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Atlanta, GA | AOL: The Leader in Idiot Behavior for Idiots Yeah, for someone that needs to pay a premium for VoIP and doesn't mind also paying to be Spammed. LOL
I wonder what the quality of the phone calls are like with all those pop-ups? | |
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askmrauto
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1 edit | Re: AOL: The Leader in Idiot Behavior for Idiots I've said it before and I'll say it again, everything AOL touches turns into a f!@#$d up wet dream!!! | |
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| AOL VoIP for the AOL mentality Gosh...I followed the link in the above article, and the page told me to open up my AOL software and go to a certain keyword. Great. Guess what, AOL? I don't have any AOL software. I'm not sure I'd run it, even if you DID have it for Linux. Fine. Play around in your own little proprietary world. I'm sure you'll make tons of cash. But you could probably make a lot more if you just followed standards like everybody else.
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | Re: AOL VoIP for the AOL mentality You must be AOL-bundled to use the Pop-Up VoIP service.  | |
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rchandra
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| Re: AOL VoIP for the AOL mentality Yeah, I was just reading that over at Voxilla. Geesh...not only do I have to pay them $30-40 for their VoIP service, I also have to pay them for their Internet access. Great deal, eh?  | |
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ropeguru
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oroper
Patriots Rule
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Beverly, MA
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Matt
Quitting Caffeine - Argh
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Jamestown, NC
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| WHAT?!?! I am paying for a service and I am STILL subject to ads? Not only plain ads, but fricking POP-UP ads?
Good lord. Anything to make a buck.
Thank god the BBr staff doesn't follow that rule. Why more people won't follow this site's example on privacy and ads is beyond me. | |
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floppyidea
@optonline.net
| Re: WHAT?!?! That idea will flop faster than a 5.25" floppy!
Well, its coming for a company that bills one of the highest voip rates in the country (Time Warner) at $40-45 so they think $30-40 with ads and spam is a good idea?!?!?!
They have been smoking some of that RIAA/MPAA stuff for way too long!!! | |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | If you are a BSFA customer and want to use the WebMail portal you are also subject to ads. Its the new ISP doctrine of renaming you Ben Dover. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| said by Matt  :I am paying for a service and I am STILL subject to ads? Not only plain ads, but fricking POP-UP ads? Removing pop-ups would be someting unnatural for AOL. Their regular paid ISP service is also full of pop-ups. I never understood why people put up with that at a premium price... | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
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Well, give them credit. You CAN stop all the popups, etc in the marketing section of the AOL clients preferences. and, there are 3rd party applications, such as ad buster that sit and auto close the myriad ads on their pages.
Hell, what do you expect? AOL is part of the largest and greediest media conglomerate around and if there's one thing we know about corporations like this, they believe that people actually want advertisements all over every page, jumping, jittering, sliding, hopping, blinking, flashing (You notice that you cant just simply turn flash player off...).....
AOL makes it's money off of Joe and Jane box of rocks, who, considering their proven stupidity, will likely go for this latest offering too. Myself? I'll just stay with my BASIC, no frills/gadgetry/"Features" SBC land line for now. It's private, unlikely to be hacked, gives me utter security when talking to someone and, costs me about the same.
I was under the impression that VOIP was supposed to cost LESS, yet, from what I see, it costs aproximately THE SAME as a regular landline with taxes. I dont get it, myself. Why bother? ESPECIALLY when you have to buy and expensuive "Handset" and hope it works properly on your connection.
One more shining example of something hyped as the coming of electronic nirvana, only to have some corporation insert itself in between and start hogging down monthly payments.
If all you guys are so clever, WHY cant someone come up with VOIP that doesn't require a middleman with his hand out? Now THAT would be something to crow about.
For that matter, why not a P2P application that networks by itself with other clients and doesn't require some group with "INC" in their names behind it to act as a lawsuit rod?
So much for real innovation. In the end, like allways, no matter what the "GURU's" say, money talks and the suckers pay. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Re: WHAT?!?! said by Fatal Vector:
I was under the impression that VOIP was supposed to cost LESS, yet, from what I see, it costs aproximately THE SAME as a regular landline with taxes. I dont get it, myself. Why bother? ESPECIALLY when you have to buy and expensuive "Handset" and hope it works properly on your connection. There are versions of VoIP from other providers that actually save money depending on your call patterns. Most providers have deals that provide the equipment at discounted or free after rebate.
