.
On second thought, my statement about java was a bit of a blanket statement and probably isn't exactly what the prof said. Java is generally slower, though it can be compiled to binary, but is still usually inefficient for large applications. Azureus' creators likely only used Java for OS portability, not for a performance advantage. | |
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join:2002-05-25
Dallas, GA
| Illegal as in going to prison for 5 years ?
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Illegal in the get caught-get sued fashion?
Frankly, and i say this not having easy access to broadband atm, I have never downloaded anything closely resembling Illegal via torrents. Mine have all been expanded game content, game mods, game patches, and the various distro where downloading via a throttled http/ftp link would take all afternoon. | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
·Verizon FIOS
| said by wifi4milez :Yes. It is very illegal and I personally have no issue with all these torrent sites being taken down. I would estimate that probably 95%+ of what happens on them is illegal, and I shed no tears for those who feel otherwise. I have never once used a torrent, however if I find myself using one for a legitimate purpose I will retract my statement. I am aware that they can be used to download legal material, but lets get serious here, that is NOT what's going on. It's funny to me though.
It's illegal to download the song, but free to listen to it on the radio, and simply recording it from the radio.
It's illegal to download a torrent of a TV show episode, but I can simply record same on my VCR or TiVo box, or even simply record it directly on my PC if I had a TV tuner card of some type.
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stet
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join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| Re: Legality ever decided? It's all about distribution rights. The radio and TV broadcasters have paid for distribution rights while someone uploading on a P2P network hasn't.
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join:2002-10-22
Fairfax, VA
| Re: Legality ever decided? It's all about distribution rights. The radio and TV broadcasters have paid for distribution rights while someone uploading on a P2P network hasn't.
FYI, cable TV started out as just grabbing what was on the air and shoving it onto wires. No fees payed to local TV stations. TV stations didn't start clamoring for money from CableTV companies until decades later. I'm not sure if they even get money from them now. | |
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Aggie Dan
Stop... Reverse That.
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
clubs: | The reasons I use bittorrent...
Scenario 1 :
Wife : "Babe, did you record 'Gilmore Girls' for me?"
Me : "Crap. No. But, I'll get a copy so you can watch it later."
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Legality? Hmm..
Ok,
I get HDTV here were I live. It's an OVER AIR BROADCAST. However, my friend who lives 40 miles outside the city, well, he can't get an over air broadcast of the exact same show, instead he's forced to watch regular 4x3 format.
I record the show on my computer, and burn it to a DVD, and ship it to him.
Is that illegal? ABSOLUTELY NOT. It's use of the PUBLIC AIRWAVES. There is NOTHING ILLEGAL about redistribution of a PUBLIC RESOURCE. PERIOD.
If if was HBO/SHOWTIME/ETC or a premium channel, then yes, maybe it could be infringement. You cannot infringe by redistributing PUBLIC AIRWAVES.
The TV stations are given those frequencies at the governments discretions. As part of that, they are required to show xx hours of public service announcements, provide those public alerts tests, etc. Guess what. It's FREE AIRWAVES. What I do with it is not up to the corporation or YOU to decide. It's up to me.
God I hate those suckups NAZI SUPPORTERS who declare that a public resource is owned by the corporations. They are the same gestapho supporters who think that NOAA should not be able to provide access to weather data (see slashdot), and think that jews should need to wear badges to prevent 'illegal loan activities'.
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Brianv5
Low Level Functionary
Premium
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Keyser, WV |  Man, I loved that site!
