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US Broadband Industry, Are You Listening?
Our top ten industry gripes: Number 3
(old news - 07:57PM Tuesday Apr 05 2005)
tags: business · Op/Ed
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We've been counting down what we believe to be the top ten problems that beset the United States broadband industry, one issue at a time.

Gripe Number Three: Join the battle against malware.

Take at least some responsibility for helping new users stay safe from malware and spyware. Allocate 1% of profits on providing free or discounted anti-malware tools, education, literature with the monthly bills, reminders and even non-invasive monitoring designed to help customers maintain their own security and privacy.

Ensure, via simple egress filters, that outbound traffic is legitimate, rather than fake.

Support the war others are already fighting, or stand by counting profits while broadband connected PCs attain a reputation for privacy black-holes and enabling criminal enterprises.

It seems that some telcos have no problems with the idea of filtering, limiting and blocking when it comes time to reduce competition with their own services - how about applying some of that technology (and budget) to end-user security.

Previously in this series:
#10 : Get out of the slow lane!
#9 : Stop hiding additional fees
#8 : Improved plans are not just for new customers
#7 : Treat technical support more seriously
#6 : Stop trying to kill the messengers
#5 : Fix it right the first time
#4 : Stop the anti-muni broadband campaigns

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dslextreme
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Hasn't Microsoft already done that?

It's freee! »www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta···ylang=en

While you're at it. Why doesn't BBR invest some money in some better pre-Qual tools for the visitors of this site.

If I had $1 for every instance where your site told a prospective client that they qualified for service and the telco database said they didn't I would be a rich man.

Obviously the telco database is correct.

Maxo
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Re: Hasn't Microsoft already done that?

dslreports offers all sorts of tools and tips to help it's user base. And does so not for profit. A big difference over ISPs who are making millions for profit off it's customers and are giving them less information and tools. Apples and oranges in my opinion. dslreport's tools are not perfect but overall they are great. I can tell you from experience their CO finder is not at all up to date with lit COs, but at least you can find your CO and get a nice estimate.
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dslextreme
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Re: Hasn't Microsoft already done that?

Oh? This site makes plenty of money from the google ads they serve up.

Duo Maxwell
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join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI

The dumbasses at SBC/Ameritech kept telling me I couldn't get DSL here when the girl downstairs used to have it from them and an SBC lineman that I asked said 7 other ppl in 2 blocks of me have their DSL and that he could put me on a que for DSL installation... 2 months passed and not even a call from em' so I told em' where to shove it and switched to TDS Metrocom and they got me setup in a week.
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Gainesville, GA

This has to be the most boring and useless series of opinions to ever make it to the front page. I am amazed someone actually approved all of them to be posted one after one.

-5000 to the editor.

I took 7, i can't take all 10. Space filling at its worst.

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quote:
If I had $1 for every instance where your site told a prospective client that they qualified for service and the telco database said they didn't I would be a rich man.
Funny because I would think the opposite would be equally true (and equally problematic), particularly in SBC areas. For instance, BBR says DSL is a no-go at my address, yet I qualify for 6mbps service. BBR doesn't know about SBC RTs, and there are lots of them out there. I've mentioned this gripe a few times in the BBR suggestions forums. Ultimately BBR needs access to the telco databases. Justin has mentioned in the past that he's attempted to work something out with SBC but it's still not there.
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said by dslextreme See Profile:

Obviously the telco database is correct.
You sure about that? I know of people who are told they can't get DSL at such-and-such a location (House, APT, etc) while the CURRENT occupant at that location or in Apt nearby for example ALREADY HAS IT.
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Phoenix__1

join:2003-07-17
Holyoke, MA

Agreed

I think they should help promote customer awareness and maybe take some steps in providing info and way to keep users clean. In the end, the user will have the final choice in doing what is right or not, but at least they had a chance to learn about what is out there.
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thender2
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Staten Island, NY

This is #3? Hah!

Educating customers is above increasing speeds?

This is like saying giving classes on how to use and set up DVD players with quality receivers and hi-fis is more important than making a quality receiver or a hi-fi.

This is above good tech support, this is above no additional fees, this is above fixing things immediately, this is above providing newer plans to new customers?
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Re: This is #3? Hah!

Given the problems of bot-networks, spam relays, and viruses spreading themselves- all from broadband-connected computers with oblivious owners- I'm going to have to say yes, this is more important than higher speeds. The others- well, I think so, but of course opinions will vary.
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zoom314
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Re: This is #3? Hah!

said by Rogue Wolf See Profile:

Given the problems of bot-networks, spam relays, and viruses spreading themselves- all from broadband-connected computers with oblivious owners- I'm going to have to say yes, this is more important than higher speeds. The others- well, I think so, but of course opinions will vary.
I have to agree with You Rogue Wolf, Speed is nice, But oblivious users don't make good neighbors, At least not until They clean up their act. It's either that or Boot them off the Net until they clean up their act and update their PC(s) properly.
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clickwir

join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA

Actually when they first started this they said it was going to be a reverse order.