If all you guys are so clever, WHY cant someone come up with VOIP that doesn't require a middleman with his hand out? Now THAT would be something to crow about. What negative attitude. Do a basic research... AOL and Cable company provided VoIP are not the only ones Competion is actually hot in this market. Check the VOIP forum, VOIP reviews and Voxilla.com has a comparison of popular VoIP providers. | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
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Depending on your call patterns? SBC gives me unlimited local, and I have a 1+ provider that gives me LD for 3c a minute. Of course, I can use my cell from anywhere on the network to anywhere in the country (I may as well get value for the $30 I pay a month.
Deals, shmeals. You still end up paying about the same per month. Forgive me, but I remember when VOIP was promoted as free phone service over the internet. Of course, I never believed that crap for a minute. I knew from experience that some way to make you pay would be the reality. I see I was right.
And, how is it "negitive attitude" to ask why someone cant come up with VOIP that doesn't require a middleman with his hand out? Well? Why cant you? Or, should I ask: Why wont you? Doubtlessly because there is no profit to be made or gain to it. Money talks and altruism walks. Perhaps there is competition in the VOIP market, however, the point is, you still have to pay for it. And as I asked in another post, what happens the next time there's a widespread power failure? My SBC line will continue to work like it did the last time, while my cell didn't. And neither will your fancy VOIP, because you wont be able to sign on to use it, or, your handset wont have power, or...you get the idea, I'm sure. I still fail to see why I should bother giving up dependable phone service just to save a buck or two. It's the same thing as going 80 mph on the interstate to get an extra 10 miles out of each hour. Big deal. | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
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join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Re: WHAT?!?! said by Fatal Vector:
Deals, shmeals. You still end up paying about the same per month. Forgive me, but I remember when VOIP was promoted as free phone service over the internet. Of course, I never believed that crap for a minute. I knew from experience that some way to make you pay would be the reality. I see I was right. Nobody is forcing you into this. It may very well be that this is not for you. Still, a lot of people are finding out that they are saving over the conventional telco especially when you take into account that PSTN providers load your account with non-fees decreasing the so called value of your deal. The calling between subscribers of the same VoIP plan is often free. A lot of the unlimited calling plans include Canada and even some European countries. Plus, you get all those caller id, call waiting, voice mail etc. free when you have to pay for for these for your PSTN. Heck, SBC is even charging for touch tone dialing...
Please note that these are VoIP services that connect to PSTN at some point. If you still want to do VoIP to VoIP there exist free alternatives. You can look at Skype and FreeWorldDialUp. FreeWorldDialup can either be used via a SoftPhone on the PC or you can get your own ATA to use a regular phone. There are pure VoIP services...
Doubtlessly because there is no profit to be made or gain to it. You are simply wrong. Do some research. LOL you AOL guys are a captive audience in a walled garden. You do not check outside often...
Money talks and altruism walks. Perhaps there is competition in the VOIP market, however, the point is, you still have to pay for it. If you want pure voip there is providers. If you want PSTN access (inbound or outbound) there is a charge for it. It is the cost of doing business but that cost is lower than regular PSTN phone you have. Obviously, money talks but less money is required to talk 
And as I asked in another post, what happens the next time there's a widespread power failure? My SBC line will continue to work like it did the last time, while my cell didn't. And neither will your fancy VOIP, because you wont be able to sign on to use it, or, your handset wont have power, or...you get the idea, I'm sure. I still fail to see why I should bother giving up dependable phone service just to save a buck or two. It is not perfect. Considering a lot of houses have only cordless phone which does not work at power failure this is probably not an issue.
BTW, my networking stuff is on a UPS. With the little power requirements I can get a 8-12 hrs of non-interrupted service during that time.
Still you can even save if you just get an outbound only VoIP provider (in particular if you call Internationally). Check out TelAIX.com for example. You can keep your PSTN line but you do not have to have a 1 and 011 provider connected to it.
Now, can you take your landline in Texas and move it to California on a trip? With VoIP you can. And people can still call you at the same number. There are ups and downs as well.