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Karride
Slower Traffic Keep Right
Premium
join:2000-04-17
Germantown, TN | Re: Man, I loved that site! *cough*www.the-realworld.de*cough*
Mods: remove if linking to this here isn't kosher, I don't think its violating any rules but I could be wrong, in which case I apologize. | |
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Premium
join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON
| Re: Man, I loved that site! said by Karride :*cough*www.the-realworld.de*cough* Mods: remove if linking to this here isn't kosher, I don't think its violating any rules but I could be wrong, in which case I apologize. Wtf? They don't give the episode numbers. Crap site. | |
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join:2005-05-17
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| thanks for the link, any other good sites that are still up*sigh* they come and go so fast, the thing i liked about tvtorrents was that they told you when the next episode was coming out, and as for the guy who is doing nothing but being a jerk, dude you've NEVER used torrents, so frankly how are you entitled to an opinion in any way, see i don't get tv PERIOD, so the only way i CAN watch my shows is to download them, i also use them to download all my updates for all my programs, and i also use them to transfer files between me and my various friends, so why don't you do us all a favor and stop paying your internet bill... | |
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GlenQuagmire
Giggidy Giggidy Giggidy Goo
Premium
join:2004-02-16
Grand Rapids, MI
| said by Brianv5 :That sucks. That was one of my main torrent sites. Now I'm stuck with tvorrents.com which is down so much it's not worth it. Try Torrent Reactor. Lots of tv torrents | |
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join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR | www.btefnet.net
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Premium
join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ
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| i used this site quite a few times, like when i missed some shows on tv really nice collection sad to c it go
ohwell another 1 down 3 more up:D
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join:2001-11-26
Nepean, ON | That was how I got my RSS feed :( Anyone know of any other good sites with RSS streams with good tv torrent content? I'm going to miss my azereus/RSS tivo clone, if I can't find one ...
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| Torrents I download tv shows all the time and I'm a cable subscriber up the ying yang.
It saves me the trouble of setting the PVR, editing out the commercials, and compressing to Nero Digital...someone else has done all that already.
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swiftymc
join:2004-02-15
Mansfield Center, CT
| One Down..1...2...3...4...million to go. Shutting down any torrent or file sharing sites or networks is a complete waste of money and time...
Most places that get shut down and charged...wont be able to pay the money even with donations that might be receieved.
For every one torrent site/p2p network or anything of its kind...5 more open up in its place.
By shutting sites like these down...these places in charge of the suits are only causing more trouble then they fix.
This whole situation is ridiculous and jus outta control...period.
Like sharing the newest episode of "Pimp My Ride" is gonna destroy someones career. | |
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As-Salamu Alaykum
Premium
join:2000-07-24
Mentor, OH
| Re: One Down..1...2...3...4...million to go. said by swiftymc :Like sharing the newest episode of "Pimp My Ride" is gonna destroy someones career. If anything it may help it.
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join:2004-02-15
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| Re: One Down..1...2...3...4...million to go. said by Digital :said by swiftymc :Like sharing the newest episode of "Pimp My Ride" is gonna destroy someones career. If anything it may help it. Exactly...why are these people complaining over free promotion when things like Music sales have been reported to have gone up since p2p hit the mainstream. | |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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join:2001-09-16
99999
| Sucks I used TVTorrents because a lot of times I would miss a show, like say Southpark or Robot Chicken, and that would be the only way to see it. I could see if like HBO, Showtime, etc started suing because their shows are a premium, but its stupid when a regular show is deemed illegal to download.
Oh well, 1 dies, 20 more are born.
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MuDvAyNe
Premium
join:2002-03-02
Brooklyn, NY
·Vonage
| ha So when I miss regular tv shows like The Simpsons and Arrested Development I shouldn't be allowed to download them? It's on basic tv... either way I am still shelling out money to buy them when they appear on DVD. The only problem is I would have to wait like 3+ years for season 16 of the simpsons to probably even make it onto dvd. (IF dvd's are still the main source) They release like 2 seasons a year..
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| Re: ha said by MuDvAyNe :So when I miss regular tv shows like The Simpsons and Arrested Development I shouldn't be allowed to download them? Simple and legal solution: buy a VCR. Or better yet, a TiVo.