So the first one they posted about was speed. They labeled it #10, most people would say it's #1... whatever it's just a label. So they actually ranked more speed as the highest.

RTFA.

fegul
Premium
join:2004-08-23
united state

They've started

Comcast offers a security center-type program that has a firewall, and spyware scan and removal (not sure how well it works) but at least they have something.
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Fatal Vector

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Re: They've started


Myself, I like to run stand alone programs. The problem with such "Suite" programs is that they try to do everything, but to everything poorly. Kind of the same analogy as bundling services.

The main problem, overall, with the Internet, as some have stated here, is the oblivious Joe/Jane box of rocks who are the major users of it. People here tend to think in a different fashion because they are knowledgeable and tend to assume that all should be. This is not and never has been the case. Not everyone is as smart as you are, nor do they need 5 Mb/second or more speed. They have a hard enough time dealing with Johnny and/or Jean box of rocks and paying the bills and being "upstanding" societally indoctrinated citizens. All they want to do is press the power button and click, like their ISP told them they could.

There will allways be something to piss and moan about that you dont like on the internet. Myself, I've found it to be true, allways to do ones own research and buy services individually. Doing so ALLWAYS saves me money. Just like my stand alone programs, which may not be the bleeding edge "upgraded", newest thing, Still keep me safe and happy on the net. I find that many of the old programs, like firewalls, were pretty much bullet proof and provide good protection today-and arent targeted by spyware.

needforspeed59
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Glendale, AZ


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Cox has free software

Found on the Cox site.. »phoenix.cox.net/cci/promotions/c···il=false
Cox has free firewall, anti virus, anti spyware and pop up blocker.
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Fatal Vector

@aol.com

Re: Cox has free software


Yes, depend on your ISP's Suite program-Soon to be targeted by spyware and Virii. Go team!

But then, I suppose it's better than nothing for Joe and Jane box of rocks...
ced06

join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA

Blocking at ISP level...

Blocking can be done at the ISP level, correct? I'm sure no tears would be shed over, say, blocking doubleclick.net. If someone is so inclined to want ads, they can request them to be unblocked for their IP.

A computer is using incredible amouts of bandwidth due to a trojan? Shut their account down. If they want back on the network, they have to have the trojan/virus/whatever removed.

Tzale
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Sweden

WRONG

This ain't there business, you're wrong BBR.
ced06

join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA

Re: WRONG

It is when you have 10 ignorant customers maxing out their bandwidth for days on end, effectively killing the speed for anyone else.

zoom314
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Yermo, CA

Re: WRONG

said by ced06 See Profile:

It is when you have 10 ignorant customers maxing out their bandwidth for days on end, effectively killing the speed for anyone else.
Or even hundreds for that matter....

Now that's a scary thought...
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RadioDoc
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Cheap shot

"It seems that some telcos have no problems with the idea of filtering, limiting and blocking when it comes time to reduce competition with their own services - how about applying some of that technology (and budget) to end-user security."

Way to blow your own credibility out the window.

If you'd do a bit of research, you'll see that most of the major ISPs are in fact offering exactly what you are whining about for free or at a nominal cost, and actually are filtering highly abused ports. Earthlink, Comcast, and (gasp!) even SBC/Yahoo!, among others, provide exactly the tools you seek.

And you have no evidence that any major ISP has blocked ports just to stifle competition. Get real.

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA

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Re: Cheap shot

Way to go RadioDoc!
Old habits die hard on DSLR.
BTW Add AOL to that list.(cringe!)
Edit:
Even Verizon (shudder!) offers MSN Premium with all kinds of security goodies for free.

ArchAngel21x
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I was scratching my head on that comment too. It seems like all ISPs are advertising security stuff with a subscription to their services now.
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AtomicZero

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ouch...truth hurts
Newegg
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.

I don't agree with this one and I would put this one at 10 not 3.
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quatrix
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Davie, FL


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No way

ISPs should stay out of the software business completely. That would include lowering our broadband bills instead of wasting money developing portals (usually with content that's available for free elsewhere) and branded web browsers. Internet Service Providers should provide Internet service, and that's all, hence the name.

sNaKeYeZ
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Re: No way

I agree with quatrix See Profile. An ISP would never send you freeware or complete versions of software. If it's one thing I hate, it's getting that "bundle" of darn shareware apps on a CD that your ISP insists you install for their service to work.