Open your mind. It may not work out for you but it does for a lot of people. But I agree the AOL/Time Warner variant of the VoIP service is unlikely to save anything to anybody. It is a bad product. | |
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join:2001-02-02
Grand Rapids, MI | Always Of Line's voip What do you expect from "Always Of Line". They are all about Ad's a.k.a. SPAM!!!! | |
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mrherzog
join:2001-05-06
Coquitlam, BC
| Pop ups fro VoIP I don't understand how a phone service gets pop-ups? Is this only for when you log into a web site for the service?.....other than "only AOL users doing such a thing in the first place" I don't get it....or did I just answer my own question?
I guess I just don't understand people who use AOL in the first place.....then again I don't understand why people would buy a DELL either, but that's another topic. | |
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lupinia
Premium
join:2004-08-24
Harrisonburg, VA
| Re: Pop ups fro VoIP The service is integrated into the AOL software, and gives you ads while monitoring your calls. For example, when someone calls in, or when you dial a number, it'll ask if you want to add the person to your address book, flag for callback, things like that. It's a very nice concept, one that I'd like to see replicated in other VOIP providers, but the proliferation of ads is dooming this AOL service from the start. | |
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JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
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join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY |  Liars!
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askmrauto
Spam Fighter
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Liars! Seems like idiots flock together, HA | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com | Re: Liars!
See? What did I tell you above about suckers? Dont you worry, the ads will come eventually. It's standard AOL and you know they love you-For your monthly payment. | |
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
| Re: AOL?
Actually, there are many people on AOL that have formed online friendships and continue to use AOL for that reason. The difference being that when you have a broadband connection, you only pay 9.95 a month (IF you know how to get that rate, of course), just like you might for the content of any other for pay subscription site for it's content. Once you dont have them as your ISP, life is better. For that matter, AOL's mail, though proprietary, does have excellent controls available, such as allowed lists and blocked lists, not to mention you get 7 of them and they are easy to change.
Besides, the AOL chats, filled with stupes as they are, are highly entertaining because of that very fact. If one is so inclined, one can get maximum entertainment for his internet dollar. After all, 9.95/month is only the price of 1 movie ticket, yet the entertainment lasts the whole month long.
As much as one might have a dislike for AOL, it DOES serve a need and the smart ones leave it-at least as their ISP-as soon as an alternitive is available. The others-Joe and Jane box o rocks-stay because it serves their needs and they simply dont care. | |
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upidstay
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Fatal Vector
@aol.com
| Re: AOL VOIP
Then you'll be wishing for your old, reliable landline. Just wait till the next huge power outage like the one in the east a while back. SBC's linse never failed, but your fancy, over priced VOIP will, as will-likely-your cell phone. what then, pilgrim? | |
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JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Mis info from a web site.. said by alexintexas : ok I'm not in anyway defending AOL, but other websites that post mis information is what gets on my NERVES. POPUPS on the callWays service,,,where do they get this from? as you can see i have none. At that you don't even need aol software to access the callWays logs you can see it threw IE also on the pricing yet on the high side but the same as the local cable co. but YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A AOL ISP SUBSCRIBER TO GET THERE CallWays service here it is » media.timewarner.com/media/newme···55254366 Like I said, poeple with the service should be the ones reviweing it. Not those who wish to spread rumors about something they do not know about, and most likely never will.
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askmrauto
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San Antonio, TX | Re: Mis info from a web site.. I Not Gonna Be A Brain Dead AOL'er Like You | |
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georgepan
| FatalVector - fatal math errors Either you work for a POTS Bell or are behind the moon, techenology-wise. For a typical MaBell line you pay as much just in TAXES and FEES as you are for the entire VOIP bill.
For instance, my payment to Sunrocket's service is $16.58 per month. No taxes or "excise" fees, no setup fee, no shipping cost, no cancellation fee. Unlimited local, unlimited long distance, plus 100 free minutes to Western Europe (a $3.00 value reducing my monthly cost even more.) 2 individual phone numbers with two separate voice mail boxes. Many advanced features. A similar Verizon line cost me between $75.00 and $85.00 per month, making my yearly savings about $800.00. To boot, they throw in a 3 Uniden phone cordless phone system and offer a rewards program ($25.00 for every person who signs upon my recommendation.)
THAT is "paying the same as landline"? Not even in your wildest dreams. | |
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AOL?
who still uses this trash? My guess its for people that still that need there hand held to surf the web... I dont feel sorry for them! You get what you pay for. My opinion is that it went out with webtv. Guess people dont like change or moving on to bigger and better things.
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