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Re: ha said by stet :Simple and legal solution: buy a VCR. Or better yet, a TiVo. - Assumes one is in the market for content they watch (I'm not) - Assumes one owns a TV (I don't & never have) - Assumes some form of connectivity for that TV (can't buy it here). On demand packet distribution is where it's all going. The more users who push the issue the faster we'll get there. The only english-language content producing + network that has even half a clue is the BBC. More power to 'em. | |
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join:2001-11-26
Nepean, ON | VCR's are so out of date, a lot of people don't own them anymore. Tivo isn't in Canada yet... if it was I'd own one.
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON
| Re: ha said by nodeg :VCR's are so out of date, a lot of people don't own them anymore. Tivo isn't in Canada yet... if it was I'd own one. Get one off Ebay. Or get a TV card and set up a MythTV box. | |
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Roundboy
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join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA
| why ? How can they legally shut these sites down? They host no content? They are mearly a search engine of sorts.
you would have to close down google, yahoo, etc
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join:2005-01-28
Scarsdale, NY | Re: why ? Well they can legally take them to court/threaten to, and the sites can't pay for lawyers or don't want to waste money on lawyers. | |
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hardflip
Mindfield
Premium
join:2002-02-28
Andover, MA
| Why Can't This Be Legal? Why don't the networks preempt these sites by offering their shows for download? They could advertise on the site (maybe a mandatory commercial before you download, like other free sites) and leave the commercial in the video. I've seen .avi where you couldn't skip ahead, they could do that.
Many people would like to catch shows, but for one reason or another may miss them. And may not have had the foresight to set a dvr (or own one) Offer your own source, people prefer to go the legal route (as opposed to torrent sites). It would be a great source of revenue and market research (maybe catch a few promising shows that slip below the nielson radar). They could even use bittorrent to save on bandwidth (oh the irony).
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join:2004-08-16
Dollard-Des-Ormeaux, QC
| Re: Why Can't This Be Legal? I downloaded from tvtorrents whenever I missed a show or couldn't catch a show up in Canada. I'll give a few good examples. South Park season 9. Bill Maher's Real Time. Punkd. Showtime's Family business. First of all they're still airing season 7 or 8 of south park. Bill Maher's HBO show isn't even available in Canada yet,only on HBO. Punkd is a 2-3 weeks behind its usa MTV counterpart in airing the show. Family Business is still airing repeats of season 2 while Season 3 has already been up for a while in the usa. I don't think I should be punished for poor services brought on by the television providers here and I should be able to watch these shows if I feel like it. The quality of these shows via the internet is decent but not great and if the television providers don't do anything to offer me these shows on my television when they're supposed to air then that's their fault not mine. I pay for these channels and shows anyways through my satelitte provider so if I miss a show I should be able to get it somehow either through PVR or through the internet. If the providers themselves don't like it or the show's creators don't like it then they should get off their asses and provide a decent solution instead of wasting their time suing people. They should offer shows or movies online to people that don't get those shows or channels and offer free services to those that already can show proof of a subscription through a tv provider or network. Music services woke up with legal options like itunes or napster and they have been quite successful. To tell me you can't do the same for television is crazy and I don't want to hear the lame excuse of bandwidth issues. We should be at the point where legal services for television and movies are already out there instead of lame excuses by the entertainment industry. | |
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ukgutted
@ntl.com
| eventualy spose it had to happen eventually, just dident expect it to be so soon,
come on its only tv theyre still gonna get their money.
i used that site daily for my rss bt's,
i cancelled my cable cos i could d/l 
30£a month is a rip off u get days of crap for minutes of good stuff.
now where do i get the shows that arent broadcast in the uk??? (legally),
arseholes.
efnet and usenet i spose (illegally i know) but i never could get the efnet rss to work
ok im drunk but sooo pissed of right now, why do these sites always buckle so quick if they dont host the files and its not illegal for them?