Also, it sucks for an ISP to "give" a new user a wonderful, well known anti-virus or anti-spyware/malware app that only has like a 30 day update subscription. A big portion of the computers I've worked on that had viruses and spyware had some type of anti-virus or anti-spyware app installed. It just hadn't been updated in years was the problem. The users of which claimed they didn't know they had to update anything.

Education with persistent information is key.

Maybe I'm just old.
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jporter07

join:2004-03-22
Mobile, AL
But they are adding VALUE to a commodity!!! /sarcasm

one_bored_si

join:2003-03-10
Montebello, CA

Number Three ?

I don't believe car dealers are obliged to provide driving lessons. Real lack of creativity on #3. Should have been port throttling or free dial up included with BB account.

needforspeed59
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join:2001-05-02
Glendale, AZ

Re: Number Three ?

Well, the car dealers don't own the road and are not responsible for it. The ISP's own their networks and need to keep it clean. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, there are a lot of folks on the Internet that go about their surfing oblivious to the dangers.
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2kmaro
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But other entities (state highway patrol or troopers or whatever other name they go by) do test and license drivers, thus the presumption on the car salesperson is that the end user is 'trained' to properly and safely operate it.

We don't have that with all that much visibility in the internet world. Oddly, say what you will about AOL and its customers, they seem to have the most impact these days in getting the word out to the general public that there are some apparently nasty things called viruses or trojans that need to be dealt with somehow.

I've been a Cox HSI customer for some years - got on board when it was @Home, and in all those years I've never been offered any free security tool from them. I notice someone mentions earlier that Cox does make them available - but it appears to me that they aren't getting that word out, along with the importance of using such tools, to all their customers. Maybe us "old hands" are presumed to have gotten smart about it?

Someone else said/asked if this is more important than speed? Yes and no? If you get enough bots operating hard enough then nobody gets anywhere fast at all. Need an example: how about the slowdows this site experienced just a few short weeks ago, mostly due to 0wn3d machines being driven to DDoS BBR. This speaks to a need to educate customers at every opportunity.

[edit] - Verified availability of security and privacy tools from Cox. All in a package from Authentium from Cox Member services. First I've heard of this, sure might have been nice to know before dropping the $$ I have on anti-virus, anti-spam and firewalls out of my own pocket .

Maybe this goes to that earlier issue: keeping 'upgrades' to the services quiet to old users, while using them as selling points for getting new ones?

Oh - before I forget: a little note on the page says the tools are only available for Windoes. Mac and Linux users are still on their own. I realized there's a bigger need in the Windows world, and providing those tools for them is a big step, but it's not the whole 9 yards?

some guy

@milwwi.ameritech

Are they listening?

nope

and why would they? they make billions leaving things just the way they are

JacksGhost
Got Bottle?

join:2002-12-29
Buffalo, NY

Port25/smtp

"Ensure, via simple egress filters, that outbound traffic is legitimate, rather than fake. "

Splendid. Very noble comment. At the present, ISP's spend time educating customers port25 no longer goes to just any SMTP server they want.. IE: Customer now complaines of less ' competition' and that their isp is blocking them...

gwion
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Pittsburgh, PA

TELCOS filter?

Actually, Verizon only drops 135 and 80, in some areas. I'm not aware of any widespread use of filtering by the telcos, though I might be wrong. Are you sure you don't mean cablecos? I think a straw poll or brief analysis would show that they're far more aggressive in defining what users can do on their connections than DSL providers... most of who seem to provide wide open internet connections without any limitation on monthly usage or services that may be used. By the way, I've verified my own IP with nMap, and those are the only two ports appearing dropped on the network, last I checked, not long ago. Verizon does prohibit SMTP relaying, if memory serves, and definitely requires SMTP authentication, a measure I wish were universal among ISP's...

I'm not sure I really would like to see any widespread blocking, aside from the windows networking and WinRPC ports, frankly. Those ports, in my eyes, usually have less than no business being open to the internet, ever, anywhere But for those who really can't be educated, perhaps the better idea is an "online service," like AOL or MSN, that could offer "on the network firewalling". For users who just won't take a hint, and are spreading things like typhoid Mary, I would suggest, perhaps, that the ISP's might contact them and order their plague ships into port for disinfection... by telling them that they MUST offline the system and clean it up, and, if they fail to comply, take them offline and not restore connectevity until they demonstrate that they've taken steps to disinfect the systems.