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@drugstore.com | Where am I? I seem to be missing more and more. It must be my idiot brain finally dying of hatred and bigotry
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join:2002-01-09
| Re: Where am I? I think it is so retarded to go after torrent sites that post stuff people didn't have the VHS to record earlier. When I had evening classes and couldn't watch Smallville or Alias, TVtorrents and a few other sites were there for me. They weren't spreading entire CDs or DVD movies around, just recorded TV shows. Yes, it's a deviant act, but networks aren't losing money, because chances are, if you like a show enough to download it, you'll catcht he rerun the next time you see it on the tube. | |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
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| BT TV Whats the difference if i record it on my vcr/dvr or get it from a friend or 1000 on Bittorrent?
IMHO, none at all. All your doing is trading one medium (lets say a vcr) for another (a bittorrent download) and what about, as stated above, HDTV version not being avail in your area (or you are too poor to afford the highly over priced HD tv's)?
These TV rips are publicly broadcast and available to anyone with a TV or VCR and now (or used to be), a Bittorent client.
Blah, stupid money grubbing, corp greed mongers is all they are.
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join:2003-06-19
East Elmhurst, NY
| Some people are rich... others live outside of Manhattan. OK well I was compelled to post (I hardly do but often read posts). look I live in Queens, NY. Ever since 9/11 we've had horrible !!!HORRIBLE!!! over the air tv reception. during few weeks after the attacks we had 1 ! ONE! channel, channel 2 (CBS) cause they use the Empire State's broadcasting tower (or so I understand it to be). today without the twin tower's broadcast antenna channels have had to improvise Installing them selves outside of Manhattan. Reception is still not good for many channels like NBC and FOX (at least were I live I still get interference). and because of the bad reception TIVO is out of the picture... so I download the West Wing, Arrested Development and other shows... Cable costs a fortune here. personally I can't afford to pay $60 and it'd be ridiculous to pay basic cable just to get over the air stations.
My point is SOME people have actually good reasons to download shows through BT. Why characterise everyone who uses BT to watch shows(movies are different, there is no good excuse) as malicious and criminals? A majority of these are off air HDTV captures. Not Ripped DVDs.
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join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA | A bit late but from what I hear the reason wasn't that the site was illegal per say...it was that the site actively organized "seeders" to help distribute the file faster. | |
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join:2005-02-12
canada
| The Closeing Of A torrent Site Well when a torrent site closes it upsets me. I personaly put programs I build on them for download. I also put songs i write on the torrent sites. When Napster closed I had my songs on there for download, when I tryed to get them it said it was a copy right vilation, (Bullshit), They were my songs. The music industry took my material off the net, Who gave them the right to do that, It wasn't me. When Loki close I had songs on there and Games that I made, and they forced them to close, There was nothing illegal about downloading those files. I pay for cable and i pay extra for comedy central, So if I miss a episode of Southpark I go download it, Not that the Tv site is closed I cant download it, That sux. And just because I download a tv show doesn't meen I'll cancell my cabel. Oh well, On to finding a new TV site, and being po'd at the man for closeing sites. | |
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join:2001-10-04
De Queen, AR
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| recording sports shows In re-guards to the comments about recording and giving a friend a copy of a sports program from tv. There is nothing illegal about it. If you listen close to what they say it is illegal to record and RE-BROADCAST. It is not illegal to share it with family and or friends even if it is in the hundreds. | |
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join:2004-07-22
Maple Park, IL
| Torrents Okay... People. Tv torrents are legal hell you can record tv from tivo dvr and vcr. why not put it for others to watch i mean whats the harm its not like your stealing anything, but time away from your self to watch it. If you think its wrong form mpaa standards then look up how many users use there broadband legally. you will get a 12% on that and 88% illegally.
today's computer age is how to reverse engineer everything and cracking so we all dont have too pay. we pay enough why pay more? why spend 150$ for office 2003? when i can take 2 hours download it install it and use it at your own will? i support torrents warez ftps and p2p. Mpaa can eat me and what i have on my pc and for sites closing down ... Supernova.org now mininova.org and tv.torrents.tv and lokitorrents.com Farewell Welcome biger and better ones | |
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| Re: Torrents The reasons why tv torrents are considered illegal (by the tv channels).
The #1 issue is - *commercials are edited out.*
Big corporations pay the big $$$ to insert commercials into the television shows. They basically cover the production & airing of the shows. Torrent rips remove the commercials - not good for corporations that paid the tv channel to have them put in. Corporations then lose out on business from torrent watchers not seeing the advertisements.
The #2 issue: Cable & Satellite companies lose out on profits/business. People avoid getting cable tv (or go for lesser package) because torrents available. Also, cable companies have a pay agreement worked out with the tv channels to air their channel (ie: cable company pays tv channel for letting them include that channel in the cable company's lineup). (Not sure if tv channel loses on profits, because the deal might be per user or a fixed cost).
Issue #1 is easily solved (leave the commericals in). I admit that I like torrents with commercials removed because it is more enjoyable viewing.
Issue #2. Would require a charge or fee for downloading tv torrents (paid to the tv channel) (for downloading cable based shows).
If both of these issues can be resolved then tv torrents would be legal to download. It is mostly #1 that tv channels are concerned about. #2 is somewhat a problem too (& may affect profits of the tv channel). | |
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| | migafre
join:2003-06-19
East Elmhurst, NY
| Re: Torrents this entire issue about commercials not being included in torrents is a misnomer. The fact of the matter companies are raising hell because people have stopped paying attention to commercials. Period. With the era of VHS, and today Tivo and PVR, people have stopped watching them. That's why you see shows like ABC's Extreme Home Makeover are 1h commercials (has anyone watched that lately? there's got to be 10-20 commercials in it w/ Sears and others). Companies are trying to integrate their products into shows. Hell! Companies creat shows around their products like BMW Films (although they are very well done and enjoyable). There's always been a resistance to new techniques of distribution of information. Does anyone think we'd be moving toward over the air DTV if the FCC didn't impose it on channels and tv manufacturers | |
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| | golgotha100
join:2004-04-16
Cincinnati, OH
| As to Issue #1:
Commercials should be left in "bootlegged" tv shows.
1. commercials serve a useful purpose.
They inform the viewer about new products on the market, often in an interested or creative way. Most people are annoyed by commercials because most commercials don't apply to them, yet they are forced to watch them anyway.
With Tivo, I find that I don't skip commercials entirely. I do skip commercials that are irrelevant to ME. Tampon commercials don't apply to me. Car commercials sometimes do. Dell commercials are sometimes funny. Douche is not.
I think you can see my point. It's not that commercials are not wanted. It the mandatory auditing of irrelevant material, which is simply a waste of the viewers time, that makes them seem so lame.
2. It would appease the corporations who paid for the show's production to leave the commercials in.
I think the legal entities would be less aggravated if their commercials were being distributed as freely as the shows were. The only reason these TV shows exist is to push advertisements. Take away the ads, and the whole structure falls apart.
3. Personally, I would not mind a few extra megs on the file for commercials.
Just cut them out of the middle, and put them all at the end. Then, if you are interested, you can look at them when the show is over. You are not forced into watching them, but the option is there.
I think this would go a long way to appease the Corporations who paid for the show's production. | |
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ProductBoycott
@desy.de
| The first time you see a commercial, it may amuse you and inform you about the product out there. But most commercial are not amusing, many don't apply to you and after seeing them over and over again, maybe 100's of times, it is pretty obvious that inform and amuse is not their purpose but to brainwash you.
Torrents, TiVO and other commercial avoiding techniques are so popular because they make normal tv unwatchable.
A suggestion for you people out there: rather than being brainwashed by see the same annoying comemercial over and over again, instead boycott the products pedalled by these irritating commercials. If enough people do this, and commercials have the opposite effect to their intended purpose, tv could become watchable again. NB: I am not advocating banning all commercials, we just don't need to see the same ones so damn often.
Unfortunately the advertizing and tv companies know that most of the population are too stupid to follow this advice and can be brainwashed into buying just about anything buy bombarding them with constant commercials. Oh well. | |
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