I figure we pay for the use of every service not prohibited by the ToS and AUP of our providers... and limiting the usability and extensibility of the internet isn't a great idea, even for security - people have to take at least a minimal degree of responsibility. They need help, no doubt, in many cases. But they can, as I remarked, use some sort of enhanced "service" if they're responsible people who just don't have the time or savvy to "geek it out" for themselves, and they have my support and concern. If they're just plain irresponsible people who understand but don't care, I'm quite sorry, but they have roughly "zero" sympathy, from me...

just a few random thoughts... and I will toss this in. Painting a smiley face on the internet and providing no support or advice to make users aware of the threat IS irresponsible. A car manufacturer may not be responsible for how fast you drive or how much you drink, but he really should tell you that the pedel to the right is the accelerator, and the one to the left is the brake, and "R" doesn't stand for "run forward." He gives you a manual that (usually) has some rather basic stuff in it... like how to signal a turn, and other purely safety related information... most ISP's don't like telling people there are risks out there, it seems, perhaps from fear that they'll scare away new users... but it's better to scare them than leave them in a spectacular, flaming ten car pileup along the information superhighway, isn't it?
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My List

1. Prices { SBC is doing ok in this area but we want naked DSL, no landline crap !!!! }
2. Upload Speed {{{ MORE...much more }}}
3. Download Speed {{{ 10 Megabits tomorrow, ADSL, VDSL or Fiber }}}
4. Install fiber NOW......DON'T WAIT !!!!!
5. Tech support that listens and stop reading that stupid script like a monkey. We want tech people not robots.

6. No more last mile monopolies, no company should own the last mile it is a conflict of interest.

nowaytaco

@rr.com

I disagree.

Gripe #3 should be thrown out. It is not the responsibility of the ISP deal with malware caused by unscrupulous marketers and programmers. These are issues to be resolved by the government.

2kmaro
Think
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Re: I disagree.

Lord help us. Let's keep the government out of this as much as possible other than passing laws to bust the chops of the malware creators and distributors.

I've always pretty much agreed that it is the end user's responsibility to secure a machine, but the end user needs to be aware of that need. Some people jumping on the bandwagon are simply clueless. That's why I'm appreciative of the AOL ads: they help educate. In the case of providers that do make the tools available, I applaud them because it gives those clueless folks a place to go and get a reputable product and gives them a place to get support to properly set up and use them.
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO

No way

1% of profits is a ridiculously high number. I know, the city of St Louis takes 1% of my paycheck every month. It adds up to big numbers in a hurry. Asking any business to give up 1% of its profits is crazy, unless you can convince them that it's a short term loss and a long term investment, ultimately resulting in more profits.

ImNotAtHome

@york.com

There is no number 3 :)

I don't believe that this is something for ISP's to deal with. It's up to me to block doubleclick.net if I want, which I do. Who can define what I want to have access to? That's my job. Simply thinking that this is even a possible way to stop the malware problem is wrong at the most basic levels and would cause SPAM to rise quite a bit by default. An entirely new method of denial of service would be created, and this one could be quite easy for a novice to accomplish on a widespread scale. Ultimately, it wouldn't help to solve the problem anyway. If DNS blocking was used, malware foisters would simply redirect to another FQDN set up by another rogue registrar like .LA. If IP based blocking was used, malware foisters would simply redirect to their new IP, admins would block entire IP blocks, and webhosters who harbor malware foisters would become more plainly evident over time.

The problem with malware doesn't affect us universally. I have zero problems with malware, as do many people. Knowing this, I want to be able to access web-search.la or any other redirector or malware foister. If I can't dissect it, how will I protect myself and others from it?

The malware problem may be solved by proxied browsing in combination with inspecting packets as a firewall, or by configuring the browser to not be so easy to exploit, or some other means, but IP or DNS blocking at the ISP is way off the mark. At best, it would be a temporary fix, and the side effects of blocking would cause a lot of problems.

Vchat20
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join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
clubs:

umm. already been done. where have you been?

many isps have already done this sort of thing already and either the people here bitch and moan about it or the newbie users who really need it find a way around it.

this is a really shitty #3 if i ever saw it.

CS_Buddy
Black Mage
Premium
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Canada
clubs:

Cogeco gets the thumbs up for this one

I got a letter a few months ago from Cogeco indicating they are providing free Anti-Virus, Personal Firewall, Anti-Spam, Parental Control and Internet Dial-Up Control software from F-Secure to their High Speed Internet customers:

»www.cogeco.ca/en/security_o.html

Anti-Spyware, Cookie Control and Smart Pop-Up blocking software is "Coming Soon" according to their website. Good to see some ISPs are taking security seriously! Thumbs up for this one, Cogeco!

kim
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join:2001-03-25
S. Ontario

Re: Cogeco gets the thumbs up for this one

I've already recommended it to a few people. Has anyone tried it? I'm curious how it works.
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